Origins: Dance Ti' Thy Daddy / Dance to your Daddy

Subject: Lyr Add: DANCE TO YOUR DADDY
From: toadfrog
Date: 28 Mar 02 - 05:43 PM

There is a magnificent performance of this song, by Johnny Handle, on "Along the Coaly Tyne" (Topic). The tune is the same as the version in DT; the words are a whole lot more interesting. This is what it sounds like to me; are there any native speakers of Geordie who can correct this or fill in the gaps?

DANCE TO YOUR DADDY

(traditional)

Weary little Jacky, now a chaw of backy,
Let me have a crocky 'till the boat comes in.

Dance to your daddy now bonny laddie,
Dance to your daddy, to your mommy sing.
Ye shall have a fishy, on a little dishy,
Ye shall have a bloater when the boat comes in.

Here's your mommy comin' she's a cunning woman,
Yonder goes your daddy, drunk he can nae stand.

Dance to your daddy now bonny laddie,
Dance to your daddy, to your mommy sing.
Ye shall have a fishy, on a little dishy,
Ye shall have a herrin' when the boat comes in.

Tommys always ............................
Butchie's good to me I hope he will not fail.

Dance to your daddy now bonny laddie,
Dance to your daddy, to your mommy sing.
Ye shall have a fishy, on a little dishy,
Ye shall have a mackerel when the boat comes in.

I like a drop mysel' when I can get it sly,
I hope my bonny bairn will like it weel as I.

......................
Weel may the kieler ................the bairns I breed

Dance to your daddy now bonny laddie,
Dance to your daddy, to your mommy sing.
Ye shall have a fishy, on a little dishy,
Ye shall have a salmon when the boat comes in.

Subject: RE: Help: Geordie lyrics (add)
From: DMcG
Date: 28 Mar 02 - 06:24 PM

Tommy's always fuddling, he's sae fond of ale
But he's good tae me, I hope he winna fail

(fuddling - fuddled, drunk)

Well may the keel row
That brings the bairns their bread

And the first verse has
Let us have a crackie till the boat comes in

crackie is, I guess, related to the Irish 'craic' - a talk, banter, etc

Come here, me little Jacky
Now I've had me baccy
Let us have a crackie
Till the boat comes in

Subject: RE: Help: Geordie lyrics (add)
From: DMcG
Date: 28 Mar 02 - 06:28 PM

Sorry, I missed some of the other corrections:

Come here, me little Jacky
Now I've had me baccy
Let us have a crackie
Till the boat comes in

Subject: Dance Ti' Thy Daddy
From: GUEST,Peter Wheldon
Date: 09 Oct 09 - 02:09 PM

Hello, please could anyone let me know where I might be able to buy an itunes compatible download, of the Alex Glasgow rendition of 'Dance Ti' Thy Daddy', as used in the BBC 'When the boat comes in' programme?

Subject: RE: Dance Ti' Thy Daddy
From: Emma B
Date: 09 Oct 09 - 02:34 PM

I have a download of this video from youtube - should work?

Subject: RE: Dance Ti' Thy Daddy
From: Wyrd Sister
Date: 10 Oct 09 - 05:15 AM

I really enjoyed that. Thanks, Emma.(And Peter for asking)

Subject: RE: Dance Ti' Thy Daddy
From: GUEST,Sheila
Date: 10 Oct 09 - 07:25 PM

Thanks, Peter and Emma, for the references. I wonder why the series never came to America. It looks inviting.

Subject: RE: Dance Ti' Thy Daddy
From: DMcG
Date: 11 Oct 09 - 02:56 AM

It was released on the LP "Now and Then", which you can buy - presumably as a download - here.

Subject: RE: Dance Ti' Thy Daddy
From: Joe Offer
Date: 11 Oct 09 - 11:31 PM

Can anybody post the Alex Glasgow lyrics to this song?

-Joe-

Subject: RE: Dance Ti' Thy Daddy
From: Peace
Date: 11 Oct 09 - 11:35 PM

When The Boat Comes In (song)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



When The Boat Comes In (or Dance Ti Thy Daddy) is a traditional Northumbrian folk song.

It was popularised as the theme tune to the 1970s BBC drama serial When The Boat Comes In in an arrangement by the composer David Fanshawe.

The song was also used in the TV advertisement for Young's fish, Sea to Plate campaign.

Dance to your Daddy, my little laddy
Dance to your Daddy, my little man
Thou shalt have a fish and thou shalt have a fin
Thou shalt have a codlin when the boat comes in
Thou shalt have haddock baked in a pan
Dance to your Daddy, my little man

Dance to your Daddy, my little laddie
Dance to your Daddy, my little man
When thou art a young boy, you must sing and play
Go along the shore and cast your shells away
Build yourself a castle, watch the tide roll in
Dance to your Daddy, my little man.

Dance to your Daddy, my little laddie
Dance to your Daddy, my little man
When thou art a young man, go unto the trades
Find yourself a skill, and wages you'll be paid
Then with all your wages, buy yourself some land
Dance to your Daddy, my little man

Dance to your Daddy, my little laddie
Dance to your Daddy, my little man
When thou art a man and go to take a wife
Find yourself a lass and love her all your life
She shall be your wife and thou shalt be her man
Dance to your Daddy, my little man

Dance to your Daddy, my little laddie
Dance to your Daddy, my little man
When thou art an old man, father to a son
Sing to him the old songs, sing of all you've done
Pass along the old ways, then let his song begin
Dance to your Daddy, my little man


[edit] Alternative Lyrics
The theme to the TV series, sung by Alex Glasgow, was released as a BBC single

The lyrics from the TV series differ significantly from those above.

Dance ti' thy daddy, sing ti' thy mammy,
Dance ti' thy daddy, ti' thy mammy sing;
Thou shall hev a fishy on a little dishy,
Thou shall hev a fishy when the boat comes in.

Here's thy mother humming,
Like a canny woman;
Yonder comes thy father,
Drunk---he cannot stand.

Dance ti' thy daddy, sing ti' thy mammy,
Dance ti' thy daddy, ti' thy mammy sing;
Thou shall hev a fishy on a little dishy,
Thou shall hev a haddock when the boat comes in.

Our Tommy's always fuddling,
He's so fond of ale,
But he's kind to me,
I hope he'll never fail.

Dance ti' thy daddy, sing ti' thy mammy,
Dance ti' thy daddy, ti' thy mammy sing;
Thou shall hev a fishy on a little dishy,
Thou shall hev a bloater when the boat comes in

I like a drop mysel',
When I can get it sly,
And thou, my bonny bairn,
Will lik't as well as I.

Dance ti' thy daddy, sing ti' thy mammy,
Dance ti' thy daddy, ti' thy mammy sing;
Thou shall hev a fishy on a little dishy,
Thou shall hev a mackerel when the boat comes in.

May we get a drop,
Oft as we stand in need;
And weel may the keel row
That brings the bairns their bread.

Dance ti' thy daddy, sing ti' thy mammy,
Dance ti' thy daddy, ti' thy mammy sing;
Thou shall hev a fishy on a little dishy,
Thou shall hev a salmon when the boat comes in.

Subject: RE: Dance Ti' Thy Daddy
From: GUEST,Sheila
Date: 12 Oct 09 - 01:08 PM

Dance to your daddy,
My little laddie,
Dance to your daddy,
My little man.
Thou shalt have a fish,
Thou shalt have a fin,
Thou shalt have a haddock
When the boat comes in;
Thou shalt have a codling
Boiled in a pan -
Dance to your daddy,
My little man.

Dance to your daddy,
My little laddie,
Dance to your daddy,
My little lamb.
When thou art a man
And fit to take a wife,
Thou shalt wed a maid
And love her all your life;
She shall be your lassie,
Thou shalt be her man
Dance to your daddy, My little lamb.

This from Contemplator:

http://www.contemplator.com/sea/daddy.html

Subject: RE: Dance Ti' Thy Daddy
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Oct 09 - 01:29 PM

Check out a new album on Fellside Records by Sam and Graham Pirt called Dance to Thee Daddy

Subject: RE: Dance Ti' Thy Daddy
From: Joe_F
Date: 12 Oct 09 - 06:33 PM

The Ritchie family sang:

Dance to your daddy,
My little laddy,
Dance to your daddy,
My little lad.
You shall have a fishy
In your little dishy,
You shall have a fishy
When the boat comes in.

Dance to your mammy,
My little lamby,
Dance to your mammy,
My little lamb.
You shall have a suppy
In you little cuppy,
You shall have a suppy
When the cow comes home.

Subject: RE: Dance Ti' Thy Daddy
From: GUEST,Joe Heckels
Date: 25 May 11 - 06:10 AM

Can anyone shed any light on the origins of this song. e.g. when was it first collected. or (I doubt) who wtote it? I've seen it described as "Traditional" but I wonder if that is the end of the story.

Subject: RE: Dance Ti' Thy Daddy
From: GUEST
Date: 25 May 11 - 09:51 AM

For what it's worth, the credit for this song on the Alex Glassgow LP "Now and Then" says: Trad arr. D. Fanshawe.

Presumably this is the David Fanshawe whose "African Sanctus" was very popular around the late Sixties (and was famously featured in the film "If"). He also worked on the TV series "Flambards" with which Alex was involved.

Subject: RE: Dance Ti' Thy Daddy
From: death by whisky
Date: 25 May 11 - 12:01 PM

The Horslips did a great version on thier first album "Happy to meet sorry to part"One of the best guitar solos ever.

Subject: RE: Dance Ti' Thy Daddy
From: Kit Griffiths
Date: 25 May 11 - 12:16 PM

I am pretty sure that this is a traditional Geordie song. 40+ years ago, my former wife's family gave me a "best wishes" card (which I have in front of me), with the words (and four small cartoons) virtually identical to the "Alternative Lyrics" shown by Peace (i.e, fishy,dishy). There is, however, a first verse, before "Here's thy mother humming", which goes:

Come here, my little Jackey,
Now I've smoked my backey,
Let's have a bit crackey
Till the boat comes in.

The card was published by T & G Allan (Newcastle) Ltd as "Tyneside Song Series No. 7". There is no writing or collecting credit, and I seem to recall that other songs in the series that were attributable (e.g. Blaydon Races) DID have the credits.

I knew the song as a child in the south east during the fifties and sixties, but with the sublime innocence of youth just thought of it as English, rather than from any particular part of England!

Subject: RE: Dance Ti' Thy Daddy
From: Joe Offer
Date: 25 May 11 - 02:42 PM

The Traditional Ballad Index indicates that the song is found in an interesting variety of sources:

Dance to Your Daddy

DESCRIPTION: "Dance to your daddy, my little laddie, Dance to your daddy, my little man. You shall have a fish and you shall have a fin, You shall have a coddlin' when the boat comes in." The child is told that he will grow up, marry, and love the girl his whole life
AUTHOR: unknown
EARLIEST DATE: 1842 (Fordyce's Newcastle Song Book, according to Opie-Oxford2)
KEYWORDS: dancing family father nonballad
FOUND IN: Britain(England(North),Scotland(Aber)), Ireland US(Ap)
REFERENCES (9 citations):
Stokoe/Reay, pp. 76-77, "Dance Ti' Thy Daddy" (1 text, 1 tune)
GreigDuncan8 1562, "Dance to Your Daddy" (1 text, 1 tune)
Opie-Oxford2 123, "Dance to your daddy" (3 texts)
Baring-Gould-MotherGoose #563, p. 229, "(Dance to your daddy)"
Montgomerie-ScottishNR 104, "(Dance to your daddy)" (1 text)
Ritchie-Southern, p. 83, "Dance to Your Daddy" (1 short text partly rewritten by Jean Ritchie, 1 tune)
Silber-FSWB, p. 409, "Dance To Your Daddy" (1 text)
DT, DANCEDAD* DANCDAD2*
ADDITIONAL: Robert Chambers, The Popular Rhymes of Scotland (Edinburgh, 1870 ("Digitized by Google")), p. 18, ("Dance to your daddie")
Roud #2439
RECORDINGS:
Elizabeth Cronin, "Dance to Your Daddy" (on Lomax42, LomaxCD1742)
Ritchie Family, "Dance To Your Daddy" (on Ritchie03)
ALTERNATE TITLES:
The Little Fishy
NOTES: This appears, from the dialect and the unusually full form found in Stokoe, to have originated in Northumbria in England. But there are a lot of filed-down versions; I'm not entirely sure whether these are traditional or pop-folksingers' attempts to make the song more accessible to urban audiences - RBW
Jean Ritchie notes that she sings this song to her son; she doesn't say it's one she learned from her family, but she hints that she did, so I include, "FOUND IN US(Ap)". However, at this point in her life she'd done folklore research in Britain and may have picked it up there. - PJS
See Tim Coughlan, Now Shoon the Romano Gillie, (Cardiff,2001), #160, p. 413, "Grib to your Naiskel" [Scotto-Romani/Tinklers' Cant fragment from MacColl and Seeger, Till Doomsday in the Afternoon (1986)]. - BS
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Subject: RE: Origins: Dance Ti' Thy Daddy / Dance to your Daddy
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 26 May 11 - 12:10 PM

The Sanctus in the film 'If' was from the Missa Luba, a traditional Congolese setting of the Mass. David Fanshawe's African Sanctus is totally different.

Subject: RE: Origins: Dance Ti' Thy Daddy / Dance to your Daddy
From: GUEST,Joe Heckels
Date: 31 May 11 - 05:14 AM

Thanks for all this wonderful research. I knew this song as a child in the 1950s in Newcastle but of course no-one told me who wrore it or when. I suppose that is the true meaning of "Traditional".

Subject: RE: Origins: Dance Ti' Thy Daddy / Dance to your Daddy
From: *#1 PEASANT*
Date: 31 May 11 - 06:48 AM

Often attributed to W. Watson
See Allan and tyne songster

Fordyce of 1840 see google books....

The Tyne songster, a choice selection of songs in the Newcastle dialect
(Google eBook)

Tyne songster

W. and T. Fordyce, 1840 - Music

P. 261

Conrad

Subject: RE: Origins: Dance Ti' Thy Daddy / Dance to your Daddy
From: Dan Schatz
Date: 31 May 11 - 11:13 AM

I've been researching traditional fishing songs for inclusion in a possible CD project, and this thread reminded me of one more. I'd seen the lyrics before but never heard the melody. Now I have another reason to thank the Mudcat.

For the better part of the week now I've been trying to learn the song and come up with a decent cittern arrangement. I find it to be a beautiful, addictive, and very difficult song to play and sing.

Here's Bob Fox and Billy Mitchell's especially lovely version.

Thank you again, fellow Mudcatters, for bringing this song into my life.

Dan

Subject: RE: Origins: Dance Ti' Thy Daddy / Dance to your Daddy
From: death by whisky
Date: 16 Jun 11 - 10:40 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUfUDUF_ynQ is the horslip[s version. if this clicky doesnt work im going to

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUfUDUF_ynQ

Subject: RE: Origins: Dance Ti' Thy Daddy / Dance to your Daddy
From: Joe Offer
Date: 17 May 17 - 02:22 PM

Nice performance of "Dance to Your Daddy" by Nancy Kerr and James Fagan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RvwoDmt8jQ

Subject: RE: Origins: Dance Ti' Thy Daddy / Dance to your Daddy
From: *#1 PEASANT*
Date: 17 May 17 - 04:08 PM

when the boat comes in

---

When the Boat comes in/Dance to thy Daddy 

Come here me little Jacky, 
now ah've smoked me baccy, 
let's hev a bit of cracky, 
till the boat comes in. 
Dance to thee Daddy, sing to thee Mammy, 
dance to thee Daddy, to thee Mammy sing; 

Thou shalt hev a fishy on a little dishy, 

thou shalt hev a fishy when the boat comes in. 

Here's thy mother humming, 
like a canny woman; 
Yonder comes thy fatha, 
drunk - he cannat stand. 

Dance to thee Daddy, sing to thee Mammy, 
dance to thee Daddy, to thee Mammy sing; 
Thou shalt hev a fishy on a little dishy, 
thou shalt hev a haddock when the boat comes in 

Our Tommy's always fuddling, 
he's so fond of ale, 
but he's kind to me, 
I hope he'll never fail. 

Dance to thee Daddy, sing to thee Mammy, 
dance to thee Daddy, to thee Mammy sing; 
Thou shalt hev a fishy on a little dishy, 
thou shalt hev a Bloater when the boat comes in 

I like a drop mesel', 
when I can get it sly, 
and thou, my bonny bairn, 
will like't as well as I. 

Dance to thee Daddy, sing to thee Mammy, 
dance to thee Daddy, to thee Mammy sing; 
Thou shalt hev a fishy on a little dishy, 
thou shalt hev a Mackerel when the boat comes in. 

May we get a drop, 
oft as we stand in need; 
and weel may the keel row 
that brings the bairns tha breed. 

Dance to thee Daddy, sing to thee Mammy, 
dance to thee Daddy, to thee Mammy sing; 
Thou shalt hev a fishy on a little dishy, 
thou shalt hev a Salmon when the boat comes in. 

-In Allan's Illustrated Edition of Tyneside Songs and Readings....,
Thomas and George Allan, NewcastleUpon Tyne, 1891. Author lsited 
as Watson and source: Fordyce's "Newcastle song Book," 1842"

I hope you don't mind my pasting in the lyrics, Conrad. -Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Origins: Dance Ti' Thy Daddy / Dance to your Daddy
From: *#1 PEASANT*
Date: 17 May 17 - 04:14 PM

I think the unthanks did one

Subject: RE: Origins: Dance Ti' Thy Daddy / Dance to your Daddy
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 17 May 17 - 05:16 PM

Tom McConville does a great version for kids that lets the kids in the audience fill in the name of the fish that is caught in subsequent verses.

Ye shall have a fishy on a little dishy
Ye shall have a ------- when the boat comes in.

Subject: RE: Origins: Dance Ti' Thy Daddy / Dance to your Daddy
From: FreddyHeadey
Date: 17 May 17 - 06:25 PM

The Bob Fox video above is marvellous and for me his singing is perfect.

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I'd not heard this one before. Also good.

By Robert White, Michael Sands
I can only find it on Spotify

https://open.spotify.com/track/1ispe2RHukT1eQvdr7vQSv

Subject: RE: Origins: Dance Ti' Thy Daddy / Dance to your Daddy
From: GUEST,jamiebrownfolk
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 05:41 AM

Here's a slant on the classic I thought may interest (or, dare I say, even entertain) some folk...

A tune from yesteryear with a 2020 twist.

Our boat will come in soon...
??

WHEN THE BOAT COMES IN - 2020
(Dance ti' thy Daddy - Lockdown Edition)

https://youtu.be/1kyvW2Jj3fM

Subject: RE: Origins: Dance Ti' Thy Daddy / Dance to your Daddy
From: Richard Mellish
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 06:54 AM

Many thanks to Jamie for that brilliant version for these hard times.

FWIW Annie Fentiman has a mnemonic for the different kinds of fish in the original version:
For Health Buy Mackeson Stout
Fishy Herring Bloater Mackerel Salmon.

Subject: RE: Origins: Dance Ti' Thy Daddy / Dance to your Daddy
From: mayomick
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 07:44 AM

"crackie is, I guess, related to the Irish 'craic' - a talk, banter, etc"
From what I've read, ( on mudcat, maybe?)the Irish word “craic” had never been recorded in Ireland until the late 1950s . Researchers traced its use here to Irish labourers who had worked on the construction of a reservoir in Northumberland .

Subject: RE: Origins: Dance Ti' Thy Daddy / Dance to your Daddy
From: GUEST,Derrick
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 08:44 AM

mayomick,
          The origin of craic is northern England and Scotland,it also had a prescence in Ulster Scots.

see here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craic

Subject: RE: Origins: Dance Ti' Thy Daddy / Dance to your Daddy
From: GUEST,jim bainbridge
Date: 10 Nov 20 - 05:54 AM

Yes but it'slways 'crack' in Northern England, not 'craic' which is used in Ireland- it has the same meaning anyway.

Subject: RE: Origins: Dance Ti' Thy Daddy / Dance to your Daddy
From: GUEST,Derrick
Date: 10 Nov 20 - 06:06 AM

The paragraph below,copied from the Wikipedia article mentioned in my previous post explains how the word took the Irish spelling in Ireland


Crack was borrowed into the Irish language with the Gaelicized spelling craic.[1] It has been used in Irish since at least 1968,[28] and was popularised in the catchphrase Beidh ceol, caint agus craic againn ("We'll have music, chat and craic"), used by Seán Bán Breathnach for his Irish-language chatshow SBB ina Shuí, broadcast on RTÉ from 1976 to 1982.[1][29][30] The Irish spelling was soon reborrowed into English, and is attested in publications from the 1970s and 1980s.[1] Craic has also been used in Scottish Gaelic since at least the early 1990s, though it is unknown if it was borrowed directly from Irish or from English.[1]

Subject: RE: Origins: Dance Ti' Thy Daddy / Dance to your Daddy
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Nov 20 - 12:41 PM

It's all down to spelling really- a common greeting in Norhern England is 'How's the crack?'
its origin is not clear, but the 'craic' version is invented Gaelicism as you say- no harm in it of course, I think Sean O Riada (John Reid) used the 'craic' version?

It's akin to the way many Irish people do the same with Irish names. There are people of Irish ethnicity called Martin, brought up in the UK who develop a Gaelic persona & become Mairtin- no harm in it, again!

Subject: RE: Origins: Dance Ti' Thy Daddy / Dance to your Daddy
From: GUEST,jamiebrownfolk
Date: 14 Nov 20 - 04:09 PM

An updated rendition of a 2020 slant on 'Dance ti' thy Daddy' with lyrics, for those not as familiar with my mother tongue... ;)

WHEN THE BOAT COMES IN | Dance ti' thy Daddy 2020 | Jamie Brown

Stay safe all.

Subject: RE: Origins: Dance Ti' Thy Daddy / Dance to your Daddy
From: The Man from UNCOOL
Date: 14 Nov 20 - 09:05 PM

The OP's transcription shows "chaw" in the first line.
Everyone seems to render this "smoke me baccy", but surely it's "chew me baccy", a practice poss. as common as smoking in the Trad. era?