BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?

Subject: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: saulgoldie
Date: 21 Jan 11 - 09:07 PM

He just announced that it was his last show. WTF?

Saul

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: Bobert
Date: 21 Jan 11 - 09:11 PM

I just tried to post another thread entitle "Keith Olberman Busted" but it didn't take...

Yeah, I know that NBC was bought by Comcast (I think) a couple days ago and if they are part of this then there will be a war against Comcast... I mean, a serious war!!!

Now, let's see if they take Rachael out, too...

If so, then I think it's time to mobilize... This was all the left had left...

B~ (very pissed off)

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: Bill D
Date: 21 Jan 11 - 09:31 PM

Oh CRAP!

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: Bobert
Date: 21 Jan 11 - 09:39 PM

More than, "Oh crap", Bill... They are taking Rachael, too, and they are gonna turn this into another right winged media outlet...

Keep yer powder dry...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: BlueJay
Date: 21 Jan 11 - 09:40 PM

I'll miss him. But he went out by reading Thurber's "The Scottie Who Knew Too Much." Loved the "Fridays with Thurber" segments.

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: katlaughing
Date: 21 Jan 11 - 09:46 PM

HIS LAST SHOW. I cannot believe this! I hope he finds a home for his voice somewhere else so we can still have that strong advocacy. The best way to get to Comcast is by telling their advertisers why you WON'T be buying their products.

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: BlueJay
Date: 21 Jan 11 - 09:51 PM

That's a good idea, Kat. I was wondering how to affect them. Thanks, BlueJay

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: Bobert
Date: 21 Jan 11 - 09:56 PM

Ya'll don't get it.... This is all about Comcast and their right winged agenda to complete the taking over of the US media... Rachael Maddow is gone, too...

Comcasts CEO is Brian L Roberts

His address is One Comcast Ceneter
               Philadelphia, Pa. 19103

His Phone number is 215 286 1700

If you care about not following in the footsteps of Germany in the 1930s I'd suggest that you do what I'm going to do tomorrow and call him up and tell him to go fuck himself!!!

He, at least, need to know that we are mout hgere and we're geeting just a little tired of the right wing takin' any and everything they want...

Fuck him!!! And Fuck Comcast!!!

Assholes!!!

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: katlaughing
Date: 21 Jan 11 - 10:10 PM

Bobert, I cannot find any news which cites Rachel being gone, too. We do get it. Yelling at us won't do any good.

BlueJay, you're welcome. Someone could start a boycott list on FaceBook, for starters. There are lots of liberal voice orgs. who would jump on board, I am sure. I get email from several of them almost every day.

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: GUEST,DonMeixner
Date: 21 Jan 11 - 10:29 PM

I wouldn't worry about Olberman, He'll come up some place else with gig.

I have enjoyed Rachel Maddow and always found her to be quirky but even handed. Always willing to tell the straight story even if the truth of it supported a conservative agenda. Keith Olberman on the other , I won't miss even a little bit.

Don

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: Bobert
Date: 21 Jan 11 - 10:31 PM

***NOTE***

See my post on the "F**k Comcast" thread, por favor...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: katlaughing
Date: 21 Jan 11 - 11:25 PM

According to what I read, Keith's contract will keep him off the competition for a certain amount of time, but I agree, Don, we've not heard the last of him and, for one, certainly hope not. I hope we continue to hear Rachel, too. She's a great, even-handed, smart cookie who kind of outshone her buddy, Keith.

Maybe Keith will help liberal politicians in the next elections...writing for them, etc.

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: michaelr
Date: 22 Jan 11 - 12:09 AM

Olbermann is every bit as annoying to me as O'Reilly. It's the style, not the content. I don't like demagogues of any stripe.

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 22 Jan 11 - 01:17 AM

Maybe he's moving to Fox, for both more money and more viewers.....

Gfs

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: kendall
Date: 22 Jan 11 - 08:24 AM

Moving to Fox? that will be the day! Fair and balanced only goes so far; right to far right.

RM is gay; that's enough to take her out as far as the right wing nut cases go.

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Jan 11 - 08:46 AM

Keith Olberman will not work again in the industry... That is my prediction... He may do some guest appearances but that will be about it... He is a marked man and MSNBC is the only liberal outlet out there... The other 99.9% are right winged or right of center...

Sniff...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 22 Jan 11 - 10:31 AM

Oh, I think he'll work again, and be great, at some other channel. I think they're fools for getting rid of him, but at least it wasnt' with a phone call!

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: Bill D
Date: 22 Jan 11 - 01:37 PM

There are many, many ways to have a 'voice'...some of Keith & Rachael's guests are primarily internet bloggers and writers who are found BECAUSE of their viewpoints. Keith could well become an important pundit, whether they let him near a camera or not.

(and see MY post on the other thread)

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: Stringsinger
Date: 22 Jan 11 - 05:55 PM

Direct TV (and or Dish) has Democracy Now, better than all the other MSM shows put together. Amy Goodman is a truth-teller.

I'll miss Keith, though, he was really entertaining.

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: DougR
Date: 22 Jan 11 - 07:10 PM

Maybe his ratings were not as high as required to keep him on the air. They are in the business of making money and they sure weren't making any with the lineup they have at MSNBC.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 22 Jan 11 - 08:09 PM

Bobert: "Now, let's see if they take Rachael out, too...
If so, then I think it's time to mobilize... This was all the left had left..."

Interesting.......


GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: Bill D
Date: 22 Jan 11 - 08:28 PM

ummm.. Doug... "Countdown" was the highest rated show on the network. It was not about ratings & money.

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: Taconicus
Date: 23 Jan 11 - 12:16 AM

Maybe it's part of the drive for civility in public discourse. Olbermann was the biggest hatemonger on national TV. Removing him raises the civility level at least 10%.

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: GUEST,jeff
Date: 23 Jan 11 - 02:28 AM

"Olberman was the biggest hatemonger on national TV."

Nah, he was just the funniest, smartest, hippest, integral and wittiest of the lot.

The others are hacking with meat cleavers. Keith is more of a stilleto guy. By the time one realizes they're bleeding to death it's too late.

When he and Dan Patrick used to do the sports highlights on ESPN in the early-mid 90s it was TV gold. They set the standard.

Be assured he'll turn up somewhere hatemonger or not.

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Jan 11 - 08:29 AM

"Biggest hate monger on TV'???

Wow... Where does the Beck/Limbaugh/O'Reiley team rank???

Them folks have taken hate to a new level...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: saulgoldie
Date: 23 Jan 11 - 09:02 AM

Let's clarify "hatemongering." Keith has had some terse things to say, and he HAS called people "idiots." But that is worlds away from repeatedly calling those who disagree with you nazis, commies, socialists, racists, non-patriots, and such. Besides, those he calls out DESERVE it. He has also actually apologized in TRUE apologies, not like those, "If I have offended anyone..." apologies that the right utters, when he was factually wrong, or felt he crossed his own very restrained line of civility. The same just cannot be said about Rush, Glenn, Bill, or Sean, and others.

He has also shunned talk of guns or killing his opponents. He has ALSO even given them kudos when he felt they deserved it. He can be accused of being passionate. Yes, he is. And he deeply cares about people. The same cannot be said of his opponents. They spew anger all the time. They puff up their faces and scream.

It has not been said much, but I'll say it here. The violent and incendiary hate speech is primarily the providence of the right. That cannot be denied with both hands flailing and mouth at full throttle.

Saul

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 23 Jan 11 - 09:26 AM

Bobert..Oh Dear Bobert,(and a few others), For all the pissing and moaning you've done about 'Boss Hogg', and the corporate 'Evil Empire', I'm ALMOST bewildered, but not quite, that you haven't seen a very simple am obvious truth, by now....so, I'm going to ask you just a few simple questions, that you don't need to answer on here, but just a couple of questions, to think about..OK?....Good...

Who owns MSNBC? NBC? General Electric?..Boss Who?..Who is Olberman's Boss? Do you think that ANYTHING he reported, on 'his' 'news shows', was anything his Bosses didn't want you to hear? Conversely, do you think the stuff he reported was EXACTLY what his bosses wanted you to hear?......OK, that was easy.....................Has listening to Boss Hogg, through Olberman, influenced you political thinking? I thought you were against Boss Hogg; what's wrong with this picture? Did you think Olberman slipped through the 'cracks'?..So, do you suppose the 'Boss Hoggs' who own MSNBC, NBC, General Electric, and who backed the present administration, want to shape how you think, while convincing you, that they are 'underdogs' in the 'struggle'??..the General Electric isn't one of the world's largest 'Boss Hogg' mega-corporations, and they are looking out for you???
Do you think Olberman's decision was moral, or financial?......Makes ya' wanna' ask, "What do they know, that would make Keith not so needed, in that slot, anymore, huh?".........and all this time, you kept saying you didn't like 'Boss Hogg'.......sit down, and have a drink, on me!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: Taconicus
Date: 23 Jan 11 - 02:29 PM

Saul said: The violent and incendiary hate speech is primarily the providence of the right.

I haven't seen that at all. I've seen personal invective from both sides, and from everything I've seen and heard, violent and incendiary hate speech comes overwhelming from the left. But I guess if you're on the left and agree with them, you're just not going to be able to see it very well.

I've never seen anything like the anger and hatred--and just plain fury--on Olbermann's face as he repeatedly smashed an Ann Coulter doll to bits on a table on national television. Two different times.

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: Bill D
Date: 23 Jan 11 - 02:51 PM

??hmmm?? I watched him regularly, and I guessed I missed that. Coulter has not been much in the news recently.
I did hear him finish comments on Michelle Bachmann several times with "That woman is an idiot!"..always said with a bit of bemused irony. He zealously went after Bachmann & Coulter and Sharron Angle and several other right-wing women who seemed especially ding-battish in their remarks.

I NEVER heard him use genuine 'invective' or hate ...anger and criticism and harsh commentary, sure...but some folks don't even try to distinguish the levels when listening to those they disagree with.

(Oh..by the way, just for pedantry's sake, BOTH Olbermann and Bachmann are spelled with TWO Ns..that should not be hard to remember)

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Jan 11 - 05:14 PM

I NEVER heard him use genuine 'invective' or hate...

As I said, if you agree with him it may be hard to hear it.

"…In Scott Brown we have an irresponsible, homophobic, racist, reactionary, ex-nude model, tea-bagging supporter of violence against women and politicians with whom he disagrees." - Keith Olbermann, 2010

Nah, no personal attacks there, eh? Just funny, smart, hip, and witty banter, I guess.

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: saulgoldie
Date: 23 Jan 11 - 05:43 PM

"Idiot" is nowhere near equal to "nazi." And it is fact. And "racist...homophobic...nude model" are facts. And besides, Olbermann always says it with a wink behind it, even if his face seems sharp. And none of what he says can be remotely tied to encouraging violence.

Glenn Beck shows a pistol. Never winks. Never apologies. Never tempers his remarks. I maintain that they are in two different worlds. The right owns the incendiary speech.

Saul

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: Bill D
Date: 23 Jan 11 - 06:56 PM

"...irresponsible, homophobic, racist, reactionary, ex-nude model, tea-bagging supporter of violence against women and politicians with whom he disagrees."

THAT'S what you call invective? That sounds like strong criticism of a specific sort...pointed, but not irrelevant.

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: Ebbie
Date: 23 Jan 11 - 07:04 PM

Hmmmm. This is what Glenn Beck ? said about Scott Brown: ''I want a chastity belt on this man. I want his every move watched in Washington. I don't trust this guy...This one could end with a dead intern. I'm just saying, it could end with a dead intern!''

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Jan 11 - 07:54 PM

This past October, Democrat Representative from Pennsylvania Paul Kanjorski, talking about Republican Rick Scott, said that "instead of running for governor of Florida, they ought to have him and shoot him. Put him against the wall and shoot him."

Kanjorski was one of the Democrats recently preaching about the need for civility in political discourse.

Just a few days ago, Democrat Steve Cohen compared the GOP to Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels during a debate on health care.

I guess we could trade these indefinitely, but what's the point? Partisans always have a selective blindness about it, like goldie up there saying the most vicious political invective is "just facts." Mote, eye, beam, etc. We've a bitter polarized atmosphere, and pissing contests about who's worse don't help.

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: Ebbie
Date: 23 Jan 11 - 07:57 PM

This is true. However, saying that some just don't recognize the invective when it comes from their own side, as was said a few posts above, holds just as true for that post-er.

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 23 Jan 11 - 08:01 PM

The 'tit for tat' that I posted about, before. This could go on forever, but why? It's the same shit from both sides...and still you insist there is a 'difference'...meanwhile, we get lied to about unemployment figures, debt, bailouts and everything they can think of to engage everyone in a totally meaningless debate...while they just keep pleasing their special interests, and then, blame the other party, for things turning to shit!
What else is new???

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 23 Jan 11 - 08:04 PM

....Oh. and I forgot...they pay off their most appeasing 'newscaster' to which ever side('left' or 'right')to deliver the crap..and like starving addicts, the gullible, lap it up!....just from a different face, voice, or assumed 'political' bent!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: GUEST,Taconicus
Date: 23 Jan 11 - 08:14 PM

Strange, I'm apparently still signed in, but for some reason my posts suddenly say "GUEST"

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: saulgoldie
Date: 23 Jan 11 - 09:01 PM

The left makes a few bad comments. The right spews them by the boatload. There is no tit for tat. Lie to yourself if you wish. But you are not entitled to your own facts. What did they call the repeal of the Obama health care reform bill, again?

Saul

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: Bill D
Date: 23 Jan 11 - 09:17 PM

Boy do I get tired of remarks from those who chose to 'cover all the bases' by just roundly condemning ALL politicians and movements equally! Some seem to pretend a 'stance' by vaguely allying themselves with Libertarians or anarchists, but them seldom seem to be FOR anything when it's easier to just be cynical & sarcastic about everything they hear.

Who am I pointing at?☝...if the shoe fits...

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 23 Jan 11 - 09:32 PM

Bill D: "Who am I pointing at?☝...if the shoe fits..."

Anyone who disagrees with your politics....that's who!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: Taconicus
Date: 23 Jan 11 - 09:38 PM

And you are not entitled to refer to your opinions as facts. But you do.

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Jan 11 - 10:08 PM

Problem here is that Keith, ahhhh, tells the truth.... And when he is called on a single mistake, he corrects it and believe you me there are a lot of right winged fact checkers who listen to Keith every night an analyze every word looking for anything they can pin on him... But no matter, he owns up to them all...

Be nice if the Fox'ers would do the same...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 23 Jan 11 - 10:25 PM

Olbermann's departure was in the works for several weeks before the Comcast takeover, according to an Op-Ed in the NY Times, today.

He has agreed not to discuss his departure (for an unspecified time) and not to host a similar show (for an unspecified time, but thought to be the same as Conan O'Brian, nine months).

Bill Carter, "Olbermann's MSNBC Exit Was Weeks in the Making," NY Times, Jan 22, 2011.

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: Bill D
Date: 24 Jan 11 - 12:46 PM

GfS..."Anyone who disagrees with your politics....that's who!"

Why no, that's NOT who. I wasn't even including Doug R and beardedbruce, as I can at least debate with them on specific issues.

Did the fickle finger seem to be pointing YOUR way, oh self-proclaimed sane one?

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 24 Jan 11 - 02:20 PM

New York Times today says the disagreements between Olbermann and MSNBC were long-standing. More than weeks.
Dumping him, and the takeover by Comcast, may be coincidental.

Until some months pass, and Olbermann is freed of his release contract, we will not get the whole story.
Threads like this, with everyone's uninformed assumptions and petty arguments, are a waste of Mudcat drives.

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 24 Jan 11 - 02:55 PM

I should have posted my last little rant in the "Fuck Comcast" thread.
Speculating about Olbermann's future is another matter, something all his listeners will do.

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 24 Jan 11 - 05:32 PM

TMZ says that there was a dispute over money. Olbermann wanted more. MSNBC did not want to pay.

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 24 Jan 11 - 05:51 PM

Bill D: "Did the fickle finger seem to be pointing YOUR way, oh self-proclaimed sane one?"

No, I was just the next poster.....
..You can put your finger back in its appropriate nostril, now.....

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: Bill D
Date: 24 Jan 11 - 05:53 PM

More money? Halfway thru a 4 year contract for about 13 million? Seems far-fetched.

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 24 Jan 11 - 05:59 PM

Bill, what were you thinking??..Its ALL about money!..Just like the corporation he works for!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: Bobert
Date: 24 Jan 11 - 06:20 PM

I kinda see Olberman going on the college lecture/speech tour... I mean, unless his contract with MSNBC prevents that???

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Jan 11 - 06:25 PM

The new owner of MSNBC is Comcast a far right wing monopoly.

By contract Mr. Olbermann is banned from TV appearances or show for one year.

To break the contract or remedy the ban to 6 months may cost Mr. Olbermann a large cash fine in the form of losing severance pay or other legal action.

3 months ago Keith hinted at the axing of his show by corporate interests if a decision is made that the show jeopardizes shareholders in any way.

The boogey man some have pointed to is Tom Brokaw. Tom still has blood on his hands for his unquestioned reporting of the Iraq war and submitting to bradcasting standards dictated by the Bush administration following the 9-11 attack. Does Tom have the power?
no
Comcast does.

FOX and Comcast now own about half the viewed media in the US.

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 24 Jan 11 - 06:46 PM

Donuel: "The new owner of MSNBC is Comcast a far right wing monopoly."

Is that like MSNBC, or NBC, and G.E., who will back any wing, as long as it pays off in the long run, in the form of government contracts, and other assorted favors?

Do you think, at the Board meetings, of these corporations, they whip out their guidelines for 'political correctness' or their political manifestos of things they 'believe' in??...or do they open their financial books, spreadsheets and forecasts???..and decide according to what will make them the most money???????????????

Jeez, folks, wise up!

GFS

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: GUEST,jeff
Date: 24 Jan 11 - 06:49 PM

Olbermann on the college lecture tour? Oh yeah, I can see that. He'll kill. Dan Patrick offered him a spot on his nationally syndicated radio show today if he's allowed, contractually so we'll see.

I'd love to hear him and Dan pontificate on the happenings in the world of sports. They're great together. Like brothers who'll knuckle-up to one another at times, but heaven help you if you mess w/either of them. They're both real smart, hate pretense and love to skewer power and pomposity.

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: Bill D
Date: 24 Jan 11 - 07:41 PM

Where do you get those numbers, Donuel? I couldn't find them...I see many guesses circulating.

I will wait until I hear details from a better source than "TMZ". Why would an entertainment & celebrity gossip site have more info than major sources?

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 24 Jan 11 - 08:28 PM

He may take over a new version of the Howdy Doody show.

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: Bobert
Date: 24 Jan 11 - 09:18 PM

Heck, Q... Fact is stranger than fiction... Maybe his ol' buddy, Bill O, could be Clara Bell???

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 24 Jan 11 - 10:15 PM

When I first saw Olberman, doing the 'news', was during the Clinton/Lewinsky mess. He claimed then, that he was anxious to get back to sports, because he didn't like doing the news. Even at that, I thought he was really good....and when he departed the 'news' team, and his stint was over, it was sort of a bummer. He later re-emerges, and he seemed different.....matter of fact, he just downright sucked, as compared to what he was before. Maybe pandering to a different crowd, maybe Fox wasn't around, so much, then, but comparing the two Olbermans, this one did us all a favor by leaving!..and I'm sorry to see the change, from his former self.....glad to see him hit the road, as of what he turned into, now.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: Neil D
Date: 25 Jan 11 - 08:55 PM

I don't think MSNBC got rid of Keith because of his liberal politics because they gave his slot to Lawrence O'Donnell who is, if anything, more left-wing. Here is a quote from Mr. O'Donnell: "[U]nlike you, I am not a progressive. I am not a liberal who is so afraid of the word that I had to change my name to progressive. Liberals amuse me. I am a socialist. I live to the extreme left, the extreme left of you mere liberals ..." I think it did have to do with his salary and the fact that he never showed true remorse over the campaign contribution flack.

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 26 Jan 11 - 02:56 AM

..and if their ratings slip, beneath the waves, because nobody is listening to them, they'll just shout louder, at the other news for being liars....but the truth is, people are tired of that shit..except a few die-hards.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: Bill D
Date: 26 Jan 11 - 10:59 AM

Yea! Go, GfS!..shout them slogans, whether they have any real substance to them or not.

You have NO idea what "the people" think or are "tired of". Keith had the highest drawing show on the network. He simply didn't 'get along' with upper management.

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 26 Jan 11 - 02:30 PM

Bill D, you've got to stay away from those simple (and very likely) interpretations.

They upset those who like to write their own script.

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: Bill D
Date: 26 Jan 11 - 02:34 PM

I know--I know--- I just can't resist spelling it out. Maybe it was my "See Spot Run" readers 65 years ago... *grin*

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Jan 11 - 02:45 PM

So Lawrence fancies himself some socialist, heh???

That is bothersopme... I don't like the guy at all... I find him rude, interuptive and arrogant and...

...I fancy myself as a socialist...

As for Keith??? I love the guy... I hope he gets on the college circuit and gets alot of college kids thinkin'...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: Bill D
Date: 26 Jan 11 - 02:53 PM

I kinda like Lawrence... he really, really knows the system, having worked for Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan. He can get quite testy when someone tries to dodge a direct question, but he is honest and sane.

The one who drives ME crazy is Chris Matthews, who won't ALLOW anyone, even those on his side, to finish an answer before answering for them or starting another question with a built-in speech.
Chris is a good guy, and has the right ideas...but SHUT UP, Chris, and let someone else talk!

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: DougR
Date: 26 Jan 11 - 05:24 PM

Any truth to the rumor that Olberman is going to sub for Rush Limbaugh while he is on vacation? Another rumor has it that Olberman has repented and converted to conservatism so maybe there is some truth to it. Sorry Bobert. :>)

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Jan 11 - 05:36 PM

I like it, Dougie... I mean, it is genius... Keith fakes like he has switched sides and then he's invited to sub for Rush and he goes in the studio and locks the door behind him (heh heh) and then lights Redneck Nation up with the truth...

I love it!!!

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: Bill D
Date: 26 Jan 11 - 06:30 PM

naawww.. He couldn't keep his face straight long enuf to play THAT one...good as it sounds.

umm...Limbaugh takes VACATIONS?

Subject: RE: Whither Keith Olberman BS ...Why?
From: Taconicus
Date: 26 Jan 11 - 08:39 PM

Remember when G. Gordon Liddy went on a tour of college campuses doing debates with Timothy Leary? (I think Liddy did the same thing with Al Franken later on.)

Since he can't have another show for a while, maybe Olbermann can do the same sort of college debate circuit shtick with Ann Coulter.

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 26 Jan 11 - 09:46 PM

Bill D: "You have NO idea what "the people" think or are "tired of". Keith had the highest drawing show on the network. He simply didn't 'get along' with upper management."

Keith was rated number 28, in ratings..even below the 'Spike' channel, on satellite! Fox had all top ten slots, for what its worth...and I do not get my news exclusively from Fox, so I'm not a Fox 'junkie'....


......now, what was it you were saying???

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 26 Jan 11 - 09:58 PM

Oh..oh yeah, I forgot...but, upon double checking..and I even posted this before, a couple of months ago......the Cartoon Network has a higher share, in that same time slot!!!!

Do you really think G.E. is 'liberal' and against corporate avarice???
(Well, maybe for their competitors).......

Don't feel bad, though, Bill...a lot of the country has been duped, on 'Both' sides...maybe when your vision isn't so myopic, you'll realize the 'TWO' sides, are the same side.........but that's another story....


GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: GUEST,Neil D
Date: 27 Jan 11 - 08:29 AM

umm...Limbaugh takes VACATIONS?




From reality!

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Jan 11 - 12:50 PM

Well, he IS an entertainer, who entertains using political topics....I guess, if you want to look at it that way......................too bad our national political problems don't take a vacation, as well....

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: GUEST,guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Jan 11 - 12:52 PM

...OH!...but so is Keith Olberman....

Waving!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Jan 11 - 03:14 PM

Since when are detox facilities VACATIONS???

(wink, wink...)

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Jan 11 - 05:23 PM

Bobert, Do you think Obama-Care would or should pay for a 'detox vacation'??...Oh, and by the way, remember all the nasty remarks made about those 'right wing' crazies, who opposed Obama-Care???..Check this out...

Video link...check it out !!

and here's the text, regarding the same...

Video link...check it out !!

Now what are you going to do, blame everything on 'Tea Party Anti-Global Warming Racists????'

Maybe time for some re-thinking, huh?

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Jan 11 - 05:25 PM

OOps...Here's the text, and article.....from YESTERDAY!

http://www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/2011/01/medicare_official_doubts_healt.html

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Jan 11 - 05:27 PM

Having problems with the 'Blue Clicky'

Text:
http://www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/2011/0/medicare_official_doubts_healt.html

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Jan 11 - 05:29 PM

Trying again

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Jan 11 - 06:21 PM

Think maybe you might need one of them detox vacations, GfinS... (wink)...

BTW, I Googled up "Obama-Care" and couldn't find any actual legislation by that name... Perhaps you have the correct name for whatever it is you are talkin' about... Or not... If not then see my previous comment on detox...

Oh, if you meant the Affordable Care Act then yeah, I do believe it should cover detox (with a condition) and that condition is the addict go straight from detox to treatment... I mean, if folks don't have any desire to live a cleaner life then just let 'um go... That sounds heartless but it comes from my years working, hell, practically   living at Rubicon's half way house in Richmond as a drug rehab counselor...

And before you bring up my pot use, check out what Rubicon has been about... Ain't a program for people who occasionally smoke pot... Sheet fire, if it was that then they would have had to fire just about everyone who worked at Rubicon... No, pot smokers ain't squat in the eyes of Rubicon... Folks like Rush Limbaugh ain't either 'cause he has private insurance... Nah, Rubicon's "clients" all came from jail and were some seriously messed up junkies...

There, GfinS... Think I gave you enough stuff to pick apart an razz me quite some time...

I apologize fir not wrestling around with ya' much but ol' hillbilly busier than one legged man in a marathon and just haven't had much pudder time of late... But I'll make it up to ya...

B~ *grin*

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: Bill D
Date: 27 Jan 11 - 10:22 PM

I got kicked off by the snow storm here...or I would have asked GfS..Where did you get those statistics?

Now, all I claimed was that "Countdown" was MSNBC's highest rated program, ... I have no idea what "on satellite" means. YOU suggested that MSNBC wanted him gone because of $$$ and low ratings. I doubt those folks watching cartoons or Spike will make much difference in the formula.. ☺

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Jan 11 - 10:52 PM

Bill D: "..Now, all I claimed was that "Countdown" was MSNBC's highest rated program,..."

That may be, that "Countdown" was MSNBC's highest rated program,..." BUT, Not as many people are watching MSNBC as you have been led to assume.

There was a time I used to watch a lot of MSNBC, but since they've got more into political posturing, than reporting the 'news' objectively, I found other, FAR more reliable news sources....as my track record on here, should have proved by now. I've brought you guys stuff, that NO ONE has been reporting, that over a period of time, though it was 'unpopular' when I've posted it, it turned out true.

I think, that instead of us being confrontational with each other, mostly because of PERCEIVED political differences, we should be more interested in getting to the TRUTH about so many subjects..that we, as a people, are being flat-out LIED to about. One somewhat sad note, is that, for some reason, you don't think that I'm on your side!!! I mean if you want to argue, for argument's sake, I can go toe to toe with the best of them..but 'winning an argument' is NOT what I'm about...matter of fact, I rarely even discuss politics, in my normal daily life..just on here. ...and when I do, I'm trying to turn you on to some things that are the 'story behind the story'..because WE, are writers, that expect people to listen to what we say, and should at least, bring those same people, a perspective, that they may not have considered. This comes from INDEPENDENT thinking....not just parroting the bullshit propaganda, from political perspectives, from jerk-offs who think they can co-opt us musicians, artists, and writers!!!!!..and falsely identify themselves with us!!

We have been massively defrauded...and to correct that situation, some of us are going to take a lot of heat....AND, as I've said before, on here, we are not political mouthpieces, for ANY side..we are MUSICIANS...a class of people, quite unique in our abilities..and in these times, WE KNOW what we should be doing..not choosing sides, based on misinformation, but rather, reaching into that unseen world, and bringing TRUTH, LOVE, PEACE, HOPE and a window into that unseen, to people who do not have that gifted talent. That's our calling...not to be the 'coolest', 'hippest', self absorbed morons in the community, or larger, whatever the case may be.

I really hope you were able to read this, without the preconception, that I'm being contentious..I'm NOT..I'M ON YOUR SIDE!!!

Regards,
GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: Stringsinger
Date: 28 Jan 11 - 06:02 PM

I'm glad that Mount Olbermann had a chance to tell the truth for a while, not like these bland, mealy mouthed newscasters, equivocators, spinners, corporate whores,
and all of those who think he was a demagogue. He told it honestly as he saw it
with humor, showmanship, courage and insight.

To compare Olbermann with O'Reilly is comparing Ghandi to Goebels. It doesn't wash. False equivalence by tepid-thinking, so-called fairness fanatics and
let's-all-get-along in the face of corruption idolators can only sweep America's great flaws under the proverbial carpet. Muck raking is as American as the Flag.
If it weren't for the American great muck rakers we wouldn't have Civil Rights, the opposition to child labor laws, Social Security, Unions or any other of the most important institutions that O'Reilly and his ilk want to destroy.

There are those who never want to rock the boat even when it's leaky and they go down with it.

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: Bill D
Date: 28 Jan 11 - 09:44 PM

"Not as many people are watching MSNBC as you have been led to assume.."

I haven't been "led to assume" ANYTHING... You are dodging what I stated. and.....You still haven't told me where YOU got stats about Spike getting higher ratings. I'd like to read them, and see who compiled them and during what time periods...

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: Bobert
Date: 28 Jan 11 - 09:59 PM

Bill, Bill, Bill...

It's like this... GUEST from Sanity can be interpreted as meaning that she is indeed a "guest from sanity" meaning shes from "sanity" and away from home... Get my drift???

I know that gonna hurt yer head as it does mine...

So I try to keep it a little easier and just call her "GUEST from inSanity" which implies that she is indeed from inSanity...

But no matter, she is a tad on the, ahhhhhh, side of mythology with a healthy mix of, ahhhhhhh, very strange thinking... She probably wouldn't admit (yet she might) but shes kinda a mix between a Libertarian and a Tea Partier... That oughtta explanerate this little situation...

But, hey??? Nobody's perfect...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 Jan 11 - 02:12 AM

Well, there's this one....


another.........

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: Ebbie
Date: 29 Jan 11 - 03:05 AM

From the link: "Here are the best excuses I can think of: maybe a lot of middle-of-the-roaders have just tuned out on all the cable news noise. Maybe other people have better things to do with their lives than listen to pandering pundits. Maybe more generous souls accept that Obama's doing the best he can in a very tough job, and they don't want to hear the details because they know the stars are not shining on America right now."



What GfS and many consevatives/right wing/partiers cannot see or would fail to admit is that no Fox devotees- no consevatives/right wing/partiers - would ever write anything like the above. And that is because they are simply not interested in truth.

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: Bobert
Date: 29 Jan 11 - 09:02 AM

That's the mythology part of my observations, Eb...

But, hey, can't blame them... Reality does kinda suck...

B;~)

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: Bill D
Date: 29 Jan 11 - 11:38 AM

well... reading this: "In primetime (8-11PM), Fox News averaged 1.92 million total viewers (485,000 A25-54) to take first place; MSNBC came in second with 785,000 total viewers (239,000 A25-54). CNN came in third in total viewers with 596,000, beating HLN's 512,000; in the A25-54 demo, however, HLN placed third with 166,000 to CNN's 148,000."....I see that viewers who want to watch something OTHER than Fox have divided their loyalties. It seems 'about' as many are NOT watching Fox as are.

Then, the article goes on to say:"Though Fox News remains #1, it is showing some signs of wear and tear: the network was down 19% in primetime total viewers and 13% in the prime demo compared to last April; it was down 17% in total day total viewers and 16% in the total day demo as well."

I am not a bit surprised to see that Fox has lots of viewers....they ARE the center of right-wing opinion focus...and the entire country is kinda divided these days.
I still don't see where Spike out pulls MSNBC....or what difference it makes, because FOX is 'roughly' equal to the 3 alternative news shows, thus Spike would be pretty competitive with Fox also. It sure is interesting to play with statistics, hmmm?

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 Jan 11 - 01:40 PM

Ebbie, Don & Bobert, I guess when people run out of 'spin', they make up their own, eh?....such is American ingenuity!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: Ebbie
Date: 29 Jan 11 - 03:03 PM

A recnnt blogger wrote somewhere that he believes that dropping Olbermann was a condition that Comcast imposed on NBC or the deal would not go through.

I know, I know, a blogger. However, might it be true?

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: Bill D
Date: 29 Jan 11 - 04:30 PM

We'll never know what was said behind closed doors...but the rest of MSNBC anchors swear that THEY will continue to say what they wish. I really think it was just Keith's constant contentious attitude toward ANY management that caused the rift. We shall see.......

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: DougR
Date: 30 Jan 11 - 01:14 PM

"On the way to work today I drove by another homeless guy with a great voice looking for a job: Keith Olberman." - Jay Leno
:>)
DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 30 Jan 11 - 01:26 PM

>>>1.92 million total viewers (485,000 A25-54) to take first place; MSNBC came in second with 785,000 total viewers (239,000 A25-54). CNN came in third in total viewers with 596,000, beating HLN's 512,000; in the A25-54 demo, however, HLN placed third with 166,000 to CNN's 148,000."<<<

I think there are two points to be taken from this.

1. The total prime time "News" audience is less than 5 million. That means about 98% of the country does not watch any of those outlets.

2. Fox News is a political propaganda arm of "NewsCorp" they should not be included in ratings with those other operations. Yet they continue, simply by saying so, to convince bystanders, that they are a "News" channel.

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 31 Jan 11 - 01:02 PM

Jack the Sailor: "2. Fox News is a political propaganda arm of "NewsCorp" they should not be included in ratings with those other operations. Yet they continue, simply by saying so, to convince bystanders, that they are a "News" channel."

...and owned by the same company that owns the 'Wall Street Journal'..(for what its worth).

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: Bill D
Date: 31 Jan 11 - 02:14 PM

Well, they do monitor & report on the general news. If there's a plane crash or riot or snowstorm, they follow it.... it's just that when politics and morality are involved, the canned, pre-ordained talking points are trotted out. Same thing happens with the Washington Times newspaper.

   The 'opinion' content of Fox is essentially owned by the far right, and used to spread the gospel.

And yes, it IS different in kind from the way CNN & MSNBC favor the middle to left.

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 31 Jan 11 - 04:45 PM

Bill, As I've stated before, Fox News, along with OTHER 'news' sources, should be watched...just for, if for any other reason, to be able to figure out what 'they' are really trying to hide from us. The problem with any of them, is like eating fish, and spitting out the bones!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: Bill D
Date: 31 Jan 11 - 05:09 PM

Well, I have to agree with you there, GfS... I don't care to follow them all day, because I need real news and other opinions, but MSNBC has several programs with paid staff who catch the most egregious stuff, and I look in during particularly testy times to get the flavor.

I believe strongly that no one can adequately argue his own side if he cannot reasonably describe the OTHER side. (I said that better somehwere.)

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 31 Jan 11 - 05:39 PM

Faints!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: Bill D
Date: 31 Jan 11 - 05:52 PM

**waving smelling salts & grinning**

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 31 Jan 11 - 07:51 PM

Thanks Bill!....Oh, my gosh, we're not in Kansas, anymore....where am I?..Where's my computer???

Smiling back,
GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: Bill D
Date: 31 Jan 11 - 08:07 PM

I'd be a lot more careful what I say under my own name if I were still in Kansas.....the Wicked Witches of the MidWest can be vindictive...

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 01 Feb 11 - 01:02 AM

Speaking of 'Wicked Witches'..I'll have to say..Every time I've seen Hilary Clinton on the 'news', in regards to the Egyptian crisis, I'll have to say, I've been pretty impressed by her statements. I think she seems to give a shit about this situation, than her 'Boss'. It seems like she's stronger in her rooting for us. even though Barack was in a dicey predicament with it, she seems more surefooted.

Gosh, did I actually say that about Hilary???
Oh well, ya' gotta give her credit when she does something right...if you're going to bitch when they do stupid stuff, too!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: Ebbie
Date: 01 Feb 11 - 01:23 AM

Bill! Back off! The smelling salts must be too strong for his system.

(Incidentally, Bill is not the only one - by a long shot - who keeps an ear cocked to hear the other side. There are times I cannot listen but have to read the text transcript instead. Smarminess is hard to watch.)

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 01 Feb 11 - 01:29 AM

The Ebster: "Bill! Back off! The smelling salts must be too strong for his system."

You mean you think Hilary is even worse???

I was saying something 'nice' about her...and I usually can't stand her.. yeah, come to think of it, you may be right!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: Bobert
Date: 01 Feb 11 - 07:54 AM

Hillary is who she is... She is more confrontational that Obama... I mean, she'd have to be to have been with Slick Willie all these years...

But it also works well as good cop/bad cop... Each is doing what they should be doing given the situation...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 01 Feb 11 - 09:17 AM

>>>Well, they do monitor & report on the general news. If there's a plane crash or riot or snowstorm, they follow it.... it's just that when politics and morality are involved, the canned, pre-ordained talking points are trotted out. Same thing happens with the Washington Times newspaper.

   The 'opinion' content of Fox is essentially owned by the far right, and used to spread the gospel.

And yes, it IS different in kind from the way CNN & MSNBC favor the middle to left. <<<

I haven't watched Fox in a while, but when I have watched them, even when they reported non-political stories, there were little banners scrolling across the screen with a political anti-Democratic slant.

Subject: RE: BS: Whither Keith Olberman...Why?
From: Bill D
Date: 01 Feb 11 - 10:59 AM

Hilary's remarks seemed pretty well crafted, given the delicate situation. She gets decent grades and seems to be respected abroad. I hope this Egypt situation is resolved without her having to push on either side.


"...even when they reported non-political stories, there were little banners scrolling across the screen with a political anti-Democratic slant."

Oh sure.... they are never far from pushing an agenda. All I am saying is that they keep enough window dressing to claim to be a 'news' network.