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Subject: RE: BS: Republican response to Health Reform From: Bobert Date: 24 Oct 10 - 07:32 PM The boy misses alot, Greg... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Republican response to Health Reform From: Greg F. Date: 24 Oct 10 - 03:23 PM As per NYT: "The costs of medical care and insurance premiums are still rising, and some employers are still dropping coverage." Jeez, Sawz- didja miss the part where most of the provisions of the act don't go into effect until 2014? Gimmie Shelter. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Republican response to Health Reform From: Sawzaw Date: 24 Oct 10 - 11:58 AM As per NYT: "The costs of medical care and insurance premiums are still rising, and some employers are still dropping coverage." As per change.gov: The Obama-Biden Plan On health care reform, the American people are too often offered two extremes -- government-run health care with higher taxes or letting the insurance companies operate without rules. Barack Obama and Joe Biden believe both of these extremes are wrong, and that's why they've proposed a plan that strengthens employer coverage, makes insurance companies accountable and ensures patient choice of doctor and care without government interference. The Obama-Biden plan provides affordable, accessible health care for all Americans, builds on the existing health care system, and uses existing providers, doctors, and plans. Under the Obama-Biden plan, patients will be able to make health care decisions with their doctors, instead of being blocked by insurance company bureaucrats. Under the plan, if you like your current health insurance, nothing changes, except your costs will go down by as much as $2,500 per year. If you don't have health insurance, you will have a choice of new, affordable health insurance options. Make Health Insurance Work for People and Businesses -- Not Just Insurance and Drug Companies. * Require insurance companies to cover pre-existing conditions so all Americans regardless of their health status or history can get comprehensive benefits at fair and stable premiums. * Create a new Small Business Health Tax Credit to help small businesses provide affordable health insurance to their employees. * Lower costs for businesses by covering a portion of the catastrophic health costs they pay in return for lower premiums for employees. * Prevent insurers from overcharging doctors for their malpractice insurance and invest in proven strategies to reduce preventable medical errors. * Make employer contributions more fair by requiring large employers that do not offer coverage or make a meaningful contribution to the cost of quality health coverage for their employees to contribute a percentage of payroll toward the costs of their employees' health care. * Establish a National Health Insurance Exchange with a range of private insurance options as well as a new public plan based on benefits available to members of Congress that will allow individuals and small businesses to buy affordable health coverage. * Ensure everyone who needs it will receive a tax credit for their premiums. Reduce Costs and Save a Typical American Family up to $2,500 as reforms phase in: * Lower drug costs by allowing the importation of safe medicines from other developed countries, increasing the use of generic drugs in public programs, and taking on drug companies that block cheaper generic medicines from the market. * Require hospitals to collect and report health care cost and quality data. * Reduce the costs of catastrophic illnesses for employers and their employees. * Reform the insurance market to increase competition by taking on anticompetitive activity that drives up prices without improving quality of care. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Republican response to Health Reform From: Amos Date: 24 Oct 10 - 10:59 AM Republican DIsinformation in detail from the NY Times. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Republican response to Health Reform From: Sawzaw Date: 24 Oct 10 - 02:29 AM User Name Thread Name Subject Posted [PM] Sawzaw Review: Steeleye Span-40th anniversary tour (18) RE: Steeleye Span 23 Dec 09 Love Steeleye Span but where did the name come from? I thought it was Steely Dan for a long time. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Republican response to Health Reform From: Don Firth Date: 21 Oct 10 - 03:03 PM Well, Sawz, I've noted that you have never posted on a music thread here. Which raises the question of what you are doing on a music web site. Eh? Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Republican response to Health Reform From: Bobert Date: 21 Oct 10 - 08:14 AM Doesn't take an army of redneck congresssmen be a forceful voting block, Sawz... The fact is that these were the ones who were willing to step out from underneath their hoods... You can bet that for every Dixiecrat that was willing to stand up and say "I hate Negros and I'm not ashamed to say it" there were alot more thinkiong it then just as they think it today... The comments by the Wes Ginny senatorial candidte and the reaction from the folks who had come to hear him is clear evidence that racism is alive and well and the Rdepubs and Tea Partiers ain't ashamed this time around to use it... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Republican response to Health Reform From: Sawzaw Date: 21 Oct 10 - 01:35 AM FYI Mr Firth, I watched MSNBC tonight. I Watch MSNBC in the morning. I rarely watch O'Reilly, don't watch Hannity, can't stand Glen Beck, Can only listen to Limbaugh a few minutes and loose interest, usually switching to NPR. So basically you have me all figured out. Now what else do you know about me? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Republican response to Health Reform From: Don Firth Date: 21 Oct 10 - 01:00 AM You don't get out much, do you Sawz? You really ought to turn off Fox News and take a good look at the 3-D world. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Republican response to Health Reform From: Sawzaw Date: 21 Oct 10 - 12:01 AM Can Bobert explain his fascination with and hatred for these Redn**ks "You dohn't wanta participate because a black man is president??? Fine... Matbe you could dig up George Wallace or Lester Maddox to be yer new president... Ya'll can hang yer hate-filled confederate flags out and spend yer lives sittin' 'round the TV watching NASAR... Don't mean a rat's ass to me... I'm so tired of hearing uneductaed ignorant Southerners tell the rst of the country how to do stuff that I could puke... Look where the Hell it has gotten US... Ya'll have had yer boys running the show now for a couple decades and look where it got US???" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Republican response to Health Reform From: Sawzaw Date: 20 Oct 10 - 11:33 PM What Dixiecrats Bobert? you keep claiming to know all about it but you won't disclose the information. Just exactly who were the shitload of Dixiecrats you brag about? "No brag, just fact" Its actually no fact, just brag. You make a statement and refuse to back it up. To avoid backing up that blowhard statement, you make another blowhard statement to avoid providing anything to support the first one. You might find this useful to wash the blood off of the Democrat's hands. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Republican response to Health Reform From: Bobert Date: 20 Oct 10 - 08:33 PM Here's what you really need to do, Sawz... Google up electorial map for the 1952, 1956, 1960 and the 1964 elections... That will give a glimpse of what the Dixiecrats were and how they jumped to the Republican Party after the Civil Right Act was passed... BTW, maybe you could explain yer fascination with these rednecks... No matter... I'd suggest that maybe you'd benefit from a good 20th Cenury American History course... BTW, remember Trent Lott??? Seems that his references to the Dixiecrats cost him his job... Lotta folks, especially older black folks in the South know all about the Dixiecrat, many of whom were also involved in the KKK... And before you skirt the issue, yeah, Robert Byrd was a member of the KKK in the 50s before undergoing a transformation that brought him to be a very caring and decnt man later in his life... Wish I could say that about some folks here who are hell bent on defending folks that those of use who fought for civil rights know in our heart of hearts haven't made those changes in their internal compasses... The guy running in Wes Ginny being one... I couldn't believe that the Republican Senate candidate openly disrespected Supreme Court Justice Sotomayor with racist bullshit before an audience that plainly would have shown up to lynchings back in the 30s... But this is normal this year... "Machaca" is a thing of the past... Yeah, we have had to put up with so much racism from the Tea Party this year and TV Wrestling talk from the like of Srah Plain and the other Repub women that it has left US bewildered at where the line is that the right won't cross... Everywhere you look it is vary bad behavior on the Repub/Tea Party side... But I'll guarentee you that the American people may tolerate a little of it because people are pissed off but sanity will return and these racist comments will come back to bite these folks down the road... We don't need to have the Klan in our Congress... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Republican response to Health Reform From: kendall Date: 20 Oct 10 - 06:23 PM And which party is trying to stop the bloodshed in Iraq and Afghanistan? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Republican response to Health Reform From: Sawzaw Date: 20 Oct 10 - 02:16 PM "As has been pointed out on many occasions" By Democrats trying to whitewash their murderous past. Which includes murdering Lincoln. Still waiting for this large number of Dixecrats that are supposed to be the proof. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Republican response to Health Reform From: Greg F. Date: 20 Oct 10 - 09:29 AM Actually, Booth was forious because he was a vicious racist & was enraged with Lincoln over the possibility of "Nigger Citizenship" and civil rights for Blacks, as he clearly stated. The myth of Booth as a "Southern Patriot" was created out of whole cloth after the fact- as was the whole "Lost Cause" mythology. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Republican response to Health Reform From: Bobert Date: 20 Oct 10 - 08:30 AM Booth wasn't alone, Capt'n... Lotta people in the South still feel that way... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Republican response to Health Reform From: GUEST,kendall Date: 20 Oct 10 - 06:41 AM Jw Booth was furious because the north had invaded the south and Lincoln was seen as a despot. Thats why he killed him. My question stands. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Republican response to Health Reform From: Bobert Date: 19 Oct 10 - 09:51 PM BTW, fir folks who are still believers that the Civil Rights Act didn't act as the centerpiece of when and why the politcal parties swapped place as a result of it, I'd suggest Googling up the the electorial map for all the presidentail elections from 1952 until the year election of 1964 after the Civil Rights Act was passed... Like Confusion say, "A picture tells a thousand words..." B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Republican response to Health Reform From: Bobert Date: 19 Oct 10 - 07:56 PM As has been pointed out on many occasions, the postions of the two parties have swapped their positions over the years... Prior to the Civil Rights Act the South was solid Democratic... Upon passage of the Civil Rights Act Lyndon Johnson acknowldged that in doing so the Democratic Party would be hurt in the South for decades to come... Well, it's pushing 5 decades now and Southern Man doesn't seem to be in any more of a mood to forgive than the day after the bill was signed into law... The Southern Strtegy is still very much alive and well and perhaps gettin' ever weller... No matter, here's the best thing about the Health Care Refore legislation... The Repubs can grandsatnd all they want... After the elction they can try to repeal it... They can hod heraings and investigations and guess what??? They will fail to repeal it... All they will do is reinforce in the minds of the voters that they are most of the "problem" in Washington... I mean, yeah, they may have their little fun for 2 years but if the government doesn't start producing with them in power then it will be the Repubs who suffer the consequences in 2012... Spending, no wasting, a year trying to undo something that is undoable will make them look very petty and once that image sticks then all the "Citizen's" money in the universe won't change the perception of the Repubs in 2012... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Republican response to Health Reform From: Sawzaw Date: 19 Oct 10 - 01:10 AM BOOTH. John Wilkes Booth gets his name of John Wilkes from his great-great-grandfather, and his strikingly handsome personality from his great-great-grandmother. Thus it is said that John Wilkes Booth is given to the world from an ancestry known to England in their day as the Beauty and Beast. John Wilkes Booth was a partisan in his sympathies for the success of the Southern Confederate States in the Civil War, bold and outspoken in his friendship for the South and his well wishes for the triumph of the Southern cause. In politics a Democrat, and by religion a Catholic, and a son of Junius Brutus Booth, the first, who was known to all men of his day as the master of the art of dramatic acting, being himself descended from the Booth family of actors in England, preeminently great as tragedians since the beginning of the sixteenth century. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Republican response to Health Reform From: Sawzaw Date: 19 Oct 10 - 12:35 AM PBS: Early in the Civil War, President Abraham Lincoln was hard pressed by the Radical Republicans -- the party's abolitionist wing -- to abolish slavery by proclamation. Lincoln was opposed. He said that his main concern was preserving the union and he subordinated his feelings about slavery to that goal: "My paramount object is to save the Union, and not either to save or destroy slavery." Moreover, he knew that if he decreed emancipation at the beginning of the war, Missouri, Kentucky, and probably Maryland, all of which technically remained on the Union side, would have joined the South. As the war gloomily dragged on in 1862, and things looked bleak for the Union cause, Lincoln realized that he would have to end slavery. He was willing to issue an Emancipation Proclamation but he felt that the people of the North were not yet ready for it. Lincoln called the proclamation "the central act of my administration, and the greatest event of the 19th century." Lincoln He needed a military victory. In September of 1862, he barely got one. Five days after the Confederate Army's northward march was stopped at the battle of Antietam on September 17, 1862, Lincoln issued a preliminary proclamation. The key paragraph of the Proclamation read: "That on the 1st day of January, A.D. 1863, all persons held as slaves within any State or designated part of a State the people whereof shall then be in rebellion against the United States shall be then, thenceforward, and forever free; and the executive government of the United States, including the military and naval authority thereof, will recognize and maintain the freedom of such persons and will do no act or acts to repress such persons, or any of them, in any efforts they may make for their actual freedom." Lincoln gave the Confederate states until the end of the year to return to the Union if they wanted to maintain slavery. They ignored him. On January 1, 1863, Lincoln issued the final proclamation and slavery was officially abolished, affecting about three million enslaved blacks. The proclamation did not apply to the border states, which were not in rebellion against the Union, and it could not be enforced in the regions held by Confederate troops. Critics charged that the Proclamation ended slavery in areas where it did not exist and was unable to end slavery in areas where it existed. But the Proclamation proved effective as Northern armies penetrated deeper into the South, freeing those who had been enslaved. Lincoln called the proclamation "the central act of my administration, and the greatest event of the 19th century." Later, the Thirteenth Amendment incorporated the abolition of slavery into the U.S. Constitution. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Republican response to Health Reform From: Sawzaw Date: 19 Oct 10 - 12:21 AM Funny that Democrats want to harken to the policies of Thomas Jefferson, a slave owner who diddled one of his slaves and blame racial injustice on Republicans. The slave owners were Democrats who even went to war to preserve slavery. They lost and then they fought civil rights tooth and nail, up until the second that they realized it was inevatable and then they flip flopped. I was actually for slavery before I was against it. They realized they needed the black vote to stay in power. As Lyndon Johnson said "I'll have them Ni**ers" voting Democratic for the next 200 years". That's not selfish is it? If anybody wants to dispute this let them give an example of a civil rights bill that the majority of Republicans voted against. Let any accomplishment of the Democrats equal the elimination of slavery by the Republicans. Let any abomination equal the assanation of Abe Linco;n by a Democrat or the Jim Crow laws created and upheld by Democtrats and fought buy Republicans. The Democrats still hold black people in their power by telling them they can't get ahead because white people won't let them. All the while Republicans have been telling them you are equal human beings and you can get ahead. < a href="http://www.pbs.org/wnet/jimcrow/stories_org_democratic.html">PBS: The Democratic Party was formed in 1792, when supporters of Thomas Jefferson began using the name Republicans, or Jeffersonian Republicans, to emphasize its anti-aristocratic policies. It adopted its present name during the Presidency of Andrew Jackson in the 1830s. In the 1840s and '50s, the party was in conflict over extending slavery to the Western territories. Southern Democrats insisted on protecting slavery in all the territories while many Northern Democrats resisted. The party split over the slavery issue in 1860 at its Presidential convention in Charleston, South Carolina. Northern Democrats nominated Stephen Douglas as their candidate, and Southern Democrats adopted a pro-slavery platform and nominated John C. Breckinridge in an election campaign that would be won by Abraham Lincoln and the newly formed Republican Party. After the Civil War, most white Southerners opposed Radical Reconstruction and the Republican Party's support of black civil and political rights. The Democratic Party identified itself as the "white man's party" and demonized the Republican Party as being "Negro dominated," even though whites were in control. Determined to re-capture the South, Southern Democrats "redeemed" state after state -- sometimes peacefully, other times by fraud and violence. By 1877, when Reconstruction was officially over, the Democratic Party controlled every Southern state. The South remained a one-party region until the Civil Rights movement began in the 1960s. Northern Democrats, most of whom had prejudicial attitudes towards blacks, offered no challenge to the discriminatory policies of the Southern Democrats. Then and Now: After the Civil War, the Democratic Party in the South was the party of white supremacy. Now, African Americans form the party's most loyal base of support. One of the consequences of the Democratic victories in the South was that many Southern Congressmen and Senators were almost automatically re-elected every election. Due to the importance of seniority in the U.S. Congress, Southerners were able to control most of the committees in both houses of Congress and kill any civil rights legislation. Even though Franklin Delano Roosevelt was a Democrat, and a relatively liberal president during the 1930s and '40s, he rarely challenged the powerfully entrenched Southern bloc. When the House passed a federal anti-lynching bill several times in the 1930s, Southern senators filibustered it to death. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Republican response to Health Reform From: kendall Date: 18 Oct 10 - 08:26 PM Prove other wise.and quit nit picking. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Republican response to Health Reform From: kendall Date: 18 Oct 10 - 08:23 PM I am informed sir. So I was one number off on the 14th amendment. Abe Lincoln did not free the slaves, and the republican party has done squat for the working man. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Republican response to Health Reform From: Bobert Date: 18 Oct 10 - 04:33 PM Obama put Booth up to it, Jack... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Republican response to Health Reform From: Jack the Sailor Date: 18 Oct 10 - 04:26 PM >>>Abraham Lincoln (February 12, 1809 – April 15, 1865) served as the 16th President of the United States from March 1861 until his assassination [by a Democrat] in April 1865. I was going to read your post until I got to this. >>>[by a Democrat] Then I realized that you were incapable of or unwilling to engage in rational discussion. If you think that Booth was acting as an agent of the Democratic Party, I pity you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Republican response to Health Reform From: Sawzaw Date: 18 Oct 10 - 02:32 PM "Abe Lincoln did not free the slaves, the 13th amendment did." Abraham Lincoln (February 12, 1809 – April 15, 1865) served as the 16th President of the United States from March 1861 until his assassination [by a Democrat] in April 1865. He successfully led the country through its greatest internal crisis, the American Civil War, preserving the Union, ending slavery, and rededicating the nation to nationalism, equal rights, liberty, and democracy. President Lincoln was concerned that the Emancipation Proclamation, which outlawed slavery in ten Confederate states still in rebellion in 1863, would be seen as a temporary war measure, since it was based on his war powers and did not abolish slavery in the border states. A bill to support an amendment to abolish slavery throughout the entire United States was introduced by Representative James Mitchell Ashley (Republican, Ohio). This was soon followed by a similar proposal made by Representative James F. Wilson (Republican, Iowa). The 14th Amendment to the Constitution was ratified on July 9, 1868, and granted citizenship to all persons born or naturalized in the United States, which included former slaves recently freed. In addition, it forbids states from denying any person "life, liberty or property, without due process of law" or to "deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." By directly mentioning the role of the states, the 14th Amendment greatly expanded the protection of civil rights to all Americans and is cited in more litigation than any other amendment. Please keep informed Kendall |
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Subject: RE: BS: Republican response to Health Reform From: Bobert Date: 17 Oct 10 - 10:18 PM Well, at least since the FDR, it has been the Dems who have been responsible for any bit of progress that the working class has seen... And it seems that every time the Dems do something big it really pisses of the rich and they throw everything and thr kitchen sink at the Gems for having moved the country forward... BTW, the US still lags way behind every industrialized nation in life expectancy... Hmmmmm??? The rich extract 17% of our GNP every year, double all the other countires were people are heathier and live longer... Then they take those profits and invest them overseas that take our jobs... I'll tell ya'll what... Given the fact that the Repubs are so in far in bed with the rich that I find it incredulous that Redneck Nation has been completely duped into voting for these guys... This is like a sick and dieing man who has a dozen leeches allready suckin' the life out of him asking for just one more??? It is insanity... But this is what happens when the media is turned into a 24/7 propaganda machine... I know that folks are tired of hearing this but unless we find a way to stop the brainwashing of our countrymen and take the propaganda out and replace it with facts then Tom Jefferson's little experiement's days are numbered... I mean, we are on the verge of being ruled by the stupid... This does not bode well for the US... We already are scarin' off the brightest and best scientists and reaserchers... I mean, how many people with IQs above 100 really are considering coming to a nation where loonies who belive in the Rapture and creationism get to call the shots??? Beam me up, Scotty... The stupid think that their stupid frioends need to run the show... B~ BTW...Hope that if Sawz ever needs a serious heart operation that he calls on Bubba to do it... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Republican response to Health Reform From: kendall Date: 17 Oct 10 - 08:47 PM Abe Lincoln did not free the slaves, the 13th amendment did. I'm talking about all working men, black, white yellow. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Republican response to Health Reform From: Sawzaw Date: 17 Oct 10 - 04:59 PM This is dedicaited to Don: Twang On top of old smokey All covered with snow I found a Hippy Sanger Who didn't want to know Anybody's opinion Other than his own Because he was obviously A left wing drone Twang |
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Subject: RE: BS: Republican response to Health Reform From: Sawzaw Date: 17 Oct 10 - 02:56 PM Ever heard of the Emancipation Proclamation? Ever heard of the 14th amendment? Civil Rights Act of 1866? Is that what you are? A hippy folk singer? Are you only interested in listening to people who agree with you or common sense? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Republican response to Health Reform From: Don Firth Date: 17 Oct 10 - 02:01 PM Just as a matter of amusement, I notice that up until now, Sawz has posted 2,172 times, stating almost exactly two years ago, and NOT ONCE has he posted to a music thread above the line. Strictly here to hawk arch-conservative politics to the hippy folk singers, right, Sawz? Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Republican response to Health Reform From: kendall Date: 17 Oct 10 - 12:45 PM I'm waiting Doug, BB, Jed... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Republican response to Health Reform From: kendall Date: 16 Oct 10 - 03:14 PM And a democrat signed into law the right of women to vote. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Republican response to Health Reform From: kendall Date: 16 Oct 10 - 03:09 PM I've said it before and I repeat. Tell me one thing the republican party ever did for the BENEFIT of the working man. Let it equal, Social security Minimum wage the 40 hour week the middle class child labor laws workplace safety laws. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Republican response to Health Reform From: Sawzaw Date: 16 Oct 10 - 12:50 PM "You couldn't get a job on Boss Hog's PR firm" Why would I want to work for a Democrat Bobert? They can't see that the word and is a separator. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Republican response to Health Reform From: Sawzaw Date: 15 Oct 10 - 10:31 AM "With Congress cutting $500 billion from Medicare to pay for their big government health care bill, it's good to know Representative Jim Marshall voted 'no,' telling Washington he's not going to stand for government as the solution." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Republican response to Health Reform From: Sawzaw Date: 15 Oct 10 - 09:57 AM Yay some more jobs have been saved or created. And Obama has a new grandstand for him to stand on. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Republican response to Health Reform From: Bobert Date: 15 Oct 10 - 07:09 AM Well, looks as if the government is in the process of putting together an agency that will start explaining the ins and outs of the new health reform bill... BTW, I fully understand that the angry Repubs are running on repealing this bill but the reality is that unless they get 66 votes in the new Senate, which is very unlikely under any scenerio, that all they are doing is wasting tax payer money with their grandstanding... (Normal, Bobert... Wasting tax payers money and grandstanding is all they have done for 2 years now... Why would you expect them to change???) Good point... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Republican response to Health Reform From: Bobert Date: 14 Oct 10 - 08:45 PM You couldn't get a job on Boss Hog's PR firm, Sawz... They all know that by putting Obamacare (a lie) in the same sentence with Bank bailout that most of the morons that they are aiming that toward will think that Obma was president for the bank bailout... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Republican response to Health Reform From: Stringsinger Date: 14 Oct 10 - 10:26 AM Greed! Pure and simple. Republican update: "Let 'em eat cake." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Republican response to Health Reform From: Sawzaw Date: 14 Oct 10 - 12:20 AM No I haven't heard anything from Boss Hogg since he went off the air. His full name was J. D. Hogg, Jefferson Davis Hogg, obviously a Democrat, known for their PR machines. "Obamacare and government bailouts" that is clearly two things there, one being healthcare the the other being the bank bailout. Only the non thinking world would beleive that it would mean Obama was solely responsible. If it said Obama bailouts you would be correct. Otherwise your BIGASS LIE assertion is a loud, bullying tactic. Of course you could ask others. We have to agree with Bobert so he will quit yelling BIGASS LIE. but Obama did claim a bailout as his: "It might have not been popular, and I sure didn't like doing it, but it was the right thing to do." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Republican response to Health Reform From: Bobert Date: 13 Oct 10 - 07:53 AM Well, of course you don't hear the implied message from Boss Hog's PR machine, Sawz, because you are are part of the brainwashed... To the unbrainwashed, the message comes thru loud and clear... "We want our country back... We want government off our backs... We don't want no stinkin' Obamacare and government bailouts..." The implication to the "thinking world" is that Obama brought us TARP all by his own little self... You have a major case of denial but, hey, so do the rest of ya'll Tea Baggers... Buy in yer case I'd like to think it's just denial rather than, like yer buddies, eat up stupid... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Republican response to Health Reform From: Sawzaw Date: 13 Oct 10 - 01:42 AM "Wall Street bailout was on yer guy... Not Obama" Obama voted for it. he supported it and he said it was the right thing to do. The only loudmouth bullies I hear go around yelling "BIGASS LIE" and trying to shout down any facts that are presented. I haven't heard anybody trying to blame the bailout on Obama. But the money loaned to the banks, not given to the banks, was supposed to be returned to the treasury to reduce the national debt. However Obama saw fit to use it for things like cash for clunkers which is a give away to help the unions that voted for him and not a loan to be repaid with interest. Therefore that part of the debt could be blamed on the former administration. "The law says that money coming back from TARP beneficiaries "shall be paid into the general fund of the Treasury for reduction of the public debt." Rep. Brad Sherman (D-Calif.) was the first to cry foul." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Republican response to Health Reform From: Bobert Date: 12 Oct 10 - 08:45 PM Who cares if Obama voted fir TARP??? Bottom line is that the Repub PR machine is tryin' to put the entire bailout on Obama's back... That is a shameful BIGASS LIE.... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Republican response to Health Reform From: Don Firth Date: 12 Oct 10 - 02:41 PM An excerpt—part of the Foreword of the very informative (and often shocking) book, The Healing of America : A Global Quest for Better, Cheaper, and Fairer Health Care by T. R. Reid, Penguin Press, copyright T. R. Reid 2009. I think that makes the case better than anything I can say. As T. R. Reid says, it's a moral issue. I must say that there are times when I am not particularly proud to be an American. Blurb on the back cover of the book: "When the World Health Organization rated the national health care systems of 191 countries in terms of 'fairness,' the United States ranked fifty-fourth -- slightly ahead of Chad and Rwanda but just behind Bangladesh and the Maldives. How is it that all the other industrialized democracies provide health care for everyone at a reasonable cost, something the United Stateshas never managed to do?" Reid travels to an number of countries around the world to find out how they manage their health care systems and clearly reports the good points of each one he investigated, along with their "warts." Clear, concise, and very much to the point. Highly recommended if you wish to know what you're talking about when you discuss our health care system -- or lack thereof. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Republican response to Health Reform From: pdq Date: 12 Oct 10 - 01:37 PM Yes, TARP was passed while George W. Bush was president and he signed it. What is never mentioned by our wonderful folks in the new media is that Bush wanted a system of loans, not gifts. Bank of American and many other recipiants of TARP money paid it back completely plus interest. B of A alone gave back over $40 billion. What did Obama do with the returned money? He gave it away to groups he liked. Obama's actions were not authorised by the bill and amount to theft of money from the American taxpayers. Again, where is the news media? At the country club golfing and drinking with their buddy, Obama. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Republican response to Health Reform From: Sawzaw Date: 12 Oct 10 - 01:02 PM A: Obama voted for TARP. B: A Democratic majority passed it. C: Obama voted for it as a Senator supported it as President. Obama: "In the midst of a really bad recession and the possibility of financial meltdown, preventing the collapse of our banks and with it the access to lending and credit and preventing hundreds of thousands of job losses that would have followed the collapse of two of our major automakers that was the right thing to do. It was the right thing to do; it was the necessary thing to do. It might have not been popular, and I sure didn't like doing it, but it was the right thing to do. And as bad as the damage has been in this recession, without those actions the damage could have been far more extensive. A transcript of his speech at Chesapeake Machine Co. It passed the Senate 74-25 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Republican response to Health Reform From: Bobert Date: 12 Oct 10 - 08:04 AM No, Sawz... The only folks I call "loudmouth bullies" are the, ahhhhhh, "loudmouth bullies".... BTW, the Wall Street bailout was on yer guy... Not Obama.... So you can take that lie and shove it... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Republican response to Health Reform From: Sawzaw Date: 12 Oct 10 - 12:06 AM "I've said no to more government spending, no to President Obama's big health care plan and no to Wall Street bailouts." |
