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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Ed T Date: 04 Oct 09 - 08:58 PM Hopefully, Paul Shaffer was not one of the employees in question. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Beer Date: 04 Oct 09 - 08:45 PM Any of his "victims " complaining? Must have been a great ride I guess. Beer (adrien) |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Ed T Date: 04 Oct 09 - 08:29 PM The use of the word hero in the title is puzzling. What does it take to be considered a hero? |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 04 Oct 09 - 08:19 PM Donuel's post reminds me of a book popular in Mexico a while back. Its translated title was 20,000 virgins. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: katlaughing Date: 04 Oct 09 - 10:56 AM Fair enough, CS...take a bow for honesty.*bg* Jeri, you are going to make me die laughing |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: John MacKenzie Date: 04 Oct 09 - 07:32 AM People's reactions to this seem to closely follow how they feel about Letterman. It's intersting that one's moral compass can be swung by one's perception of the parties involved. I wonder what the reactions would have been, were it Dave Bulmer confessing to bonking his staff? JM |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies) Date: 04 Oct 09 - 07:14 AM "I have read a lot of your other postings which don't seem to jibe with what you've posted here." Kat, I agree. I was in an angry mood last night, and I exorcised it ranting at nothing. I don't really give a crap about some talk show host banging other women or confessing it on telly. There you go, some straight-up honesty from me.. Can I have my hero trophy now ;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Jeri Date: 03 Oct 09 - 11:09 PM Yeah, kat, but people mostly avoid me anyway. Probably because of my way with words. Also, I missed an opportunity to use a colon. Need more fiber in my sentences. I re-read what I wrote and something struck me:* I was only talking about guys. I can't remember the last time a woman was criticized for the same thing. It might have happened, but I don't remember. * HA! It squeaked out after all. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Donuel Date: 03 Oct 09 - 11:04 PM I don't need a public apology for a person's personal life. I don't even need to hear a person brag about their perfect record of fidelity or the exploits of one basketball player numbering over 20,000. Just because as an employer as well as a husband I have never stepped out of bounds does not mean everyone else must. But having over 20,000 partners does conjure up images of incredible time wasting, enourmous amounts of goo as well as monumental chaffing. Now if only someone could trace any of this bruhaha back to Sarah Palin makin some mavericky rogue inquiries into Letterman's sex life for cash ... now that would make it a meanigful story to me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: katlaughing Date: 03 Oct 09 - 10:41 PM Jeri, LMAO! You DO have a way with words. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: GUEST,number 6 Date: 03 Oct 09 - 07:20 PM David Letterman is a 'talk show host' fer crissakes .... that's why it is big news ... and that's all... personally I don't give a rat's ass about all of this, and if the public wants to get all wrapped up in it , well that's their problem ... enough said biLL |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Jeri Date: 03 Oct 09 - 07:16 PM It was going to be all over the media no matter what he did or didn't do, and being the one to control when the shit hits the fan means one knows when to duck. I've known of married guys bonking women who weren't their wives. Same goes with guys in non-marriage relationships. I don't know if they or Letterman had understandings with their partners. I don't know if the bonkee knew they didn't have a hope in hell of anything past the bonk. I don't care. Not my problem, not my business, and if I had to judge all the bonking that I know about or think I know about, I'd be a shriveled-up pucker-faced crabby old busy-body that people avoid. But seriously, about this, I DON'T CARE. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Peace Date: 03 Oct 09 - 07:05 PM I fail to see why Letterman's life--he's done nothing illegal--is anyone else's business. Hell, it's not as if he lied about Iraq fer krissake. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: katlaughing Date: 03 Oct 09 - 06:48 PM CS, seems to me you are making a lot of assumptions. I agree with Ebbie, I sure wouldn't want you judging me and I have read a lot of your other postings which don't seem to jibe with what you've posted here. Alice, Craig is my FAV, too! Thanks for the link. I'd seen it before, too, and heard it on NPR when he was interviewed about a new book. Excellent piece. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies) Date: 03 Oct 09 - 05:08 PM If there was no personal "agreement" (as there is with most serious couples), he could have ignored the whole biz. Or maybe quietly let it be known that he and his partner had an 'unconventional' agreement. No need for any "show", as there would be nothing to confess.. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies) Date: 03 Oct 09 - 05:03 PM Ebbie, I'm condemning Letterman for *cynical abuse of his media power* in an attempt to absolve him off repeatedly sexually betraying his partner. As he evidently used it to gain sexual favours from female staff in the first place, and then his place in media to "colour" those sexual activities nicely in his own show in the second. Sounds kinda like a turd to me. If he hadn't chosen to involve his own position in the media to colour events, I'd never have responded. His bad. If you err wanted to 'research' some of my prior posts (I'm sure you wouldn't) you'd find I'm all for free love and open relationships. So I have no objection to anyone screwing around- just as long as everyone's cool. It does happen of course, and that's no concern to anyone else..... Unless of course, someone deliberately chooses a public existence like err Letterman.. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Ebbie Date: 03 Oct 09 - 04:49 PM And how do you know that he has not apologized to her? Why should it be public? Just so we can get our vicarious jollies? As for making it into a "big media event", that is MUCH smarter than letting the would-be extortionist continue. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies) Date: 03 Oct 09 - 04:43 PM Just so I'm clear on this, I don't think the moral judgement of the American (or any!) viewing public matter Dick - But if he decides to turn his infidelity into a big media event (as he has indeed chosen to do) he should at least publicly apologise to his long-term partner (now wife) and mother of his child. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Ebbie Date: 03 Oct 09 - 04:40 PM Whoa. I'm glad that you're not the judge of me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies) Date: 03 Oct 09 - 04:31 PM "Ho Hum. Sex with consenting adults. Their business and nobody elses." Yes, I fully agree. For most perps of similar personal crumby stuff. Aaaaalthough the fact that Letterman deliberately chose decided to *Use His* own prominent place in the public media, to turn his personal story of sexual infidelity (to the mother of his child and and hiring prospective fanny) into some kind of utterly loathesome manipulative and emotive 'reality-show' style confessional, kinda totally blew that outa the water.. So because of that utterly cynical abuse of his power (dishonest), I say Fuck the creep. So he banged other women. Someone sussed him and blagged it. But please, gimme a break. The dude's a turd. But a media savvy turd... So he fucks his non-legal wife up the arse (not to mention the babes he hired), then goes "boo hoo, boo hoo" the bad man got me, on telly. Get off it! |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Ebbie Date: 03 Oct 09 - 04:21 PM Thanks for posting that, Alice. I've seen it before but it's well worth watching again. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: GUEST,Tunesmith Date: 03 Oct 09 - 04:14 PM I think Letterman is very light weight. Youtube gives viewers the opportunity to compare interviewers, and in that respect, Letterman comes a poor second to almost every other interviewer out there. But he must have something to be as successful as he is. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 03 Oct 09 - 03:21 PM Ho Hum. Sex with consenting adults. Their business and nobody elses. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Alice Date: 03 Oct 09 - 03:09 PM VIDEO Craig Ferguson worth watching to the end, it may surprise you |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Alice Date: 03 Oct 09 - 03:04 PM Don't often watch the late night talk guys, but when I do, my favorite is Craig Ferguson. IMHO he's the best. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Ebbie Date: 03 Oct 09 - 02:44 PM Hey, Gary, come back. Most of us understood what you were saying. I like your take on things. For the record, I'm not a huge David Letterman fan- that seems a bit puerile, not to say juvenile. But I like him and have listened to his monologues for years. That's my habit- I tune in to Letterman's monologue and then I switch to Leno's monologue. (Used to be easier- before Leno's prime time emergence!) Conan O'Brien's monologue I listen to when either of the other two shows is pre-empted. I rarely watch more than just the monologues- it's kind of like buying Playboy for just the articles. :) But it lets me stay on top of what the commentators are saying about any given news item, and enjoy it in the process. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: gnu Date: 03 Oct 09 - 02:27 PM Ahhh, I did not call him a "hero". Read the title of the thread. Barry, as far as me needing a reality check or a dictionary, I think you need to actually learn to read and copmprehend, perhaps think. I take umbridge at your misinterpretation and misuse of my words and subsequent trash talk. As for those who have branded Dave as a womanizer, an adulterer, a sexual harasser, I would like to see you provide your supporting proof of same. Having said that, I am gonna do sommat yet again it seems I have to do a lot lately in the face of inane quibbling... leave. Yet again, I say, have fun with it. Just one more thing... don't bother to twist my words anymore or state unfounded accusations after I am gone. Anybody can read the thread, analyze fact and discard fiction. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Alice Date: 03 Oct 09 - 02:18 PM Maybe some will, maybe they won't.... any of them could have gone to the tabloids before this. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies) Date: 03 Oct 09 - 02:15 PM Stalked? Dunno, but I reckon (if the US is *anything* like the UK trashy press for sexual scandal in the media?) those females employees who tickled Lettermans fancy, will be lining up for full colour "exclusives" with the parps, to help pay off their mortgage.. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: meself Date: 03 Oct 09 - 02:09 PM "So, to be told that what I had with him/the boss/a co-worker was just sex may rankle" Looks like this may prove to be a learning experience all 'round .... |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Alice Date: 03 Oct 09 - 02:08 PM Letterman's ranch home is near Choteau, Montana. "On March 19, 2009, Letterman married his girlfriend of 23 years at the Teton County Courthouse in Choteau." |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Alice Date: 03 Oct 09 - 02:05 PM The home for Letterman's son and mother of his son (now wife) is Montana, where common law marriage is legal (not that it matters much in this case). It's a private affair so to speak. Hopefully the women involved won't become stalked by the paparazzi. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Ebbie Date: 03 Oct 09 - 02:00 PM The thing that I suspect may come back to bite him is his graceless choice of words: "I had sex with women on the staff". I would imagine he is aware that most women don't have just sex- most tend to load it with the perception of some kind of relationship. So, to be told that what I had with him/the boss/a co-worker was just sex may rankle to a greater or lesser degree. And he is not in control of the degree that the hypothetical"I" might reach; there could be a series of resignations within the staff. And some could go public. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies) Date: 03 Oct 09 - 01:00 PM My own opinion is that infidelity (being the breaking of mutually agreed rules within a personal relationship) is pretty much a natural tendency in the human race. Nor do I take any issue with other people being unfaithful to their partners *unless* they happen to be big-mouthed hypocrites, like preachy politicians or vicars. Betrayal and infidelity happen all the time within personal relationships. But whether a person is *legally* recognised as "single" (dependending on what the particular laws of US state you happen to live in at the time) makes absolutely no difference whatsoever to whether or not that person was actually unfaithful to their partner. What I was commenting on (as indeed clearly stated) and most interested in, was the posters who were distinguishing between single as a *legal* construct (where that person has either a) no partner, or b) an existing long term partner who is nevertheless not recognised by law), and pragmatic *real-life* single where there is no kind of serious personal relationship with a partner), in some kind of attempt to absolve Letterman of any personal ethical error. If he was single, no big deal. If he was in a serious relationship, then he was unfaithful to his partner. Nothing very shocking or surprising in that of course, but it's still infidelity with deep personal and ethical considerations for those involved, irrespective of what constitutes the legal definitions of "single" in whatever state you happen to live. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: katlaughing Date: 03 Oct 09 - 12:35 PM I wouldn't call him a hero, either, but it doesn't really matter to me. And, it seems he has done some good works, though he may just be a bit quieter about it than his contemporaries: Letterman expressed his philanthropic tendencies by creating a charitable organization called the American Foundation for Courtesy and Grooming. Though the name sounds like a joke, through the foundation, primarily endowed by the talk show host, Letterman has given over two million US Dollars (USD) to numerous programs supporting children's education and health. Speaking of Ball State where he went to school: The former telecommunications student has given about $20,000 a year since 1985 for scholarships to the school and makes a habit of mentioning the institution regularly on his show. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Stilly River Sage Date: 03 Oct 09 - 12:11 PM Sex happens. Live with it. I've enjoyed watching Letterman over the years. I was sorry Leno and Letterman were pitted against each other because I enjoyed both of their approaches to humor. David Letterman doesn't suffer fools gladly, and when he was confronted with the thing about Sarah Palin and she made a fuss because the butt of a joke was a child he did apologize. But when Palin got really strange and left office it gave him the moral high ground when poking fun at her mendacity. A single man has sex with a consenting partner. That's not news. A desperately broke news producer who has broken up with a girlfriend who was a past partner deludes himself into thinking he can extort money from Letterman and puts it in writing and meets with Letterman and his lawyer. This is so sad and so strange--but Letterman did the right thing. And by making the announcement as he did, he owned it and diffused it. David Letterman was a C average student at Ball State in Indiana. He established a scholarship at Ball State for students with a C average, because he knows there is more to getting an education than the letter grades. As a dyslexic who suffered totally average grades as an undergraduate, I am impressed that he did this. (As a graduate student, I was able to pace myself better and get the grades one needs to stay in grad school. But I digress. . . ) The man is smart and funny. More power to him. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Riginslinger Date: 03 Oct 09 - 11:44 AM Yes, these things are usually reduced to quibbling. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies) Date: 03 Oct 09 - 03:23 AM Don't care about the guy and don't see the programme here in UK. Just another bloke in media having an affair - sounds all very usual. Quite intrigued that some members here distinguish between the *legal* difference of Marriage V's long term partnership in different states, to absolve him of any moral responsibility though. Kinda reminds me of Clinton's quibbling over what constitutes sex. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Barry Finn Date: 03 Oct 09 - 01:43 AM Sorry, but what's makes him a hero? Has he stuck his neck out, put someone else's well being before his own, saved a life without thought to his own. A late night talk jock, what else, a millionaire beachfront landowner on the Vinyard. Maybe he's a hero in some books but until he does for others something special & significant or saves a life or soul without thought to his own person & without any gain on his own behalf then he's a far from a hero as Sam "Sunny Sam" Berkawhatshis name. Hero's are single mothers that raise their kids on they're own working 9-5, intelligent well educated folks that prefere to work with the needy at low paying jobs because they want to help make the world a better place for the less fortunate, teachers that work in the inner city or in rural run down schools when they could take jobs that offer better working conditions, students & pay. Now if you had said Paul Newman or Kathern Hepburn or any or the other high profile holywood types that go about donating time, money, resources, energy even advice that advances the good on someone maybe but DL, give me a break. Please, if he's your hero then you need a reality check or a dictionary I've seen folks in the gutter that can't do a thing for themself but survive & try to live & get by day to day that are closer to being a hero than he'll ever be! Barry |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: robomatic Date: 02 Oct 09 - 11:38 PM parts is parts good for letterman |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Ebbie Date: 02 Oct 09 - 10:53 PM OK- I've looked up as many YouTube sites on the subject of Eliot Spitzer and D. Letterman as I plan to. I must say that NOT ONCE did I hear Letterman bellow. I do believe he was irate - but who can tell when it's a comedian? In EVERY case of "railing" he went on to make a joke. He did say (Not at "the top of his voice", mind you) that Spitzer is trying to negotiate his legal future in refusing to resign, in order to stay out of jail. Spitzer's case was completely and totally different from Letterman's, by the way. Spitzer hired- and took across state lines - prostitutes and was one of those malcreants who had his wife stand beside him at the microphone, something that I despise. I suspect that anyone who remembers Letterman's public reactions should not trust his memory but rather go back and see it again. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Amergin Date: 02 Oct 09 - 10:52 PM He's some guy who looks like alfred e neuman.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Rapparee Date: 02 Oct 09 - 10:51 PM Okay, thanks. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Ebbie Date: 02 Oct 09 - 10:38 PM Let he without sin cast the first stone. Somehow that seems apt. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: meself Date: 02 Oct 09 - 10:04 PM Some bozo who's been doing a late-night talk show - you know, mug at the camera while some starlet re-arranges her endlessly long legs - for far too long .... |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Rapparee Date: 02 Oct 09 - 09:51 PM Ya gotta excuse me, but I have to ask a question and I'm serious about this: Who is David Letterman? |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Ed T Date: 02 Oct 09 - 09:21 PM And, no other entertainment figure had an affair with a staff member, while single (or in a relationship)....Child or not? Some of our big screen favourites did it with whomever they could. Whether you like him or not....it's not a factor. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Riginslinger Date: 02 Oct 09 - 09:04 PM I never could stand him and never thought he was funny. It's nice to be proven right in the end. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: Genie Date: 02 Oct 09 - 08:54 PM If Dave was dating / having sex with an adult woman who, like him, was single, since when is that an "affair?" Maybe some people use the term that way, but I wish the "news" media would quit referring to his "affairs," as though he was committing adultery. As for dating someone who worked on his staff (pun noted, not intended), yes, that can sometimes involve "sexual coercion" of a psychological nature, but not always. Much as some people would like to condemn all office romances, in reality it's often hard for people to socialize much with people except the ones they work with. "Office romances" sometimes lead to long-term commitment or marriage and other times just come and go (so to speak), but it's not necessarily coercion, even of a psychological nature. Anyway, the right wingers seem hell bent on vilifying and destroying Letterman, and I have a strong suspicion that the fuel for this fire stems mainly from the fact that he is a left-leaning public figure (or at least not a Limbaugh/Beck/Hannity clone) with a big microphone. I don't know about his relationship with Regina before they married, but that's between him and her. And I don't need to approve of his private social life to appreciate his show. |
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Subject: RE: BS: David Letterman. Late night TV hero... From: lefthanded guitar Date: 02 Oct 09 - 08:31 PM His words, at the top of his voice, were something like: "Hey if I were doing something like that , I wouldn't keep my job now, would I? Would you? Would you be able to do that and keep your job?" Wouldn't be surprised if an excerpt from that show surfaced on you tube. I remember that episode very well, b/c I thought he was being extreme, even for him. No, of course, I don't think he's the worst person to walk the earth- it's just the sneer on his face when he puts down others for doing the same thing he's done that irks me. He's LIVED with the woman for years, ring or no. And he has a son to think of. Yeah, he's a hypocrit and a low life, no one to exalt in my book. I feel bad for Regina. I don't care if lots of people do it, he's no one to admire. btw I can't vouch for the other two, but Jean Ritchie is as nice a person as you'd ever want to know. |
