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Subject: RE: BS: Repubs to Unemployed: Tough Sh*t???
From: beardedbruce
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 04:46 PM

"that he is "only interested" in fulfilling the duties of his current office, but he sure is spending a lot of time, and raising a LOT of money, flying around the country to collect nice fat fees "

You mean like Obama did? HOW DARE HE!


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Subject: RE: BS: Repubs to Unemployed: Tough Sh*t???
From: Amos
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 04:53 PM

"WASHINGTON, March 1 (Reuters) - Unemployment benefits for hundreds of thousands of jobless people ran out on Monday and highway programs across the United States suspended work after a Republican lawmaker prevented their renewal.

As Democrats in Congress sought to bring down the 9.7 percent unemployment rate, favored methods such as highway construction and jobless aid faced disruption after Republican Senator Jim Bunning blocked a short-term extension on the grounds that it would add to the deficit.

Democrats vowed to renew the provisions to minimize bureaucratic disruption and resume jobless payments to the 400,000 people who would otherwise lose them this month.

They also used the delay to criticize other Republican procedural roadblocks that have disrupted Democratic initiatives.

"It is a stark example of the kind of abuse we're seeing from Republicans," said Representative Chris Van Hollen, a member of House of Representatives Democratic leadership.

In the Senate, Democrats took up a job-creation package that would extend unemployment benefits for a year, help states cover spiraling healthcare costs, and renew a popular package of tax breaks that expired at the end of 2009.

A vote on the package, which likely will cost more than $100 billion, could take place this week.

House Democrats struggled to round up enough votes to pass a $15 billion package of tax cuts and highway spending that has cleared the Senate.

"I think we'll get the votes," House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer told Reuters in a telephone interview.

MODIFICATION POSSIBLE

Hoyer must win over black lawmakers who say the Senate bill is too paltry, and fiscal conservatives who say it violates budget rules. He suggested that it may be modified to satisfy those concerns.

Democrats say job creation is their top legislative priority this year as they nervously eye the November elections that could imperil their control of Congress.

Their effort has so far been hampered by Republican tactics, a record-setting snowstorm and tensions between the two chambers of Congress.

Bunning was the lone lawmaker of either party to object to a temporary extension while lawmakers work on more permanent solutions. Senate rules permit any member to hold up legislation.

His objection means that some 400,000 jobless people could lose their unemployment benefits this month and thousands of families could lose the federal health-insurance subsidies, according to the Labor Department.

It furloughs 2,000 federal highway workers without pay and shuts down construction projects across the country, according to the Transportation Department.

It also slashes pay to doctors who see patients under Medicare, the federal health program for the elderly...."

It is so nice he is standing up for principles for once. Maybe electing a Democratic president brought him to a New Awareness of his Conscience which had hitherto been dormant. If so we should do it more often.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Repubs to Unemployed: Tough Sh*t???
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 07:14 PM

Unfortunately, this is how they like em in my ol Home State. Rednecked and self-righteous. Bunning and McConnell... what a pair of slimeballs.


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Subject: RE: BS: Repubs to Unemployed: Tough Sh*t???
From: Bobert
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 07:38 PM

Well, apparently Jim Bunning ain't done yet... NBC reported a while ago that Gentleman Jim flipped the bird to a reporter who was trying to ask him a question??? Me thinks that the guy has some "organic issues" going on associated with the aging process...

But back to an assertion by michaelr about bothe parties being one of the same, 'er something close to that... Well, seems that we have a real difference in ideologies emerging between the two which is probably a good thing...

Now that the Repubs have found themselves out of power they have carved out the "small governement, lower taxes and less regulation" ground to defend... Seesm that this happens every time they are out of power and then they get back in and it's full-bore-ahead as they spend wrecklessly and grow the governement like only they can... Going back since Nixon this has been the case...

So now here we are back to the same old arguments and positions except this time the Repubs really do own the media lock, stock and barrel and have plenty of corporations to throw in unlimited cash to beat back the "regulators"... This is what this is all about folks... The Repubs want no rules for the so-called "free market" and plenty of rules for the working folks, especially women... The Dems say, "Hey, we've seen this movie and the ending sucks" but the Dems just don't have the media access that thr Repubs do so...

...Boss Hog wins and the bottom 95% lose...

And the beat goes on...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Repubs to Unemployed: Tough Sh*t???
From: michaelr
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 08:01 PM

...back to an assertion by michaelr about bothe parties being one of the same, 'er something close to that... Well, seems that we have a real difference in ideologies emerging between the two...

They want you to think that. You yourself posted the answer in your very next paragraph. The political theater is part of the distraction so anyone asking hard questions - like "what really happened on 9-11" - or questioning the centralized control of the federal government - can be labeled "lunatic fringe".


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Subject: RE: BS: Repubs to Unemployed: Tough Sh*t???
From: mousethief
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 08:17 PM

Anybody asking what really happened on 9-11 *IS* the lunatic fringe. If you can look at what is going on, right now, and say that revisiting 9-11 should be given any energy at all, you've got three and one fourths screw loose.


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Subject: RE: BS: Repubs to Unemployed: Tough Sh*t???
From: michaelr
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 08:22 PM

If you could keep an open mind for a minute or two, you should look at the Architects and Engineers for 9-11 Truth site. There is no way you can just call all these scientifically trained professionals "nuts" and be done with it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Repubs to Unemployed: Tough Sh*t???
From: katlaughing
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 10:59 PM

Their intent is to return this country to a feudal state: masses of the poor, controlled by a very few overlords.

There has never been an aristocracy as such in the USA. To say "they" want it to return to a feudal state is not accurate. It never was a "feudal state."


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Subject: RE: BS: Repubs to Unemployed: Tough Sh*t???
From: michaelr
Date: 02 Mar 10 - 02:07 AM

You're being literal, kat. I was speaking metaphorically.


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Subject: RE: BS: Repubs to Unemployed: Tough Sh*t???
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 02 Mar 10 - 03:34 AM

Apparently some here don't understand that the US Senate has its own rules, different than the House, and neither house follows "Robert's Rules of Order."

Bunning is using the threat of a fillibuster, which simply allows any single Senator to speak until that single Senator chooses to quit talking. A Fillibuster privilege can be declared by any single senator.

It requires a unanimous vote of the Senate to block a fillibuster, and as long as the ONE SINGLE SENATOR who demanded the privilege refuses to agree, there can't be a unanimous vote.

The alternative, despite anything anyone other than that one Senator can do, requires a minimum of four days before any action allowed under the Senate's own rules can occur.

Bunning knows he doesn't have the votes to "win," and his only purpose is to delay passage of the needed temporary funding long enough to cause a (temporary) collapse of the programs needing the funds. He purposefully declared his intent to Fillibuster late enough that it cannot be overturned by any measures "legal" under Senate rules in time to prevent delay of passage of the temporary funding past the existing expiration date.

Once the programs are shut down due to the lack of funds, it will take several weeks to re-start them, at an additional cost that is a large fraction of the funds the temporary funding action should have provided to begin with, so under the pretense of concern about the amount of the expenditures Bunning is single-handedly forcing an increase some estimate at 30% of what the funding bill would have provided.

The most optimistic assessment, from a commentator picked at random, is:

Senate reform, however, could have no better friend than Bunning. Last year, ending the filibuster was a quixotic blogger obsession. Now it's the subject of a petition by the Senate majority whip. Former Republican majority leader Bill Frist says his colleagues are "overdoing" the filibuster. This is how change begins, and without Bunning making clear exactly what the problem is, it would be impossible.

The fillibuster rule is an archaic and destructive "gimmick" that has been used almost exclusively for political purposes destructive to the good of the country and should have been abandoned long ago. (An opinion I believe is shared by most who have looked at what it's done to us - except perhaps for a very few power-crazed Senators.)

John


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Subject: RE: BS: Repubs to Unemployed: Tough Sh*t???
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Mar 10 - 07:48 AM

Wow, even the folks at Mornin' Joe, a Republican leaning morning political talk show, have been less than kind to one of their own this morning in coming up just short of using the "h word", as in hypocrit, in talking about Bunning...


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Subject: RE: BS: Repubs to Unemployed: Tough Sh*t???
From: michaelr
Date: 02 Mar 10 - 07:40 PM

Seems the bunny has relented.


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Subject: RE: BS: Repubs to Unemployed: Tough Sh*t???
From: mousethief
Date: 02 Mar 10 - 07:48 PM

Agree, JohnInKansas. The filibuster used to be used once in a blue moon. It's been used dozens of times in the past year. Something has gone seriously wrong. Time to kill it.

O..O
=o=


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Subject: RE: BS: Repubs to Unemployed: Tough Sh*t???
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Mar 10 - 08:05 PM

Actually, mouser, it has been used over a hundred times in the last year but...

...who's countin', right???

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Repubs to Unemployed: Tough Sh*t???
From: catspaw49
Date: 02 Mar 10 - 08:23 PM

Yeah mouse, I agree.....but how many actual filibusters have there beenately?

This "intent" thing is crap. Let them go ahead with a real old timey filibuster and let's see if that doesn't get a rise out of the populace.   The Repubs say they are giving "Intent" and the Dems run off and hide. You say you're going to do it.....GO FOR IT ASSHOLE!!!!! Let's see how many folks like things being impeded while someone reads the phone book.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Repubs to Unemployed: Tough Sh*t???
From: Amos
Date: 02 Mar 10 - 08:31 PM

"awmakers have reached an agreement to end the one-man filibuster by Sen. Jim Bunning, R-Ky., that has blocked an extension of health and unemployment benefits since last week.

The Senate will take a series of votes Tuesday night, culminating in a final vote on the $10 billion bill. The legislation would provide a 30-day extension of federal employment benefits for the unemployed as well as a 65% subsidy to help people who have lost their job pay for health insurance under the COBRA program.

Bunning has argued that the measure should be paid for, which it currently is not. He had previously suggested using leftover money from the economic stimulus bill. On Tuesday, he said he would support a Democratic proposal to end a bio-fuel tax credit for "black liquor," a byproduct of the paper making process, which budget analysts have predicted could save $24 billion over 10 years.

"We cannot keep adding to the debt and passing the buck," Bunning said. "What matters is that we get our spending problems under control."

Throughout the day Tuesday, Democrats had been threatening to keep the Senate open all night, a move that would have forced Bunning to remain on the floor if he wanted to continue to block the measure.    "


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Subject: RE: BS: Repubs to Unemployed: Tough Sh*t???
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Mar 10 - 08:47 PM

Well, first of all, I'm with Spawzer....

"So you wanta fillibuster??? Bring it on???"

As fir Bunnin??? He has become the darling of the Tea Party... He is their man and expect more and more of his one man wrecking crew until his term is up...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Repubs to Unemployed: Tough Sh*t???
From: fumblefingers
Date: 02 Mar 10 - 09:01 PM

How many times and for how long, do you reckon, should unemployment benefits be extended?


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Subject: RE: BS: Repubs to Unemployed: Tough Sh*t???
From: mousethief
Date: 02 Mar 10 - 09:15 PM

Take the money from the bank fatcat bastards who got us into this mess and are making huge bonuses on our backs, and continue the benefits until the economy -- including employment -- turns around.

O..O
=o=


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Subject: RE: BS: Repubs to Unemployed: Tough Sh*t???
From: Bobert
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 08:10 AM

Yeah, I'd have to agree with ya', mouser...

The main argument back in 2001 for the tax cuts which went heavily toward the wealthyt is that they would invest that money in creating jobs for the rest of us... Well, that clearly didn't happen... They just bought bigger houses and boats with it... Building houses and boats, while it produces some short term employement for those who build them, is not creating jobs in the long run...

The tax cuts haven't done what the wealthy said they would... Let the tax cuts expire and use that money for the unemployed...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Repubs to Unemployed: Tough Sh*t???
From: katlaughing
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 09:09 AM

Instead of a Middle Class, we have a Credit Class...and now many suffer for it. If folks could get to the point of living within their means, the usurers would lose their stranglehold and the power of the people would make a dent.


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Subject: RE: BS: Repubs to Unemployed: Tough Sh*t???
From: Amos
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 11:03 AM

That's something has to happen one household at a time. We have never carried Credit Card debt -- we pay the balance in full each month. Even a hasty analysis of the math shows you why--it is a poisonous drain that enslaves you. If you can't afford something without using a credit card, you sure can't afford the credit card debt, either.

Obviously some emergenices have to be handled, but as a general rule best to pay 'em off and never use them for credit past the end of the month.


A


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