BS: Goodbye Vince Cable

Subject: BS: Goodbye Vince Cable
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 21 Dec 10 - 12:22 PM

So the man who did more for the image of the Liberal Party, and probably helped get them so many votes in the last General Election, has proved to be yet another swollen headed, loud mouthed politician.
While I disapprove heartily of this recently popular pastime among newspapers of entrapment by surreptitious recordings. If you don't do or say something silly. then you can't be entrapped.
He would appear to be left, without a leg to stand on.

Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye Vince Cable
From: Leadfingers
Date: 21 Dec 10 - 01:54 PM

He's got away with it THIS time John !

Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye Vince Cable
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 21 Dec 10 - 02:19 PM

Early days Terry.

Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye Vince Cable
From: MikeL2
Date: 21 Dec 10 - 02:19 PM

hi

I am not sure that he has got away with........yet.

If was a conservative he would have gone by now....but Cameron can't sack him and at the moment Clegg won't.

But I await further actions from the back benches.

Cheers

MikeL2

Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye Vince Cable
From: akenaton
Date: 21 Dec 10 - 04:24 PM

What's another one more or less?

Their all either knaves or fools.

Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye Vince Cable
From: akenaton
Date: 21 Dec 10 - 04:25 PM

They're....there!!

Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye Vince Cable
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 21 Dec 10 - 10:26 PM

The real damage is that Murdoch has muzzled an opponent.

Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye Vince Cable
From: GUEST,Chris B (Born Again Scouser)
Date: 22 Dec 10 - 04:33 AM

Look on the bright side. Apparently he's still doing Strictly Come Dancing at Christmas. Expect him to be particularly adept at any moves which involve a 180-degree turn.

Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye Vince Cable
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 22 Dec 10 - 04:52 AM

Perhaps even a 'Faux pas de deux' ?

Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye Vince Cable
From: melodeonboy
Date: 22 Dec 10 - 05:26 AM

But is the issue that Vince was injudicious in his use of language (and most agree that he was), or that he dared to openly confront Baron von Murdoch, whose cage many politicians are afraid to rattle?

I believe him to be more talented and somewhat less dodgy than most of those that surround him. On that basis alone I'd rather see him stay than go.

Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye Vince Cable
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 22 Dec 10 - 05:36 AM

I suppose that all the sanctimonious Labourites are delighted at VC's downfall. I can only conclude that they're relishing the prospect of a majority Tory government and a Murdoch controlled press (?)

Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye Vince Cable
From: GUEST,Steamin' Willie
Date: 22 Dec 10 - 05:36 AM

Once the tittle tattle has eased off, and Cable completes his transition from conscience of the people to just another political animal...

It poses an interesting question; Ministers sometimes have to take on a quasi judicial role for which they are expected not to let their political views or standing affect their judgement. This is not easy, and the mark of a good judge is one who can hear inadmissible evidence and not let that evidence influence their judgement.

Sadly, we expect that of politicians. They are not Superman, Superwoman whatever. They are people, driven by a noble cause perhaps but habitually shallow, either from the outset or eventually.

Cable had been entrusted with a decision over a business deal. Whatever the rights or wrongs of speaking under Chatham House rules, off the record, with constituents who deserve a less guarded answer... his role in the BSkyB affair is not that of a politician, so he had no right talking about it. To anybody outside of his role in this decision.

For that alone, he should not hold Ministerial seals of office. The government regulator I am involved with has, as part of the legislation it upholds, a clause where individual inspectors can be prosecuted for revealing information about ongoing enquiries, (especially with regard to handling documents.) I see parallels here.

And here was me thinking "we are all in this together."

That said, other than a general election tomorrow to sort the whole thing out, (which I am not a fan of whilst the economy is still so fragile,) we are lumbered with what we have, and if Cable et al are restraining the more idealogical policies their Tory best mates are pushing, then that could in theory lead to more robust challenge, which can lead to better government.

Mind you, the jury is still out on that one.

Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye Vince Cable
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 22 Dec 10 - 05:36 AM

I happen to find recording of people without their knowledge, as despicable and the lowest of the low.

Totally unaceptable once again.

The Daily Telegraph secretly recorded Michael Moore, Ed Davey and Steve Webb saying they were unhappy over some government policies.

The paper had previously taped Business Secretary Vince Cable saying he had "declared war" on Rupert Murdoch.

When is this country going to stop this sort of thing.

Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye Vince Cable
From: GUEST,Chris B (Born Again Scouser)
Date: 22 Dec 10 - 05:39 AM

Vince Cable is an unprincipled, self-publicising hyprocrite who quit the Labour Party because he thought someone else was making him a better offer. Like all the Social Democrat traitors of the 1980s he deserves everything that comes his way.

Looks like a real 3-horse race in Twickenham next time.

Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye Vince Cable
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 22 Dec 10 - 07:01 AM

I am not really concerned about him Chris, more about the despicable way the newspapers get their gutter reporting.

Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye Vince Cable
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 22 Dec 10 - 07:04 AM

"I suppose that all the sanctimonious Labourites are delighted at VC's downfall. I can only conclude that they're relishing the prospect of a majority Tory government and a Murdoch controlled press (?) "

Not such a catastrophic downfall as that of the hideous brown!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye Vince Cable
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 22 Dec 10 - 07:17 AM

I think there is something to be said for the ancient principle "there is no confidence in iniquity".

Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye Vince Cable
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 22 Dec 10 - 09:03 AM

Yes, the real story is Murdoch's sinister power!
Every British prime minister has paid a visit to Murdoch in America. Why?
Someone wants to sort the bastard out. For a start, as a non-resident - he, or any of his family - shouldn't be allowed to own even 1% od any British newspaper of Tv/radio station.
And, finally, Milliband is an idiot - and major vote loser - for critising Cable. What's his angle? In Murdoch's pocket, eh?

Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye Vince Cable
From: GUEST,Chris B (Born Again Scouser)
Date: 22 Dec 10 - 09:21 AM

I was just reminded of this:

LOVE ME, I'M A LIBERAL
{Phil Ochs)

I cried when they shot Medgar Evers
Tears ran down my spine
I cried when they shot Mr. Kennedy
As though I'd lost a father of mine
But Malcolm X got what was coming
He got what he asked for this time
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal

I go to civil rights rallies
And I put down the old D.A.R.
I love Harry and Sidney and Sammy
I hope every colored boy becomes a star
But don't talk about revolution
That's going a little too far
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal

I cheered when Humphrey was chosen
My faith in the system restored
I'm glad the commies were thrown out
Of the A.F.L. C.I.O. board
I love Puerto Ricans and Negros
As long as they don't move next door
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal

The people of old Mississippi
Should all hang their heads in shame
I can't understand how their minds work
What's the matter don't they watch Les Crane?
But if you ask me to bus my children
I hope the cops take down your name
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal

I read New Republic and Nation
I take every conceivable view
You know, I've memorized Lerner and Golden
I feel like I'm almost a Jew
But when it comes to times like Korea
There's no one more red, white and blue
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal

I vote for the democratic party
They want the U.N. to be strong
I go to all the Pete Seeger concerts
He sure gets me singing those songs
I'll send all the money you ask for
But don't ask me to come on along
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal

Once I was young and impulsive
I wore every conceivable pin
Even went to the socialist meetings
Learned all the old union hymns
But I've grown older and wiser
And that's why I'm turning you in
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal.

Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye Vince Cable
From: GUEST,padgett
Date: 22 Dec 10 - 11:30 AM

I have to admit that I do in some ways admire the man for being his own man

The coalition of Lib/Cons will probably lead to irreparable harm to the Lib Dems who have had to water down and accept things clearly not in their own manifesto! for their 15mins of glory in Govt

Murdoch and big business will fleece the man in the street and attract YES men only in it for their own ends

WE must ensure that democracy in the UK is protected and big business does not have a strangle hold on our economy, beware I would warn!

Get behind the men like Vince Cable who know where its at, and they will be there when WE need 'em

His heart is clearly in the right place, beware of History repeating itself!

Ray

Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye Vince Cable
From: DMcG
Date: 22 Dec 10 - 11:39 AM

His heart may be in the right place, but on this occasion his head certainly wasn't. The phrase 'declaring war on Murdoch' when he had responsibility for the bid was a guaranteed losing move, even if it had not been to journalists he was talking to.


As the Edda has it:
"It is safe to tell a secret to one,
Risky to tell it to two.
To tell it to three is foolhardy:
Everyone will know."

Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye Vince Cable
From: The Sandman
Date: 22 Dec 10 - 12:30 PM

excuse me ,but what has he done?

Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye Vince Cable
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 22 Dec 10 - 01:44 PM

Does anyone think that it's possible that Murdoch might actually have been behind this 'sting'?

Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye Vince Cable
From: greg stephens
Date: 22 Dec 10 - 01:59 PM

Good for Vince Cable. So, he is against Murdoch, and finds it's bloody difficult being in a coalition with Tories he loathes. This is a surprise or problem in some way? To whom?

Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye Vince Cable
From: MikeL2
Date: 22 Dec 10 - 02:44 PM

hi

Whether you believe Cable to have the right ideas or not is not the point.

The point is that as a high ranking Minister he should be able to contain himself when asked questions by people he doesn't know.
Surtely all politicians do not open up their secrets willy nilly to anyone that enters their surgeries.

Could it be that it was two women "constituents" that opened up Cable's secrets???? Perhaps he is a fan of Sivio Burlusconi !!

Macho Vince hey ???? I think not !!!

Off with his head !!!

Cheers

MikeL2

Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye Vince Cable
From: akenaton
Date: 22 Dec 10 - 03:22 PM

Sorry ...but the guy is a prick, playing up to a couple of young women.

What is it about male politicians.....or males in general, do we really carry all our brains in our pants?

Two giggling females making up to him .....making him feel so important....so powerful, that he spills his career into their mics.

I despair, in Scotland the "voice of Socialism" is on trial for perjury, over his alledged visits to a club for swinging fuckers.

Is this really the best we can do?

I hope Mrs Cable chews the idiot's balls off!

Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye Vince Cable
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 23 Dec 10 - 12:30 PM

I also respect his stand against Murdoch - I've heard arguments that Murdoch has raised quality in broadcasting - debatable - BUT surely only for those who are prepared to fork out and line his pockets.

It disturbs me that the Prime Minister is npw sucking up to one of the worst faces of capitalism.

Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye Vince Cable
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 23 Dec 10 - 12:40 PM

One day an honest politician who doesn't need the support of the gutter press, will come along, and be elected on his own terms.

One day the electorate will be able to make up their own minds, and not need be guided by that same gutter press, their parents, their upbringing, or their perceived social class.

One day a team Gloucester Old Spots, will put on an aerial display at Farnborough Air Show!

Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye Vince Cable
From: akenaton
Date: 23 Dec 10 - 12:55 PM

Very good John..:0)

Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye Vince Cable
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 23 Dec 10 - 01:24 PM

This story gets curiouser and curiouser. According to an article by Ian Burrel in today's Independent:

"The commercial operation of the Telegraph, which is owned by the reclusive Barclay twins, is known for its pugnacity. But a leak from that quarter would hardly make sense, given that the Telegraph Media Group chief executive Murdoch [yes, really!] MacLennan is leading the campaign to block News Corps complete takeover of BSkyB - and Cable was its greatest asset."

Reading further the article suggests that the Telegraph just wanted to highlight Cable's expression of willingness to undermine the Coalition if he didn't get his own way - but someone in its editorial department may have leaked the bit about his antipathy towards Murdoch to the BBC. It was this latter revelation that did so much damage to Cable's career - and, of course, the Telegraph may actually have shot itself in at least one of its feet (it may also be subject to an ethics investigation by the Press Complaints Commission)!

I would also suggest that the BBC had nothing to gain by running the story either. In the end, the only person to benefit will be Rupert Murdoch ...

Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye Vince Cable
From: akenaton
Date: 23 Dec 10 - 01:49 PM

Well....at least we know that neither Mr Cable nor Mr Obama, are the Messiah.

Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye Vince Cable
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 23 Dec 10 - 02:05 PM

And the press are a load of shites!

Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye Vince Cable
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 23 Dec 10 - 05:07 PM

What we do know, though, is that both Obama and Cable are vulnerable to the lies and dirty tricks of the Right.

Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye Vince Cable
From: akenaton
Date: 23 Dec 10 - 05:32 PM

Oh come on Shim!.....you dont really think Obama and Cable are "of the left"
They are not even sympathetic to the left.
Cable has sold out for a little power. Did you hear him address the young female reporters......it was sad.
This is the calibre of our politicians.

Obama has ordered even more drone strikes into Pakistan, strikes which have already killed and maimed hundreds of men women and children......war criminal!

Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye Vince Cable
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 23 Dec 10 - 06:31 PM

Did I say that either Cable or Obama was of the Left? But it seems to me that they could both be classified as 'vaguely progressive'. Nevertheless, the Left seems to devote huge amounts of energy attacking politicians like Cable and Obama - and this, I believe, will inevitably lead to full-on Right wing politicians gaining power in both the US and the UK.

I suppose that the Left will be happy then because they'll really have something to whinge and feel smug about.

Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye Vince Cable
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 23 Dec 10 - 06:38 PM

The curious thing about all the leaked Lib-Dem expressions is that they were all views that could very well be held by honourable men unless such men were hampered by having to be true to the Con-Dem pact - which would make the pact itself the dishonourable thing.

Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye Vince Cable
From: Lox
Date: 23 Dec 10 - 07:23 PM

I await the Telegraphs exposes of what tory ministers say when they think no-one is listening ...

... eh? ...

... whats that you say? ...

... The telegraph isn't impartial?

Stitch up!



As for Cable, the naive fool really wasn't ready for government - a job that in this day and age requires employees who don't spill their cards all over the floor at the first opportunity.


If Murdoch gets the go-ahead now, cable can be thanked.


Oh the irony of a name ..... cable? ... murdoch? ... cable tv? ...

I'll get my coat.

Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye Vince Cable
From: Lox
Date: 23 Dec 10 - 07:29 PM

Arthur itus,

Do you really believe that the tories weren't somehow behind these "leaks"?

Cameron is watching one of his political opponents at the next election have the shit kicked out of them and he is thoroughly satisfied.

He can say "it was their fault - this time give us a majority"

Who knows - with the adenoidal ed milipede as his only opponent he is in with a good chance.

The country would have been much more likely to vote for his big Brother.

Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye Vince Cable
From: Lox
Date: 23 Dec 10 - 07:30 PM

hehe - and then it really would have been a case of big brother being in charge!

Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye Vince Cable
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 24 Dec 10 - 04:05 AM

From Lox
Do you really believe that the tories weren't somehow behind these "leaks"?
End of quote

Why should I. You must have a warped mind.

My concern, is not about what the politicians say or do, but what those gutter press people do, to try and bring somebody down. They just do not give a F*** who they ruin.
It's a disgrace and the law should protect such people aginst such scumbags of the press.

If you want my honest opinion Lox, it's all the people on Mudcat that vote Labour and who show their disdain for any other Government in power. :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye Vince Cable
From: GUEST,Chris B (Born Again Scouser)
Date: 24 Dec 10 - 08:32 AM

'all the people on Mudcat that vote Labour and who show their disdain for any other Government in power'.

That'll be me then. It's called dissent.

Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye Vince Cable
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 24 Dec 10 - 08:48 AM

Chris B
There was a smilie after that comment :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye Vince Cable
From: Richie Black (misused acct, bad email)
Date: 24 Dec 10 - 09:39 AM

"Goodbye Vince Cable"
To the best of my knowledge he isn't going anywhere !

Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye Vince Cable
From: MikeL2
Date: 24 Dec 10 - 10:13 AM

<< "Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye Vince Cable
From: Richie Black - PM
Date: 24 Dec 10 - 09:39 AM

"Goodbye Vince Cable"
To the best of my knowledge he isn't going anywhere ! ">>


EXACTLY   !!!!!


Cheers

MikeL2

Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye Vince Cable
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 24 Dec 10 - 10:28 AM

I posted before Dr Cameron said he couldn't do without him, and his jolly banter, not forgetting the dancing lessons.
However, I don't see a long future for young Vince.

Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye Vince Cable
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 27 Dec 10 - 01:22 PM

Far more immediately serious is that Hunt (rhymes with...) a self confessed fan of the dirty digger is now in charge of the approval process. This is dangerous to democracy. Murdoch scratches Cameron's arse, Cameron smooths Murdoch's way to greater power. Roll on Italy and Berlusconi, it's only the next step.

Daily I get angrier and angrier about the sell out of my country to vested interests.

Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye Vince Cable
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 27 Dec 10 - 01:33 PM

"Daily I get angrier and angrier about the sell out of my country to vested interests. "

So do I Richard.

Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye Vince Cable
From: Rusty Dobro
Date: 27 Dec 10 - 07:17 PM

'May I buy a copy of the LibDem manifesto, please?'

'I'm sorry, sir, they've sold out.'

'I know they have, but may I have a copy of the manifesto, please?'