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BS: Winter Solstice 2009

Jack Blandiver 20 Dec 09 - 04:27 PM
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Janie 21 Dec 09 - 12:57 AM
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Morticia 21 Dec 09 - 04:22 AM
Jack Blandiver 21 Dec 09 - 05:12 AM
Crow Sister (off with the fairies) 21 Dec 09 - 05:37 AM
Eric the Viking 21 Dec 09 - 05:50 AM
Jack Blandiver 21 Dec 09 - 07:09 AM
GUEST,Dani 21 Dec 09 - 08:25 AM
Crow Sister (off with the fairies) 21 Dec 09 - 08:27 AM
theleveller 21 Dec 09 - 08:43 AM
Phot 21 Dec 09 - 10:31 AM
Bryn Pugh 21 Dec 09 - 10:44 AM
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Subject: BS: Winter Solstice 2009
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 20 Dec 09 - 04:27 PM

Winter Solstice 2009 - Monday 21st December 17.47 GMT.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter Solstice 2009
From: SINSULL
Date: 20 Dec 09 - 04:30 PM

The longest night of the year. Then comes the light and summer.
Blessed be,
SINS


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter Solstice 2009
From: gnu
Date: 20 Dec 09 - 04:38 PM

Blessed Solstice and renewed life to all.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter Solstice 2009
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 20 Dec 09 - 04:50 PM

Cor how nicely err factual SO'P! Wot no Green Man?

Have a nice 17.47 GMT. all.. :)


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter Solstice 2009
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 20 Dec 09 - 05:58 PM

As chronic SAD sufferer that's all I need to know, CS - even though in the solar axis the solstice actually marks the beginning of Winter, but it's the darkness that affects me most - and fecking Christmas of course, which is a complete pain in the nads. I might ride along on a vaguely festive vibe for most of advent but after the solstice I'm reach for the Sun Ra for a real cosmic blast of unholy renewal!

Green Man? Why not - here's a pip: St.Margaret's, Kings Lynn, June 2008

Bright Moments!


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter Solstice 2009
From: Mrrzy
Date: 20 Dec 09 - 06:02 PM

Remember the light! Merry midwinter, peace and love!


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter Solstice 2009
From: Cats
Date: 20 Dec 09 - 07:07 PM

Yule tide and Solstice blessings.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter Solstice 2009
From: AllisonA(Animaterra)
Date: 20 Dec 09 - 08:59 PM

The Shortest Day, by Susan Cooper

Joy, health, love and peace to you all.

Allison


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter Solstice 2009
From: GUEST,solstice boy
Date: 20 Dec 09 - 11:47 PM

its my birthday.

Better make the most of it because apparently according to some old folk myth
[now a major Hollywood Movie}
the world is going to end and we will all die horribly on my birthday after next ?


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter Solstice 2009
From: Janie
Date: 21 Dec 09 - 12:57 AM

Happy birthday solstice boy.

And Blessed Be to All.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter Solstice 2009
From: Catherine Jayne
Date: 21 Dec 09 - 03:22 AM

Yuletide Greetings!

Bright Blessings everyone.

Here is a LINK   to the Yule Log and Holly King Cake I have made!


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter Solstice 2009
From: Morticia
Date: 21 Dec 09 - 04:22 AM

My favourite day of the year. Bright Blessings to all, Merry Solstice.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter Solstice 2009
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 21 Dec 09 - 05:12 AM

Just found the rest of my pics from our June 2008 jaunt to Kings Lynn. Here's another: King's Lynn, St. Margaret's, June 2008. The 14th-century stalls are rich with so-called Green Men - as is the rest of the church, with some fine stone carvings too & related merry rustic rudery on the screens - such as THIS, THIS, and THIS. The website for Saint Margaret's is HERE, though for their woodwork they redirect you to the Green Man East Anglia website which, unfortunately, perpetuates the usual guff such as Western Paganism defines the Green Man as the symbol of godhood within the male as well as the symbol of life, death and rebirth... and its relationship with the transcendent life-force, the goddess, the female expression of the godhead and symbol of the forces of nature that are under threat from mankind's increasing impact upon planet Earth etc. A great shame that this amazing church should so wilfully associate itself with such self-evident fakelore! Well worth a visit if you're passing.

However, my favourite of all the Kings Lynn Green Men we saw that day can be found in the chapel of Saint Nicholas. The picture I took defines the purity of the moment which resonates on this day especially; sunlight on the anciently carved wood in which nature & humanity are juxtaposed in what remains an enduring mystery. Long may it remain so!

Kings Lynn, Saint Nicolas, June 2008


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter Solstice 2009
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 21 Dec 09 - 05:37 AM

"Western Paganism defines the Green Man as the symbol of godhood within the male as well as the symbol of life, death and rebirth... and its relationship with the transcendent life-force, the goddess, the female expression of the godhead and symbol of the forces of nature that are under threat from mankind's increasing impact upon planet Earth etc. A great shame that this amazing church should so wilfully associate itself with such self-evident fakelore!"

What they state, is however correct - that is how (modern) Western Paganism 'defines' it. And as most people tend to assume such neo-Pagan theology as fact, it's appropriate to comment on it.
If commenting on it, it would however - by way of disambiguation - be much more worthwhile for them to make it clear that such popularly accepted appropriation by modern neo-Paganism is purely *theological* in nature, and that such modern religious interpretations have nothing to do with genuine history or folk-lore. Any more than say, Mormon interpretations might.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter Solstice 2009
From: Eric the Viking
Date: 21 Dec 09 - 05:50 AM

On orkney today, cold, snow and no sunrise....shame. Overcast. we have had some beautiful winter solstices in the past.

Some live camera action taking place HERE. Enjoy from the Kingdom of the Vikings.

http://www.maeshowe.co.uk/


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter Solstice 2009
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 21 Dec 09 - 07:09 AM

What they state, is however correct

Indeed, but Modern Western Paganism is founded on the belief that what they are dealing with has an ancient pre-Christian provenance and that such hoary & archaic imagery as the Green Man, so called, is a part of that provenance. No Pagan or Wiccan I've ever met takes kindly to being told that what they believe is a fakeloric fantasy no older than a century or so - and considerably less so in the case of their precious Green Man. However, Neo-Pagans can believe whatever they like - what really irks me is the Anglican custodians of our medieval churches who would pass off their priceless foliate heads as being pagan, rather than contextualise them as an essential part of the culture & theology of the Pre-Reformation Roman Catholic Church that built them in the first place. A sad and alarming state of affairs.

Anyway, just found another shot I took of the Arm-rest from St.Nicholas', Kings Lynn, June 2008


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter Solstice 2009
From: GUEST,Dani
Date: 21 Dec 09 - 08:25 AM

Warm thoughts to all. Enjoy the hunkering down, the resting and gathering strength. Now, we get our warmth from each other for a while!

Dani


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter Solstice 2009
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 21 Dec 09 - 08:27 AM

Anyone doing anything interesting today?


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter Solstice 2009
From: theleveller
Date: 21 Dec 09 - 08:43 AM

I lik to celebrate the Winter Solstice by standing under the massive willow in our garden and singing this song that I wrote a few years ago

The Willow in Winter

Silent stands the weeping willow
Now that summer's song has gone
With the birds who all fly south for winter
To cheer new lovers with their songs.
And the fallen leaves now form a carpet
Where autumn scents still linger on
Then the wind disperses like our memories;
Precious hopes that now are flown.

You stand beneath the naked branches,
Arms outstretched in the crystal air
And glance between the dangling fingers
That gently brush your golden hair,
Waiting for the days of pleasure
When love, like spring, is perfect bliss
And beneath the clothes of summer's grandeur
The body craves a lover's kiss.

When days are short and nights are darkest
The moon her silver mantle spreads,
Casting over trees and mortals
The freezing cloth that passion dreads.
Still stands the willow in the moonlight,
Still as death through snow and rain,
Waiting for the breath of springtime
When love, like life, is born again.

Blessings.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter Solstice 2009
From: Phot
Date: 21 Dec 09 - 10:31 AM

Here's to looking forward to the light. Bright Blessings to all.

Wassail!! Chris and Fiona


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter Solstice 2009
From: Bryn Pugh
Date: 21 Dec 09 - 10:44 AM

To all our friends on the 'Cat -

Love, Blessings and Greetings of Yule.

Blessed Be.

Sweeney - I have posted before today that I am well aware - as is my High Priestess, and the Maiden - that our Wiccan beliefs may well have originated in the fantasies of the likes of Gerald Brosseau Gardner, and those of

Alex Sanders (whom I knew well, and knew what a joker he could be).

Does this make them any less valid ?

As for the Wicca being pre-Christian (f*ck me - I actually used a capital - I must be tired) how would I, or indeed any other Wiccan, know ?

For that matter, how do you know it is not, and how do you know, as you frequently asssert, that my faith is based on "fakelore" ?

I think it's time you got back under the rickety-rackety bridge, before I fetch Great Big Billy Goat Gruff to you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter Solstice 2009
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 21 Dec 09 - 10:56 AM

Ahh, Leveller is that one for your Mrs? I'm sure she has 'golden hair' from some of the bits I've seen you put up online. Willows are amazingly atmospheric trees though, very feminine feel - no wonder they traditionally come under the governance of the Moon.

Otherwise I'm a bit disappointed - as there's no dry wood for the bonfire! Loads of wet wood though...


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter Solstice 2009
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 21 Dec 09 - 11:04 AM

"As for the Wicca being pre-Christian"

As an aside, the current (exoteric) Wiccan formulation of 'immanent spirituality' as forged by Gardener et al is (I believe) modern - while the heretical (esoteric) Spirit which animates it - is certainly an ongoing tradition..

Wicca is IMO, very much IMO "a finger pointing to the Moon" as indeed any mystical tradition, or religion is.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter Solstice 2009
From: theleveller
Date: 21 Dec 09 - 11:28 AM

"Ahh, Leveller is that one for your Mrs?"

Yes it is, but also for the willow and the moon goddess. The willow branches come right to the ground and make a sort of bower. We often sit under the canopy and watch the moon shining between the branches.

For yout fire, get some firelighters and start with small twigs – even wet wood can usually catch that way.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter Solstice 2009
From: ClaireBear
Date: 21 Dec 09 - 11:48 AM

My son and I like to sing "Sun a-Rise" at sunrise, but both we and the sky are shrouded in fog today so we didn't.

It's not too late, though, for my other midwinter ritual, a performance of this recitation as spoken by Marilyn Whirlwind as part of a Christmas pageant in the television series Northern Exposure.

"A long time ago, the Raven looked down from the sky and saw that the people of the world were living in darkness.

"The ball of light was kept hidden by a selfish old chief.

"So the Raven turned himself into a spruce needle and floated on the river where the chief's daughter came for water.

"She drank the spruce needle. She became pregnant and gave birth to a boy -- which was the Raven in disguise.

"The baby cried and cried until the chief gave him the ball of light to play with.

"As soon as he had the light, the Raven turned back into himself and carried the light into the sky.

"From then on, we no longer live in darkness."

Bright blessings, everyone.

Claire


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter Solstice 2009
From: katlaughing
Date: 21 Dec 09 - 12:03 PM

Claire, thanks for posting that! I love it and loved the show, but didn't remember that.

Light, Life, Love and Blessings to all. Merry, Merry Solstice!

luvyakat


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter Solstice 2009
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 21 Dec 09 - 12:05 PM

Bloody hell, Bryn - is there any need for such nastiness??

I started this thread to point to the simple astronomical fact that we reach solstice point today at 17.47 GMT and everyone starts coming all spiritual. All I'm bothered about the beginning of a new solar year to which is attached no spiritual significance whatsoever because there is nothing mystical, sacred or holy about it. It is a turning point in our calendar, a material fact which affects the entire planet and every person on it regardless of age, faith, creed, ethnicity or gender. It is a good reason for us all to smile, to look forward; and it happens today, separate from the other cultural & religious associations of Xmas and New Year which might, arguably, be echoes of solstitial observances from ages past, but underlying it all is an ancient astronomical fact which, stripped of all the accumulated religious hoo-hah, is still a bloody good reason to be cheerful. For here the year turns, and, although Winter begins in earnest, we will watch the days steadily getting longer until we reach the vernal equinox (20th March 2010, 17.32 GMT) after which point the days be longer than the nights. Believe what you must, faith is subjective, but facts are facts - the objective glory that unites us all in one glorious commonality of humanity, which is what I'm thinking about right now - just one of the bunch - as each & every one of us are, circling the sun on the spaceship earth, destination unknown!

I look up out of my window to see the new moon in perfect alignment with whatever that star / planet is up there just now; both filtering through the twilight in suitable glory. There's only one song that'll do!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNzzBXuxJ5w


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter Solstice 2009
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 21 Dec 09 - 12:08 PM

Sun Arise? Good one. I came across a belter a few months back:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PylJkN9FEoU

Seemingly the line about fluttering her skirts is due to the sun being a female deity in Aboriginal mythology.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter Solstice 2009
From: Maryrrf
Date: 21 Dec 09 - 12:13 PM

I saw that star/planet too last night - what is it?

Happy Solstice, everybody!


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter Solstice 2009
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 21 Dec 09 - 12:18 PM

I think it must the Planet Gong, putting in an initial appearance before the big one in 2032

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pw8ZESzpL3M


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter Solstice 2009
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 21 Dec 09 - 12:18 PM

"and everyone starts coming all spiritual."

Oh, SO'P - knowing (as you well do) that modern Pagans treat the Solstice as a Holy Day - you're taken aback at this turn of events?
Mmm! Itchy chin?

To each there own, eh? Whether it be SAD grumps or Holly King sacrifice thingummies?

Actually, anyone care to impart the Wiccan ritual story for the dark half of the year?


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter Solstice 2009
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 21 Dec 09 - 12:20 PM

This is my (our) 46th wedding anniversary, dating from December 21, 1963.

My beautiful bride and I picked the longest night of the year. No fools, we!

Dave Oesterreich


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter Solstice 2009
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 21 Dec 09 - 12:21 PM

ISB's 'Waltz of the Moon' was lovely btw!
I might even learn it to add to my traditional ritual pagan repertoire...


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter Solstice 2009
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 21 Dec 09 - 12:26 PM

To each their own, eh?

Exactly - the Solstice is for every single one of us...


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter Solstice 2009
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 21 Dec 09 - 12:35 PM

"the Solstice is for every single one of us..."

Yes, one can take it as an astronomical given - and make symbolically or ceremonially of it, what one will.

Though in fact, I'd probably be far more inclined to say the same thing about Christmas itself ironically (by way of simple observation of the cultural reality of the thing) as there's much more emphasis on the secular aspects of the Christmas Holiday, than there is on the sacred - which is fine by me likewise.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter Solstice 2009
From: Amos
Date: 21 Dec 09 - 12:52 PM

I don't quite see why spirituality should be tied down (with badly-made knots) to any spacetime clock whether sidereal, local, hour-glass or steam-driven.

Dancing with icons is amusing, no doubt, but it doesn't strike me as any more spiritual in a true sense than, say, reading Batman comics or dreaming about Corridus the Giant Hamster.



A


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter Solstice 2009
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 21 Dec 09 - 01:04 PM

"it doesn't strike me as any more spiritual in a true sense than, say, reading Batman comics"

I'd be inclined to say intent is all here. Krishnamurti worshiped pebbles as a part of his observance of the indwelling sacred essence of all creation.. Choices may be intellectually experimental and arbitrary or socially determined and symbolically fitting depending on one's inner impulse, but there is certainly a coalescence of (symbolic?) intent which fascinates me where the human spiritual impulse is concerned. And for all it's flaws I love the neo-Pagan movement. I could (almost, but sadly never will) fit in there..

So, focal points like the Solstice, have ever attracted our religious interest. As indeed do all 'awe inspiring' events - and probably rightly so! Who am I to contend that impulse - it's certainly no less real than the one to take a beloved Bride to bed during the longest night (thanks for that btw Oesterich - a lovely personal contribution there).


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter Solstice 2009
From: alanabit
Date: 21 Dec 09 - 04:43 PM

The bright planet up there is probably Saturn, which has been moving from West to South over the past few months.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter Solstice 2009
From: alanabit
Date: 21 Dec 09 - 04:44 PM

Sorry, that should have been from East to South...


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter Solstice 2009
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 21 Dec 09 - 04:56 PM

I think it might be Jupiter...


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter Solstice 2009
From: GUEST,solstice boy
Date: 21 Dec 09 - 09:26 PM

... and its my birthday !!!

so I managed to get through another Dec 21
without the local old wiccy waccy hippy wimmin sacrificing me to their ancient pagan love gods
in lurid blood-soaked nude orgiastic ritual worship rites...


.. actually I stayed in at home all night and had fish & chips and a bottle of Tesco wine,
and watched the telly..


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter Solstice 2009
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 22 Dec 09 - 04:13 AM

.. actually I stayed in at home all night and had fish & chips and a bottle of Tesco wine,
and watched the telly..


My kind of night, SB - though I'm off the fish & ships on doctors orders. A lot more spiritually rewarding than worshipping pebbles I would have thought, which is pure pseud...


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter Solstice 2009
From: Bryn Pugh
Date: 22 Dec 09 - 04:54 AM

Well, Sweeney, I'm sorry that you took my post as nasty.

It is very difficult to convey irony, and "tongue in cheek" in the written word. However, you being hyper-sensitive, you probably wouldn't recognise either if they bit you on the arse.

Happy Christmas.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter Solstice 2009
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 22 Dec 09 - 06:29 AM

Hyper-sensitive, Bryn? That's pretty rich coming from someone who hands out Troll Tickets just because of a discussion on the somewhat wobbly foundations of Neo-Paganism & Wicca.

Hope you had a jolly one anyway; nice & white anyway - here in Fleetwood it's the whitest it's been for over thirty years (according my elderly neighbour) as winter begins in earnest.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter Solstice 2009
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 22 Dec 09 - 09:35 AM

well we were late celebrating as we were stuck in 4 hours snow storm induced traffic jam yesterday evening.

So late around 10:45 pm we decorated a little log with holly and tinsel. Each of us (5) lit a candle and made a personal wish. Shared a cup of wine (grape juice because I wasn't feeling too great). We then re-enacted the killing of the Holly King of past year by the Oak king this year using wooden spoon and spatula.

Then exchanged gifts. It was good.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter Solstice 2009
From: katlaughing
Date: 22 Dec 09 - 10:04 AM

It has been the tradition around here for someone who views the solstice from a symbolic, spiritual standpoint to start a Solstice greetings thread each year. Though anyone is welcome to their opinion, etc. it saddens me to see that diminished by this thread and the original poster.

We had a quiet night. I read out the raven piece posted above by Claire (thanks, again)and looked up at the very dark, cloudy sky.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter Solstice 2009
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 22 Dec 09 - 10:40 AM

"We then re-enacted the killing of the Holly King of past year by the Oak king this year using wooden spoon and spatula."

Would I be correct in guessing who played the poor old sacrificed Holly King? And is his relationship with his son-in-law/ish err still OK?


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter Solstice 2009
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 22 Dec 09 - 11:06 AM

It was Simon (TSO's daughter's partner) and Lunarfairy (my daughter) as Holly and Oak respectively. Lunarfairy got to employ her stage combat skills.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter Solstice 2009
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 22 Dec 09 - 04:16 PM

What a load of nonsense.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter Solstice 2009
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 22 Dec 09 - 04:37 PM

Yo, Bozo!


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter Solstice 2009
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 23 Dec 09 - 03:46 AM

and exactly what isn't nonsensical about putting up a christmas tree, decorating it with a bunch of plastic and electric tat, buying and wrapping a load of shite most people don't want, eating a load of rich food that eventually makes you sick, drinking too much, doing lip service at parties, church services and school nativities and such?

for the sake of what, exactly?

itsa matter of perspective, innit?


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter Solstice 2009
From: theleveller
Date: 23 Dec 09 - 04:14 AM

Ah, Boko, I expect you'll be watching a bunch of gormless twats on horses belting a ball around with mallets. Very sensible!


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter Solstice 2009
From: Bryn Pugh
Date: 23 Dec 09 - 04:44 AM

VT -
BB

In my "den" at home I have a beautiful 'statue' (for want of better term) of a Hare, in front of which we burn incense, and light a tea light, to honour Andrasta, the Hare Goddess. The Hare, in our Islands, is the shape shifter.

When queried (and criticised) about this by civilised christian friends, my retort is :

"Is it any weirder than burning candles in front of plaster statues ?"

Joy, Health, Love and Peace. Bryn


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter Solstice 2009
From: theleveller
Date: 23 Dec 09 - 05:22 AM

I love the hare – we have a plaster cast of a hare gazing up into the sky on the veranda, a plaque with the well-known three hares in a circle motif by the front door and a super woodcut by Andrew Waddington, based on the hare and moon legend, on the dining room wall.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter Solstice 2009
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 23 Dec 09 - 05:50 AM

The Hare, in our Islands, is the shape shifter.

My personal Shamanic Hare totem is the Hare - remaining from my Pagan Daze although the nearest I get to material veneration is our Antique Reed & Barton Hare Bowl which is presently filled with nuts. The effect is quite neat actually, especially in conjunction with our spiffing new squirrel nut-cracker.

Might I direct you to my new recording of The Names of the Hare, which is currently track 2 on my Myspace Page. This is self-accompanied on my medieval hare harp - reconstructed by Tim Hobrough from an old manuscript in which a hare is playing such an instrument. My Hare Bible was always the Leaping Hare by George Ewart Evans and David Thomson (from which comes both The Names of the Hare, and From the Hare to the Hunter which features as part of JATZ). I might not agree with every word of it, but it still has pride of place on my bookshelves right next to other treasured Faber-lore - such as The White Goddess and The Faber Book of Popular Verse, and the rest of George Ewart Evans library, natch.

Touching base in Glastonbury back in the summer it seems Hares are suddenly big news in the pagan community, though they haven't as yet made much of an impact as yet in the pagan shops up this way. Especially fashionable is The Tinners' Rabbits / Three Hares device which is attracting all sorts of rumour & speculation. We were in Devon back in the summer too and made a special point of visiting as many of the Three Hare churches as possible - our favourite being St. Andrews at Sampford Courteney. I haven't as yet got any of our images on-line but see HERE for a selection of the beautiful roof-bosses, including a very splendid Green Christ. For more see Chris Chapman's amazing photography at The Three Hares Project


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter Solstice 2009
From: theleveller
Date: 23 Dec 09 - 06:09 AM

"We were in Devon back in the summer too and made a special point of visiting as many of the Three Hare churches as possible "

There's an unusual one in Selby Abbey that has four hares rather than the usual three, as Chris Chapman's picture here shows.

http://www.chrischapmanphotography.co.uk/hares/page3.htm


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter Solstice 2009
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 23 Dec 09 - 06:24 AM

Indeed. I've seen many 3-Hare examples throughout the UK, both ancient & modern, but the elusive one remains the floor tile in Chester Chathedral which no one seems to know the location of! Here's what Mercia MacDermott has to say anyway (including image of the Chester hares):

http://www.hoap.co.uk/3rabbits.htm

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I have a plan to make a 3-Hare papier-mache light bowl based on some of the more rustic Devon bosses, such as South Tawton et al.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter Solstice 2009
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 23 Dec 09 - 10:11 AM

Here's my antique Reed & Barton Hare Bowl full of Xmas cheer!

Hare Bowl Hazel Nut Wassail - 23-12-09

Not the squirrel nut-cracker too; they're about £9 from Sainsbury's right now - they will grace any Xmas coffee table & no finer a cracker for hazel nuts...


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter Solstice 2009
From: theleveller
Date: 23 Dec 09 - 12:12 PM

That's great. The question is, will it crack the almonds? I can't even crack the ones from my tree with a hammer


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter Solstice 2009
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 23 Dec 09 - 01:00 PM

He cracks them all - almonds, brasils, walnuts; nae bother!


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter Solstice 2009
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 23 Dec 09 - 01:03 PM

That should be Note the squirrel nutcracker - which is £8 (three for the price o' two) at Sainsbury's. Highly recommended - efficient, beautiful & a joy to use...


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