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Subject: RE: BS: Football ... poor old England ... From: alanabit Date: 08 Apr 10 - 05:04 AM It is no longer possible to win a major international tournament without surviving a penalty shoot out. Unless England practise this properly, their early departure is assured even if they play against teams of lesser ability. Most likely they will go out to Germany in the second round. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Football ... poor old England ... From: The Sandman Date: 07 Apr 10 - 08:18 AM Ithink england have afaidly good chance of winning,they have weaknesses,but then so do all the other teams. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Football ... poor old England ... From: The Smiler Date: 07 Apr 10 - 03:08 AM At this point it would semm to be fairly mild tension. As you say, security will be tightened up. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Football ... poor old England ... From: Lox Date: 06 Apr 10 - 09:28 PM Tension. update |
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Subject: RE: BS: Football ... poor old England ... From: Lox Date: 06 Apr 10 - 08:50 AM Smiler, What I meant was that it would be hard to gauge whether Terrablanches murder was the cause of a surge in violence as there is already so much that any anomalies would be hard to detect. I wouldn't anticipate any white supremacists seeking revenge, as it would be far too dangerous and they'd only lose. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Football ... poor old England ... From: Lox Date: 06 Apr 10 - 08:46 AM I reckon the Terrablanche effect could be even more excessive tightening up of security, and that most ironic circumstance of a Black administration enforcing effective Apartheid against poor blacks and coloureds in order to keep undesirables out of the picture to avoid embarrassment. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Football ... poor old England ... From: The Smiler Date: 06 Apr 10 - 08:34 AM Agreed Lox. I was commenting on the Terrablanche situation. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Football ... poor old England ... From: Lox Date: 06 Apr 10 - 05:47 AM "Well thankfully, it looks as though the situation appears to be calm." I don't know if I'd put it quite like that. SA still has the highets firearm murder rate of any country in the world including the usual south and central American suspects like colombia or Mexico. The Fact that Terrablanche survived this long is a mystery. People are still being shot daily pretty much at random, and carjacked, and kidnapped etc and the gangs still roam the townships with ruthless arrogance. So will the world cup be safe? the event will, but the tourists should take care to pay attention to safety advice. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Football ... poor old England ... From: The Smiler Date: 06 Apr 10 - 04:12 AM Well thankfully, it looks as though the situation appears to be calm. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Football ... poor old England ... From: The Smiler Date: 05 Apr 10 - 03:11 PM How will the murder of white supremacist leader Eugene Terreblanche affect the World Cup. Will it be safe? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Football ... poor old England ... From: skipy Date: 04 Apr 10 - 08:27 PM They will come home as loosers, overpaid loosers, that is fine by me that they will loose. However the monies that they are paid to loose! That is differant!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Football ... poor old England ... From: The Sandman Date: 04 Apr 10 - 08:48 AM All the more reason to use tv technology and/OR to employ two men standing behindor alongside the goal[as in GAA] to Decide on ball crossing the line and shirt tugging, at the same time it would also reduce to a small extent unemployment |
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Subject: RE: BS: Football ... poor old England ... From: The Sandman Date: 04 Apr 10 - 06:37 AM you are right about drogbas goal,but there were two penalty decisions that should have been given one for each side,however ferdinand should have prevented the ball getting to joe cole. my prediction was right,and ARSENAL could still win the league |
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Subject: RE: BS: Football ... poor old England ... From: MikeL2 Date: 04 Apr 10 - 04:58 AM hi smiler You are right. I was at the game. There were penalties on either side which in other games would have been given....but that is normal these days - a foul outside the box is somehow never identified as one inside the box. Drogba's goal was a joke. The "linesman" was dead level and just stood there and watched....why we need them I don't know...they are useless. Also what doesn't show on TV is that when Joe Cole scored Chelsea's first goal he had a handful of Evra's shirt in his hand.....he clearly fouled him as he scored. Having said all this Chelsea were the better team and deserved to win...but the refereeing and touch judges were very poor. Not good for a game that could have decided the winners of the league title. cheers MikeL2 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Football ... poor old England ... From: The Smiler Date: 04 Apr 10 - 03:35 AM Poor refereeing in the Man U Chelsea match. Penalties not allowed and a definate Offside disallowed gave Chelsea the win. Not good. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Football ... poor old England ... From: The Sandman Date: 03 Apr 10 - 04:26 PM RIO FERDINAND responsible for one of the Chelsea goals,too slow and out of position,he is just not good enough at defending. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Football ... poor old England ... From: The Sandman Date: 03 Apr 10 - 04:02 PM |
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Subject: RE: BS: Football ... poor old England ... From: Lox Date: 23 Mar 10 - 06:21 AM Uh Oh ... Et tu Rooney? Shock Horror ... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Football ... poor old England ... From: The Sandman Date: 22 Mar 10 - 02:23 PM wot abaht poor old ireland,cheated out of it,by a frenchman. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Football ... poor old England ... From: MikeL2 Date: 22 Mar 10 - 11:31 AM hi Dick We'll see....... Cheers MikeL2 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Football ... poor old England ... From: The Sandman Date: 22 Mar 10 - 10:42 AM Iam not sure if there is anyone who is better,but i still see him as a weakness. I predict didier drogba/chelsea will find him out and the united defence shortly. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Football ... poor old England ... From: MikeL2 Date: 22 Mar 10 - 10:27 AM hi dick I have just said that I was at the match and I agree that Ferdinand was not as mobile as he usually is. Whether he was responsible for the Liverpool goal is a matter of conjecture. Somebody was - Torres was totally unmarked. However watching the goal on my recording it was a mistake earlier and quick re-actions by Torres than took everyone by surprise. But even if we agree that Ferdinand was partly to blame it still doesn't alter the fact that when fit he is one of the best central defenders in the World. He has not really been fit all season and there must be a question mark about him going to South Africa. Finally........ in the Daily Express this morning Fergie comments that it is the pairing of Ferdinand and Vidic that is responsible for United's recent form.....if it is good enough for Fergie it is good enough for me. Cheers MikeL2 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Football ... poor old England ... From: The Sandman Date: 22 Mar 10 - 09:24 AM Iam not totally convinced about ferdinand as a defender,he is agood attacking defender going forward,but he has on occassions made defensive errors of judgement,he along with neville were responsible a for allowing liverpools goal to happen. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Football ... poor old England ... From: The Sandman Date: 22 Mar 10 - 07:44 AM Years Team Apps†(Gls)†[HESKEY] 1994â€"2000 Leicester City 154 (40) 2000â€"2004 Liverpool 150 (39) 2004â€"2006 Birmingham City 68 (14) 2006â€"2009 Wigan Athletic 82 (15) 2009â€" Aston Villa 38 (5) National team‡ England U18 8 (5) 1996â€"2000 England U21 16 (6) 1998 England B 1 (1) 1999â€"2009 England 57 (7 PLUS 7 GOALS IN 57 INTERNATIONALS,Heskey is a versatile player who can play as left winger and apart from scoring goals is agood provider of goals,he is not just an out and out striker,in fact that is not his best role. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Football ... poor old England ... From: Acorn4 Date: 21 Mar 10 - 08:56 PM A shame as the discussion was an interesting one. It seems to depend on who you put Heskey with. When he was at Leicester, he worked very well in the "Little and Large" partnership with Tony Cottee. In only one game did he play alongside Stan Collymore, and the result was a 5 -1 thrashing of Sunderland - the partnership looked truly awesome, but in the match after, against Derby, Collymore broke his leg. Soon after that Heskey moved to Liverpool, and was soon followed by Martin O' Neill going to Celtic. The rest, as they say, is history. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Football ... poor old England ... From: Rasener Date: 21 Mar 10 - 06:33 PM Don't agree. I am now stopping posting on this thread. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Football ... poor old England ... From: The Sandman Date: 21 Mar 10 - 05:47 PM Villan,I thought you didnt want to talk about Heskey. I cant give you an exact number,but i did see yesterdays match,and i have seen him fairly often playing for other teams.I am not interested in ratings i can make up my own mind. Heskey would not be my first choice but i DO think he should be in the squad,He is more like an old fashioned inside forward but with good aerial abilty and good at holding up the ball ,plus he is very strong and works very hard,tracks back defends etc etc,he is usefuland has a good work rate. handy to come on as a sub or if one of the three main striker get injured |
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Subject: RE: BS: Football ... poor old England ... From: Rasener Date: 21 Mar 10 - 03:46 PM Oh Dick just based on the one match Sky Sport ratings are as per this link, http://www.skysports.com/football/user_ratings/0,19768,11065_3240313,00.html and its interesting to see that Heskey got a 5 from Sky and a 4.2 from supporters or people who watched the match. http://www.skysports.com/football/user_ratings/0,19768,11065_3240313,00.html Maybe you watched a different match to me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Football ... poor old England ... From: Rasener Date: 21 Mar 10 - 03:34 PM OOps Missed out Cuellar who is 16th http://www.premierleague.com/page/ActimIndex |
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Subject: RE: BS: Football ... poor old England ... From: Rasener Date: 21 Mar 10 - 03:30 PM Yes good result for Manu Mike. Man City are the problem now for Villa Dick You might like to look at the rankings for the Premiership for this season. Heskey doesn't even come in the top 100. However, Agbonlahor (5), Millner (20), Young (21), and Dunne (13) all appear in the top 21 of the 100. As for Downing, he has just come back from a very serious injury and is starting to put consistant matches together. Tell me Dick, how many Villa matches have you watched this season? Are you a staunch Villa supporter? You obviously know best. Watching one match is not a way to judge players. As said I have watched all the matches and am very excited about Villa's future with all the young players that are coming through, and will be future England players. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Football ... poor old England ... From: MikeL2 Date: 21 Mar 10 - 02:17 PM hi les Well we did our bit.......2-1 yipeee But I guess for you Man City are a concern too. Mind you we have to play them soon so we will try to put a hex on them. I agree about Ferdinand's back. I was there todat and at times he looked very stiff and less mobile than usual. It is his speed and mobility that makes him such a good defender. Let's hope that he will get fully fit soon. Cheers Mike |
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Subject: RE: BS: Football ... poor old England ... From: Rasener Date: 21 Mar 10 - 02:16 PM Dick, i think you failed to mention that Heskey missed heading the ball in defence that allowed the Wolves player to score a goal. But we won't mention that eh. :-) Anyway can we please stop talking about Heskey. He is not my fabourite cup of tea and don't want to talk about him anymore. Let's talk about England and the exciting young players that are available for England. As I have said already, I think we will do preety well and at least get to the semi's, if not the final. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Football ... poor old England ... From: The Sandman Date: 21 Mar 10 - 01:48 PM sorry james and green |
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Subject: RE: BS: Football ... poor old England ... From: The Sandman Date: 21 Mar 10 - 01:48 PM goalkeepers; james and gunn. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Football ... poor old England ... From: The Sandman Date: 21 Mar 10 - 01:45 PM Villan,I hope you done mind me correcting you on the basis of yesterdays match. the following three villa players missed chances[Downing whom you admire]Dunn and Carew. milner? scored an own goal meanwhile the much maligned heskey did what he was good at,held up theball to sidwell.so that villa could score a goal. Iam not a 100 per cent admirer of heskey ,but i think he raise his game generally for internationals,he is good at holding the ball up he is strong and he intimidates defences,i think he will work well with rooney,and is a serious alternative to crouch,and should be in the squad along with crouch and rooney. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Football ... poor old England ... From: Acorn4 Date: 21 Mar 10 - 09:30 AM The goalkeeper question is a tricky one. If FB takes a look at the championship, Chris Weale has been playing a blinder for Leicester City all this season. He can score as well (though in the clip it isn't actually for Leicester) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-Na62jbWvQ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Football ... poor old England ... From: Rasener Date: 21 Mar 10 - 07:03 AM Hi Mike Ashley Young is a good player and I would take him along as a bench player. I don't think he has been so good this year. A bit in and out. I like the way Downing is performing. Anyway big match today Man U V Liverpool. After Villa's game, it's even more important for a Man U win :-) You mention Ferdinand, but his back problem gives cause for concern. Les |
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Subject: RE: BS: Football ... poor old England ... From: MikeL2 Date: 21 Mar 10 - 06:54 AM hi villan Hope you enjoyed your breakfast.....lol I would certainly add Ferdinand, James, Ashley Cole and Lennon. That means there are still 10 to go !!!! Not counting the "Mascot" Beckham. I see that Barry is going to try to talk Bridge into going.....I am not sure I would take him anyway ?? It needs at least 2 more central defenders Upson & Lescott??? Plus two keepers perm any two from the English keepers in the Premier League. I wouldn't take Foster even though he plays ( sometimes ) for Man U. Ashley Young looked good yesterday and could have impressed Capello. My worry apart from Barry there doesn't appear to be any real grafters. History has shown us that we need one or two. As for Heskey - don't think he is good enough BUT Capello likes him !! cheers MikeL2 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Football ... poor old England ... From: Rasener Date: 21 Mar 10 - 03:55 AM :-) Oh sorry Raedwulf, I didn't know they were your relatives. Bottom line is that Heskey is not good enough for England or the Villa. Rumours are that he won't be at Villa for the start of the new season. Anyway you think what you like Raedwulf and I will do the same, becuase we ain't going to agree. So let's talk about who England will take to the World Cup, assuming thay don't get injured beforehand. Players who should already be on the plane. Rooney Terry Gerrard Lampard Barry Milner Agbonlahor Crouch Defoe I'll get me breakfast |
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Subject: RE: BS: Football ... poor old England ... From: Raedwulf Date: 20 Mar 10 - 08:55 PM My. How arrogant. You presume to speak for all, sorry, "most" Villa fans, do you? Martin O'Neill 1, Villan 0. Heskey is better than you are willing to give him credit for. Apparently, so is Martin O'Neill. The total waste of space? Not him, not me, not Mr O'Neill. You, maybe? And let's be clear, Villan, I'm not saying I rate Heskey particularly. I don't. But your dismissal of him is both arrogant & ignorant. If you really believe the "You are only as good as your next game", you deserve everything you get. Unfortunately, with O'Neill in charge, I don't think you'll get what you deserve... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Football ... poor old England ... From: alanabit Date: 20 Mar 10 - 03:49 PM Funnily enough, the beginning of the decline of Heskey's, Michael Owen's and Robbie Fowler's careers was when Heskey was brought into Liverpool. Both Owen and Fowler had been scoring prolifically until Owen was dropped - and eventually sold - to make room for Heskey. Neither Fowler nor Heskey lasted long at Liverpool after that. Strikers do seem to hunt in pairs, but that does not mean that there should be a non scoring partner. As a brave, unselfish man, it is difficult not to like Heskey. I do not think he is going to give the world's leading defences very much to lose sleep about though. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Football ... poor old England ... From: Rasener Date: 20 Mar 10 - 11:30 AM He has done FA for the Villa You are only as good as your next game. I am only commenting on him since he has been at the Villa. His supposed reputation before does not concern me. Its what he does on the pitch. You have your opinion and that's fine. It's a load of B*******, but I can't help that. I just don't agree with you and there aren't that many Villa supporters who would agree with you either. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Football ... poor old England ... From: Raedwulf Date: 20 Mar 10 - 11:16 AM And his career before Villa you never paid much attention too, it would seem, and presumably utterly discount. You've never managed a Pemiership team, neither have I; but Martin O'Neill, who has your team challenging for a Champion's League spot, has and he apparently rates Heskey far more than you do. Guess whose opinion I'd give more weight to? "Total waste of space" - no, Villan, you're the one talking bollocks. OK, so you don't rate him, fair enough. But total waste of space? That's foolishness. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Football ... poor old England ... From: Rasener Date: 20 Mar 10 - 09:39 AM Well having watched every Villa match this season, I am sorry to say that Heskey would definately not get into the team if I was manager. Because I don't think he is good enough, I spend time watching him, to see if I am being unfair to him. I haven't changed my mind ever since he joined Villa. Just not good enough. I think you are talking the B******* Raedwulf |
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Subject: RE: BS: Football ... poor old England ... From: Raedwulf Date: 20 Mar 10 - 09:12 AM Coming to this slightly late... "considering he is supposed to be a centre forward, who in my opinion should score lots of goals. He sadly lacks that." Sorry have to disagree with that. An awful lot of football fans talk an awful lot of bollocks. The old trueism that strikers hunt in pairs seems to have been forgotten these days, but let's see if I can't resurrect it... What would you rather have? Two strikers who can score 15 goals each? Or a strike partnership where one gets 10 & the other gets 30? Heskey is NOT a total waste of space. He's a very, very good footballer. He creates huge problems in the opposition defence, which makes space for his team mates to profit from. Remember the Heskey / Owen partnership at Liverpool? Would Owen have scored as many goals without Hedley? I doubt it. Having said that, no I don't rate Heskey as an international. My principle objection to him is that, notwithstanding his size & bulk, his balance is appalling. He falls over far too easily. I might have him in the squad, but he has more caps than I think his ability warrants. Nevertheless, I thought I'd redress the balance a little! ;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Football ... poor old England ... From: Rasener Date: 19 Mar 10 - 02:06 PM That's what I like to hear Mike :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Football ... poor old England ... From: MikeL2 Date: 19 Mar 10 - 12:13 PM Hi Villan We will do our best for you. We would rather have Villa finish fourth than all the others. Cheers MikeL2 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Football ... poor old England ... From: Rasener Date: 19 Mar 10 - 11:56 AM Well Man U had better damn well win this time. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Football ... poor old England ... From: MikeL2 Date: 19 Mar 10 - 10:54 AM hi arnie I noted Dempsey's goal. I rate him highly. He had a couple of great games when I saw him play against Man U last year. He has pace great awareness and can and does score goals. I don't think that England can think that playing USA will be easy. They have several very good players over here. I saw Donovan a couple of weeks ago and he is going to be influencial too. Just getting ready for our Sunday clash with Liverpool !!! We haven't beaten them for three matches so......gloves off on Sunday. I will be there.....no sofa to hide behind Dave....lol cheers MikeL2 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Football ... poor old England ... From: Arnie Date: 19 Mar 10 - 08:03 AM After last night's performance against Juventus, I think that Fulham striker Bobby Zamora should be on that plane to SA - and Fabio Capello was watching the match. Unfortunately for England fans, the goal of the match was scored by Clint Dempsey who will also be on the pitch for our first match on June 12th - unfortunately he's an American striker! |
