BS: Cure for AIDS?

Subject: BS: Cure for AIDS?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 15 Dec 10 - 12:37 PM

NOTE: This is reported on Fox, so no liberals will be allowed to take advantage of it, since they don't believe anything on Fox.




Doctors Claim HIV-Positive Man Cured by Stem Cell Transplant

Published December 14, 2010
| FoxNews.com


There's an estimated 33 million people worldwide living with HIV/AIDS, and now doctors believe one of them may have been cured of the virus after receiving a stem cell transplant in 2007, the medical journal Blood reported.

Timothy Ray Brown, an HIV-positive American living in Germany, had leukemia and was undergoing chemotherapy, when he received a transplant of stem cells from a donor carrying a rare, inherited gene mutation that seems to make carriers virtually immune to HIV infection.

The transplant appeared to wipe out both diseases, giving hope to doctors, but Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institutes of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, who has been studying HIV/AIDS for almost 30 years, said while this is an interesting proof of concept, it's absurdly impractical.

"It's hard enough to get a good compatible match for a transplant like this," Fauci told FoxNews.com, "But you also have to find compatible donor that has this genetic defect, and this defect is only found in 1 percent of the Caucasian population and zero percent of the black population. This is very rare."

Fauci said while this patient is "functionally cured" this is not something you can do with every HIV-infected individual.

"This is not prime time to me at all," he said. "This is a very unusual situation that has little practical application for a simple reason. This donor not only had to be a good compatible match, but the donor had to have a genetic defect of cells that do not express the receptor that the HIV virus needs to enter the cell."

Fauci also pointed to the fact that this transplant process is not only expensive, it's incredibly painful and complicated, and requires the patient to start a whole new regimen of drugs.

"This patient is trading one poison for another. He may not have to be on antiretroviral drugs anymore, but he has to take immunosuppressant drugs now to prevent the rejection of his transplant cells. Again, what this is, is an interesting proof of concept, but it's absolutely impractical."

Dr. Thomas Quinn, director of Johns Hopkins Center for Global Health told FoxNews.com that he is very familiar with the "Berlin patient" case.

"This was a new report that looked much deeper into whether HIV could still be present or lurking in the body in some way, not cured, and since the transplant he remains viral free and his cells appear to be resistant to infection," he said.

Quinn said he agrees with the researchers on this case that it would be qualified as the first HIV cure, opening the door to alternative means of curing HIV.

"He [Brown] has been without therapy for three years and appears to be free of the virus," he said. "It gives hope to the millions of people infected with HIV that cure is a feasible option in the future."

Even though Brown's procedure proved to be successful, Quinn also warns that this was a rare case and a bone marrow transplant is not a cure-all for other HIV patients.

"It is a near fatal procedure that he had to have done because of the leukemia, but this procedure is very expensive and you have to be transplanted with a donor who is shown to be already resistant to HIV," Quinn said. "You're asking for a tall order to replicate this in the future."

Brown's case was published in a February 2009 issue of the New England Journal of Medicine.

Click here to read more from the journal Blood (subscription is required).

Subject: RE: BS: Cure for AIDS?
From: Bill D
Date: 15 Dec 10 - 01:04 PM

It's ok...we liberals won't be able to afford it anyway...

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Subject: RE: BS: Cure for AIDS?
From: Jack Campin
Date: 15 Dec 10 - 01:07 PM

This is reported on Fox, so no liberals will be allowed to take advantage of it, since they don't believe anything on Fox.

Googling for "stem cell aids cure" will show you all the other media that reported it first before Fox decided to plagiarize them.

Subject: RE: BS: Cure for AIDS?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 15 Dec 10 - 01:10 PM

Yes, but the standard comment here is that if Fox reports it, it MUST be a lie. So, the rest of the media is going along with the lie, according to the Mudcat "common wisdom".

I have been told many times that there is no reason to even check something out, if Fox has stated it.

And if this is plagiarization, I hope you accuse ALL the media of it, since Fox gives credit to the source.

Subject: RE: BS: Cure for AIDS?
From: Bill D
Date: 15 Dec 10 - 01:26 PM

".. but this procedure is very expensive and you have to be transplanted with a donor who is shown to be already resistant to HIV,..."

That is why we liberals aren't covered...and we don't say Fox automatically lies about 'everything', just that they lie when convenient and spin the few truths that they can't avoid.

Face it...Fox has an **agenda**...they are a direct mouthpiece for conservatives. They shamelessly raise money for Republicans and promote specific 'causes' that are conservative oriented.

This is different than just being 'oriented' toward liberal issues and committed toward debunking outrageous conservative twisting of issues, as some other networks are. It is a difference in both kind and degree and motivation.

Subject: RE: BS: Cure for AIDS?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 15 Dec 10 - 01:26 PM

Read a book written by a California MD called "Roger's Recovery from AIDS" if you can still find it anywhere, BB. I read it about 10 years ago. There's been a known (by very few) cure for AIDS for quite some time, but it's not a drug or a complex medical procedure that requires special equipment, and it makes no money at all for the pharmaceutical companies or the medical tech industries. Accordingly, it's just not getting any publicity. As a matter of fact, they're probably busy quietly burning those books or shredding them whenever they can track them down...

There are billions of dollars at stake, you know.

Subject: RE: BS: Cure for AIDS?
From: Bill D
Date: 15 Dec 10 - 01:34 PM

"They" are the same ones who hid that 100MPG carburetor all these years?

You know...the former gov. of Minnesota now has an American TV program devoted to 'exploring' all those conspiracy theories...which usually means promoting most of them as if they are proven.

Subject: RE: BS: Cure for AIDS?
From: Dorothy Parshall
Date: 15 Dec 10 - 01:39 PM

Whole bunch of hits when I googled Roger's.... I'll check it out further, later!

Subject: RE: BS: Cure for AIDS?
From: Dorothy Parshall
Date: 15 Dec 10 - 01:40 PM

Though I have read recently that AIDS is no longer a death sentence. Meds are available, even in Africa, that can at least control it.

Subject: RE: BS: Cure for AIDS?
From: SINSULL
Date: 15 Dec 10 - 01:40 PM

Little Hawk,
Are you saying that you read the book ten years ago, it provides a cure for AIDS and no one else has come forward to claim that they used the cure and were cured or did and news sources ignored them?
Doesn't seem likely, does it?

Subject: RE: BS: Cure for AIDS?
From: Ebbie
Date: 15 Dec 10 - 01:42 PM

Hmmmm?

To the editors:

In light of the current media hysteria about AIDS, it certainly was refreshing to read Dr. Peter Duesberg's comments in the Reader [October 4]. He confirmed what many of us in the natural health movement have been saying for years--namely, that disease is the result of unhealthy living practices, that AIDS is not sexually transmitted, that the so-called HIV virus is irrelevant to the disease, and that the extremely toxic immunosuppressive drug, AZT, hastens the demise of the patient. It is much more likely that AIDS symptoms are, as Dr. Duesberg suggests, the result of long-term ingestion and injection of toxic substances and foreign proteins, both legal and illegal, that destroy the immune system.

For those wishing to read more on this subject, I highly recommend The Great AIDS Hoax, by Mr. T.C. Fry of the Life Science Institute. I also highly recommend Roger's Recovery From AIDS: the wonderful story of a near-death AIDS patient who recovered by abandoning conventional medical treatment (including AZT). He regained health with a natural program of total rest, withdrawal from all drugs and medication, prolonged fasting, and sunshine. This prolonged rest allowed his body to detoxify from long-term drug abuse (legal and illegal), and eventually to heal itself. Both of these books are available by calling my office.

Perhaps now we are finally getting some sanity in the AIDS debate.

Gary L. Livacari, DDS

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Frankly, LH, your grasp on some matters requires some - what shall I call it? - some VERY slender straws.

Subject: RE: BS: Cure for AIDS?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 15 Dec 10 - 01:42 PM

BillD,


"we don't say Fox automatically lies about 'everything',"


YOU have not been looking at the posts on Mudcat, obviously. That is EXACTLY what many here have been saying- and I note THIS is the FIRST time that you have stated otherwise, and you have NEVER contradicted those who did state this.

Everyone is entiltled to their own opinions, but to deny that something was said when it was is NOT opinion.

Subject: RE: BS: Cure for AIDS?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 15 Dec 10 - 01:43 PM

The book is available for a low price on Amazon, fyi.

Subject: RE: BS: Cure for AIDS?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 15 Dec 10 - 01:54 PM

RRFA was written by Bob Owen--if anyone`s interested.

Subject: RE: BS: Cure for AIDS?
From: Bill D
Date: 15 Dec 10 - 02:15 PM

"...you have NEVER contradicted those who did state this."

How do you KNOW I haven't?? How much time am I expected to spend monitoring every post YOU might take as excessive? I DO often note overly zealous posts...on all sides... but catch them all? nawwww....

...and I might ask YOU how often you correct or monitor Doug R's posts...or pdq's..or several others who often hype conservative issues.

The interesting thing to me is....that you began this thread with a petty remark assuming that many here would doubt it, instead of just noting it as a possible medical advance. There are some pretty smart people here who can search relevant sites and decide whether it is good news..or just a hyped false alarm. Why load the deck with attribution to Fox news? Sounds like 'victim mentality' to me. "You guys ALWAYS treat 'our' side poorly and make fun of us! And you NEVER attack your own."

That theme is getting really old..........but this is only about the 27th time I have mentioned it.

Subject: RE: BS: Cure for AIDS?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 15 Dec 10 - 02:28 PM

BillD,

I have read rthe threads- YOU have been on them, and NOT commented when those claims were made.

"you began this thread with a petty remark assuming that many here would doubt it,"

I base my comments on what thoise here have posted in the past- YOU are the one that does not look at what has been posted before you comment.

"There are some pretty smart people here who can search relevant sites and decide whether it is good news..or just a hyped false alarm. Why load the deck with attribution to Fox news?

I have posted before without attribution, and been criticised because it WAS Fox- and therefore of no value according to the "common wisdom" . If they are not willing to "search relevant sites and decide whether it is "true WITHOUT attribution, why should any sane persomn think they would when it WAS attributed??

If there is a "victim mentality" here, it is like the one of Jews in Germany in 1936- there is good cause for it.

Subject: RE: BS: Cure for AIDS?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 15 Dec 10 - 02:31 PM

Some of you folks are gonna get really fucked-up blood pressure if yer not careful. May I recommend a good book that isn`t being burned by the petro-chemical-pharmacy industries . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Cure for AIDS?
From: Bill D
Date: 15 Dec 10 - 03:32 PM

"I have posted before without attribution, and been criticised because...."etc...

Just GIVE the attribution without loaded comment...

" Germany in 1936- "

I am out of here... you are in the self-fullfilling hypothesis mode.

Subject: RE: BS: Cure for AIDS?
From: bobad
Date: 15 Dec 10 - 04:09 PM

For those who believe that AIDS isn't caused by the HIV I would suggest a comprehensive review of the scientific literature. The causal relationship between HIV and AIDS has not been in dispute within the scientific community for at least twenty years.

Subject: RE: BS: Cure for AIDS?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 15 Dec 10 - 04:10 PM

Bye.

Subject: RE: BS: Cure for AIDS?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 15 Dec 10 - 05:34 PM

To my erstwhile objectors... ;-) Just read the book. See what you think. It made very good sense to me in absolutely everything it said. Perfect sense, in fact. It dovetailed with stuff I've been studying for years in the natural health field.

Then read another books by Dirk Benedict, the actor, (he was in "The A-Team and Battlestar Galactica) called "Confessions of a Kamikaze Cowboy". It's not about AIDS, it's about cancer...a natural cure...no chemotherapy, surgery or radiation required.

Get back to me after you've read both books and given the matter some actual thought rather than your standard reflex reaction. I have no intention of wasting my hours here arguing over divergent opinions about medicine, it would be the height of folly for me to imagine that that would change anything or anyone, and it would only cause me and various of you unnecessary levels of irritation, I'm sure. ;-) Like anyone else, including me, you are quite convinced that you already KNOW the score. :-D Everbody out there appears to think they already know the score. Me too. Welcome to the human race.

Subject: RE: BS: Cure for AIDS?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 15 Dec 10 - 05:45 PM

Brewer`s Yeast is good for that, LH.

Subject: RE: BS: Cure for AIDS?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 15 Dec 10 - 05:58 PM

For what? Curing cancer? Or knowing the score?    ;-)

I'll try anything harmless once and see what it does. I won't try things I already know are harmful...such as drugs, chemotherapy, unnecessary surgery, and radiation.

Subject: RE: BS: Cure for AIDS?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 15 Dec 10 - 06:02 PM

Was screwin` around, LH. It`s good for nerves and hyper stuff. Until ya get used to it, it tastes like shit. Have it with orange juice.

Subject: RE: BS: Cure for AIDS?
From: MarkS
Date: 15 Dec 10 - 06:02 PM

Lets hope a cure is on the horizon and lets further hope the state of the art gets so good that the price comes down.
Doesn't matter where it was reported.

Subject: RE: BS: Cure for AIDS?
From: Greg F.
Date: 15 Dec 10 - 06:18 PM

BB: Get a life, will ya? And you obviously missed your last appointment with your mental health professional.

Subject: RE: BS: Cure for AIDS?
From: bobad
Date: 15 Dec 10 - 06:34 PM

A mega dose of laxative with the brewer's yeast will work wonders.

Subject: RE: BS: Cure for AIDS?
From: SINSULL
Date: 15 Dec 10 - 06:39 PM

I read an interview with Bob Owen in which he stated that AIDS is caused by drug use and malnutrition. Children born with AIDS all have mothers who are drug users, he said. And added that there are no babies in Beverley Hills born with AIDS. To my knowledge drug use is rampant in BH. Where did he get his statistics re" "no babies born in BH with AIDS"? So am I to believe that all the women in Africa whose husbands have AIDS actually contracted it from drug use not sex? And their children born with AIDS or HIV got it from drug use? Really? Add to that his statement that HIV is in no way related to AIDS and I think I know enough not to want to waste time on his book.
Scary that for sure some idiot will accept this as gospel truth and start or continue to have unprotected sex with strangers - after all as long as he or she stays drug free they will be fine.

SINS

Subject: RE: BS: Cure for AIDS?
From: SINSULL
Date: 15 Dec 10 - 06:41 PM

The Link:
http://www.whatisaids.com/ninainterviewduesberg

Subject: RE: BS: Cure for AIDS?
From: SINSULL
Date: 15 Dec 10 - 06:44 PM

There is AIDS in BH:
http://www.google.com/search?q=HIV+Beverly+Hills&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-US&ie=utf8&oe=utf8

Subject: RE: BS: Cure for AIDS?
From: bobad
Date: 15 Dec 10 - 07:01 PM

"Scary that for sure some idiot will accept this as gospel truth and start or continue to have unprotected sex with strangers"

Or post it on a forum as if it were any kind of authority on the subject - the science illiteracy is appalling.

Subject: BS: Man cured of HIV
From: Lox
Date: 06 Jan 11 - 02:20 PM

As a friend of mine pointed out, it isn't the most practical of cures, but it proves that HIV can be cured and this is good reason to be optimistic.

Man cured of HIV

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Subject: RE: BS: Cure for AIDS?
From: Jeri
Date: 06 Jan 11 - 02:31 PM

Refresh

Subject: RE: BS: Cure for AIDS?
From: Lox
Date: 06 Jan 11 - 02:43 PM

Sorry - should have checked for this as it was likely that you guys had already discussed it.