BS: Tip for protection

Subject: BS: Tip for protection
From: Louie Roy
Date: 11 Dec 10 - 03:16 PM

A very cheap and effective way to protect yourself from a mugger is to buy a can of wasp and hornet spray and use instead of pepper spray. a full can will spray very accurately at 20 feet and will temporary blind a person a 16 oz can about $3.50

Subject: RE: BS: Tip for protection
From: gnu
Date: 11 Dec 10 - 03:21 PM

And could land in jail for aggravated assault (with a deadly) weapon. Then again, better than being dead.

Subject: RE: BS: Tip for protection
From: GUEST,999
Date: 11 Dec 10 - 03:22 PM

Just hide the body afterwards.

Subject: RE: BS: Tip for protection
From: gnu
Date: 11 Dec 10 - 03:27 PM

Oh... BTW. A lad was just aquitted here in Canuckistan in a case wherein the prosecution tried to say he and his friends used excessive force in subduing a fleeing thief by tackling him and tying him up. The RCMP made a number of statements, including saying that using deadly force in one's own home may be subject to charge and punishment.

I like the Texas laws which say you can kill someone robbing your home (I have HEARD this and it sounds fine to me).

Subject: RE: BS: Tip for protection
From: GUEST,kendall
Date: 11 Dec 10 - 03:28 PM

A man from Maine was stopped for speeding and he told the officer that he was obligated to tell him that he was armed. Cop wanted to know what he was carrying and the man said, "A .357 Magnum, a .38 S5W special, and under the seat , a double barrel shotgun."
Cop says, "What are you afraid of"? guy says, "Not a damn thing."

Subject: RE: BS: Tip for protection
From: gnu
Date: 11 Dec 10 - 03:29 PM

That's Tragically Hip, 999. You musta picked that up out west. (Canuck music reference.)

Subject: RE: BS: Tip for protection
From: gnu
Date: 11 Dec 10 - 03:30 PM

Kendall... I LIKE IT!

Subject: RE: BS: Tip for protection
From: Jeri
Date: 11 Dec 10 - 03:31 PM

It's not "temporary" -- basically, it's nerve agent, can cause organ damage, cancer and can be a mutagen. If you want to hang onto your money bad enough to kill someone, have the balls to just kill them.

Subject: RE: BS: Tip for protection
From: gnu
Date: 11 Dec 10 - 03:39 PM

I REALLY like this.

Subject: RE: BS: Tip for protection
From: Gurney
Date: 11 Dec 10 - 04:32 PM

I have heard that, if you shoot someone in self defence, always put the second shot into the ceiling. That was the 'warning' shot.

If a spraycan has a flammable propellant, you can use it as a flamethrower -in a small way- in conjunction with a cigarette lighter. Needs practise, though, not to set the room on fire.

What was the old lady in Gnu's link doing with a pitchfork inside the house? Must have been changing the bed!

Subject: RE: BS: Tip for protection
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 11 Dec 10 - 04:41 PM

Protecting the tip is not adequate. You need to protect the entire length of the thing.

Subject: RE: BS: Tip for protection
From: Smokey.
Date: 11 Dec 10 - 05:18 PM

The problem with aerosols is that you have to make sure they're the right way round, but having said that, oven cleaner is a very effective blinding agent. Personally, I find a harp tuning key a comforting companion in undesirable situations.

Subject: RE: BS: Tip for protection
From: Ed T
Date: 11 Dec 10 - 05:22 PM

Wasp spray combined with martial arts

Subject: RE: BS: Tip for protection
From: Ed T
Date: 11 Dec 10 - 05:27 PM

wasp-spray-vs-robber-

Subject: RE: BS: Tip for protection
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Dec 10 - 06:17 PM

IF you need reasonable self protection, people forget about the simple antique hat pin


Bug poisons can be far more deadly than you realize!
.

An actual 'tip' from CIA field training:

When NO PEST STRIP segments, its residue or its chemical 'moisture' comes in contact with Black Flag or Raid brand insect killer spray, it will produce anaphalactic shock to anyone who touches, drinks or breathes both toxins together or seperately (within 24 hours without washing) or if ingested within 20 minutes. The two distinctly different chemical agents of these components will metablolize each other when mixed and leave no discernable trace within the exposed subject. If only the hands come in contact with both sprays the effect will be massively swollen hands which may result in total constriction of all blood vessels which could require amputation. Be very careful when handling these components. Incidental swelling as a result of exposure will last up to 48 hours. Dermal contact of both of these toxins together is not usually fatal, however if both are taken internally or just within the mouth and throat it is usually fatal due to apoxia. Cerebral hemmorage will be the typical forensic finding of death when injected. The by product metablolites of the toxins are not subject to any autopsy tests. Each of the seperate (non mixed) components in open air are indentifiable for months so washing the seperate toxic sites is reccomended. examples of seperate application is a car door handle and a steering wheel. in frozen ice cube and on the rim of a glass, On a fork and on a spoon. Seperate exposure to hands followed by hands to mouth, two seperate snack foods.

When mixed the peak effectiveness is within 20 minutes.
If each seperate compound is administered within 4 hours of each other the most toxic effects will have been achieved. Immediate washing or rinseing of one or both of exposed areas will lessen the toxic effect substantially. If taken internally death is insured unless massive doses of corticosteroids and other antiinflammatory medications are administerd prior to or immediately after exposure.

Surrepticious adminstration of these compounds is to be undertaken only with the authorization of a senior field officer grade 18.

Subject: RE: BS: Tip for protection
From: Joe_F
Date: 11 Dec 10 - 06:31 PM

"metablolize each other"?

Subject: RE: BS: Tip for protection
From: kendall
Date: 11 Dec 10 - 07:45 PM

The problem with bug sprays, Mace, Pepper spray or a Taser is, he may come back better armed and looking to get even.
If you use a .38 he won't be back.

That being said, if you plan to arm yourself with a firearm, GET TRAINING! And, make damn sure you understand the law as it relates to self defense. Otherwise, you could end up doing time instead of the mugger.

Subject: RE: BS: Tip for protection
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 11 Dec 10 - 08:36 PM

You don't need neurotoxin bug spray - that may be taken as evidence of intent to harm.

But you may have a legitimate need to carry hair spray or deodorant. A lady could easily carry 'feminine deodorant' - the type that comes in that very phallic small can doesn't take up much space.

All you are hoping to achieve is a distraction, to allow escape. Anything more may be taken as a demonstration of criminal intent to cause harm, depending on your local laws.

Subject: RE: BS: Tip for protection
From: kendall
Date: 11 Dec 10 - 08:41 PM

An eye for an eye. You can bet the mugger is out to do harm! He aint there to read Bible stories to you.

Subject: RE: BS: Tip for protection
From: katlaughing
Date: 11 Dec 10 - 08:48 PM

The idea is to spray them in the eyes so they will turn loose of you. There is an automatic reflex when something hits a person's eyes - hands fly up, then run like hell, or give them a swift kick in the balls, first, though I wouldn't risk staying long enough to do that, even. I was always told a can of spray paint, but I have a non-alcohol hand cleaner in a small spray bottle, non-phallic shaped:-), which I think would bother someone's eyes quite well.

Subject: RE: BS: Tip for protection
From: Joe Offer
Date: 11 Dec 10 - 09:29 PM

I can't help it. My mind's in the gutter. When I saw a thread titled "tip for protection," I immediately thought of Trojan-enz.

Forgive me, forgive me, forgive me.....

-Joe, guiltily-

Subject: RE: BS: Tip for protection
From: michaelr
Date: 11 Dec 10 - 09:30 PM

Don, Don, Donuel...

do you expect us to believe the CIA doesn't know how to spell "separate"?

Subject: RE: BS: Tip for protection
From: Rapparee
Date: 11 Dec 10 - 09:37 PM

I'm afraid I know too much to comment much here. I would suggest that if you are grabbed from the front and can work one arm loose that slamming the heel of your hand into the chin or nose, coupled with a grab at the eyes at the same time, is generally quite effective albeit a bit messy if you do hit the eyeballs. Using the heel of the hand (cock your hand back, palm to the front) puts the heel in a direct line with the bones of the forearm -- in effect, you're slamming them under the chin with a 2 x 4. Hitting the chin this way will in 90% of the cases knock the other person out.

If you cannot work an arm loose, either go limp and slide down or fall forward onto your attacker.

Subject: RE: BS: Tip for protection
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Dec 10 - 04:01 AM

ADMIN...while my original post can serve as a warning it is also dangerous in the hands of an unstable person the same way exact knowlege of explosives can be inappropriate in a public forum.
FOr that reason I would urge you to delete these explicit posts for public safety reasons.



Mlcharl

WHile I have a penchant for humor and satire I do not blame you for your incredulaty. My post is entirely factual. Its my spelling along with my knowledge, my words and my memory.
If you were to handle these two components you would in fact be at extreme peril.
I expereienced an accidental exposure to my hands at a very young age. The swelling was so extreme I could not bend a single finger. The doctor had never seen anything like it nor did he know of any treatment. Constant warm water baths were probably respondsible for maintaining a sufficient blood supply to save my hands from turning black and dieing.
Years later I came across this knowlege.

Subject: RE: BS: Tip for protection
From: Rapparee
Date: 12 Dec 10 - 02:58 PM

So it will be found elsewhere. I figured out, all by myself, the critical mass for a gun-type fission bomb back in 10th grade -- years later, talking to a nuclear physicist, I found out I was right and that the system I had plotted would have worked, although it would have provided only perhaps a 0.8 KT explosion (that's about 800 TONS of TNT equivalent) and lots of very, very dirty fallout.

You want to learn about explosives? Visit your local public library or any of a number of on-line sites. Ditto for biologicals and chemicals.

Most people, fortunately, are too lazy and too stupid to know how to look it up.

Subject: RE: BS: Tip for protection
From: michaelr
Date: 12 Dec 10 - 03:43 PM

And a good thing, too.

Subject: RE: BS: Tip for protection
From: Rapparee
Date: 12 Dec 10 - 05:19 PM

Damn straight it is.

I was once asked by a civil engineer to purchase books on the use of explosives in civil engineering for the public library I was working at. Knowing from my own misspent youth the appeal such titles would have to Young Men Of A Certain Age, I puzzled for a few minutes and did exactly what was asked.

I saw the Young Men Of A Certain Age perusing the books later and I must say that they seemed puzzled by such equations as those used to calculate the optimal type, amount and placement of charges necessary to create a heaving action on a hillside (for roadbuilding) or cut steel I-beams into exact lengths. It was, of course, already assumed that you knew how to do mathematics....

Subject: RE: BS: Tip for protection
From: gnu
Date: 12 Dec 10 - 05:37 PM

A civil engineer should already know such or know how to access such info without being subsidized by the public library. I know that four sticks are better than three. Geeze.

And, BTW... all those cracked toilets were not my fault. The powderman said, "No sense in doin twice, eh b'y?" I said, "Give er some buddy." Worked just fine. Only took a month to get new toilets sent in by ferry. No problem.

Subject: RE: BS: Tip for protection
From: Bobert
Date: 12 Dec 10 - 06:21 PM

Reality 101:

The best way to protect yourself is just go along with the mugger... Money can be replaced... Rambo-wantabee's lives can't...

Learned that from a former karate sensei who also did workshops for the FBI...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Tip for protection
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 13 Dec 10 - 06:47 AM

I agree with Bobert, in reality I would rather hang on to my life than my handbag because no matter how much self-defence has been learnt I would still be too afraid to use it especially with a knife pointed in my back or my throat. Wether or not I would try to appeal to the mugger's better nature I don't know especially of course if it was a desperate addict, thank heavens it hasn't happened and hope I go through the rest of my life never having to experience it.

Subject: RE: BS: Tip for protection
From: Midchuck
Date: 13 Dec 10 - 07:24 AM

Bobert is right.

Except:

How do you tell whether you're dealing with a "rational mugger" who just wants money, in which case you should let him have what you've got and he'll run away; or a total nutcase who wants to kill or severely hurt someone, for no rational reason? If it's the latter, you might as well resist because you have nothing to lose. But how do you know which?

P.

Subject: RE: BS: Tip for protection
From: kendall
Date: 13 Dec 10 - 07:43 AM

If he is wearing a mask you won't be able to identify him, so give him whatever he wants. If he is not wearing a mask he doesn't care if you can finger him and he could be a nut case.
I would not take a person's life for a few dollars, but I would if it was him or me.

Subject: RE: BS: Tip for protection
From: Bobert
Date: 13 Dec 10 - 08:32 AM

If you feel strongly that if you don't defend yourself then you are going to harmed or killed then it's a different scenario... 99% of muggers are just trying to get some cash and aren't all that eager to hurt or kill anyone... The sensei I was referrin' to was of the opinion that's is the only time it is right to use whatever martial arts training/knowledge that one has... And this from one badass man...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Tip for protection
From: kendall
Date: 13 Dec 10 - 12:34 PM

I'll put my .38 up against any karate chop

Subject: RE: BS: Tip for protection
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 13 Dec 10 - 12:52 PM

Are you really concerned about being attacked by someone?

Try this:

http://www.takedefense.org/

Subject: RE: BS: Tip for protection
From: Rapparee
Date: 13 Dec 10 - 08:47 PM

Never, ever, fight against someone with a weapon (or what appears to be a weapon) unless you are reasonably certain that you are going to be injured or killed anyway. Yelling loudly is good -- yell "Fire!" and not "Help!" and you'll get a more immediate response from other people.

Subject: RE: BS: Tip for protection
From: Ernest
Date: 14 Dec 10 - 01:44 AM

Yelling "Fire!" when facing someone with a gun doesn`t seem such a brilliant idea....

;0)
Ernest

Subject: RE: BS: Tip for protection
From: Little Hawk
Date: 14 Dec 10 - 02:11 AM

Yell, "Money!!! Look at all the money!!! It's lying all over the ground here!"

Hundreds of people will congregate out of nowhere and you can slip away in the general confusion.

Subject: RE: BS: Tip for protection
From: kendall
Date: 14 Dec 10 - 08:06 PM

No, I am not afraid of being attacked.

Subject: RE: BS: Tip for protection
From: Ed T
Date: 14 Dec 10 - 10:07 PM

My nephew from Ontario, Canada was on a hiking trail in upstate NY. He had no wallet or money on his person, except for $20 Canadian and 20 US Dollars.

He was mugged. He eagerly offered all $40 to the mugger. The mugger looked at the Canadian $20 and said "I don't know what I would do with this, here you can have it back", and walked away with the $20. US.

Subject: RE: BS: Tip for protection
From: open mike
Date: 15 Dec 10 - 12:31 AM

there are 2 types of wasp spray that are non toxic.."Victor" brand and

"Safer" brand....one is menthol the other is citrus oil

presumably not designed to have dangerous effects on humans...

but yellow jackets drop like....well, flies,,,when it hits 'em.

Subject: RE: BS: Tip for protection
From: Bobert
Date: 15 Dec 10 - 08:49 AM

Actually, yelling "Fire" is the correct response...

Subject: RE: BS: Tip for protection
From: kendall
Date: 15 Dec 10 - 09:19 AM

On a hiking trail?

Subject: RE: BS: Tip for protection
From: Midchuck
Date: 15 Dec 10 - 09:23 AM

On a hiking trail, yell "Bear!" and point into the woods behind the guy - or the woman, as the case may be, unless it's a woman to whom you'd willingly submit.

P.

Subject: RE: BS: Tip for protection
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 15 Dec 10 - 10:49 AM

Dress down, wear no bling expensive or otherwise especially in the areas known to be notorious. Hopefully that might help a little.