BS: Blair as EU President

Subject: BS: Blair as EU President
From: Rafflesbear
Date: 27 Oct 09 - 06:31 PM

how can a man who mistakenly started a war become president of the EU?

does the post control any armed forces?

who would you have instead?

Subject: RE: BS: Blair as EU President
From: Amergin
Date: 27 Oct 09 - 06:35 PM

I doubt there are any politicians worthy of the post....

Subject: RE: BS: Blair as EU President
From: Joe Offer
Date: 27 Oct 09 - 06:38 PM

Is Blair still defending his decision to join George W. Bush's war? If he has expressed regret, then maybe he's learned his lesson and won't be so foolish the next time.
Or is it some other war he mistakenly started, because I'm pretty sure that Iraq was W's war...
I think Blair would make a good EU president.
-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Blair as EU President
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 27 Oct 09 - 06:40 PM

It's basically a Mickey Mouse job - no actual power, no real work, just a title and the access to attention that goes with it. And of course the money. You can see why it would appeal to Blair.

Subject: RE: BS: Blair as EU President
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 27 Oct 09 - 06:41 PM

A bit like being Queen, really.

Subject: RE: BS: Blair as EU President
From: gnu
Date: 27 Oct 09 - 06:43 PM

Blair joined Bush's war? The Brits have a bit more history in such, I thought.

Subject: RE: BS: Blair as EU President
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 27 Oct 09 - 06:48 PM

Not really. Poodles don't tell their masters where to go. (Well, real poodles might, but not political poodles.)

Subject: RE: BS: Blair as EU President
From: akenaton
Date: 27 Oct 09 - 07:04 PM

I would suggest that the brave "liberals" who defended our "democracy" outside the BBC last week, should wait a bit before binning their Anti-fascist placards, their Balaclavas and pick shafts.....at last there maybe something real to protest about.

A real honest to goodness British war criminal, who's personal input and the input of his cowardly cabinet dragged us all into a conflict that left more than a million dead and christ knows how many mutilated and limbless......As far as the UK was concerned this was Blairs war, but how many of the "liberals" who tried to deny free speech to a tin pot dictator..... and beat up several young policemen while they were at it.....will be back on the streets to protest the election of a real monster? Not fucking one, because Blair is their monster.....a nice liberal democratic politician who smiles a lot and talks "newspeak"

Are there any bigger hypocrits in this world than the "democratic left"? these threads are full of them, twisting and turning, apologising for mass murder and passing the death sentence on any who don't use the proscribed words

Griffin a threat to our "democracy"...dont make me fuckin laugh.
If we really had a democracy the biggest threat by far would be the "liberal left"...Ake

Subject: RE: BS: Blair as EU President
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 27 Oct 09 - 07:07 PM

HMaj has shown a very steady hand on the political controls available to her, and much better judgment than B.Liar.

I don't much like the idea of a Pres, and I like the idea of B.Liar still less. Kinnock would be OK. The single most important thing would probably be to keep Berlusconi out (although there are some A8 loonies who could be even more malign albeit less effectively venal)! How about Mrs Brown?

Subject: RE: BS: Blair as EU President
From: gnu
Date: 27 Oct 09 - 07:12 PM

The Brits answer to the USA? They take orders from the USA? Surely you jest?

Subject: RE: BS: Blair as EU President
From: Joe Offer
Date: 27 Oct 09 - 07:15 PM

Well, over on this side of the ocean, it looked like Blair took orders from Bush, Bush took orders from Cheney, and the people of the US and UK paid the price...

Subject: RE: BS: Blair as EU President
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Oct 09 - 07:23 PM

Blair??? You mean Tony "the Warmonger" Blair???

No, no... A thousand times no... Hey, I really don't care if he has the power to start any new wars or not... That isn't the issue... Judgement is!!!

NO!!!

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Blair as EU President
From: akenaton
Date: 27 Oct 09 - 07:28 PM

Not so Joe....Blair went to war with his eyes wide open....scary stary open!.....The people tried to change his mind.....huge demos against the war, but his cowardly cabinet supported him because he was seen to be electible.

They voted for their jobs.....and a million deaths; and one of them (Jack Straw) sat in judgement on a deluded Nick Griffin, branding him a "danger"

Blair and his war cabinet should face the fate handed down to Saddam, rather than a cosy job as leader of the EU

Subject: RE: BS: Blair as EU President
From: Rafflesbear
Date: 27 Oct 09 - 07:34 PM

It takes a lot to get middle Britain off their collective backsides and onto the streets but Blair managed it and still he ignored them - thus far I agree with you Ake, but it's possible to dislike both the politics of war and of hate - let's try and stick to the thread though

Subject: RE: BS: Blair as EU President
From: gnu
Date: 27 Oct 09 - 07:41 PM

Joe... media spin can be quite sommat.

Subject: RE: BS: Blair as EU President
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 27 Oct 09 - 08:04 PM

"Judgement is!!!"

That could be a good reason for wanting Blair to get the job - it might actually make it more likely he got put on trial.

See here, by George Monbiot in yesterday's Guardian Making this ruthless liar EU president is a crazy plan. But I'll be backing Blair

Subject: RE: BS: Blair as EU President
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Oct 09 - 12:01 PM

Right on, Akenaton.

I have never placed much credence in the Christian fundamentalist notions of an "Antichrist" who will ascend to political power in Europe and deceive the world and lead it into disaster....but...

I can hardly think of a better candidate than Tony Blair to assume that role if anyone ever does. He looks soooo "liberal". He sounds sooooo "liberal". He smiles and twinkles in such a convincing fashion. And he's as phony as a 13 dollar bill. He should be on trial for war crimes.

Subject: RE: BS: Blair as EU President
From: Peace
Date: 28 Oct 09 - 05:27 PM

"They take orders from the USA? Surely you jest?"

No he doesn't, and stop calling him Surely.

Subject: RE: BS: Blair as EU President
From: akenaton
Date: 28 Oct 09 - 06:15 PM

Like that twinkly sense of humour Brucie :0)
How's it goin' pal?

You've certainly got Blair "taped" Hawk!

Subject: RE: BS: Blair as EU President
From: Smokey.
Date: 28 Oct 09 - 07:29 PM

Blair's got a great future ahead of him if only he would strive to fulfil his potential as an organ donor.

Subject: RE: BS: Blair as EU President
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 28 Oct 09 - 08:40 PM

Happily Merkel seems to have stuck the knife into him.

Subject: RE: BS: Blair as EU President
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 28 Oct 09 - 09:12 PM

""Not fucking one, because Blair is their monster.....a nice liberal democratic politician who smiles a lot and talks "newspeak"

Are there any bigger hypocrits in this world than the "democratic left"? these threads are full of them, twisting and turning, apologising for mass murder and passing the death sentence on any who don't use the proscribed words""

I think the LibDems will be VERY surprised to learn of Tony B Liar's change of allegiance. Last time I looked he was New Labour.

And you might like to pay a little attention to vocabulary, else nobody will get to read your PROscribed words.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Blair as EU President
From: akenaton
Date: 29 Oct 09 - 04:31 AM

Don....I am not referring to "Liberal Democrat"....the party, but "liberal democrat"....the excuse.

Subject: RE: BS: Blair as EU President
From: GUEST,Rafflesbear
Date: 29 Oct 09 - 05:31 AM

Yes - we should all beware of wolves in sheep's clothing whichever party they represent - People who speak calm words that hide their true intentions

If not Blair then who?

I've heard a rumour that Radovan Karadzic wants to stand against Blair based on his human rights record

(not true - I just started the rumour)

Subject: RE: BS: Blair as EU President
From: Bryn Pugh
Date: 29 Oct 09 - 07:18 AM

Subject: RE: BS: Blair as EU President
From: ard mhacha
Date: 29 Oct 09 - 07:27 AM

I agree with all Ake says about this smarmy war criminal, imagine suffering this creep again, send him to Kabul.

Subject: RE: BS: Blair as EU President
From: Stu
Date: 29 Oct 09 - 07:51 AM

"Don....I am not referring to "Liberal Democrat"....the party, but "liberal democrat"....the excuse."

If you're talking about British politics then at least take the trouble couch it in British terms. Your pejorative use of the term 'liberal democrat' to describe B.Liar is utterly wrong. He's on the right-wing of a slightly right-of-centre party referred to these days as 'New Labour' to distinguish it from the old socialist party.

B.Lair is a neo-Thatcherite poodle of right-wing nutters like George Bush and would make a bloody awful EU president as he universally distrusted in the UK for siding with the US's war. He sold the country out to the capitalist money-men and took Thatcher's creed of self-interest to new levels.

The people he represents don't need to vote to make their voices heard; money is power in today's society.

Subject: RE: BS: Blair as EU President
From: akenaton
Date: 29 Oct 09 - 09:07 AM

You are wrong Jack.....the form of govt in use all over Western Europe is referred to as "liberal democratic". Liberals, Conservative, Labour, Welsh and Scottish Nats, even SF in Northern Ireland come under that banner.

In practice, Mr Blair is a very good example of a modern liberal democrat......a hypocrite and master manipulator.

The new leader of the EU should certainly be a woman....and untainted by the criminal chicanery of the last decade.....

Subject: RE: BS: Blair as EU President
From: skarpi
Date: 29 Oct 09 - 10:24 AM

Mr.Blair ppphhhúuúuuuuuuuuu

Subject: RE: BS: Blair as EU President
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 29 Oct 09 - 11:37 AM

Well he never did recant Joe, but he did convert to Roman Catholicism after he left office.
Now what can we deduce from that?

JM :)

Subject: RE: BS: Blair as EU President
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Oct 09 - 02:20 PM

God knows...

;-)

Wasn't his wife a Catholic? Maybe he did it to please her.

Subject: RE: BS: Blair as EU President
From: Paco O'Barmy
Date: 29 Oct 09 - 04:11 PM

Does anyone else remember when the EU was just 'european economic community'?EEC ie just a great way to trade within europe without economic barriers? What happened? I don't remember voting for a new caesar?

Subject: RE: BS: Blair as EU President
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Oct 09 - 04:48 PM

You won't remember voting for the next thing they come up with either, Paco...or the one after that. It's not about voting. It's not about removing economic barriers. It's about micro-management of society from the tippy top of the pyramid on down...regardless of what the general public really wants or thinks.

For a look at "the pyramid" in symbolic form, check out the backside of an American one dollar bill. It's right there in plain view, and it's a VERY old mystic symbol. They who rule see us. We don't see them...although we do seem some of their PR front men like Tony Blair.

Subject: RE: BS: Blair as EU President
From: ard mhacha
Date: 30 Oct 09 - 05:27 AM

Heartening news from to-days Guardian, the creep looks a likely candidate for the boot,
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/oct/29/tony-blair-european-council-presidency

Subject: RE: BS: Blair as EU President
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 30 Oct 09 - 08:20 AM

Nobody told me about this part,
They told me all about the pretty girls,
And the wine,
And the money,
And the good times,
There's no mention of,
All the wear and tear,
On an old honky tonker's heart,
Well I might of known it,
But nobody told me about this part

Subject: RE: BS: Blair as EU President
From: bubblyrat
Date: 30 Oct 09 - 05:54 PM

I can't STAND the smarmy ponce,and never could.I will happily take up arms in a revolution if A) Blair is elected to this rather dubious office and B) a suitable leader in such an enterrprise is forthcoming ( I am not terribly good at organising things personally,but I can shoot quite well ).

Subject: RE: BS: Blair as EU President
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 30 Oct 09 - 05:57 PM

Bubblyrat, yes indeed. And the first time I've wholeheartedly agreed with you! ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Blair as EU President
From: GUEST,bankley
Date: 30 Oct 09 - 08:31 PM

Now that he's an RC maybe he'll run for Pope...

Subject: RE: BS: Blair as EU President
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 Oct 09 - 09:24 PM

(chuckle)

Subject: RE: BS: Blair as EU President
From: Old Vermin
Date: 30 Oct 09 - 09:31 PM

To his credit, Blair made us feel nostalgic for John Major.

Subject: RE: BS: Blair as EU President
From: Rafflesbear
Date: 31 Oct 09 - 04:38 AM

You can only hope that when Brown recommended him he already knew he wasn't going to get it

Anybody else think that John Smith is the best Prime Minister we never had ?

Subject: RE: BS: Blair as EU President
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Nov 09 - 10:24 AM

Do not let Tony Blair Presedent at all costs, this man is a lier a
cheat and cannot be relied apon to in any way.Ron Dyer.

Subject: RE: BS: Blair as EU President
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 01 Nov 09 - 11:13 AM

Yes Raffles bear! I think John Smith was the best prime minister we never had, in fact I'd go so far as to say the only decent labour prime minister since Attlee.

And I'm a lifelong Tory.

Don T

Subject: RE: BS: Blair as EU President
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 01 Nov 09 - 11:15 AM

I don't know why you are all so worried.

Anyone who thinks that the French and the Germans would vote for the lying little oil slick is living in cloud cuckoo land.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Blair as EU President
From: Arnie
Date: 02 Nov 09 - 11:31 AM

I thought Blair was too busy solving the Arab/Israeli problems to stand for EU president. Or has he now become bored of that project? Is there anything tangible to show for the past 12 mths or so of Blair diplomacy in the Middle East? I suspect that he realises he's been completely sidelined by Obama's Middle East initiatives and so now needs a new toy to play with. As he's got no chance of the EU Presidency, maybe he'll have a go at solving climate change next? Then again, I think Al Gore is keeping that one for himself....

Subject: RE: BS: Blair as EU President
From: Rog Peek
Date: 02 Nov 09 - 12:00 PM

Mark Steel on 'Have I Got News For You':

.........The poor priest who had to take his (Tony Blair) confession "Oh, three bloody days and we've not even got to Iraq......".

Rog

Subject: RE: BS: Blair as EU President
From: ard mhacha
Date: 19 Nov 09 - 03:34 PM

Breathe easy Blair gets the boot,Herman Van Rumpuy the Belgium Prime Minister has been elected as the first President of the EU, Blair can now run for Pope.

Subject: RE: BS: Blair as EU President
From: GUEST,Falco
Date: 19 Nov 09 - 04:29 PM

A man stopped off at a country bar in Buckinghamshire and ordered a beer. Tony Blair appeared on the lunchtime television news talking about how he could do so much if he got the position as EU President. After a few sips, he looked up at the television and said, "see him, that has to be the biggest horse's ass of a man I've ever seen." A customer reading a paper at the end of the bar stood up, walked over to him, and decked him. He got up and gave himself a shake. Just then Cherie Blair appeared on the platform to hug Tony. the guy just couldn't keep his mouth closed "See her, that one is married to that creep and if you check her out from behind, She has an ass like a horse". This time, a woman walked over and kicked him in the privates. "F this!" the man said to himself, climbing up onto his feet. he said to the barman, "This is bloody Blair country isn't it!" "Nope," the barman replied. "Horse country!".

Subject: RE: BS: Blair as EU President
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 19 Nov 09 - 07:35 PM

Well, poor old Gordon deserved some good news, and Blair not getting this job is just that.

Subject: RE: BS: Blair as EU President
From: GUEST,Falco
Date: 20 Nov 09 - 09:21 AM

Baroness Ashton has been appointed to what is being called the post of EU foreign minister. Some are saying the ex model does not have enough experience for the post of EU high representative for foreign affairs and security.

Subject: RE: BS: Blair as EU President
From: Mrrzy
Date: 20 Nov 09 - 06:33 PM

Glad they picked nobody anybody knew, works best that way.

Subject: RE: BS: Blair as EU President
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 21 Nov 09 - 01:28 PM

Dunno where Falco got that stuff about "ex-model". She used to be on the staff of the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament many years ago, so that's something. But then Gordon Brown used to be a Socialist, so that kind of thing doesn't carry too much weight.

Subject: RE: BS: Blair as EU President
From: ard mhacha
Date: 21 Nov 09 - 04:25 PM

Baroness Ahton ex-model?, what was she modeling, masks.

Subject: RE: BS: Blair as EU President
From: Little Hawk
Date: 21 Nov 09 - 09:23 PM

Here's another good article by Eric Margolis...this one about Tony Blair as hypothetical president of the EU, and what Margolis thinks about that idea. ;-)

MR FLASH CRASHES
November 02, 2009
Henry Kissinger once sarcastically asked whom he should call in Europe if the world caught fire. However nasty, Henry the K was right. At the time, the EU had no recognizable chief.

That has been the EU's problem since birth. The EU's power and identity were fragmented between its vast, Kafkaesque Brussels bureaucracy, the European parliament in Strasbourg, the EU Council, and national governments.

Now, after a long, excruciating process of tightening governance and revising rules under the Lisbon Treaty, the 27-member EU is finally ready to name a powerful president. That is, if the Czechs drop their last-ditch opposition to the Lisbon Treaty because ratifying it could expose them to property claims by the descendants of three million Germans who were ethnically cleansed in the 1940's from Sudatenland.   

Alas, the EU is having trouble finding a respected, popular, supra-national leader. Many of its current political leaders are so bland and faceless that Europeans cannot even name them.

Unfortunately, Europe's most popular politician, Barack Obama, already has a job.

But just in time for Halloween, Britain's perennially smiling former prime minister, Tony Blair, rose wraithlike from the political grave.

Britain's current prime minister, Gordon Brown, is urging Blair be named EU president. So, discreetly, is Washington.

The glib Blair is light years ahead of any other European politician when it comes to name recognition, profile, and media glitz. Compared to Blair, the other candidates so far being considered for the EU presidency look like zombies.

Tony Blair remains a hero to many Americans.
But Blair is also widely despised, even hated, in much of Europe and Britain.    He still bears the curse of George W. Bush, on whose lap Blair sat for so long, wagging his tail.

Blair acted as a shill and facilitator for Bush's brazen aggression in Iraq. He is always defined as `America's best friend.' But a real friend would have tried to curb George Bush's aggressive instincts rather than acting as an artful propagandist and sycophant for the inarticulate, low IQ president.   

Prime Minister Blair also betrayed his Labour Party, the interests of Britain, and his former image as an honest politician.

Clare Short, a highly respected former British cabinet minister and MP, summed up Blair:      

"Blair's craven support for the extremism of US neoconservative foreign policy has exacerbated the danger of terrorism and the instability and suffering of the Middle East.
"He has dishonoured the UK, undermined the UN and international law and helped to make the world a more dangerous place."

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Many Britons and Europeans still see the unctuous   Blair as a creature of George Bush. Why he decided to facilitate Bush's illegal acts remains a mystery. Perhaps it was a misguided effort to pick up imperial crumbs from the American Raj. Perhaps generous donations from Blair's discreet neoconservative backers.

In the end, Blair got a lot of British soldiers killed for nothing – not to mention huge numbers of Iraqis and Afghans - and made his nation an enemy of the entire Muslim world.   

Britain's Labour Party returned the favor by shooting a poisoned arrow into Blair's back.   Last week, Former Home Secretary Charles Clarke warned Blair would wreck efforts to restore frayed British-EU relations. Britain's Conservatives warned of `war' with Europe if Blair became its leader.

Off in Brussels, the head of the European Parliament's Social Democrats said his bloc would veto Blair who had `turned his back on Europe over Iraq.'   Bush's war against Iraq, bitterly opposed by western Europe, may not have gone ahead without Blair's fulsome support.

Germany's re-elected Chancellor Angela Merkel and France's President, Nicholas Sarkozy, had reportedly favored Blair, who has spent a lot of time schmoozing these kingmakers.

But a senior Merkel aid just leaked that she could not bear `listening any more to Mr Flash.' Sarkozy just reverse course and came out against `my dear friend' Blair's candidacy. Au revoir Tony.

Nor have Europeans forgotten how Blair thwarted efforts to bring Britain into the Euro zone or integrate its defenses with the EU.

Blair continued Britain's traditional strategy of undermining European unity while pretending to be a supporter. Many saw Blair as a Trojan Horse for a US also intent on keeping Europe weak and divided. He came to symbolize the French stereotype of two-faced Britain as `Perfidious Albion.'

The three leading candidates for the EU presidency are Luxembourg Prime Minister, Jean-Claude Juncker, Dutch PM Jan Balkenende, and former Finnish MP, Paavo Lipponen are a triple yawn.   

But boring in politics may be a virtue. Most Swiss can't name their federal president, yet Switzerland runs like a…Swiss watch. Maybe a competent plodder is just what Europe needs. It certainly does not need any more of the undead Mr. Flash.

Copyright Eric S. Margolis 2009

Subject: RE: BS: Blair as EU President
From: ard mhacha
Date: 22 Nov 09 - 11:43 AM

Eric S Margolis more power to your writing, thanks for posting LH,the creep described to a tee, God help the US and its choice of friends.

Subject: RE: BS: Blair as EU President
From: akenaton
Date: 22 Nov 09 - 02:50 PM

"Clare Short, a highly respected former British cabinet minister and MP, summed up Blair:      

"Blair's craven support for the extremism of US neoconservative foreign policy has exacerbated the danger of terrorism and the instability and suffering of the Middle East.
"He has dishonoured the UK, undermined the UN and international law and helped to make the world a more dangerous place."

Dont be fooled, Mss Short, a typical "left wing" hypocrit in the mould of Diane Abbott, soon dumped her principles when offered a job in the Blair "War cabinet"

She did so at the worst possible time virtually sinking all hope that popular opinion in the UK could stop the messianic madman from dragging us into Iraq.....Ake

Subject: RE: BS: Blair as EU President
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Nov 09 - 04:50 PM

There's nothing like gifts of money and career advancement to get the canary to sing a different tune, is there?