BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary

Subject: BS: Alvin Greene
From: Riginslinger
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 12:09 PM

I would have thought somebody would have started a thread on Alvin Greene by now. They haven't, though, so here it is. One question that needs to be answered is: Why does Congressman Clyburn think he is any more qualified to hold office than Alvin Greene?

Subject: RE: BS: Alvin Greene
From: Ebbie
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 12:37 PM

A little overly cryptic, Rig. Here's a Link


"COLUMBIA, S.C. — An unemployed military veteran who raised no funds and put up no campaign website shocked South Carolina's Democratic Party leadership by capturing the nomination Tuesday to face Republican U.S. Sen. Jim DeMint in November.

"With nearly all precincts reporting, Alvin Greene, 32, commanded 59 percent of the vote against 41 percent for former four-term state lawmaker Vic Rawl, 64, who had raised about $186,000 and had to abruptly scrap a late-week fundraiser for the fall.

"State Democratic Party Chairwoman Carol Fowler said voters unfamiliar with either candidate may have voted alphabetically for Greene over Rawl."

Subject: RE: BS: Alvin Greene
From: gnu
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 01:41 PM

"alphabetically"? She actually said that about her own party's delegates? Who is/are the/these moron/morons?

Or... am I unfamiliar with Yankee politics?

Subject: RE: BS: Alvin Greene
From: Bill D
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 01:53 PM

"Why does Congressman Clyburn think he is any more qualified to hold office than Alvin Greene?"

....well, Clyburn in a very intelligent congressman who can answer questions and has 50 years experience on the issues..... and doesn't look like a deer trapped in headlights.

Green is a gen-you-wine ringer. It will be interesting to see who set him up and paid his filing fees. He's nothing but cannon fodder for Jim DeMint.

Subject: RE: BS: Alvin Greene
From: Bill D
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 01:56 PM

read all about it

Subject: RE: BS: Alvin Greene
From: Ebbie
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 02:09 PM

The thinking about alphabetical placement is that it is very important to be near the top, the idea being that some of our well-informed, educated, sophisticated, functionally-literate, civic-minded voters will check off the first name they come to on the ballot. (Same thing holds for the phone directory)

Subject: RE: BS: Alvin Greene
From: Bill D
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 02:28 PM

...and the other Democratic candidate was underfunded and not much better. It's considered silly for Democrats to spend a lot of money in a race in S. Carolina (and certain other states, these days) when the very extremist conservatives are in the majority.
S. Carolina, besides all the political craziness, is the last state to flagrantly continue flying the Confederate battle flag....even at the state capitol.

Maybe we shoulda LET 'em secede in 1861.

Subject: RE: BS: Alvin Greene
From: Riginslinger
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 04:49 PM

"S. Carolina... is the last state to flagrantly continue flying the Confederate battle flag....even at the state capitol..."


                They have a good sense of history.

Subject: RE: BS: Alvin Greene
From: Ebbie
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 05:26 PM

Ah, my guess is that you would agree with Tom DeLay and Strom Thurmond then.

Subject: RE: BS: Alvin Greene
From: Riginslinger
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 05:28 PM

The other candidate, Vic Rawl, was a white guy. It was Obama all over again. All the blacks voted for Greene because he was black, and in South Carolina that's all he needed. I suspect we'll see candidates just like Alvin Greene all over the south after this.

Subject: RE: BS: Alvin Greene
From: Ron Davies
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 07:07 PM

Rig--David Duke is on the line for you. Thinks you're just the man to do some canvassing for him.

Subject: RE: BS: Alvin Greene
From: Riginslinger
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 07:39 PM

David Duke is on the other side, Ron. He doesn't want to see blacks get elected. Apparently Clyburn doesn't either, unless they think just like him.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 12 Jun 10 - 08:20 PM

He could change his name to Redd and run as a Republican... of course they've got DeMint, but...

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: pdq
Date: 12 Jun 10 - 10:57 PM

Isn't the real story of Alvin Greene about the felony sexual harassment charges lodged by a 19 year old White college student?

Greene is 32 and rather intimidating physically. The charges were not disclosed before the primary, as far as I can tell.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 13 Jun 10 - 08:42 AM

I wonder about that, pdq. As I understand it, the charges stem from an image Greene showed to the student on the screen of his lap-top computer. I'm not sure that rises to the level of sexual harassment. And why would that be disclosed? There's been no conviction.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Mrrzy
Date: 13 Jun 10 - 03:23 PM

If she (or anyone watching) minded it is harassment. If she didn't, and neither did any watchers, then it isn't.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 14 Jun 10 - 07:56 AM

Well, she obivously minded--or said she did, which is the same thing--but she could be a Democratic operative looking for a way to discredit Greene. Or he might plea bargin it down to something less than a felony, so the Dems wouldn't have any way to get him kicked off the ticket, and if they do get him kicked off the ticket, what are the black voters in South Carolina going to do?

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Greg F.
Date: 14 Jun 10 - 10:06 AM

[South Carolina] is the last state to flagrantly continue flying the Confederate battle flag....even at the state capitol....

Not so- there's the Mississippi State Flag, every bit as flagrant and a bit more pusillanimous.

Don't forget the Alabama State Motto: "Thank God for Mississippi".

Personally, I'm waiting for the new South Carolina license plates to come out sporting: "South Carolina: Birthplace of Treason"

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: MarkS
Date: 14 Jun 10 - 10:13 AM

Thank God for South Carolina. Always can be relied on to provide a laugh during a political season.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Riginslinger
Date: 14 Jun 10 - 01:26 PM

Yeah, it helped nominate Obama.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 14 Jun 10 - 01:39 PM

There is talk of an investigation. One question is how he could pay the filing fee, when he filed an affidavit of indigency in an obscenity suit in order to get a public defender.

The affair is just a sideshow, since the Republican candidate is sure to win.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: mousethief
Date: 14 Jun 10 - 02:02 PM

The charges were not disclosed before the primary, as far as I can tell.

It's that blasted "innocent until proven guilty" thing again, isn't it? I wonder when that will be scrapped. Probably not until the next Republican is elected president.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 14 Jun 10 - 06:05 PM

Put up job? One columnist say there is elephant dung all over the affair.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 14 Jun 10 - 10:01 PM

One thing about it. When he talks in front of the television cameras he comes off a lot better than Harry Reid.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Bobert
Date: 14 Jun 10 - 10:23 PM

Rigs, Rigs, Rigs...

Pull back on the reins, buddy... Yer comin' off as a Republican operative... I mean, it's okay to just vote fir 'um but fallin' into the Republican operative of making Harry Reid some kinda intellectually challenged person compared to what we have heard from Mr. Green is, ahhhhhh...

Sorry, pal.... But we're gonna have to respectully ask you to pee in the cup...

B~

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: LadyJean
Date: 14 Jun 10 - 11:48 PM

This year is the 200th anniversary of my 7 generations back grandfather, The Reverend Alexander Porter, leaving Abbeville South Carolina for Fairhaven Ohio. He opposed slavery, which didn't make him a lot of friends on the session. Though half his congregation went too.
I think I'll sing a couple of choruses of "Praise God from whom all blessings flow", that my family was delivered from South Carolina.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: mousethief
Date: 15 Jun 10 - 01:03 AM

More and more I find myself wondering if the Civil War was such a good idea.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 15 Jun 10 - 08:06 AM

I suspect war is never a good idea, mouse.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Bobert
Date: 15 Jun 10 - 08:26 AM

I'm with you, mouse... I think if the South wants out then let 'um... They are a drag on the US Treasury anyway 'cuase they get a disporportionate amount of federal tax dollars related to what they pay in....

(But, Boberdz, that means you'd be part of the new 'n improved CSA?!?!?...)

Farm For Sale...

B~

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Ebbie
Date: 15 Jun 10 - 12:47 PM

lol

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 16 Jun 10 - 08:24 AM

"Yer comin' off as a Republican operative..."

          Well, I certainly didn't mean to do that, but the Alvin Greene thing says a lot about the Democratic party.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,Songbob
Date: 16 Jun 10 - 03:29 PM

Ah, South Carolina -- "Too small for a republic, too large for an asylum." Birthplace of treason and secession, indeed, and not much seems to have changed there.

As for what this says about Democrats, it's odd that Greene got so few absentee ballots and so many (more than the votes cast in some cases) from the impossible-to-audit electronic voting machines. His alphabetical position, his name (for some reason, Greene with that "e" is considered a "black" name), and questionable voting machines means DeMint, who was pretty much going to win anyway, has an opponent who is barely competent to answer to his name (have you seen an interview with the man?).

It's what they have called a "rat-f*ck" since the days of Dick Nixon and, latterly, Carl Rove, and a rat-f*ck in true Republican dirty-tricks style. What is not evident is why the Repuglicans bothered. I guess it's just that they could.

South Carolina. Too small for a republic....


Bob Clayton

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Riginslinger
Date: 16 Jun 10 - 04:07 PM

Well, maybe the voters will take a shine to him.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: DougR
Date: 17 Jun 10 - 01:51 PM

Anyone here doubt Alvin Greene got the votes? No sign of fraud yet.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Bobert
Date: 17 Jun 10 - 02:33 PM

No, Rigs, Mr Greene is barly able to sting enough words together to make a sentence so he certainly isn't as spokesperson for the Democratic Party... More like the Tea Party...

Plus, ya' know, the Repubs in South Carolina have been known to run phantom candidates in the Dem primary when it is apparent that not only is their guy virtually unchallenged in the primaries but the general...

If this is the case then given Green's apparent lack of intellegence then if the money for the filing fee is proven to have come from a Repub then this not only screams of corruption but overt racism as well...

B~

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Riginslinger
Date: 17 Jun 10 - 04:19 PM

Why racism? Were they discriminating against the white candidate?

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Ebbie
Date: 17 Jun 10 - 05:11 PM

Just in case you haven't read it, Rig, a few months before he filed his candidacy, Greene requested and got a court-provided attorney to fight some earlier charges on the basis of being indigent. Then he turned around and paid a $10,400 filing fee.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Bobert
Date: 17 Jun 10 - 06:34 PM

Because, Rigs... It's friggin' South Carolina where whire people love to single out the dumbest black guy as representing all black people... Visit South Carolina sometime and you'll know what I mean... Redest of the rednecks there... Problem is that most of the white people in South Carolina ain't half a smart as dimwit Green... Tnat is a sad commentary on South Carolina...

So, yeah, if this guy proves to be some Repub plant then, yeah, this is some good ol' fashioned homecooked racism of the highest order... I mean, the kinda racism that comes with a 10 generation guarentee...

B~

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Riginslinger
Date: 17 Jun 10 - 07:51 PM

"Just in case you haven't read it, Rig, a few months before he filed his candidacy, Greene requested and got a court-provided attorney to fight some earlier charges on the basis of being indigent. Then he turned around and paid a $10,400 filing fee."

          I did read that. At least this ain't no ordinary old boring political event.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Riginslinger
Date: 17 Jun 10 - 07:53 PM

"...if this guy proves to be some Repub plant then, yeah, this is some good ol' fashioned homecooked racism of the highest order..."


                Well, it's a lot more exciting that politics as usual.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Bobert
Date: 17 Jun 10 - 08:23 PM

Can't argue that point, Rigs... It's entertainin'...

B~

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Ebbie
Date: 17 Jun 10 - 09:43 PM

Can't argue with that.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Bill D
Date: 17 Jun 10 - 11:08 PM

Well.. Greene has been confirmed as the candidate. It's obviously safer NOT to let people know who you are before the vote.

Voters, faced with 2 barely recognized candidates, seem to have just flipped a coin...or voted alphabetically. Looks like we have Jim DeMint to swear at for 6 more years.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Bobert
Date: 18 Jun 10 - 07:19 AM

Yer givin' too much credit to the coin flip, Bill... In South Carolina people can vote in any primamry they want to... I think as this story gets unraveled we'll find more than a casual effort by the South Carlina Repulican Party to not only get Green on the ballot but also to get alot of their folks to vote for him in the Democratic primary... That's where the rub is...

B~

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 18 Jun 10 - 08:24 AM

That other guy, that Vic Rawl might develop some kind of a complex.

Subject: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Genie
Date: 18 Jun 10 - 06:25 PM

It is both amazing and depressing to me that the Democratic Party officials (including most Congressional members) will not speak out against the use of unverifiable "black box" voting machines and/or against the placing of elections operations (registering and tallying the votes) in the hands of private corporations, with no transparency in either the voting process or the vote counting.

If Alvin Greene can be "elected" to be the Democratic Party Senate nominee in S. Carolina under the circumstances of this primary election, then who knows how many governmental positions will be filled in 2010 and 2012 under similarly suspect circumstances?

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional pri
From: Genie
Date: 18 Jun 10 - 06:45 PM

Ebbie, I seriously doubt that alphabetical placement would account for the overwhelming majority of the "votes" that Greene got, especially when his opponent did have some name recognition. Rawl is a former four-term state lawmaker Vic Rawl. That should make for enough name recognition in HIS OWN district to compensate a lot for ordinal position on the ballot.

DougR, you say there's "no sign of fraud yet?" Get serious. First, there's the huge question of where and how this unemployed, "indigent" guy came up with the $10k filing fee -- and the law requires that donations be disclosed unless they're very small monetary amounts.
There's no evidence that Greene campaigned - When interviewed about how and where he campaigned, he was about as specific as Sarah Palin was about what magazines & newspapers she reads.   

There are also numerous registered S Carolina voters who testified that they tried to vote for Rawls and the touch-screen machines kept trying to register the vote for Greene.

There's really no credible evidence that Green got more votes than Rawl, because there is no way to verify the accuracy of the vote count!    We have to trust that the machines are not only accurate (no glitches or bugs and were not hacked) but were not deliberately programmed to flip votes.

Add to that the fact that anyone, including Republicans, could vote to choose the Democratic Party nominee. And both Parties have been known at times in the past, where there are open primaries, to encourage their voters to vote in the other Party's primaries, especially when their own nominee has no challenger or seems to have the primary sewn up.

Even if Al Greene did actually get 60% to Rawl's 40%, that does not suggest that it was the Democrats who voted for him.

What the Republicans gain by this outcome is that neither they nor DeMint have to spend any money on the fall election, so they can spend that money elsewhere - such as trying to unseat Nancy Pelosi or Harry Reid.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Riginslinger
Date: 18 Jun 10 - 07:56 PM

It would have been a well spent ten thousand bucks then.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Bobert
Date: 18 Jun 10 - 08:13 PM

RIGS = Republican In Great Standing...

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 18 Jun 10 - 11:36 PM

Bobert - I'm not a Republican, but what happened in South Carolina seems benign to me compared to Harry Reid buying his political opponent in Nevada. Personally, I hope all the incumbents lose their jobs.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional pri
From: Genie
Date: 19 Jun 10 - 12:18 AM

I'm reluctant to endorse any sweeping "throw-the-baby-out-with-the-bath-water" call such as "throw out all the incumbents."
There are some very competent, responsible, honest, and dedicated members of Congress, such as Bernie Sanders, Russ Feingold, Jeff Merkley, and Dennis Kucinich. (There are probably a couple Republicans too. I just don't follow them as closely.).

One thing's for sure: If we throw out all the incumbents, the newly elected ones will be even more surely and securely owned by the big corporations, because no one else will have the huge financial backing it takes to get elected now (since the SCOTUS decision in Citizens United).

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 19 Jun 10 - 01:33 PM

I'm from Oregon, and it's all right with me if they want to throw Jeff Merkley out.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Ebbie
Date: 19 Jun 10 - 02:26 PM

Rig, make that southern Oregon- there is a difference, you know.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Riginslinger
Date: 19 Jun 10 - 02:39 PM

Yes, there's the "real" Oregon, and then there's them folks what live up around Eugene and Portland.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Ebbie
Date: 19 Jun 10 - 02:43 PM

lol

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Jun 10 - 08:03 PM

What southern Oregon like??? South Carolina???

Maybe I ask my son next time I talk with him... He's in Portland and says that eberyone there is purdy liberal... Except in ma & pa in law which are fundamental Pentacostals???

As for Green??? The truth will come out... I know how Southerners think... They think they can get away with just about anything until they are caught and, in this case, the crooks will be caught...

Anyone heard Green yet on the TV??? I think the man is a mental midget... I'd use the retard word but some folks get all huffy when I use it but if there was ever a time to use it it would be in describing this guy...

But, hey, Demint v. The Retard??? Hey, I'd hasve to vote fir The Retard...

B~

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Ebbie
Date: 19 Jun 10 - 08:28 PM

Well, Bobert, I would let Rig answer that question except that our answers would be markedly different. Southern Oregon is not South Carolina but - Suffice it to say that if white supremicists were to move into the valley it would scarcely be noticeable.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Jun 10 - 08:47 PM

Okee-dokee, Eb... I got the piccure... Worse than South Carolina... Hmmmmmm??? hard to do but, hey???

B~

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 19 Jun 10 - 09:09 PM

"What the Republicans gain by this outcome is that neither they nor DeMint have to spend any money on the fall election, so they can spend that money elsewhere - such as trying to unseat Nancy Pelosi or Harry Reid."

An outcome fervently to be hoped for, both. And you can throw in Barbara Boxer, too.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 19 Jun 10 - 09:33 PM

Bobert - Southern Oregon was rural, then Ronald Reagan drove the timber industry out, and those folks were replaced by retirees from California. It's so ant-tax now they can't aford to fix a pot-hole in a street, but it doesn't seem to have the racial histroy that the south has.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 19 Jun 10 - 09:46 PM

Yup. Blind anti-tax, no government, Tea-Bagger nonsense is an equal opportunity corn-holer.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Jun 10 - 11:05 PM

I'm gonna assume that that last post was Rigs... No matter.... Seems whereever you are there is lots of evidence that alot of tax dollars, federal, sate or local, are being wasted by friggin' morons... Hey we got 'um right here in Page Co., Va...

I mean, they spend $2M fir property to build their new office complex on but don't bother to do a "study period" and end up writing a check for $2M for, ahhhhhh, flood plane land and they can't buld on it??? Then, to top that, they buy a piece of property that is owned by the richest family in the county, the Graves, fir 4 times it's value without a single public hearing...

But, and this is a bigass BUT, this is what ya'll get... Ya' throw in the towel on educatin' people and now these uneducated people are voting in the morons who are runnin' the show...

...kinda like the the inmates runnin' the joint....

Welcome to America (next empire to implode...)...

B~

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,mandatory8
Date: 20 Jun 10 - 05:05 AM

what are you implying about state flags, when you make statements like the ones above? The Scottish rebels were defeated by the English in the 1700s, so now you're a backwater hick if you fly the Scottish flag? or should it just be removed from the Union Jack altogether?
That sounds like a bunch of old women complaining about a teenage girl in a short skirt, seems like there's way more important things to worry about. South Carolina has its problems, but its got nothing on any other state. Kinky Friedman took a pretty good shot at unseating Governor "39%" Perry, what did the Democratic party do? They smeared him and helped reelect the most pathetic, corrupt governor in Texas since the governor right before him.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Bobert
Date: 20 Jun 10 - 12:36 PM

Yeah, Kinky Friedman would have made a great governor... Not too sure why the Dems didn't get on board 'cuase a party needs people like Kinky... I mean, he can go out and say things that the Dems are thinkin' but are afraid to say and a party bneeds folks like that... Heck, the Repubs have a bunch of folks like that... Congressman Wilson, Congressman Barton... These guys say and do the dumbest things that the Repubs think but can't say...

Kinky Friedman for President in 1012!!!

B~

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Bobert
Date: 20 Jun 10 - 12:37 PM

...as well as 2012...

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 20 Jun 10 - 09:50 PM

"...Ya' throw in the towel on educatin' people and now these uneducated people are voting in the morons who are runnin' the show."


               Can't argue with that, but it's not all about money. Remember the "busing" fiasco, then we got "affirmative action," "title nine," and they started screwing around with curriculum to drive down boy's math scores. So the only people who could succeed were folks who were good at running-off-at-the-mouth; the smart kids learned to sit at the back of the room and keep their mouths shut. Now we got a government full of those mouthy idiots and look at the shape.

               I'm not a tea party member, and I don't agree with a lot of what they're about, but smart kids being able to succeed is part of what the tea party movement is trying to bring back.

               The Democrats have Alvin Greene!

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Ebbie
Date: 20 Jun 10 - 10:09 PM

It sounds to me like you may have been in the front of the room, Rig.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 21 Jun 10 - 12:06 AM

Yes, but at the time, that's where the smart kids sat.

             But seriously, I guy just came out with a book--I ordered it, it's not political, and so far I've just skimmed through it--but the name of it is "Why Boys Can't Learn." It has a lot to say about changes that have been made in public schools, and sheds some light on why boys are dropping out of school at such high rates.

             Mistakes have been made.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: mousethief
Date: 21 Jun 10 - 03:57 PM

So the dumbing down of Texas textbooks was done by anti-tea-party forces? After all the tea partiers are all about being smarter.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Riginslinger
Date: 21 Jun 10 - 06:06 PM

I'm not sure it has anything to do with the Tea Party, but the dumbing down of the Texas text books was done by people hopefully addicted to the ancient superstition of Christianity. We need to have people with clear heads writing text books so these kinds of things don't happen.

          Obviously, the Tea Party people who are smater are not those members who are so addicted.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Bobert
Date: 21 Jun 10 - 06:15 PM

No, Rigs... It ***is*** all about money... The Repubs have used whatever voting block they can energize to try to get themselves in power and therefore on the front teet of the money machine... They pretended to be all upset about things such as flag burning, abortion and other silly emotional things that the so0called Christain Right got lathered up over.... But the Christain Right is not as dependable a voting block so now its the Tea Party which couldn't care less about religion but still unenmlightned, less educated, emotional, pissed off people...

That is reality...

The Repubs are whores of the highest order... I'm not saying that the Dems aren't motivated by money also but the Dems just aren't as overtly whoring themselves to get to the money trough...

B~

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Riginslinger
Date: 21 Jun 10 - 06:21 PM

Yes, I think the Democrats are more impressed with power, so they'll forgo a little money to have the power. In either case, it's not a good thing for the small people.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,mandatory8
Date: 22 Jun 10 - 07:29 PM

there was a couple from West Texas, that for years, went to every meeting of the Text Book committee in Austin. I can't remember their names, but they single handedly changed a lot text books, and turned that process into the politically correct mess it is today. I think the 1960s was their heydey, and thats when they came to the attention of the media. At one point Playboy magazine ran a short article on them, where they answered some questions. One was what they thought about Catholics, (which is how I happened to be raised up). They didn't consider them Christians because 1) they didn't read the bible (very true)and 2)because they worshipped false gods. That one stumped me for a while, till I got in my parents' car and noticed the plastic St. Christopher, and we drove by a couple "bathtub Marys" (you see them all the time in Quebec, a statue of Mary in the front yard with an old, sawed in half bathtub over to keep the snow off) and I realized what they were saying, and it makes me feel proud to know I was raised in the old Celtic/european tradition of multi-god worship, and not the monotheistic plague that swept out of the stinking desert.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Riginslinger
Date: 22 Jun 10 - 07:31 PM

Good points all, mandatory...

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,mandarory8
Date: 22 Jun 10 - 07:37 PM

The tea party started out just fine and for good reason, I'm sick of having money taken from me, by threat of force, to be used for corporate welfare and to kill more dark skinned people around the world. The only problem with the movement is allowing itself to be used by jackasses like Palin and Beck.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Jun 10 - 08:09 PM

Actually the Tea party was the best funded 3rd party in American history.... If you look at the milliona and millions of dollars that Dick Armey's lobbiest firm spent on their Freedom Now project it makes Ross Perot look like some bum on the street... Make no bones about it, between FOX and Dick Armies clients it is a wonder that the Tea Party isn'tr even bigger...

The Tea Party was all drawn up in right wing think tanks... For anyone who thinks it is some kinda grassroots organization please step forward 'cause I have a bridge to sell ya'...

B~

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 22 Jun 10 - 09:36 PM

But how does this relate to black candidates in South Carolina?

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Jun 10 - 09:54 PM

Well, Rigs, ol' buddy... It doesn't...

Just seems that these threads drift in and out....

But seriously, it does relate.... The Tea Party is part of an overall Republican strategy to get back to the big money thru winning back either the Seante ot House or both...

In manipulating the S.C. primary with a less than average intellegent black man they have worked wonders in energizin their redneck base who, inspite of their own intellectual shortcomings, can hypocritically look at Green as a representative of the collective intellegence of black people in general... This is nothing but back room right wing think tank crap being brought into the picture...

Where did Green get the money to run, Rigs??? Hey, he had to have a court appointed lawyer for the porno charge he is facing... If he had $10,000 sittin' somewhere then the court would have had him use that money to hire a lawyer...

This ain't rocket surgery here, Rigs...

B~

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,mandatory8
Date: 23 Jun 10 - 12:37 AM

Speaking of bridges for sale, and its time to smell the coffee ..... When you talk about the Congress and Presidency of the US, there are no Democrats or Republicans, there is only the ruling class.
and as for your concerns: Hahaha, the people want what?

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,mandatory8
Date: 23 Jun 10 - 04:24 AM

I don't know about this guy in South Carolina, but one thing to keep in mind about that part of the country, it started as a penal colony. The english emptied their jails and sent their criminals there, its in the genes. But I'd expect to see more of this as people wake up to how they've been used by both parties.
I was raised with an understanding that Working class families, ethnic types, academics, etc. were better off voting Democratic. The veil lifted from my eyes when Bill Clinton signed NAFTA, and the middle class began to shrink, as high paying manufacturing jobs went to Mexico and then to China, so I held my nose when I voted for Obama, because I didn't expect much.
So who are he and the congress working for? It isn't for the American people. For China, yes, for the corrupt government of Mexico, yes, for Israel, yes, for Wall Street and Goldman-Sachs, yeah buddy.
I've paid my taxes and all I'm getting is a police state. If you feel good about that, you just keep sending those crooks your money. Matter of fact, I'm on unemployment now because of this economic irresponsibility, so if you're that stupid, send the government more taxes.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Jun 10 - 07:57 AM

Well, mandatory, hate to split hairs but if you look at the programs and laws that have been enacted that tend to create more security for the working class you'll find that most were initiated and enacted under democratic administrations... Social Security, Medicare, The Civil Rights Act, Headstart, The Job Corps, Health Care Reform, etc...

Okay, I'll admit that I am not all that thrilled with the Health Care Reform but it is a start and will get tweeked in the coming years... The rest of these programs and laws have been aimed at the working class...

And this from a Greenie who also holds nose when voting fir Dems...

B~

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Ebbie
Date: 23 Jun 10 - 10:11 AM

Your hypothesis explaining the political weirdness of South Carolina, Mandatory8, is not borne out by history. What about New England? England transported their criminals to that area before they sent them south.

Present-day residents in the New England states are a far cry from those roots.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Riginslinger
Date: 23 Jun 10 - 10:22 AM

I don't know; Joe Lieberman lives in Connecticut.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Ebbie
Date: 23 Jun 10 - 11:53 AM

:)

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 Jun 10 - 01:41 PM

South Carolina... it started as a penal colony...

That was Georgia, but pretty much the same difference.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,mandatory8
Date: 23 Jun 10 - 07:17 PM

yeah, it was Georgia that was the penal colony, but the boundaries were defined poorly then, and if you've ever spent any time in Spartansburg....well, never mind that,
heaithcare has needed attention for a long time, its killing industry and small businesses, but when the nation's broke, those guys had no business creating another expense. If troops were pulled out of the middle east we'd have enough, not only for health care but free drinks for everybody. The real problem is costs, and there was no serious attempt to deal with that. Given, thats a hard thing to legislate, but now, Hospitals are allowed to operate as unregulated monopolies, and it'll continue to spiral. My god, been to an ER lately? Three hours in there costs as much as a new Martin guitar, all proportion is gone.
The thing that infuriates me about Democrats is they had so many bad laws to undo, and they didn't touch a thing, just went straight ahead with even more ill considered programs, (amnesty for illegals) which will, I predict, get a lot of them replaced by republicans. Then whats been gained?
Except for one or maybe two, I've got too much self respect to vote for a republican, but I'm independant now and the first thing I'm looking for on the ballot next time is a libertarian.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Jun 10 - 07:49 PM

No, when yer sdpending 17% of yer GNP and you don't rank in the top 20 in most medical stats, other than infant mortality, and yer competition is spendin' 8-9% and ranking in the Top Ten then this ain't creating an "expensive program"... It's creatin' a means for the US to become more competitive... Hedge fund manager and credit default swap people spill the 10 year costs for health care every single day...

Now, when this legislation gets to tyhe tweeking stage I hope that the health care providers get the butt whup that is way overdue...

B~

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,mandatory8
Date: 23 Jun 10 - 07:57 PM

I'd never read about the english sending convicts to New England, but it doesn't surprise me, the Puritans were certainly persona non gratis in England at the time, a drive around Cape Breton will tell you where all the pesky highlanders went after 1745, actually we're all pretty much descended from the rebels, misfits and dregs of Europe, however that was defined at the time.
History is a funny thing, because only one side ever gets told. I'll bet 9 out of 10 people with college educations would tell you the civil war was fought over slavery, or that the colonists won their revolution because Washington was a military genius or maybe because the French entered the war, And that's the highly educated people, or the ones that can regurgitate whats been put in their head, and have a retention period of more than 5 minutes. Doesn't mean they've learned how to think, or to see patterns or know that history is going to repeat over and over and over again as long as those with the power aren't relieved of it often, very often.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,Rigingslinger
Date: 23 Jun 10 - 10:14 PM

"'...when yer sdpending 17% of yer GNP and you don't rank in the top 20 in most medical stats, other than infant mortality, and yer competition is spendin' 8-9% and ranking in the Top Ten then this ain't creating an "expensive program"...'

                Yeah, we ought to get rid of illegal immigration and put an end to all of that.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Jun 10 - 10:44 PM

See, Rigs, here's the rub... Even though lots of folks are considered "illegal" they do get Social Security numbers and Drivers Licenses and all that and theese folks who are these so-called illegals are workin' for companies that take out stuff like FICA and federal income taxes... What that means is that we have one shit-load of "illegals" working every day, improving our economy because they will do the crappy jobs and... And this is a big ***AND***, they...

... are younger and they are supporting our retirees Social Security...

It a demographics kinda thing and aging population kinda thing but, like it or not, if you took all the "illegals" outta the FICA equation then you'd end up in a serious situation with Social Security...

I know... Horrors... How could "illegals" being helpin' our country??? Well, if you get beyond the emotional bullshit about immigrant and delve into reality (I know, horrors, part 2) then what we see is that these "illegals" are supporting the Baby Boomers Social Security...

I know, it's much easier to parrot the right wing talking points but, hey, the right wing ain't got shit figured out about reality...

B~

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Jun 10 - 08:08 AM

"...these so-called illegals are workin' for companies that take out stuff like FICA and federal income taxes..."

                Not very often. That's why crooked employers like to hire them. Not only can they pay very low wages, but they don't have to pay the payroll taxes as well.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Riginslinger
Date: 24 Jun 10 - 12:22 PM

"...these so-called illegals are workin' for companies that take out stuff like FICA and federal income taxes..."

                Not very often. That's why crooked employers like to hire them. Not only can they pay very low wages, but they don't have to pay the payroll taxes as well.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,mandatory8
Date: 25 Jun 10 - 01:00 AM

apparently, to every president at least as far back as reagan, illegal doesn't mean illegal when it involves foreign nationals.
Just coming into the country illegally is a felony. If any of them pay social security taxes, etc., they're using stolen identities, that's two crimes. Simply put, the executive branch is derelict.
In this region, illegals are the main source of indigent care, which drives skyrocketing health care costs. Many smaller hospitals in south Texas have had to close their doors because of it. On top of that, they qualify for government programs. So, I'm paying for the cheap labor used by big food processing companies. That sounds fair.
Now you have local areas going broke because the federal government won't do their job. and I see this administration is going to sue Arizona, because the people there simply can't afford this mess anymore. Another good use of tax money. That's ok boys, it grows on trees and some people enjoy paying it.
Bush's thugs in the "justice department" were even putting border guards in jail for doing their jobs.
The American people are patient to a fault. we keep paying so somebody else can get rich.
and I'd feel better if any amnesty talk was for people living in tent cities instead of for known felons. I think harry read, and obama should go to work for the Mexican government, oh, why I guess they already do.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 25 Jun 10 - 08:07 AM

Good points, mandatory, but why not make that Hairy Reed?

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: pdq
Date: 25 Jun 10 - 12:16 PM

Elisio Medina of SEIU...
                                                                   brags about illegal aliens

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Ebbie
Date: 25 Jun 10 - 12:28 PM

Are you that dumb, dishonest, disingenuous,despicable, pdq?

Or maybe you don't know the difference?

Your linked video is of a Latino speaker who, far from "bragging about illegal aliens", specifically mentions "on a path to citizenship and eventually voters". He never once mentions illegal immigrants. Immigration to this country is LEGAL.

You owe us all an apology.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: pdq
Date: 25 Jun 10 - 12:38 PM

If people don't like that clip by Elisio Medina, there seem to be 57 more on YouTube.

Enjoy yourself.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Ebbie
Date: 25 Jun 10 - 12:44 PM

You mean, pdq, that you stand by it? Did YOU watch the video?

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Bobert
Date: 25 Jun 10 - 12:48 PM

Nah, Rigs... I don't think you've done yer homework on just how much is collected in taxes and FICA by "illegals"... It is a misconception that most are hired by crooked businessmen... A small businessman isn't going to do that all that much because, in not taking out taxes and FICA, he is subjecting himself to some serious auditin' from IRS... The problem in hiring someone under that table is that you can't use them as an expense yet you have to make the money to pay them... Even the dumbest business owners understand that... I mean, it's cheaper to hire someone and pay the taxes than to have to earn the money to pay them under the table and not show it as an expense... Basic Business 101...

BTW, up until 2004 I hired two such "illegals"... Great guys... Took out taxes...

BTW, Part 2... Given that many "illegals" won't be retiring here the money they put into FICA is like free money...

B~

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Ebbie
Date: 25 Jun 10 - 02:50 PM

pdq, are you going to sit by and let your 'mistake' go uncorrected? Or are you so intent on *winning* that you think people won't notice your deceitfulness?

BTW, 100.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Riginslinger
Date: 25 Jun 10 - 02:52 PM

"It is a misconception that most are hired by crooked businessmen..."

                   Anybody hiring an illegal alien is a crooked businessman.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Kent Davis
Date: 25 Jun 10 - 11:11 PM

Fascinating thread! So, if I'm understanding y'all, Alvin Greene's 100,362 votes in the Democratic primary were cast by Republicans. Great detective work, guys!

Have you figured out how the Republican leadership spread the word without the Democrats and the news media finding out until it was too late. Do you think they used secret decoder rings, or do you figure it was telepathy?

Well, anyway, we know it HAD to be motivated by racism. It was probably a white supremacist plot from Republican National Committee chairman, Michael Steele http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Steele er, well, I mean, maybe it wasn't him exactly, but anyway we all KNOW those South
Carolina Republicans only vote for people of Northern European descent like that Nikki Haley http://www.nikkihaley.com/ ...er, I mean like that Tim Scott http://www.votetimscott.com/...uhm, er...never mind.

Kent

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Jun 10 - 08:16 AM

That is not true, at all, Rigs.... You have some very serious misconception about "illegals"... There are millions of "illegals" in this country with Social Security numbers, drivers licenses, homes, kids in schools, regular jobs, attending schools, paying their way and trying to live the American dream...

Man, you need to get into the real world, Rigs, and quit parroting the Tea Party company fight songs... If you arrested every businessman who has an "illegal" in this country, you'd have to build a couple thousand prisons to house them all... And what about sub-contratcors??? If a general contractor subs out a portion of a project and that sub-contractor employes anumber of "illegals" would you arrest the general conractor, too??? If so then I would imaging that you also have to arrest one shitload of government people, too...

Man, I worries about you, Rigs... I really do...

B~

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 26 Jun 10 - 08:47 AM

Yes, I've hired illegal aliens through sub-contractors without knowing it myself. And I'm aware of companies hiring illegal aliens with fake social security numbers--like that meat packing plant in Fremont, Nebraska, where the good people stood up and put a stop to it.

             None of that makes it right, and the board of directors of Tyson Foods should all be in jail--they send recruiters into Mexico to hire these criminals, so they can't pretend not to know they're illegal.

             I think we're on the way to solving the problem, however, thanks to Arizona.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Kent Davis
Date: 26 Jun 10 - 09:59 AM

But seriously, what if Alvin Greene's win is explained by this:
1. Senator DeMint is considered almost certain to be re-elected in the fall.
2. Therefore it seems to make little difference who runs against him.
3. Therefore there seems to be little point in devoting much attention to the Democratic primary.
4. Furthermore, the relatively few people interested in the Democratic primary may have thought of Mr. Greene as a vanity candidate who just liked seening his name on the ballot, but who had no chance of winning the primary.
5. Therefore no one campaigned against Mr. Greene (i.e., his "positives" may have been low, but his "negatives" were non-existant).
6. The combination of factors listed above meant that there was little reason for the news media to devote much time to the Democratic primary, which in turn meant that there was even less knowledge about the race.
7. Voters are frequently told that voting is not just a right, but also a DUTY. Believing this, some therefore vote in each contest, even if they know very little about the candidates.
8. Therefore a good portion of voters in the Democratic primary made their vote based on intuition rather than rational arguments, so things like the sound of a candidate's name or his placement on the ballot (which was alphabetical) became deciding factors.

Then again, maybe it was a vast right-wing conspiracy to prevent African-Americans from being elected by....uh, well...umm...by electing them. Yeah, that's gotta be it.

Kent

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Jun 10 - 10:16 AM

One major question looms, Kent, that you did not address... Perhaps you'll be so kinda as answer it and that is...

...can Repubs vote in the S.C. Democratic primary???

Just a simple yes or no will do just fine...

B~

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Kent Davis
Date: 26 Jun 10 - 10:39 AM

Of course. How else could they have voted Alvin Greene in? Republicans certainly would not have bothered to vote in the hotly-contested REPUBLICAN primary when they had the chance to choose which Democrat will be defeated by Senator DeMint this fall. Now there's a strategy!
Kent

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 27 Jun 10 - 12:11 AM

And now the Republicans have nominated Tim Scott, and he understands how important the recent Arizona law is to out-of-work blacks.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,mandatory8
Date: 27 Jun 10 - 01:58 AM

ya know, I hear rationalizations from apologists for both parties, but either illegal means illegal or it doesn't. It doesn't mean "well we're making money off a few of them, so its ok." Illegal is illegal and either the law needs to be changed or it needs to be enforced. They won't change the law because they'd be tarred and feathered.
But they're going to let immigrants in, both illegal and record numbers of legal. You don't do that with 20% unemployment, unless you're purposely trying to drive the working class into poverty.
Where else do we have selective enforcement? for first time, non violent possession of "drug paraphenalia"? Not where I live, you're going to prison, Jack.
This is official misconduct by public officials, or what we laughingly refer to as our public servants, who take oaths to do their duty, to uphold the constitution. Both parties are ignoring the law.
when you try to explain this away, you're saying "yeah, he's a crook, but he's our crook," When you protect your crook, nobody's gonna listen to girlish whining about the other guy's crook.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,mandatory8
Date: 27 Jun 10 - 02:25 AM

speaking of millions of illegals flooding into the country unchecked, and Obama wanting to throw them an amnesty celebration, how long do think its going to take the black people in this country to wake up and see the betrayal of their elected "leaders" in the Democratic party, who are going along with this?
Or is this a mute point because so many of them are being warehoused in jails, or because the party doesn't need them any more?

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 27 Jun 10 - 08:21 AM

It sounds to me, mandatory, like they are finally waking up. For years they were fed that "Rainbow" shit from Jesse Jackson, and most of them bought it. But they've nominated Tim Scott and he's got a good chance of winning in South Carolina, and there's a black woman running for Congress in California with a similar platform.
                The old "get whitey" mandate of Jackson and Sharpton is being replaced by a bunch of "I can think for myself" black candidates around the country.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Jun 10 - 08:43 PM

Interesting that these discussions never came up when the economy was humming from cheap labor but now that it ain't it's jump on the last guy in the pool??? I mean, I personally knew plenty of good ol' redneck contractors in the 90s who couldn't say enough good stuff about their *Mezkin* workers... Same folks now want to have 'um all rounded up and killed like they uis now the enemy??? Funny how things work out, ain't it???

B~

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 28 Jun 10 - 01:42 AM

The reason the folks passed Proposition 187 in California in 1994 was because they were tired of paying for a bunch of illegal aliens. It wasn't their fault that some Federal Judge rendered it unconstitutional and Gray Davis refused to appeal it. The people got even, though, in the end. They threw out Gray Davis.

                   I guess some folks just weren't payin' attention.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Joe Offer
Date: 28 Jun 10 - 01:56 AM

But what hasn't been proven, Riginslinger, is that the illegal aliens cost the taxpayers a significant amount of money. Most studies seem to show that what they cost is about the same as what they contribute.

The fact the voters in California had the perception that they were paying lots of money for illegal aliens is immaterial. What matters is whether they actually do cost the taxpayers money - and the answer to that question is buried in rhetoric.

It's true, though, that most illegal aliens are very poor. For all of human history, it has always been the practice of demagogues and bigots and politicians to make scapegoats of the poor - the bible story of dives and Lazarus is a good example. Why should our modern age be any more compassionate? We have a proud tradition of disdain for the poor to uphold.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 28 Jun 10 - 08:29 AM

"...and the answer to that question is buried in rhetoric."

          Folks who have something to gain on one side or the other will continue to produce studies that support their postition. Those of us who have suffered from the increase in illegal immigration make up out own minds. Many farmers, who benefit from illegal immigration still support the practice.

          The point here, however, was Bobert was asking the question: Where was all of this outrage in the 1990's. The answer, of course is it was alive and well, especially in California.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Bobert
Date: 28 Jun 10 - 08:41 AM

Yep, Joe... That's what has happened here... The disinformation has spread in such a wave of emotionalism that the truth has been hopelessy buried under the avalanche...

B~

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Riginslinger
Date: 28 Jun 10 - 11:41 AM

Yes, well, the people of California tried desperately to keep the state from falling into the economic morass that it finds itself in now, but the elites wouldn't have it.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Riginslinger
Date: 01 Jul 10 - 11:24 AM

It sounds like they're going to give it one more try.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,mandatory8
Date: 02 Jul 10 - 05:32 PM

It HAS been proven that illegal immigration costs the taxpayers a TON of money. Not necessarily everybody, and not necessarily on your federal income taxes. In a time of economic crisis, my mortgage payments have been going up about $500 a year for the last several years. That's local property taxes, mostly school taxes. A good chunk of that is influx of people from south of the border, and a chunk of that is hiring bilingual teachers. What gets my panties in a wad is that the feds aren't protecting the border and the states have to pick up the tab. Thats why you're seeing Arizona's new laws. Besides the property taxes, you could take a look at the hospital emergency rooms, programs like WIC and food stamps, and see who's using it here, and its costing somebody a lot of money, and I saved the best for last: look at the jails and prisons here. Not the federal prisons, but the state and counties. Its ridiculous how many Mexican nationals are here getting 3 hots and a cot, not to mention whatever damages or victims they left. When they simply shouldn't be here.
The border is a sieve, by design. I don't mind a few people coming over but its a flood. I don't mind the drugs coming over either, but look at the people bringing them now, and settling into the neighborhoods of our cities.
I don't care about a few bloods and crips shooting it up once in a while, but these new guys are dangerous.
So open those saggy eyelids, maybe with some crystal meth, fresh from Mexico, its been proven they're costing a lot of money.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Jul 10 - 06:17 PM

So when Obama proposes that immigration refom get pushed in Congress, as he did again yesterday, nothin' from the usual suspects who curl up into their victim shell and blame everything that is going wrong in their lives on Hispanics??? Hmmmmmm??? Where were these mental midgets in the 90's whn everything was humming from an influx of cheap labor... Nar a peep out the usual suspects... Normal... That's why they call it hypocrisy...

B~

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,mandatory8
Date: 02 Jul 10 - 06:33 PM

Whoa, it has been proven that illegal immigration costs taxpayers a LOT of money. Not necessarily everybody, and not necessarily on your federal income taxes. In a time of economic crisis, my property taxes have been going up about $500 a year, this will be the third year running. Almost all of that is schools. Most of that is influx of people from south of the border. That includes hiring of bi-lingual teachers. Besides that, you can take a look here in Texas, at who's on programs like WIC and food stamps, or look at the uninsured users of hospital emergency rooms, or, look at the jails and prisons. Not the federal prisons, but the state and county. Its ridiculous how many Mexican nationals are in County jails here, getting 3 hots and a cot, not to mention what damage they caused to victims. They shouldn't have been here in the first place. That's all costing somebody a ton of money. Why do you think Arizona enacted that law? Just to be pricks? they're going broke. You may be rich, but I can't afford it, either.
The southern border is a sieve by design, and the constitution gives the federal government the job of protecting the border. They aren't and they haven't been, knowing full well those border states are picking up the tab.
Nobody's ever minded a few people coming over, but its become a flood, now, and extremely flagrant. I don't even mind the drugs coming over, they're cheaper and safer than pharmaceuticals. Its the people bringing them now that bother me. I don't care about the Crips and bloods shooting things up now and then, they're not very good shots anyway. But these new guys, the Mexican and cental American gangs settling into our neighborhoods are dangerous. That's going to cost somebody way more than money in the future.
This is irresponsibility of the government on the highest order, playing political games with people's safety by allowing this to happen.
Its costing American taxpayers a lot of money. Perhaps you need your droopy eyelids opened. Try some Crystal meth, fresh from Mexico.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Riginslinger
Date: 02 Jul 10 - 06:48 PM

"Where were these mental midgets in the 90's whn everything was humming from an influx of cheap labor..."


               See post June 28th, 01:42 AM

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,mandatory8
Date: 02 Jul 10 - 06:48 PM

I see, we have millions of illegals "paying social security taxes.." etc. While at the same time, id theft has become a major issue. How do you suppose that works?
and I need to take a pole or something: what does illegal mean? And what would happen to you if you broke the law?

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Riginslinger
Date: 02 Jul 10 - 07:22 PM

Some illegals with phoney social security numbers have money taken out of their checks, and that money is deposited into an account. Probably more illegals with phoney social security have money taken out of their checks that stays with the crooked employers who hired them in the first place, but more illegals than that work under the table for cash, or are employed on farms and ranches and paid piece-work, so nothing is withheld, and nothing is paid into social security at all.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Jul 10 - 09:01 PM

Yo, mandatory....

Proclamations are just that!!! Proven??? By whom, pray tell??? Rush Limbaugh??? Glen Beck???

What a total crock of absolute bullshit and twisted rationalizations by a bunch of crybaby Republicans...

I mean, lets get the reality hat on here... WIC and Food Stamps ain't a blip on the federal budget... Now look at the surpluses that Slick Willie turned over to Bush... Much of that was fueled by cheap labor... The entire 90s economy was fuled by Hispanic labor... And guess what??? These folks will still work cheap??? Ain't that what you Repubs have always wanted??? I mean, cheap labor to bust up the unions??? Well, ya'll got it now and like the saying' goes, "Be carefull what you ask for"...

So fir ya'll now to be complainin' that all that cheap labor that fueled a decade of unprecidented growth is now costin' ya'' pennies on the dollar is somewhat hypocritical... Somewhat, Hell??? It's 100% bullshit hypocritical... It's kinda like slave owner mentality, come to think of it...

Google up WIC and Food Stamps as a percentage of the federal budget and ya'll see that this is the bullshitiest argument of all bullshit... Bar none... Just Republican immigrant hatin' talkin' points based on mythology...

B~

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 03 Jul 10 - 08:41 AM

It fueled growth for a short while, then turned into a huge money burning furnace that will surely end in runaway inflation.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Sawzaw
Date: 03 Jul 10 - 09:47 AM

S.C. Democrats refuse to oust Alvin Greene as Senate nominee

Washington Post June 17, 2010

Members of the South Carolina Democratic Party's executive committee voted overwhelmingly tonight against holding a new Senate primary, upholding last week's controversial win by unemployed veteran Alvin Greene (D) over former state Rep. Vic Rawl (D).

Rawl, who lost to Greene 59 percent to 41 percent, had brought his case before the committee tonight, but the 61 members present rejected his protest by a five-to-one margin. Rawl said in brief remarks after the committee meeting that he would not appeal the decision. Greene did not attend the meeting, which took place in Columbia and lasted for more than five hours.

For the time being, the decision means that Greene remains the party's nominee to face Sen. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.) in the fall.

But with several unresolved questions surrounding Greene's candidacy, the next step is unclear: South Carolina legislators and watchdog organizations have called for further investigations into the primary, citing problems with voting machines, a felony obscenity charge facing Greene and the issue of his payment of the $10,440 candidate filing fee despite being unemployed.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional pri
From: Charley Noble
Date: 03 Jul 10 - 11:30 AM

Sawzaw-

Thanks for the update on Green's status as a US Senate nominee.

I was beginning to wonder when someone would mention him in this thread.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 05 Jul 10 - 12:48 PM

And not only that, there seems to be a growing number of black Republicans.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Bobert
Date: 05 Jul 10 - 01:09 PM

The problem, as I see it, isn't that tyhe Dems are stickin' with Greene as much as it is the mystery surrounding his nomination... That is still unresolved... No matter, the Dems could run Jesus Christ and DeMint would still win 'cause S.C. ain't exactly brimmin' with I.Q...

B~

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 05 Jul 10 - 08:13 PM

Actually, I can think of a whole lot of reasons not to vote for Jesus Christ!

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: pdq
Date: 05 Jul 10 - 08:26 PM

Yes, there seem to be quite a few Black folks running as Republicans this year.

Probably 12-15 just for the US House and Senate seats, including a retired general and talk show host Star Parker.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Joe Offer
Date: 05 Jul 10 - 09:46 PM

No, way, Riginslinger. I heard that Jesus Christ registered Republican last year, and nothing is going to break my streak of voting for Anybody But Republicans...

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Bobert
Date: 05 Jul 10 - 10:15 PM

My exact sentiments, Joe...

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Ebbie
Date: 05 Jul 10 - 11:20 PM

May I say that Jesus Christ registering as a Republican is just another lie concocted by Republicans. :)

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,manmdatory8
Date: 06 Jul 10 - 04:35 AM

first of all, I have no party affiliation because both parties are corrupt beyond reason. They stuff their pockets, and play the american people for fools on any emotional issue they can. This is one. I would think that by the time you were in your mid twenties you'de be smart enough to see that. I've never seen such idiocy as people in this country dividing between party lines and attacking each other, While the Rockefellers and other thieves keep getting richer at our expense. Democrats and republicans both doing that, and it makes them sound like Rush limbaugh's little P-brain fried on drugs.
Does nobody here work for a living? There's a lot of trust fund kids in this town, but I thought most places you had to work for a living. Do you know what happens to wages when you flood the market with cheap labor? Do you realize what you get when you destroy the middle class of a country? You get a feudal society like Mexico. They have more billionaires in Mexico than there are in the US. Now they have warlords with their own fiefdoms and armies, because that country is so corrupt nobody is going to stand up for it. Why would they? Does anybody see the implication? Or do you have to wait for Obama or Karl Rove to tell you what to think?

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,Mandatory8
Date: 06 Jul 10 - 04:46 AM

oops kinda went off there, The guy in South carolina? Are they using electronic voting machines there? That explains most of the voting anomalies going on. I know the politicians all say they're safe and can't be hacked, but of course a lot of them are investors in the companies that make them. Oddly enough independent tests find them very easy to hack. Who do you believe?

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Bobert
Date: 06 Jul 10 - 08:21 AM

Ah hummm... Gettin' just a tired of this "both sides are guilty of bad behavior" mythology because it is clear that the loonie right has the market captured in childish behavior...

I mean, let's get real here... The US economy is headed back into the crapper and most non-flat-earth-economists have been saying that the initial stimulis package was too small and are advising US to get another one going... And quick... But the loonie right wants to fight the deficit??? Fighting the deficit during a recession is lunacy... It's irresponsible... And it is a formula for an even deeper recession, perhaps a full blown depression... But the loonie right is going to use it's "minority rule" powers to push the US economy down as far as it can??? That, my friends, is bad behavior... There is nothing in the Dem trick bag that is in the same league when it comes to bad behavior... This isn't a matter of difference of opinion... The loonie right knows full well that cutting public spending in the middle of a recession when the private sector isn't spending is suicide for everyone... That bad behavior...

Now we have the Sovereign Citizens movement, also fueled by the loony right made up of the looniest of the right who think it's perfectly okay to kill government workers!?!?! They even hold seminars on anti-government activities!?!?! And guess what??? Give??? When a loony righter showed up at a rally where the president was going to speak with a bigass gun strapped on his leg and a sign that suggested that violence was perfectly okay the message was clear: HATE THE GOVERNMENT!!! And I don't recall the Republican Party stepping forward sayin' "Hey, ya'll, that's bad behavior..." Instead, in it's silence it sent a clear message that there is no bad behavior as long as it is folks on the right are engaged in it...

So now it has progressed to a movement that is out to kill government workers becuase the Repubs, who BTW hate not being in power of, ahhhhhh, the "government", are willing to stand by in silence while their goons organize to kill government workers???

So, as for those of you who might be quick to say that there's bad bahavior on both sides: Hitler said that the "people will belive the BIG LIE" and that's exactly what we have... The Repubs are all about the BIG LIE to get the power and the direct line to the corporate cash back...

That is the real story here...

B~

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 06 Jul 10 - 08:39 AM

It's funny Jesus Christ would register Republican, but I usually vote Green myself.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: pdq
Date: 06 Jul 10 - 10:20 AM

" They have more billionaires in Mexico than there are in the US." ~ mandatory8

Where do you get your information?

The US has at least 400 billionaires, Mexico about 10.

Add a few drug cartel leaders if you want, but that still means your statement is a bit silly.

"electronic voting... I know the politicians all say they're safe...but of course a lot of them are investors in the companies that make them..." ~ same

Name one.

I voted on a machine that was made by a company that was bought by the United Arab Emerits, but I don't think they hold any elective office in the US. Said machine also has a paper copy of your vote that you can check before hitting the submit button.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Riginslinger
Date: 06 Jul 10 - 04:10 PM

Most of the billionaires in Mexico are drug dealers and they don't want the competition to know where their assets are hidden.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Bill D
Date: 06 Jul 10 - 04:22 PM

"...they don't want the competition to know where their assets are hidden."

Or their asses...

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,mandatory8
Date: 07 Jul 10 - 10:54 AM

I don't understand why, when you're talking about illegal immigration, you even mention democrats or republicans. The gates were thrown wide open under the Bush regime. One of the 8 new US district attorneys that Alberto Gonzales got in trouble for was hatchet man Johnny Sutton, an old pal of Bush's, who was actually prosecuting border guards for doing their job. Its not a party thing, it's a cheap labor thing, for the corporations that own both the parties. There's congressmen in both parties being pressured by the people in their districts that are against amnesty. I can guarantee you there's plenty of Republicans that'll vote against protecting the border.
I can understand that, maybe, up in New England its not a big issue, but it should be for any body that works for a living. Man, what do you tell your kids if they ask you what illegal means?

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,mandatory8
Date: 07 Jul 10 - 11:20 AM

Wait a minute, speaking of the border, Why is there all this huge waste of time and money at airports, with what feels like German soldiers in a WWII movie asking for "Papers please", and taking your shoes off, while they look for whatever in the hell they're looking for. That's the biggest crock-o-shit I've ever seen, especially because if there actually were terrorists bent on destroying this country, its been proven, they can just stroll over the southern border, with thousands of others, with whatever bombs they prefer.
And if I know that, the heads of all those useless spy/security departments know that. If you don't protect the border, then why the harassment at the airports? The US is already on everybody's list of top 10 police states. and this is why the democrats are no better than the Republicans. they've had a chance to do away with this crap and its gotten worse.
I can't understand why everybody isn't protesting paying taxes to this government, when that's what they use the money for.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Riginslinger
Date: 07 Jul 10 - 11:22 AM

You can't put the people in the airports on the border. They don't speak English or Spanish.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,mandatory
Date: 13 Jul 10 - 09:04 PM

oh damn, that was supposed to be per capita, and even at that......, lets see, USA, 1 in 750,000, Mexico, 1 in 4 million. Mybad.
OK, sorry, that was as lame as saying there's a lot of illegal immigrants paying into the social security system, but we can't quantify it at all.
But the point is the same, there's a big corruption problem in Mexico and it's kept people there poor. I'm not buying Forbes' numbers though, its a lot higher than 10.
But, numbers are just numbers, and nobody's answered this....
Say you're on a jury, and somebody's on trial for doing something illegal, what do you say?
"Well, don't worry, partner, illegal's ok in these parts, lets go get us a drink"
I might, but that's me.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 13 Jul 10 - 10:11 PM

Here's where it will go if you're not careful, Mandatory. Some dizzy idiot will come along and suggest that illegal aliens ought to be able to draw social security. Look forward to starvation with that one.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 14 Jul 10 - 01:21 AM

The unique punctuation, the subtle mis-spellings, the rampant commas. I know who you are...

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Joe Offer
Date: 14 Jul 10 - 02:03 PM

mandatory8 asks why there's so much security at the airports. Gee, I wonder what happened on September 11, 2001. Just an ordinary day, eh?

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Riginslinger
Date: 14 Jul 10 - 04:00 PM

And after the election, will Alvin Greene be able to hire on as a security guard at an airport. Probably not, because he has a history here--they have to hire foreigners that they don't know anything about and can't find out.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Bobert
Date: 14 Jul 10 - 04:55 PM

Ahhhh, not to mention Alvin's criminal background check, Rigs... He *is* facing a felony pornography charge...

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Riginslinger
Date: 14 Jul 10 - 05:37 PM

Which adresses the point, one could be facing murder in India, but if nobody knew about it, the murdered could come to the states and take a job in security at a major airport.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Riginslinger
Date: 22 Jul 10 - 07:53 PM

By the way - I read in a column yesterday that Alvin Greene had a bachaloriate degree in Political Science. If true, he can't be a stupid as the Democrats keep saying he is.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Jul 10 - 08:13 PM

I've heard him, Rigs... If he has a degree, it's a mail order one...

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 22 Jul 10 - 08:31 PM

I think you mean "baccalaureate", yes?

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Jul 10 - 08:38 PM

No matter, it's mail order... If it even exists... Maybe this is another Breitbart dirty trick???

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 22 Jul 10 - 09:16 PM

You're right, TIA--the above post will probably go away.

Anyway, this is what it says in Wikipedia about Alvin Greene.

University of South Carolina
BA, political science, 2000

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Bill D
Date: 22 Jul 10 - 10:14 PM

"(CNN) – New documents indicate that Senate candidate Alvin Greene, a political novice who shocked observers by winning the South Carolina Democratic primary, has a less than stellar military record.

According to records obtained by the Associated Press, Greene was denied two promotions and made "mistakes as severe as uploading sensitive information improperly, and as basic as an overall inability to clearly express his thoughts and perform basic tasks."

The records cover a short, three year period of Greene's service in the Air Force."

He will, of course, not win..... *I* still want to know where the $10,000 for the filing fee came from.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 22 Jul 10 - 11:52 PM

Being a klutz as a soldier will probably help him with left wing voters.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 22 Jul 10 - 11:56 PM

Nope. His voters were right wing. SC has crossover and a totally safe Repub in the primaries. Do the logic if you can...

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 23 Jul 10 - 07:16 AM

You mean buy into the conspiracy, if I can. Sorry!

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Jul 10 - 08:05 AM

It wouild be just another conspiracy theory if SC hadn't allready been caught doing the crossover jitterbug before... This is just the way things are down there... Ask the P-Vine... She lived there...

Like BillD has so aptly put it: Where'd Alvin get the money??? Especially since he had to get a court appointed attorney on the porn charges saying he didn't have money to hire one...

B~

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 23 Jul 10 - 08:39 AM

Imagine the depth and reach of the perpetrators if your theory is correct. All of those cross-over voters would have had to have been informed and in agreement. Some people voted for the other Democrat, and most of the Republicans voted for DeMint.

             Personally, I think a lot of black voters, buoyed by the earlier performance of Obama, just wanted to vote for a black candidate. Why is Alvin Greene and worse a candidate than the other Democrat would have been?

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 23 Jul 10 - 10:16 AM

Doesn't take a far-flung or even organized conspiracy.
Simply post the $10k filing fee for a whack-job in a state with an essentially unopposed Republican candidate and crossover voting.
Even Republicans would not need to have this explained to them in any detail. Surely you are not implying that SC Republican voters are dense, are you?

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Riginslinger
Date: 23 Jul 10 - 10:23 AM

Okay, at far as I'm concerned the point isn't worth arguing. I don't see Alvin Greene as a whack-job. He doesn't speak well in public and I don't either. I think it takes a lot of guts for him to even do it.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Jul 10 - 10:08 PM

One thing ya' don't understand, Rigs, is the "Southern Republican Mentality" (SRM)... The4y don't need to get together and plan how to mess with black people, commies and Dems... They instictually do it... It's kinda like school of fish all turnin' at the same time... I mean, how did the fish know to do that... Rednecks is the same, Rigs... I mean, you don't believe me??? Get you a ticjet to Charlotte when they run the Budweiser 600 and sit in the middle of the stands and just wacth 'um!!! I mean, one race an' you'll either join 'um ot know of what I speak... BTW, I do kinda know about these folks seein' as I had me a race car until I was 39 and ran it at Southside Speedway in Richmond... So my observations about Redneck Nation come first hand... Believe me... The crossover vote in SC was huge... Just like that school o' fish... Had there been a real race in the Repub primary then different story but this was, like they say in football" a "free play"...

B~

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 24 Jul 10 - 07:25 AM

Okay, I don't see how it makes any difference one way or the other, though. It seems very unlikely that any Democrat would have gotten elected in the general election.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Bobert
Date: 24 Jul 10 - 07:33 AM

That is the point, Rigs... Knowing that Demint is a shoe in in November what Redneck Nation did was use the Dem primary to further their racist culture by voting for a black man who, frankly, fits their stereotype of black folks... Have Wille Horton been on the Dem ballot these folks would have voted for him...

B~

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 24 Jul 10 - 08:45 AM

Well, what I've seen of Alvin Greene doesn't seem all that bad to me. I'll admit he's a disaster as a politician, but I'm kind of burnt out on politicians anyway.