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Subject: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: gnu Date: 02 Oct 09 - 03:52 PM He is in my books. An honest man who never said he wasn't perfect and never let any scum say he wasn't an honest man. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 02 Oct 09 - 04:02 PM Surely "never said he was perfect"! |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: gnu Date: 02 Oct 09 - 04:06 PM Oh my! Thanks! I messed up BIG time. Friday after work ya know! >;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: gnu Date: 02 Oct 09 - 04:14 PM For those who haven't watched the show over the many years, Dave has answered similar detractors on a number of subjects with honesty and the simple attitude of, "This is me. You have a problem? Don't watch my show." He has taken on celebrities and powerful politicians and has taken crap from none. He has called them out and called them down. And, as always, with irreverence and yet civility. And, above all, with humour. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: John MacKenzie Date: 02 Oct 09 - 04:17 PM He has abused his position, and has decided that attack is the best form of defence. JM |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: wysiwyg Date: 02 Oct 09 - 04:28 PM He apparently has declined to be blackmailed, and I like that anytime from anyone. For the rest it's too new as news for me to have an opinion yet. I have the irritating tendency to think things over and then reflect on them and then mull them a bit. ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: katlaughing Date: 02 Oct 09 - 04:44 PM It's refreshing that a highly public persona chose to be honest, esp. against blackmail which is an ugly, ugly crime. I am sure whatever else is entailed will be taken care of out of the public eye which is as it should be, imo, as long as no crime was involved which I suspect is the case. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: gnu Date: 02 Oct 09 - 05:28 PM Abused his position? The man has millions and millions of $. He could fuck one gorgeous chick after another and never run out of coin. So, if he hires a chick to help run his TV show, did he hire her to run his TV show or to fuck her? If he really wanted to fuck her, he would have offered her coin to fuck and not hired her. That would avoid the conflict of interest and the accusations of bullshit and the blackmail that come from twits that think that Dave might want to keep his son (I assume herself knows "everything") from "harm". And, that is a real hero... standing up for his son in this regard by being honest. Perhaps it's a chess game of assuming what Dave did do or will do and commenting on it? Whatever.... Dave's cool in my books. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Little Hawk Date: 02 Oct 09 - 05:33 PM Chongo's opinion of Letterman has just risen several notches... |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: topical tom Date: 02 Oct 09 - 05:42 PM I find it difficult to condemn honest as it is all too rare.It appears he handled the whole affair (no pun intended, honest!)with dispatch and appropriately.Sexual adventures? Who doesn't indulge in them , especially in the entertainment world? |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Ed T Date: 02 Oct 09 - 05:55 PM He was single, none have said they were not willing....hardly a polanski affair. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Bill Hahn//\\ Date: 02 Oct 09 - 06:31 PM Frankly---who cares!! Why does such a situation make such huge headlines? There are important stories out there (war, famine, natural disasters, huge cultural items, philanthropy, etc;) and the media (save for a few) is focused on this nonsense. The NY Times, alone of all media I believe, let the entire thing go with a paragraph in the Arts/Leisure section. Only in America, as the expression goes. In Europe it is no big deal and the proof are the shenanigans of Berlosconi, Sarcozy, et al. One good thing in all this is that Letterman foiled it and went to the DA. The strange thing is that a highly paid (I assume) CBS producer in the news division (Oh how that has fallen since the days of giants) was ALLEGEDLY so greedy. One last item---DL was not married but had been in what might be termed a common law marriage for many years and legalized it just recently. So--in effect he was partaking in adultry. As said---who cares. A side effect on all this will be if other late night comics now can use him as a joke as he has done with other famous people. That could cost him and CBS (who hold the purse strings) listeners. After all Leno appeals to Middle America and DL to the coasts. Heaven forbid Leno had hit such publicity---he would have really stuck his chin out. Could not resist that one. Bill Hahn |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: lefthanded guitar Date: 02 Oct 09 - 07:29 PM I'd been a fan for many years, saw him in person, and even now think he's got the best talk show on late night mainstream tv. Yes he's a talent, he's hip, he's smart. But Letterman lost my respect the year he started bellowing that Spitzer SHOULD RESIGN after bonkin' the babes while married. He could resign NOW as far as I'm concerned, just for the hypocrisy of his snarky, mean spirited 'humor.' Letterman in my book is a lowlife and a phony. Why respect someone like him? There's people who have worked for years to better the lives of others and don't let down their families. THe only smart thing Letterman did was get right on tv and get a head start on this story. Yeah he's been straitforward about this, and yeah he took the prescribed legal route to catch this scoundrel. But , sorry if I sound old fashioned and perhaps I'll need to dodge some flying fruit here, but I don't give him any kudos. I 'll give my respect to the likes of Capt Sully, or entertainers like Pete Seeger and Paul Newman, or for that matter, Jean Ritchie ( all of whom seem to have spent a lot of years being loyal to their loved ones, while being kind and generous to others) |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Amergin Date: 02 Oct 09 - 08:03 PM Who cares? |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: pdq Date: 02 Oct 09 - 08:06 PM I don't give money to the Narture Conservancy any more, nor do I watch Letterman. Is this... an honest man? |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Ebbie Date: 02 Oct 09 - 08:13 PM It strikes me that we - collectively - are speaking as if we know a whole lot more about it than we do. These are the states that recognize common law marriage. Note that neither Connecticut nor New York are among them. Alabama Colorado District of Columbia Georgia (if created before 1/1/97) Idaho (if created before 1/1/96) Iowa Kansas Montana New Hampshire (for inheritance purposes only) Ohio (if created before 10/10/91) Oklahoma Pennsylvania (if created before 1/1/05) Rhode Island South Carolina Texas Utah So, in my opinion, sexual activity outside the relationship can hardly be termed 'philandering'. Promiscuity is another thing- but not many of us, I would wager, would survive intact such scrutiny. "he started bellowing that Spitzer SHOULD RESIGN after bonkin' the babes while married." (Frankly, I have NEVER heard David Letterman "bellowing". You may be thinking of Rush Limbaugh.) "Low life"? A "phony?" Comedians are seldom expected to be our role models, and I see no reason why one should be. I agree that I greatly respect people like Pete Seeger and Jean Ritchie and Paul Newman, et al, But what do you want to bet that they are not perfect either? And would be the first to admit it. Perhaps you need to get a few more years under your belt. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: lefthanded guitar Date: 02 Oct 09 - 08:31 PM His words, at the top of his voice, were something like: "Hey if I were doing something like that , I wouldn't keep my job now, would I? Would you? Would you be able to do that and keep your job?" Wouldn't be surprised if an excerpt from that show surfaced on you tube. I remember that episode very well, b/c I thought he was being extreme, even for him. No, of course, I don't think he's the worst person to walk the earth- it's just the sneer on his face when he puts down others for doing the same thing he's done that irks me. He's LIVED with the woman for years, ring or no. And he has a son to think of. Yeah, he's a hypocrit and a low life, no one to exalt in my book. I feel bad for Regina. I don't care if lots of people do it, he's no one to admire. btw I can't vouch for the other two, but Jean Ritchie is as nice a person as you'd ever want to know. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Genie Date: 02 Oct 09 - 08:54 PM If Dave was dating / having sex with an adult woman who, like him, was single, since when is that an "affair?" Maybe some people use the term that way, but I wish the "news" media would quit referring to his "affairs," as though he was committing adultery. As for dating someone who worked on his staff (pun noted, not intended), yes, that can sometimes involve "sexual coercion" of a psychological nature, but not always. Much as some people would like to condemn all office romances, in reality it's often hard for people to socialize much with people except the ones they work with. "Office romances" sometimes lead to long-term commitment or marriage and other times just come and go (so to speak), but it's not necessarily coercion, even of a psychological nature. Anyway, the right wingers seem hell bent on vilifying and destroying Letterman, and I have a strong suspicion that the fuel for this fire stems mainly from the fact that he is a left-leaning public figure (or at least not a Limbaugh/Beck/Hannity clone) with a big microphone. I don't know about his relationship with Regina before they married, but that's between him and her. And I don't need to approve of his private social life to appreciate his show. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Riginslinger Date: 02 Oct 09 - 09:04 PM I never could stand him and never thought he was funny. It's nice to be proven right in the end. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Ed T Date: 02 Oct 09 - 09:21 PM And, no other entertainment figure had an affair with a staff member, while single (or in a relationship)....Child or not? Some of our big screen favourites did it with whomever they could. Whether you like him or not....it's not a factor. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Rapparee Date: 02 Oct 09 - 09:51 PM Ya gotta excuse me, but I have to ask a question and I'm serious about this: Who is David Letterman? |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: meself Date: 02 Oct 09 - 10:04 PM Some bozo who's been doing a late-night talk show - you know, mug at the camera while some starlet re-arranges her endlessly long legs - for far too long .... |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Ebbie Date: 02 Oct 09 - 10:38 PM Let he without sin cast the first stone. Somehow that seems apt. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Rapparee Date: 02 Oct 09 - 10:51 PM Okay, thanks. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Amergin Date: 02 Oct 09 - 10:52 PM He's some guy who looks like alfred e neuman.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Ebbie Date: 02 Oct 09 - 10:53 PM OK- I've looked up as many YouTube sites on the subject of Eliot Spitzer and D. Letterman as I plan to. I must say that NOT ONCE did I hear Letterman bellow. I do believe he was irate - but who can tell when it's a comedian? In EVERY case of "railing" he went on to make a joke. He did say (Not at "the top of his voice", mind you) that Spitzer is trying to negotiate his legal future in refusing to resign, in order to stay out of jail. Spitzer's case was completely and totally different from Letterman's, by the way. Spitzer hired- and took across state lines - prostitutes and was one of those malcreants who had his wife stand beside him at the microphone, something that I despise. I suspect that anyone who remembers Letterman's public reactions should not trust his memory but rather go back and see it again. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: robomatic Date: 02 Oct 09 - 11:38 PM parts is parts good for letterman |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Barry Finn Date: 03 Oct 09 - 01:43 AM Sorry, but what's makes him a hero? Has he stuck his neck out, put someone else's well being before his own, saved a life without thought to his own. A late night talk jock, what else, a millionaire beachfront landowner on the Vinyard. Maybe he's a hero in some books but until he does for others something special & significant or saves a life or soul without thought to his own person & without any gain on his own behalf then he's a far from a hero as Sam "Sunny Sam" Berkawhatshis name. Hero's are single mothers that raise their kids on they're own working 9-5, intelligent well educated folks that prefere to work with the needy at low paying jobs because they want to help make the world a better place for the less fortunate, teachers that work in the inner city or in rural run down schools when they could take jobs that offer better working conditions, students & pay. Now if you had said Paul Newman or Kathern Hepburn or any or the other high profile holywood types that go about donating time, money, resources, energy even advice that advances the good on someone maybe but DL, give me a break. Please, if he's your hero then you need a reality check or a dictionary I've seen folks in the gutter that can't do a thing for themself but survive & try to live & get by day to day that are closer to being a hero than he'll ever be! Barry |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies) Date: 03 Oct 09 - 03:23 AM Don't care about the guy and don't see the programme here in UK. Just another bloke in media having an affair - sounds all very usual. Quite intrigued that some members here distinguish between the *legal* difference of Marriage V's long term partnership in different states, to absolve him of any moral responsibility though. Kinda reminds me of Clinton's quibbling over what constitutes sex. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Riginslinger Date: 03 Oct 09 - 11:44 AM Yes, these things are usually reduced to quibbling. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Stilly River Sage Date: 03 Oct 09 - 12:11 PM Sex happens. Live with it. I've enjoyed watching Letterman over the years. I was sorry Leno and Letterman were pitted against each other because I enjoyed both of their approaches to humor. David Letterman doesn't suffer fools gladly, and when he was confronted with the thing about Sarah Palin and she made a fuss because the butt of a joke was a child he did apologize. But when Palin got really strange and left office it gave him the moral high ground when poking fun at her mendacity. A single man has sex with a consenting partner. That's not news. A desperately broke news producer who has broken up with a girlfriend who was a past partner deludes himself into thinking he can extort money from Letterman and puts it in writing and meets with Letterman and his lawyer. This is so sad and so strange--but Letterman did the right thing. And by making the announcement as he did, he owned it and diffused it. David Letterman was a C average student at Ball State in Indiana. He established a scholarship at Ball State for students with a C average, because he knows there is more to getting an education than the letter grades. As a dyslexic who suffered totally average grades as an undergraduate, I am impressed that he did this. (As a graduate student, I was able to pace myself better and get the grades one needs to stay in grad school. But I digress. . . ) The man is smart and funny. More power to him. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: katlaughing Date: 03 Oct 09 - 12:35 PM I wouldn't call him a hero, either, but it doesn't really matter to me. And, it seems he has done some good works, though he may just be a bit quieter about it than his contemporaries: Letterman expressed his philanthropic tendencies by creating a charitable organization called the American Foundation for Courtesy and Grooming. Though the name sounds like a joke, through the foundation, primarily endowed by the talk show host, Letterman has given over two million US Dollars (USD) to numerous programs supporting children's education and health. Speaking of Ball State where he went to school: The former telecommunications student has given about $20,000 a year since 1985 for scholarships to the school and makes a habit of mentioning the institution regularly on his show. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies) Date: 03 Oct 09 - 01:00 PM My own opinion is that infidelity (being the breaking of mutually agreed rules within a personal relationship) is pretty much a natural tendency in the human race. Nor do I take any issue with other people being unfaithful to their partners *unless* they happen to be big-mouthed hypocrites, like preachy politicians or vicars. Betrayal and infidelity happen all the time within personal relationships. But whether a person is *legally* recognised as "single" (dependending on what the particular laws of US state you happen to live in at the time) makes absolutely no difference whatsoever to whether or not that person was actually unfaithful to their partner. What I was commenting on (as indeed clearly stated) and most interested in, was the posters who were distinguishing between single as a *legal* construct (where that person has either a) no partner, or b) an existing long term partner who is nevertheless not recognised by law), and pragmatic *real-life* single where there is no kind of serious personal relationship with a partner), in some kind of attempt to absolve Letterman of any personal ethical error. If he was single, no big deal. If he was in a serious relationship, then he was unfaithful to his partner. Nothing very shocking or surprising in that of course, but it's still infidelity with deep personal and ethical considerations for those involved, irrespective of what constitutes the legal definitions of "single" in whatever state you happen to live. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Ebbie Date: 03 Oct 09 - 02:00 PM The thing that I suspect may come back to bite him is his graceless choice of words: "I had sex with women on the staff". I would imagine he is aware that most women don't have just sex- most tend to load it with the perception of some kind of relationship. So, to be told that what I had with him/the boss/a co-worker was just sex may rankle to a greater or lesser degree. And he is not in control of the degree that the hypothetical"I" might reach; there could be a series of resignations within the staff. And some could go public. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Alice Date: 03 Oct 09 - 02:05 PM The home for Letterman's son and mother of his son (now wife) is Montana, where common law marriage is legal (not that it matters much in this case). It's a private affair so to speak. Hopefully the women involved won't become stalked by the paparazzi. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Alice Date: 03 Oct 09 - 02:08 PM Letterman's ranch home is near Choteau, Montana. "On March 19, 2009, Letterman married his girlfriend of 23 years at the Teton County Courthouse in Choteau." |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: meself Date: 03 Oct 09 - 02:09 PM "So, to be told that what I had with him/the boss/a co-worker was just sex may rankle" Looks like this may prove to be a learning experience all 'round .... |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies) Date: 03 Oct 09 - 02:15 PM Stalked? Dunno, but I reckon (if the US is *anything* like the UK trashy press for sexual scandal in the media?) those females employees who tickled Lettermans fancy, will be lining up for full colour "exclusives" with the parps, to help pay off their mortgage.. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Alice Date: 03 Oct 09 - 02:18 PM Maybe some will, maybe they won't.... any of them could have gone to the tabloids before this. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: gnu Date: 03 Oct 09 - 02:27 PM Ahhh, I did not call him a "hero". Read the title of the thread. Barry, as far as me needing a reality check or a dictionary, I think you need to actually learn to read and copmprehend, perhaps think. I take umbridge at your misinterpretation and misuse of my words and subsequent trash talk. As for those who have branded Dave as a womanizer, an adulterer, a sexual harasser, I would like to see you provide your supporting proof of same. Having said that, I am gonna do sommat yet again it seems I have to do a lot lately in the face of inane quibbling... leave. Yet again, I say, have fun with it. Just one more thing... don't bother to twist my words anymore or state unfounded accusations after I am gone. Anybody can read the thread, analyze fact and discard fiction. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Ebbie Date: 03 Oct 09 - 02:44 PM Hey, Gary, come back. Most of us understood what you were saying. I like your take on things. For the record, I'm not a huge David Letterman fan- that seems a bit puerile, not to say juvenile. But I like him and have listened to his monologues for years. That's my habit- I tune in to Letterman's monologue and then I switch to Leno's monologue. (Used to be easier- before Leno's prime time emergence!) Conan O'Brien's monologue I listen to when either of the other two shows is pre-empted. I rarely watch more than just the monologues- it's kind of like buying Playboy for just the articles. :) But it lets me stay on top of what the commentators are saying about any given news item, and enjoy it in the process. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Alice Date: 03 Oct 09 - 03:04 PM Don't often watch the late night talk guys, but when I do, my favorite is Craig Ferguson. IMHO he's the best. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Alice Date: 03 Oct 09 - 03:09 PM VIDEO Craig Ferguson worth watching to the end, it may surprise you |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 03 Oct 09 - 03:21 PM Ho Hum. Sex with consenting adults. Their business and nobody elses. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: GUEST,Tunesmith Date: 03 Oct 09 - 04:14 PM I think Letterman is very light weight. Youtube gives viewers the opportunity to compare interviewers, and in that respect, Letterman comes a poor second to almost every other interviewer out there. But he must have something to be as successful as he is. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Ebbie Date: 03 Oct 09 - 04:21 PM Thanks for posting that, Alice. I've seen it before but it's well worth watching again. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies) Date: 03 Oct 09 - 04:31 PM "Ho Hum. Sex with consenting adults. Their business and nobody elses." Yes, I fully agree. For most perps of similar personal crumby stuff. Aaaaalthough the fact that Letterman deliberately chose decided to *Use His* own prominent place in the public media, to turn his personal story of sexual infidelity (to the mother of his child and and hiring prospective fanny) into some kind of utterly loathesome manipulative and emotive 'reality-show' style confessional, kinda totally blew that outa the water.. So because of that utterly cynical abuse of his power (dishonest), I say Fuck the creep. So he banged other women. Someone sussed him and blagged it. But please, gimme a break. The dude's a turd. But a media savvy turd... So he fucks his non-legal wife up the arse (not to mention the babes he hired), then goes "boo hoo, boo hoo" the bad man got me, on telly. Get off it! |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Ebbie Date: 03 Oct 09 - 04:40 PM Whoa. I'm glad that you're not the judge of me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies) Date: 03 Oct 09 - 04:43 PM Just so I'm clear on this, I don't think the moral judgement of the American (or any!) viewing public matter Dick - But if he decides to turn his infidelity into a big media event (as he has indeed chosen to do) he should at least publicly apologise to his long-term partner (now wife) and mother of his child. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Ebbie Date: 03 Oct 09 - 04:49 PM And how do you know that he has not apologized to her? Why should it be public? Just so we can get our vicarious jollies? As for making it into a "big media event", that is MUCH smarter than letting the would-be extortionist continue. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies) Date: 03 Oct 09 - 05:03 PM Ebbie, I'm condemning Letterman for *cynical abuse of his media power* in an attempt to absolve him off repeatedly sexually betraying his partner. As he evidently used it to gain sexual favours from female staff in the first place, and then his place in media to "colour" those sexual activities nicely in his own show in the second. Sounds kinda like a turd to me. If he hadn't chosen to involve his own position in the media to colour events, I'd never have responded. His bad. If you err wanted to 'research' some of my prior posts (I'm sure you wouldn't) you'd find I'm all for free love and open relationships. So I have no objection to anyone screwing around- just as long as everyone's cool. It does happen of course, and that's no concern to anyone else..... Unless of course, someone deliberately chooses a public existence like err Letterman.. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies) Date: 03 Oct 09 - 05:08 PM If there was no personal "agreement" (as there is with most serious couples), he could have ignored the whole biz. Or maybe quietly let it be known that he and his partner had an 'unconventional' agreement. No need for any "show", as there would be nothing to confess.. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: katlaughing Date: 03 Oct 09 - 06:48 PM CS, seems to me you are making a lot of assumptions. I agree with Ebbie, I sure wouldn't want you judging me and I have read a lot of your other postings which don't seem to jibe with what you've posted here. Alice, Craig is my FAV, too! Thanks for the link. I'd seen it before, too, and heard it on NPR when he was interviewed about a new book. Excellent piece. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Peace Date: 03 Oct 09 - 07:05 PM I fail to see why Letterman's life--he's done nothing illegal--is anyone else's business. Hell, it's not as if he lied about Iraq fer krissake. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Jeri Date: 03 Oct 09 - 07:16 PM It was going to be all over the media no matter what he did or didn't do, and being the one to control when the shit hits the fan means one knows when to duck. I've known of married guys bonking women who weren't their wives. Same goes with guys in non-marriage relationships. I don't know if they or Letterman had understandings with their partners. I don't know if the bonkee knew they didn't have a hope in hell of anything past the bonk. I don't care. Not my problem, not my business, and if I had to judge all the bonking that I know about or think I know about, I'd be a shriveled-up pucker-faced crabby old busy-body that people avoid. But seriously, about this, I DON'T CARE. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: GUEST,number 6 Date: 03 Oct 09 - 07:20 PM David Letterman is a 'talk show host' fer crissakes .... that's why it is big news ... and that's all... personally I don't give a rat's ass about all of this, and if the public wants to get all wrapped up in it , well that's their problem ... enough said biLL |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: katlaughing Date: 03 Oct 09 - 10:41 PM Jeri, LMAO! You DO have a way with words. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Donuel Date: 03 Oct 09 - 11:04 PM I don't need a public apology for a person's personal life. I don't even need to hear a person brag about their perfect record of fidelity or the exploits of one basketball player numbering over 20,000. Just because as an employer as well as a husband I have never stepped out of bounds does not mean everyone else must. But having over 20,000 partners does conjure up images of incredible time wasting, enourmous amounts of goo as well as monumental chaffing. Now if only someone could trace any of this bruhaha back to Sarah Palin makin some mavericky rogue inquiries into Letterman's sex life for cash ... now that would make it a meanigful story to me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Jeri Date: 03 Oct 09 - 11:09 PM Yeah, kat, but people mostly avoid me anyway. Probably because of my way with words. Also, I missed an opportunity to use a colon. Need more fiber in my sentences. I re-read what I wrote and something struck me:* I was only talking about guys. I can't remember the last time a woman was criticized for the same thing. It might have happened, but I don't remember. * HA! It squeaked out after all. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies) Date: 04 Oct 09 - 07:14 AM "I have read a lot of your other postings which don't seem to jibe with what you've posted here." Kat, I agree. I was in an angry mood last night, and I exorcised it ranting at nothing. I don't really give a crap about some talk show host banging other women or confessing it on telly. There you go, some straight-up honesty from me.. Can I have my hero trophy now ;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: John MacKenzie Date: 04 Oct 09 - 07:32 AM People's reactions to this seem to closely follow how they feel about Letterman. It's intersting that one's moral compass can be swung by one's perception of the parties involved. I wonder what the reactions would have been, were it Dave Bulmer confessing to bonking his staff? JM |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: katlaughing Date: 04 Oct 09 - 10:56 AM Fair enough, CS...take a bow for honesty.*bg* Jeri, you are going to make me die laughing |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 04 Oct 09 - 08:19 PM Donuel's post reminds me of a book popular in Mexico a while back. Its translated title was 20,000 virgins. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Ed T Date: 04 Oct 09 - 08:29 PM The use of the word hero in the title is puzzling. What does it take to be considered a hero? |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Beer Date: 04 Oct 09 - 08:45 PM Any of his "victims " complaining? Must have been a great ride I guess. Beer (adrien) |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Ed T Date: 04 Oct 09 - 08:58 PM Hopefully, Paul Shaffer was not one of the employees in question. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 04 Oct 09 - 09:31 PM O, they're hangin' David Letterman in the mornin'- hmmm, doesn't quite fit in place of Danny Deever. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: open mike Date: 05 Oct 09 - 12:05 AM it was NOT david letterman who threatened to make this a media campaign it was the blackmailer who used that as a threat....and Mr. L. got the upper hand by being the one who broke the story. i often enjoy his show...just wish it started before 11:30 at nite. and also wish the music guests would play more than one song and come on earlier than the last 5 minutes, and also get to be inter- viewed. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: SharonA Date: 05 Oct 09 - 02:27 PM I agree with everything Crow Sister has said here, except the part about not giving a flying squirrel, when all's said and done, about a talk show host's peccadillos. If the sex he had was a result of his sexual harrassment of his subordinates, then I think it does matter and I think that his behavior and his attempts to make light of it are abhorrent. I'm upset that Letterman's audience laughed at parts of his confession. If the scenario of a multimillionaire boss seducing the more starry-eyed members of his staff (or perhaps pressuring them into having sex with him under threat of dismissal/pay-cut/perk-cut) is considered funny in this day and age, we are not as culturally advanced -- or even as evolved -- as we'd like to think we are. I can hope that the audience laughed because someone was holding up a sign instructing them to do so but, if that's the case, then truly all we like sheep are led astray. Letterman is no hero in my book. The sooner he's off the air, the better, as far as I'm concerned. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Wesley S Date: 05 Oct 09 - 02:36 PM Sharon - I'm guessing here - but I'm sure that some members of the audience thought the whole thing was a joke of some sort. And the rest of it was more than likely nervous laughter. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: SharonA Date: 05 Oct 09 - 03:27 PM Hi, Wesley -- Yeah, that's what some commentators had said the following morning: according to them, the audience was not sure how to react, and was laughing nervously and intermittently -- at first. But when he said, "The creepy stuff [that the extortionist threatened to expose] was that I have had sex with women who work for me on the show" the audience was silent except for a gasp or two. THEN he said, "Now, my response to that is, yes, I have. I have had sex with women who work on this show." THAT is when the audience erupted in laughter and applause. Sorry, Wesley, but that was not nervous laughter or nervous applause, nor was it appreciation of a joke. That was a reward to him from his audience for his bad behavior. (And yes, I consider it to be sexual harrassment/pressure in the workplace and, therefore, bad behavior.) For my own part, I can't imagine being an audience member and laughing at or applauding what Letterman had said. If I'd been there listening to the people around me laughing and applauding, I would either have bolted from the room or thrown up right there. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: GUEST,meself Date: 05 Oct 09 - 03:37 PM Did I miss something - which is quite possible, since I haven't been following this issue with much interest - but is there any particular reason to believe that there was "sexual harrassment/pressure in the workplace"? |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Ed T Date: 05 Oct 09 - 03:55 PM O, they're hangin' David Letterman in the mornin'- Maybe he is already hung? |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Wesley S Date: 05 Oct 09 - 03:57 PM Sharon - I would blame part of that on the group dynamic. If he was sitting in a room telling two or three people he would have received an appropriate response. But fill up a whole room full of hundreds of people and your lowest common denominator can start the ball rolling - and a large share of the rest of them will follow along. There probably were people sitting on their hands. But how would we know that? |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Wesley S Date: 05 Oct 09 - 04:00 PM Also - so far we have no way of knowing how willing these women were. There are people out there that would screw a mud fence if it had the kind of money that David Letterman has. Let's hope all the involved parties were willing participants. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: katlaughing Date: 05 Oct 09 - 04:29 PM My boss was not rich. He was not older. He was married. So was I. We had one night of mad, passionate sex and never saw one another, again. (He went on to another job the next day.) I had no idea he was attracted until that evening when we went out for celebratory drinks. He seemed a strict, straight-laced Baptist to me. we were not drunk. I was not harassed. I was not threatened. Because I had an open marriage, I called my husband to let him know why I would not be home that night. I say this to give an example of a woman who did not "suffer" at the hands of her male boss, so to speak. it is possible. It is also possible that what went on with Letterman may have been in the distant past or even when he was feeling vulnerable about life after heart surgery and let nature's urge to procreate take over which it often does after someone has been through a life-threatening ordeal or witnessed death which is called the "strongest aphrodisiac.". Whatever, it's all speculation as is the rest of the judgemental stuff posted in this thread. We DON'T know and have no right to judge any parties involved. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: John MacKenzie Date: 05 Oct 09 - 04:39 PM If that means, that you can't express an opinion against Letterman, it also means you can't express one in his favour either! |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: GUEST,meself Date: 05 Oct 09 - 04:53 PM If that means, that you can't express an opinion in his favour based on events you really no nothing about, it also means you can't express one against him based on events you really no nothing about! |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: John MacKenzie Date: 05 Oct 09 - 04:59 PM Deep man, really deep ! |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Wesley S Date: 05 Oct 09 - 05:20 PM What bothers me about this : MSNBC Story ...is that the media is trying to get quotes from the parents of the woman involved. They are even calling the fathers office. That sucks. The woman is an adult and responsible for her own actions { and I'm not saying she did anything wrong }. Is there really a need to contact the parents of an adult for a reaction to the story? And will they contact David Lettermans mother for a reaction? |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: GUEST,Edthefolkie Date: 05 Oct 09 - 05:20 PM I was rather impressed by DL's fame when I saw the David Letterman store near Times Square about ten years ago. Can't see that happening in the UK. Graham Norton? Jonathan Woss? Parky? Alan Partridge? Naaaaah...... |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: robomatic Date: 05 Oct 09 - 08:26 PM I really liked the Craig Ferguson video. He expressed himself very well and it was inspirational. I think Dave Letterman has had similarly good things to say. I quite liked his first live monologue after 9-11. Dave has also made a point of giving some great but lesser publicized musicians repeat visits on his show. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Alice Date: 05 Oct 09 - 09:29 PM Letterman's heartfelt apology to his wife and staffers: Monday's mea culpa marked his first public remarks since last week's admission. "The staff here has been wonderfully supportive to me, not just through this furor, but through all the years that we've been on television. ... So, again, my thanks to the staff for, once again, putting up with something stupid I've gotten myself involved in," Letterman said, according to excerpts released Monday by production company World Wide Pants. "Now the other thing is my wife, Regina. She has been horribly hurt by my behavior, and when something happens like that, if you hurt a person and it's your responsibility, you try to fix it. And at that point, there's only two things that can happen: Either you're going to make some progress and get it fixed, or you're going to fall short and perhaps not get it fixed, so let me tell you folks, I got my work cut out for me." |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Riginslinger Date: 05 Oct 09 - 10:06 PM Letterman - The essence of slime: |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: katlaughing Date: 06 Oct 09 - 12:01 AM Wesley, I'll bet they've already tried to contact his mom. That this is even in the news, this long, esp., is so ridiculous. Most of the media who call themselves journalists wouldn't know a real story if it bit them on the ass. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: M.Ted Date: 06 Oct 09 - 01:23 AM Call me thick, but I thought that this was the issue: A senior producer/investigative journalist for CBS News used information that he collected to commit blackmail and extortion. As Americans, we are encourage to believe that a free and independent press is one of the linchpins of our Democracy, and that CBS News, founded as it was, by Saint Edward R. Murrow, is, and always has been, the most respected Broadcast News organization. As I said, you can call me thick, but it seems to me there are a lot of implications that we are not considering. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Peace Date: 06 Oct 09 - 01:50 AM "If the sex he had was a result of his sexual harrassment of his subordinates, then I think it does matter and I think that his behavior and his attempts to make light of it are abhorrent." Who said this? Does he have a harrassment charge against him? |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Barry Finn Date: 06 Oct 09 - 03:42 AM Subject: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: gnu - PM Date: 02 Oct 09 - 03:52 PM "He is in my books." He is what? If you didn't say he was a hero, what did you say? I don't know Dave L, I don't watch him or talk shows, I don't give him much more thought than I would a chipmunk crossing my yard. I do know what I read & you say he's a hero. Is a late night TV hero different than an early morning radio hero, or for that matter a mid afternoon subway platform hero? I appologize if you didn't make yourself clear & I read something into what you printed that seems be be other than what you actually meant. To me he's still not even close to hero. I care even less about his sex life but I hope his now wife takes her "golden parachute" & jumps ship Barry |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: katlaughing Date: 06 Oct 09 - 11:26 AM A senior producer/investigative journalist for CBS News used information that he collected to commit blackmail and extortion. MTed, yes, that is an issue, BUT the media are making it all about Letterman and his affair/s. THAT is what I am saying has no place in the news, at least the HIGH place it has been given. As I read it, he stole pages out of his lover's diary about her time with Letterman. IMO, some of the outrage ought to take that into account. Talk about violation unless, of course, she facilitated such. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: John MacKenzie Date: 06 Oct 09 - 12:16 PM She certainly knows how to pick her men! |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Genie Date: 06 Oct 09 - 02:40 PM Haven't followed all the lurid details of this media feeding frenzy, but it appears there may have been many different women staffers involved and that Letterman was involved with at least one of them after the birth of his son and maybe after he married Regina. If so, he -- like many other men (famous and otherwise) before him -- is a philanderer and adulterer. Not admirable in my book. But I find it interesting how the public and the media seem to almost make heroes (stars) out of some entertainers and sports figures (Wilt Chamberlain, e.g., who bragged that he had had sex with 20,000 women), readily move on and forgive such behavior in others (Rush Limbaugh, Newt Gingrich, etc.), and then want the careers of others (e.g., Letterman) to be ended for doing the same sort of thing. It often appears that the willingness to forgive - or to say "It's none of our business" - is inversely proportional to how strongly people like or support the philanderer on totally unrelated grounds (e.g., political leanings). As for the "sexual harrassment" issue, Kat, I'm glad you told that story. Surely, sometimes a sexual tryst between people of unequal statuses can have a coercive element, but not always. (And the "boss" may sometimes be the one being used - by a subordinate who hopes to get ahead by using sex.) If our society truly frowned on work place sexual liaisons, or just on those between higher-ups and subordinates, I don't think TV shows like "Grey's Anatomy," "Boston Legal," etc., and most soap operas would be so popular. Popular TV dramas and sitcoms and soaps routinely portray attending physicians hooking up with interns, doctors with nurses, law practice partners with paralegals and fledgling attorneys, etc. Seldom is such behavior portrayed as sinful or taboo in the way that, say, a hookup between a college professor and a 20-year-old student would be. I think sexual harassment laws and business policies are there to provide redress of real grievances when they exist. (And sometimes they are carried to the point of absurdity, such that one can't even compliment a coworker on how nice their outfit looks without fearing a "harassment" charge.) But it's unrealistic to assume that in ALL cases of a romance or sex between people on different levels of the corporate 'food chain' some type of coercion or undue influence was involved. As for Letterman, I hope he survives this because I would not like to see his show replaced with something like Conan's show or the new Nightline. (Of course, they could put Dave back on at the 12:30 slot and move Craig Ferguson up to 11:30?) |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: DougR Date: 06 Oct 09 - 02:59 PM Some of you folks don't appear to set very high marks for your heroes. DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: SharonA Date: 06 Oct 09 - 08:54 PM From: Peace - PM Date: 06 Oct 09 - 01:50 AM "If the sex he had was a result of his sexual harrassment of his subordinates, then I think it does matter and I think that his behavior and his attempts to make light of it are abhorrent." Who said this? Does he have a harrassment charge against him? Not to the best of my knowledge, Peace. I said "IF". |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV host From: Genie Date: 06 Oct 09 - 08:58 PM Doug, my friend, I don't confuse many actors, politicians, comedians, etc., with "heroes." And if there are some whom I do hold to be heroes, it's not because of their skill as actors, politicians, comedians, etc. OTOH, there are people whom I love and consider dear friends who have been guilty of philandering (or worse). Genie |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: katlaughing Date: 06 Oct 09 - 09:48 PM A Brief History of Presidential Love Affairs...a few "heroes." |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: gnu Date: 07 Oct 09 - 03:34 PM Right... after several PMs... here it is... Late night TV hero... poor choice. I never meant "hero" as in Ghandi or Mother Thresa or Audie Murphy or any real hero, but apparently, both Dave and I have been shat upon because... well, I just don't know why. Nor do I really give a darn. Please tell me what you would have used instead of "hero". Remember that the title must fit in the little box. Otherwise, you will be shat upon for no logical reason, by people who you don't know you, by people whom you have not offended... simply because you made a poor choice of words. Fact is, a great title would have been... Letterman Fucks over Extortionist. That actually was my first choice. But, I am sure someone would have shat on me for that. Fact is, it doesn't matter what you post these days... if you don't report "Just the facts, Mamm.", you will get shat on. Oh, BTW... for all of you posting the fact that Dave is a scumbag because you know he "cheated" on his wife, your posts to that effect are liable and, near as I know, punishable under law if you can't prove it. Further, even if he did, how the fuck did you know that anyway? gnightgnu |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: katlaughing Date: 07 Oct 09 - 03:40 PM Seems like a whole lotta shattin' goin' on, SirGnu! You may have gotten away with your original title. There are ten, count 'em, TEN threads with Fuck in their titles, one of the longest started by the late, great, and greatly missed little john cameron HERE. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero From: Genie Date: 07 Oct 09 - 05:05 PM Gnu, I'd have said "comedian" or "talk show host" or maybe "star" instead of "hero." I just don't think of entertainers (as such) as "heros." As for "Letterman Fucks Over Would-Be Extortionist," that'd be appropriate -- except that would-be extortionists deserve to be exposed, ridiculed, prosecuted, fined, embarrassed, etc. Since they deserve to be "fucked over," I wouldn't use that term (or equivalent), because it sort of connotes that they are undeserving victims. But you are so right that a lot of people have piled on, accusing Letterman of everything from adultery to sexual harrassment to perversion and comparing him to people like Roman Polanski. He hasn't even been accused, so far, of anything but being somewhat promiscuous and having workplace affairs, and we could at least wait till details warrant it before slinging all sorts of epithets. It would be nice if we could filter out all the allegations and calls for his head that are coming from people who never cared for his humor or his politics in the first place. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Barry Finn Date: 07 Oct 09 - 08:03 PM "Please tell me what you would have used instead of "hero". "Late night TV mouth" maybe? "Letterman Fucks over Extortionist" pretty good how bout "Late night Fucker, Letterman, Fucks over Extorionist"?? Anyway Gnu, had I known what you meant by your use of "Hero" I probably wouldn't have posted at all not caring two shatts about DL to begin with. You have my apologies Barry |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: gnu Date: 08 Oct 09 - 05:54 AM And you have mine. Been in a terrible mood lately and maybe I am too sensitive. Oh well... in future... maybe... |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Little Hawk Date: 08 Oct 09 - 11:49 AM This whole Letterman thing is not worth getting upset over. It's trivial. Anyway, I think he did the right thing to not let himself be blackmailed over something like this. Good judgement on his part, whether or not he has shown good judgement in his casual affaires. I bet the vast majority of married people in North America have an affaire at some time during their marriage. It's a very common thing, and it always has been. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV comedian From: Genie Date: 08 Oct 09 - 09:01 PM LH, I'm not so sure "the vast majority" of us have cheated on our spouses (or anyone we're supposed to be faithful to) -- but I'd wager one major reason for that is lack of opportunity. I wonder how many people (men, especially) remain faithful when they are in a position (by virtue of their irresistible charm, status, money, or whatever) to have a multitude of attractive, willing partners. Most of us have never been put to that test. This is not to say that all star entertainers and powerful people are habitual filanderers, but they do have more opportunity to cheat than most of us peons do. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Little Hawk Date: 08 Oct 09 - 09:14 PM Very good point, Genie. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Peace Date: 08 Oct 09 - 09:24 PM "While 20% of all married men have had extra marital affairs, close to 16% of all married women have strayed from their marriage to explore relationship beyond their partners. The married persons found to be cheating mostly fall under the 34 years age group. Often, married women are found to have extra marital affairs with men of younger age." found on the www |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Peace Date: 08 Oct 09 - 09:27 PM From another site. "Cheating and Infidelity Statistics: Are men cheating more than women? Recent studies reveal that 45-55% of married women and 50-60% of married men engage in extramarital sex at some time or another during their relationship. Do these infidelity statistics seem a bit startling? What these findings suggest is that approximately one half of all married men and women do seek intimacy outside of their committed relationships. But what does this really mean and why are the number of men and women having extramarital affairs so high?This may come as a complete surprise, but most extramarital affairs are not about sex. What then, is the main factor that causes infidelity?" |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Peace Date: 08 Oct 09 - 09:29 PM And another: "It is therefore nearly IMPOSSIBLE to find out for sure "exactly how many people cheat". If you were "dating" when you were 13 with your next door neighbor, and then kissed another girl playing spin-the-bottle, was that cheating? Are you now marked for life, when when you are 40 and true to your wife of 20 years, as "someone who cheated"? The only thing that can be said for sure is that some people DO cheat on their partners, just as some people cheat on their taxes and some people cheated in school. Men are generally twice as likely as women are to cheat. Other than that, there is little that you CAN say for sure. The reasons for cheating are very diverse. The results of the cheating are equally diverse. The only thing that matters is how YOU and YOUR PARTNER handle YOUR particular situation." |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Peace Date: 08 Oct 09 - 09:33 PM And yet another: 20% of women cheat, 40% of men cheat Dr. Scott Haltzman, Barrington psychiatrist: "By age 45, two out of every ... Read Full Tip for 20% of women cheat, 40% of men cheat 22% of women cheat, 37% of men cheat According to AskBob.com, up to 22% of women have been unfaithful at least once ... Read Full Tip for 22% of women cheat, 37% of men cheat 25% of women cheat, 33% of men cheat Janus Report on Sexual Behavior (1993) found: "More than one-third of men ... Read Full Tip for 25% of women cheat, 33% of men cheat |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: SharonA Date: 10 Oct 09 - 09:32 PM Does anyone else find Letterman's story that he found the package (from CBS producer Robert Haldeman) in the back seat of his car, and opened it, implausible? Letterman has already been troubled by a stalker who trespassed on his property repeatedly, so I assume that security at his home is of the highest quality now. So how would Haldeman have bypassed that security and entered the property and the car... unless, perhaps, Haldeman's former girlfriend (Stephanie Birkitt, who is also supposed to be one of Letterman's staffers with whom he had sex) had keys and/or security codes that Haldeman somehow obtained (with or without Birkitt's cooperation)? Even if Haldeman had managed to get onto Letterman's property and into his car to leave a package, why would Letterman have opened it instead of calling the local bomb squad????? Either Letterman is royally stupid, or he's lying. It has been suggested in the media that the Letterman story appeared when it did in order to increase Letterman's TV ratings and draw viewers away from Jay Leno's new prime-time program. I'm beginning to wonder if it's all a fabrication by Letterman and his staff. If it is, it's at the expense of the reputations of a lot of people (Haldeman and Birkitt among them). |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Jeri Date: 10 Oct 09 - 09:36 PM Thanks for refreshing this after two days Sharon. Sorry, I just checked and I still don't give a shit. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: SharonA Date: 10 Oct 09 - 09:43 PM LOL, Jeri! |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: SharonA Date: 10 Oct 09 - 10:36 PM Another take on the story: According to this New York Post article -- "Dave Pulls Stupid Trick on Wife in Caribbean" -- supposedly Haldeman personally handed the package to Letterman's limo driver, which would explain how it got into the car and why Letterman was so trustful that the package was legit and not a bomb. This explanation wasn't part of Letterman's original statement that he found the package in the back of his car. So maybe he's not lying... maybe.... Also according to that Post article, Haldeman cooked up the extortion scheme in a jealous rage because Birkitt had told him (while living with him) that she was no longer sleeping with Letterman, but he had seen her in a "very passionate embrace" with Letterman in "a parked car in the driveway" of Haldeman's/Birkitt's home. Haldeman then dumped Birkitt. Their relationship had been on the rocks since December 2008, when Haldeman had read Birkitt's diaries and discovered that she had been having an ongoing sexual affair with Letterman, even having sexual trysts with him while he was taking vacations with his wife and son. (That's vacationS, plural!) Letterman himself has shown by his admissions/apologies that he's a scumbag. The question is whether Haldeman was out to get back at Letterman, or whether Letterman is concocting the whole extortion story to get back at Haldeman for kicking out his secret lover as well as to garner ratings. Probably the former, but I do have to wonder... (Sorry, Jeri, to be bringing this up after two days, but I've been away from Mudcat for FOUR days doing real-time folk-music stuff, so I haven't had a chance to post these thoughts till now.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: meself Date: 10 Oct 09 - 11:15 PM The question is: why should we care? |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Peace Date: 10 Oct 09 - 11:52 PM We should care for the following reasons: 1) |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: M.Ted Date: 11 Oct 09 - 01:30 PM We should care because Robert Joe Haldeman, one of CBS News' most prestigious investigative journalists seems to be an extortionist, and, as the saying goes, rats always travel in packs. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: gnu Date: 11 Oct 09 - 01:34 PM The thought plickens. Hey, it's a boring day... I gotta gook Thanksgiving supper so football is sketchy... GO PATS! |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: gnu Date: 11 Oct 09 - 02:17 PM -g +c |
