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Subject: People who talk during concerts From: GUEST,David E. Date: 28 Jun 11 - 04:17 PM I don't mean the discreet leaning to your neighbor to make a brief comment, I mean the insistent loud jabbering with no regard for performer or audience. You know, the guy behind you who goes BLABLABLABLA all evening and gets even louder if the music gets louder. Yes, I have an attitude about it, but I've come to believe that there are just as many people who don't understand why it bothers anyone. So, if there is anyone reading this who is a BLABLABLABLA person explain yourself because I am tired of having concerts ruined by rudeness. David E. PS- Just to clarify, I am not talking about people attending some huge outdoor rock and roll party-like festival, but concerts where it's expected that people are going to sit and listen. |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: Richard Bridge Date: 28 Jun 11 - 04:43 PM Good question. |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 28 Jun 11 - 04:51 PM Just as bad is when paying to go to a theatre there is a group of people, usually a hospitality turn-out - all pissed out of their brains, and insistent on not so much talking over but shouting over the performance. |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: Arthur_itus Date: 28 Jun 11 - 04:58 PM Plain bad manners. It irritates me immensely. I don't allow that at our concert venue. People pay good money to see an act and they do not want to listen to twat's talking incessantly, they want to listen to the act they paid to see. Banter in between songs is something else. |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: Mrrzy Date: 28 Jun 11 - 05:00 PM Ooh, while we're at it if you don't mind a little thread creep, what about people who sing along at concerts? |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: Arthur_itus Date: 28 Jun 11 - 05:06 PM Well if the act encourages you, that's fine. Whilst we are at it. What about the twats that stand up and block your view. No concern for people who have a disability and can't stand up. Whilst we are at it. What about the venues that allow standing only and that means that people with disabilties cannot attend. anymore :-) |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: John MacKenzie Date: 28 Jun 11 - 05:12 PM I have been known to stop dead mid song, and ask a couple of motormouths whether my singing was interrupting their conversation. |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: Arthur_itus Date: 28 Jun 11 - 05:25 PM Maybe they were complaining that your singing was interupting their talking John LOL :-) |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: skipy Date: 28 Jun 11 - 05:26 PM There are 2 people (both catters) who drive me to distaction by talking to me a the back of a concert when I am trying to run it! NO NAMES NO PACK DRILL!! They both mean well but it is wrong, soooo wrong. Skipy |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: Arthur_itus Date: 28 Jun 11 - 05:40 PM With you there Skipy :-) |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: Gurney Date: 28 Jun 11 - 05:40 PM Name the buggers, Skipy. Both as compere and as performer, I've issued boll**kings. But I've also been guilty of it. |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: PHJim Date: 28 Jun 11 - 05:53 PM David E. said, "Just to clarify, I am not talking about people attending some huge outdoor rock and roll party-like festival, but concerts where it's expected that people are going to sit and listen." Not a Rock and roll party, but at an outdoor folk festival, my brother and I were interrupted by a man talking and laughing at the top of his lungs to a group of his friends. My brother said, very politely, "Could you talk over at the side. That guy's trying to put on a show up there." The man replied with some very vulgar language and continued to laugh and yell throughout the act. Imagine our surprise to see him appear as a performer later on that day. |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: DMcG Date: 28 Jun 11 - 06:00 PM Just to clarify, I am not talking about people attending some huge outdoor rock and roll party-like festival Not quite rock and roll, but I went to a 'Proms in the Park' a few years back where the entire first half was inaudible because of Hoorays yabbering constantly in front of us. |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: CupOfTea Date: 28 Jun 11 - 06:01 PM Lately I've noticed that a few folks who are "staff" seem to feel immune to the strictures of politeness - what's with THAT? I'm not talking about discussions of sound, lights, performer logistics, but unrelated chats. Several times lately I found myself glaring at someone who had some sort of staff teeshirt or name tag who was nattering away at the back of a venue that clearly had an inside/outside separation. I just gawped at the woman who answered her LOUD cellphone by sort of hunching over it and holding her hands around it, as if that would make it acoustically invisible, then went on in what seemed like a stage whisper "I can't talk now, I'm at a concert" Pause "No, really, I can't talk now" Part and parcel of living in a culture where the norm seems to be that everyone must be in touch with everyone else they know at all times, perhaps? Joanne (who does not text or tweet and tries not to be a twit) |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: GUEST,Grishka Date: 28 Jun 11 - 06:01 PM What about those who bawl out "harmony" voices that do not fit your chord scheme, and look around trying to catch appreciative glances from the audience? Then a cell phone starts tootling, someone dressed up as a businessman slowly searches all his pockets, and when he finally finds the phone, he shouts into it: "I CAN'T UNDERSTAND YOU, THE MUSIC IS JUST SO BLOODY LOUD! ... YES, CANCEL THE FLIGHT TO ZURICH, I'LL TAKE THE HELI TOMORROW!" |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: GUEST,David E. Date: 28 Jun 11 - 06:45 PM Thank you for the posts. I would be glad to attend a concert with any of you. David E. |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: Midchuck Date: 28 Jun 11 - 06:58 PM Not with me. I have a tendency to sing along with the performer, if it's a song I know and like - and I'm not even conscious that I'm doing it until I notice someone glaring at me... P. |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: DrugCrazed Date: 28 Jun 11 - 07:02 PM I sang the harmony that Jonathan Coulton wrote when I last saw him perform. And I have a habit of singing harmony parts I know. Am I a bad man? |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: SINSULL Date: 28 Jun 11 - 07:26 PM the ones I truly love are the clods who insist on tuning whistles, guitars or even harpsichords while getting ready to follow the performing artist. RUDE RUDE RUDE Have to admit, I once had an uncontrollable giggling fit mid Bill Staines. I owe him an apology. |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: IvanB Date: 28 Jun 11 - 07:38 PM I've been known to turn around (or tap on the shoulder if the offenders are in front of me) and inform them that "I came to enjoy the concert and I'd just as soon do it without their input." Usually those around us have been quite supportive of my stand. |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: Richard Bridge Date: 28 Jun 11 - 09:00 PM I'm all for singing along, as part of "folk" and "folk-alike". |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: Effsee Date: 28 Jun 11 - 10:19 PM As a promoter of a concert who refunded £48 to 4 people at half time in a concert, just to get rid of one of them, who came to me during the interval and complained that an adjacent table had asked her to shut up during the performance, and argued that, "No you hadn't", when I told her that she was clearly audible across 50 feet of the room where I was standing, and that I had heard her...I know where you're coming from! Pure bloody ignorance, inconsideration...and why TF come to the concert in the first place if they don't want to listen? |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: Neil D Date: 28 Jun 11 - 10:32 PM Here's a twist on the subject, performers who talk during concerts. I went to see a well known Zydeco performer last summer and he wouldn't shut up. I don't mean just introducing songs and an occasional anecdote, but 5 minutes of idle chit chat after every song. He spent more time talking than playing, literally. |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: open mike Date: 29 Jun 11 - 12:13 AM i always love it when a performer invites the audience to sing along.. but it is not appropriate unless invited to do so.. |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 29 Jun 11 - 04:54 AM I remember one night at the Player's Theatre when the hospitality brigade were getting louder by the minute - Jan Hunt was on stage and let rip with a well paced - well projected "OH SHUT UP". That got the best applause of the evening. Trouble is the hospitalities - obvious overpaid bankers or that ilk were too stupid to realise it was directed at them , and carried on regardless. No wonder the economy is in a mess!!! |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: Richard Bridge Date: 29 Jun 11 - 05:01 AM I am rather taken by the "rights of admission are reserved" approach, pursuant to which organisers would eject braying jackasses. |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 29 Jun 11 - 05:02 AM Out of interest, has a promoter ever had to refund the majority of an audience because of the disruptive behaviour of a minority? |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: Ana Date: 29 Jun 11 - 05:15 AM I hate it when people tap to a tune (doesn't necessarily equate to tapping in time) especially if it means they are jiggling coins or kicking the back of my chair. |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: melodeonboy Date: 29 Jun 11 - 05:51 AM I've noticed people in singarounds who like attention when they're performing, but then natter, albeit quietly for the most part, when someone else is performing. On a related matter, at a gig with my (fairly noisy!) zydeco band at a pub in Whitstable last year, there was a bunch of blokes who stood near the band and right in front of one of the speakers. They (and one bloke in particular) talked all the way through the gig, and didn't applaud or even recognise the existence of the band. It didn't affect the gig much, as the PA was louder than their voices, but it just seemed curious to me that they decided to stand there rather than in other parts of the pub which were much quieter and, presumably, more suited to conversation. And, blow me, at a gig later the same year at the same venue, the talkative one was back again in exactly the same place and did the same again! It's beyond my ken! |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: The Sandman Date: 29 Jun 11 - 08:05 AM and what about the people who fart at concerts. |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: Charley Noble Date: 29 Jun 11 - 08:16 AM "what about the people who fart at concerts"? If they fart in harmony, that's fine with me. Otherwise they should be exorcized. Charley Noble |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: jacqui.c Date: 29 Jun 11 - 08:25 AM I, too, cannot understand why people go to musical events and want to spend their time talking. I go to music events to listen to the music and find it annoying when someone in the group wants to chat at me while a singer is performing. Even if I don't respond they will quite often keep going and have to be shushed to shut them up. At Old Songs this last weekend, during one of the workshops, there were a couple of people behind me who were droning on while one of the performers was talking about the song they were about to sing. I did my usual - turned round and glared - and they shut up. At an open air concert featuring Jose Carreras a group near me were chatting through the opening number by a choir (The Chorus Of The Hebrew Slaves)and I tried to ignore them but when they continued to chat while the great man (IMHO) was performing I just told them that I had paid to listen to the music, not them. Sometimes one needs to be a bit rude to shut rude people up - just fighting fire with fire. |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: stevi Date: 29 Jun 11 - 08:52 AM Not a concert but at my session the other night one guys phone rang not once but again 10 mins later 3 times infact! He had a few drinks down him but just carried on talking on it through the playing regardless. Bl..dy annoying but what can you do. Stevi |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: Midchuck Date: 29 Jun 11 - 09:07 AM Take the phone away from him. Stamp it into fragments. Ram the jagged fragments up his... Oh, sorry. I feel strongly about this matter and sometimes get carried away. Peter |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: Elmore Date: 29 Jun 11 - 09:09 AM This is a problem without a solution. It's been bugging me for fifty years. I used to try to stare offenders into quietude. In recent years that has proven to be too subtle. |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: GUEST,David E. Date: 29 Jun 11 - 10:57 AM So it sounds like ninety-nine percent of concert goers are polite and respectful and one percent are obnoxious and ruin the experience for the rest of us. A lot like life itself isn't it? Thanks again for the posts, I was beginning to despair that it was only me... David E. |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: GUEST,Grishka Date: 29 Jun 11 - 12:08 PM Stevi, > what can you do If you happen do be something like Franz Liszt, do as he did, according to Siloti's memoirs 1920: Liszt and Czar Nicholas I |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: The Sandman Date: 29 Jun 11 - 12:51 PM good on ya Liszt matey, f### all these control freaks, whether they be emperors or folk festival organisers, or just plain ignorant people who believe music is wall paper. |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: Arthur_itus Date: 29 Jun 11 - 02:18 PM What do you mean by "folk festival organisers" GSS. Is that a knock becuase they don't invite you? Folk festival organisers work very very hard to provide entertainment for the folk world, very often, just for expenses or sometimes for nothing. I find you comments to FFO offensive to say the least. I hope they never book you in the future. Maybe I have misunderstood you, in which case I will duly apologise, if you can explain your comment. |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: GUEST,PeterC Date: 29 Jun 11 - 03:26 PM Cue now for another thread on how dreadful folk clubs are for expecting people to keep quiet during the performance. |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: GUEST,999 Date: 29 Jun 11 - 03:33 PM I figured by now someone would have suggested asking politely for the talkers to please be quiet. I've done that a few times and it works. |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: GUEST,pete from seven stars link Date: 29 Jun 11 - 03:49 PM it seems to me that different clubs have different ethos.often at one club,no-one seems to listen,and talk.this may be dislike or familiarity or just the way it is.however,if someone new and outstanding performs, talk tends to subside.it is just the same at open mics i,ve played at,and i can get either response.there are thankfully folk and open mics that do value the performer,even those less experienced.so if it comes to a choice;which will win my support?! |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: The Sandman Date: 29 Jun 11 - 03:55 PM arthuritis, it was an attempt at a joke,i agree rather a poor joke, i know they work hard and I am pleased someone organises them. |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: Arthur_itus Date: 29 Jun 11 - 04:01 PM Ah OK You should have added a :-) Then I would have seen that humour was intended. :-) So aplogies from me for misjudging you. |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: Dave MacKenzie Date: 29 Jun 11 - 05:24 PM What sign should you use if humour is not intended? |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: GUEST,mg Date: 29 Jun 11 - 05:30 PM I totally understand why they talk at bar performances and at open air events..like Folklife... It should be a job of the M.C. to say what expectations are and how far away to move if you want to carry on a conversation. At a concert I would assume silence, butthe M.C. should ask people to turn off cell phones and not talk except during intermissions. Never heard of anyone not like toe tapping before though. It has never bothered me. What if you tried to stop that in Quebec? mg |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: skipy Date: 29 Jun 11 - 05:39 PM In a lot of cases organisers work for a lot less than nothing! By not claiming any form of expences at all to keep ticket & door prices as low as possible to make sure there is a good enough crowd at an event to make the event work. Also by leaving whatever "profit" a festival makes in the festival fund to buy in the best that can be afforded the next year. Artists as well have worked for me for a lot less than they could be paid at other festivals to keep it going. Skipy |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: Rumncoke Date: 29 Jun 11 - 06:50 PM There would be a special place in Hell for all those who yatter when others are trying to listen - if I had anything to do with it. It would be double booked with a beginner bagpipe workshop where the tutor was perpetually late and no one had a tuner. Anne Croucher :ootd: |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: bruceCMR Date: 29 Jun 11 - 06:58 PM Re telephones ringing, I remember watching a snooker match on TV. At a key point in the game, someone's phone rang, shattering the silence for the second or third time. The referee turned round to the audience, looked at the guy and said "Go on, answer it. Tell them you're on your way home..." |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: GUEST Date: 29 Jun 11 - 08:00 PM
RE:expected that people are going to sit and listen.
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: skipy Date: 29 Jun 11 - 08:19 PM Beware Troll! |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: Soldier boy Date: 29 Jun 11 - 09:19 PM I once got a really big SUSH and seriously glared at by a group of folk for apparently ordering my beer too loudly at the bar in the Rowing club at Durham during The Durham Folk Party weekend and they made me feel like an unwelcomed little moron who had invaded their private party. The bartender didn't hear my order first time because I had tried to whisper it and he couldn't hear me over the chorus everyone was joining in with so I had to raise my voice a little. This wasn't a concert, it was a very formal singaround and it was a free event, but I have also seen similar problems in local folk clubs and at paying concerts at folk festivals all over this land where the concert room had a bar. All I am saying is that we need a little bit of give and take here boys and girls. We all know that the more people drink, the louder they get, so we should expect it and learn to tolerate it and take it in our stride and just handle it. Failing that, you could always arrange concerts without bars that sell alcohol and join The Sons of Temperance and nurse a half pint of warm Cola through a three hour concert and then ask the venue owners if it had been worth it for them! It's a difficult mix to get right! Cheers Chris |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: Midchuck Date: 29 Jun 11 - 09:39 PM ...you could always arrange concerts without bars that sell alcohol and join The Sons of Temperance and nurse a half pint of warm Cola through a three hour concert... ...Welcome to the US! Peter |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: Soldier boy Date: 29 Jun 11 - 09:46 PM Fair enough Peter, but I'm glad I 'aint in the US! Sounds pretty sad to me! |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: PHJim Date: 30 Jun 11 - 01:56 AM I recall attending a concert by a well-known Canadian performer - soft seat, not a bar - when a cell phone rang. The owner answered the phone and said,"Hello." The performer asked,"Could I speak to your friend?" The owner of the phone, probably thinking that his friend would like to talk to a celebrity, handed the phone over. The performer said into the phone,"He's at a concert and will call you back." He then said something like,"Since you don't know enough to turn off your phone at a concert, I'll do it for you. Come and get it back at the end of the night." The audience applauded. |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: GUEST,Guest - LIn Date: 30 Jun 11 - 01:57 AM Yes, it is unfortunate that even at folk/acoustic concerts there are some rude and inconsiderate of others in attendance. My pet peeves: 1. Loud and inconsiderate people who talk loud and especially those who just cannot refrain from talking loud on their cell phones while the performer is on the stage. It just seems that people cannot be without their cell phones no matter what. I just think it is so rude to talk when a folk/acoustic performer is singing. 2. People who sing-along to the performer's song (when the performer) has not asked for the audience to participate and sing on that song. It actually is very inconsiderate of those around who want to hear the performer only!! If the singer asks for a sing-a-long then that's different. 3. People who stand up in front of you when most people are sitting. Some people are physically unable to stand at a concert and therefore when someone stands up, and stays standing, it makes it difficult for other's to enjoy the concert. I'm not even talking about someone in a wheelchair (who cannot stand at all) but even other people who cannot stand up at a concert. These days I mostly just attend house concerts where you don't find these kind of problems. |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: Gurney Date: 30 Jun 11 - 02:18 AM Sorry to the people who think that the audience shouldn't sing the chorus, but the chorus IS the audience's part to sing, even when it isn't really a folk song. Check the definition! Anyone who doesn't want the audience to sing along, they should sing songs that don't have a chorus. I appreciate that there are ego-trippers like that. Bad luck. |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: Gurney Date: 30 Jun 11 - 02:50 AM Er... That's ego-trippers who think that they own a song, chorus and all. |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: stallion Date: 30 Jun 11 - 03:26 AM can't see the not joining in on the chorus bit, isn't the joining in bit what it is all about, what makes it different?. At our local session people come for a sing and it takes them quite a long time to learn songs so they want to sing the same songs, I am acutely aware that they have not come to listen to me! Also, in a non concert environment people are having a night out with friends and you cannot expect them to sit around tight lipped so, daunting as it might be for some, you just gotta belt it out and hope enough people join in to drown out the chat. |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: GUEST,Chris B (Born Again Scouser) Date: 30 Jun 11 - 04:55 AM I dunno. Does Ralph McTell invite people to join in the chorus when he plays 'Streets Of London'? Because most people do. Can't say it's ever spoiled my enjoyment of it. I think joining in choruses (and the clue lies in the word 'chorus') is a different matter from talking during a performance or trying to 'improve' a performance by singing 'harmonies' through a song. |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: GUEST,Shimrod Date: 30 Jun 11 - 06:07 AM Actually I hate mobile phones in any public space - let alone concerts! Anyone who fails to switch their phone off at a concert should be hung on a gibbet, somewhere near the stage, and left there as an object lesson to the rest! Mobile phones should also be banned on public transport (as I believe they are in Japan). If anyone reading this is in the habit of conducting trivial conversations with your equally moronic mates, at the top of your voice, whilst travelling on the bus or train - be warned - I might be sitting behind you and the 'red mist' could come down and when it clears you could be lying in the aisle choking on your f*cking phone! Of course, I might have to spend some locked up in a 'secure institution' - but it would be worth it!! |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: The Sandman Date: 30 Jun 11 - 06:35 AM well said shimrod. |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: ripov Date: 30 Jun 11 - 11:09 AM definitely a hierarchy here:- concert - total hush (you're all here to listen) folk club - whisper (you can say it after, or next week) singaround - maybe you won't see your friend for another 3 months, but go outside to natter (I'm often guilty on this one - sorry MBoy) pub gig - don't expect them all to listen, some are only there to get drunk. session - just pray that the punters aren't making so much noise that you can't hear the other players. And try to avoid cup final nights. And make sure your own phone's off before you cuss someone else! |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: Bonzo3legs Date: 30 Jun 11 - 11:19 AM What about the noise of a cassette being changed in a recording walkman!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: John P Date: 30 Jun 11 - 02:22 PM Anyone who expects silence from an audience that's been drinking needs to be in a different line of work, or a different venue. Singing along uninvited during a concert is always rude, chorus or no. Do you really think everyone came there to hear you? If you don't want the musicians to make that decision, keep to sing-a-rounds and sessions where the musicians haven't gone to some trouble to prepare a song for performance. At least make sure you know the acceptable local behavior. Assuming that a folk song SHOULD be sung along with because it's a folk song is failing to recognize that folk songs often get played these days in places that are not community singing opportunities. |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: Bonzo3legs Date: 30 Jun 11 - 03:02 PM "Singing along uninvited during a concert is always rude, chorus or no. Do you really think everyone came there to hear you? If you don't want the musicians to make that decision, keep to sing-a-rounds and sessions where the musicians haven't gone to some trouble to prepare a song for performance. At least make sure you know the acceptable local behavior. Assuming that a folk song SHOULD be sung along with because it's a folk song is failing to recognize that folk songs often get played these days in places that are not community singing opportunities." Really??? |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: GUEST,mg Date: 30 Jun 11 - 03:42 PM I personally would never knowingly attend a concert where audience could not chime in on the chorus. I would consider the owner of that attitude just too self-important or whatever for me to want to see her. mg |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: GUEST,pete from seven stars link Date: 30 Jun 11 - 03:43 PM i recently had the unexpected experience of near everyone singing along and clapping to the chorus of the song i,m best known for in my small corner of the music world.i took it as a great compliment. by contrast at the next bar elsewhere ,i seemed to get indifference. both are humbling in opposite ways. |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: Bonzo3legs Date: 30 Jun 11 - 04:05 PM People like John P are rule makers - good job we take no notice. |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: Richard Bridge Date: 30 Jun 11 - 04:14 PM Aren't rule makers self important too? Do you doff your cap to your betters on the polo-field too Bozo? |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: PHJim Date: 30 Jun 11 - 07:28 PM GUEST:Lln's pet peeves: 1. Loud and inconsiderate people who talk loud and especially those who just cannot refrain from talking loud on their cell phones while the performer is on the stage. It just seems that people cannot be without their cell phones no matter what. I just think it is so rude to talk when a folk/acoustic performer is singing. This also goes for restaurants and public libraries. People on cell phones seem to have to talk at a very high volume. Occasionally I have answered a person who asked a question, not realizing they were on their cell phone. Often I get an annoyed,"I wasn't talking to you." It happens even more often now that the in ear phones are here. 2. People who sing-along to the performer's song (when the performer) has not asked for the audience to participate and sing on that song. It actually is very inconsiderate of those around who want to hear the performer only!! If the singer asks for a sing-a-long then that's different. This depends on the venue for me. in a soft seat theatre show where listeners have paid an admittance fee it would not be appreciated. In a pub or an outdoor concert, it might be fine. 3. People who stand up in front of you when most people are sitting. Some people are physically unable to stand at a concert and therefore when someone stands up, and stays standing, it makes it difficult for other's to enjoy the concert. I'm not even talking about someone in a wheelchair (who cannot stand at all) but even other people who cannot stand up at a concert. This seems to be a trend. Many concerts where I have paid for a seat, I find that if I want to use it, I have to spend the evening looking at someone's rear end. I've yet to be behind an attractive rear end. The dancing crowd are one of my pet peeves. Some festivals (Winnipeg and Shelter Valley) have places at the side for dancers, so they won't block the view of the audience, but there are other venues where the dancers want to become a part of the show and choose to do their dancing in front of the stage, blocking the view of the audience. At one festival that i attended last year, the M.C. announced to the folks who had been sitting on blankets at the front of the stage,"This next group likes to get the dancing crowd up, so you folks sitting at the front had better move if you don't want to get trampled. As a result, these people lost their prime viewing places and were forced to find a place way at the back of the crowd. |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: John P Date: 30 Jun 11 - 07:45 PM So, you're sitting in a concert and everyone is being quiet and listening to the musicians. A chorus comes along and you start booming it out. Why??? Even if no one else is singing? If you haven't been invited to sing? What about if the musicians want to arrange the chorus differently? What about if they have some beautiful harmonies all worked out and want them to be heard? What if they just don't want people singing along? Do you really think that means they are self-important? If you perform, do you really like people interrupting your performance uninvited? Oh, and I'm really NOT a rule maker. I just think that foisting your voice on a bunch of people who paid to hear someone else's voice is rude. I'm not talking about situations where singing along is expected and part of normal behavior. |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: PHJim Date: 30 Jun 11 - 07:49 PM Next you're gonna tell me not to bring my spoons to the show. |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: John P Date: 30 Jun 11 - 07:59 PM Well, spoons, now . . . I never mind hearing spoons playing along at concerts. Especially on the really quiet songs -- the spoons come through very clear! It's a good point, though. If uninvited singing is OK, why shouldn't I bring my guitar and play along on the choruses? |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: Dave MacKenzie Date: 30 Jun 11 - 08:18 PM I would never invite an audience to join in the chorus - I'd just be very hurt and disappointed if they didn't. |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: GUEST,mg Date: 30 Jun 11 - 11:16 PM If they don't want people singing along they should certainly say so right up front, preferably when the performance is advertised and tickets are sold. Some people will like it. Some won't. To each her own...the musicians are of course free to set it up how they like it but I would assume the default is to sing along in the chorus. Some cultures are more shut up and listen to the singer and some (many Americans) are *** you probably know how inclusive I am of who wants to be an American..join in the nomenclature if you want***...are more "let's sing something we all know" and are more asuming that you will join in. But if you are in your own homegrown culture and that is the norm to join in, then join in unless told not to and then decide if you want to attend a performance under those conditions again. mg |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: John P Date: 01 Jul 11 - 03:16 PM When I'm talking about singing along inappropriately, I'm talking about audience members who start singing when no one else is doing so. I've experienced it several times, and I always come away thinking that these people want to use someone else's concert to display themselves. |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: Bonzo3legs Date: 01 Jul 11 - 03:30 PM Last night I was remastering a recording I downloaded of the Bon Jovi gig at Manchester Old Trafford last Saturday. I was amazed at the amount of talking, mobile phones and general hubbub! |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: Elmore Date: 01 Jul 11 - 03:34 PM When we lived near Cambridge and Boston, ma., everybody used to sing along on choruses.Here in New Hampshire nobody does. I find that rude. |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: fat B****rd Date: 01 Jul 11 - 03:38 PM Slight thread drift. "Sir Peter Maxwell Davies has called for a fine to be imposed on audience members whose mobile phones ring during concerts. His comments follow a concert at the St Magnus Festival, which he runs on the Orkneys, in which at least three mobile phones rang. The Master of the Queen's Music described audience members who use mobile phones as "artistic terrorists". He plans to write to mobile phone companies to enquire about the viability of fines, which he suggests should go to the Musicians' Benevolent Fund. Technology exists to block mobile phone signals from concert halls by lining them with a conductive material to form a Faraday shield. However, the use of such a shield is against the law in the UK as a result of the Wireless Telegraphy Act 2006" |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: olddude Date: 01 Jul 11 - 04:01 PM This is one of the worst, The great Bonnie Raitt doing Angel from Montgomery last year or so live, listen to the crowd Bonnie |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: GUEST,David E. Date: 01 Jul 11 - 08:00 PM "This is one of the worst, The great Bonnie Raitt doing Angel from Montgomery..." How embarrassing. Someone made the comment about that's what happens when people are raised in front of their televisions, so very true. I can tell you however as someone who saw Bonnie in her early years, people listened back then. I do believe that the more popular you become the ruder your audience becomes as well. The fans are out numbered by the "it's something to do" people. David E. |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: Jack Campin Date: 01 Jul 11 - 08:20 PM Technology exists to block mobile phone signals from concert halls by lining them with a conductive material to form a Faraday shield. However, the use of such a shield is against the law in the UK as a result of the Wireless Telegraphy Act 2006 Really? That would make Anderson shelters illegal. |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: Booklynrose Date: 01 Jul 11 - 09:42 PM What about age differences? At our concerts we ask people to turn off phones. We would shush anyone who were to talk during the concert. We worry about not attracting young people, but when I went to a venue that had lots of young people, many of them were talking as if the concert was just background music. Maybe they would not want to sit still and listen as we do???? |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: Tattie Bogle Date: 02 Jul 11 - 07:47 PM Mobile phones even on silent can be a nuisance in concerts: I once sat next to a couple who spent the whole concert texting on their brilliant blue flashing screen: very distracting in a darkened theatre! Why did they bother going, I ask? There does seem to be a sort of inverse proportion law that the more informal the night is perceived to be, the more it's "okay to talk". As for those folk who think it's Ok to get out of their seats, clatter and stamp across a boarded floor, push the door open forcibly, all on their way to the loo IN THE MIDDLE OF A SONG, and do the same in reverse on their way back from it............sadly we now have to ask our MCs to remind folk to wait to the end of a song before entering or leaving (shouldn't have to if they had any manners, sensitivity or consideration for others). On one occasion I was waiting outside the door with my arm across it, only to have it nearly broken by some bad-tempered loud/foul-mouthed drunken woman determined to blast her way back in. As for classical concerts, it seems there's a band of people who now think it's fine to talk all the way through the overture: NO, it's actually part of the performance! |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: GUEST,ivan the tenable Date: 03 Jul 11 - 03:15 AM this thread is full of fuddy duddys. i would put a pound to a penny that concert etiquette is not the only thing you have gripes out. i don't much listen to english folk , just came here through a search but your attitudes seem a world away from the conventions of folk music performance across the world (south america, africa, easetern eurpope etc) where talking, singing and dancing is the norm at concerts. i reckon you lot need to humble yourselves and realise your own quirks and requirements aren't ones that other people should need to concern themselves with. |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: Joe Offer Date: 03 Jul 11 - 03:34 AM Well, Ivan- I suppose it doesn't make a lot of difference if people talk when the music is loud, but English-language folksingers are usually trying to tell a story with their songs. If people can't hear the singer because of background noise, that's a problem. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: goatfell Date: 03 Jul 11 - 04:57 AM I thought you were suppsed to sing at concerts but I agree I hate folk that talk through a oncert just bad manners. |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: GUEST,ivan the tenable Date: 03 Jul 11 - 05:15 AM fair point Joe. |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: stallion Date: 03 Jul 11 - 05:38 AM Oh my, the only time i heard a mobile phone going off when performing was my own! Elmore, get yourself to the shanty sing in the Press room at Portsmouth NH and try to stop people joining in! Of course some people need listening to, we happen to like as many people to join in as possible although a couple of years ago at Mystic i and a couple of others joined in with a chorus and i heard a couple of tuts but I had Ally Kelly to my right and Bonnie Milner to my left the sounds were awesome, ahhhh a truly memorable moment. I think it is part of the raport with the audience, I like to think of it being an extended family gathering. Anyway if we were not all different it would be a boring grey old world |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: GUEST,Grishka Date: 03 Jul 11 - 05:45 AM In defense of my own ancestors from "easetern eurpope etc" I must insist that the art of performing ballad-like songs is known and appreciated there as well. But concerts are not only about singing or virtuoso soloists; a good accompaniment or sophisticated arrangement also deserves an ear. We all agree that various codes of etiquette apply for various styles. The problem is not only about rude audiences, inexperienced concert-goers (whose habits were formed while sitting in front of their TV sets), or conceited performers, but also about "misunderestimating" the character of an event. Good PR management will try to minimise these risks. |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: Rob Naylor Date: 03 Jul 11 - 05:50 AM Sometimes you can shut an audience up just by playing quietly. Here's me at an open mic in Devon: Axminster Open Mic The previous song I'd done included some vigorous strumming and vocals. It's interesting to hear the audience "recalibrate" themselves during this quiet instrumental. The first 40 seconds they're very noisy, but by 50 seconds they're getting quiet, and from about halfway through you can hear a pin drop. I don't think it was my fascinating playing...it's a fairly simple tune, not played with any unusual technical skill, but I think they just shut up when they realised it was a quiet one! |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: Ana Date: 03 Jul 11 - 08:01 AM I'm a singer, and find that people invariably become quite if I sing a song (either unaccompanied or with my partner on an instrument); people will often shush each other. However! if he plays one of his beautiful solo melodic guitar pieces it's often just treated as 'wallpaper'. I suspect listeners are less likely to be a respectful audience to an instrumentalist. Don't now why. |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: Elmore Date: 03 Jul 11 - 10:24 AM Attn: Stallion Thanks for the advice about the Press Room. also, I hear that the maritime festival in Portsmouth is a lot of fun There's some thread creep going on here, but it's good thread creep. |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: stallion Date: 03 Jul 11 - 03:56 PM yes try getting in touch with Charley Noble (mudcat name)aka Charlie Ipcar, Richmond Maine, he knows just about everything going on in your kneck of the woods |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: Richard Bridge Date: 03 Jul 11 - 04:44 PM Bozo - you were doing what? Copyright Designs and Patents Act 1988 as amended. You are a pirate. |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: PHJim Date: 03 Jul 11 - 05:58 PM Some songs invite singing on the chorus and most audiences seem to know where it would be welcome and where it would be intrusive. A song where the performers have worked out an intricate three or four part harmony would not be appropriate songs to have a sing-along chorus. When I am performing solo, I would welcome audience participation on the chorus by people who knew the song, especially if they can add a harmony. Sometimes the audience members might know the chorus by the time it comes around the second time and sometimes I will outline it for them before the song. |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: Hesk Date: 03 Jul 11 - 07:11 PM Tattie Bogle, I can see where you are coming from when you express annoyance at people leaving and entering the room whilst a performance is in progress. At our singaround it is, normally acceptable to return during a song, especially in bad weather, as the club room leads directly outdoors. A hurried, but quiet, return enables one more person to join in the remaining choruses. This is especially useful on a poorly attended night. Personally I get more annoyed when I notice a member always choosing to leave just before their least favourite singer performs. In this case they never return during the song, thus emphasising their dislike of that particular performance. That is also bad manners, in my opinion |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: Tattie Bogle Date: 03 Jul 11 - 07:33 PM Hesk, I was not talking about singarounds, but concerts or folk club guest nights, where moving bodies and the kerfuffle they create (climbing out of the middle of a row of seats, noisy shoes, creaky or banging doors) is very intrusive. I agree that the situation in singarounds is a bit more informal but would still probably wait until the end of a song or tune before heading for the loo: and we'd usually take a short break for re-filling glasses, emptying bladders, anyway. I would also echo what Ana has said about people talking through instrumentals: seems there's a double standard at work there. At one of our mixed sessions, an instrumentalist stopped playing and berated the singers for doing just this: "you wouldn't like me to talk all the way through one of your songs, would you?" |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: Leadfingers Date: 03 Jul 11 - 07:37 PM 100 |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: goatfell Date: 08 Jul 11 - 12:50 PM and if you don't like people sing at concert then don't go. I don't like people that DON'T sing at concert but that is their choice. |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: Silas Date: 08 Jul 11 - 01:16 PM Hesk, I have to disagree. If there is a performer that you don't want to hear, I think it perfectly acceptable to leave the room. |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: jacqui.c Date: 08 Jul 11 - 02:38 PM At one Folk singaround that I used to attend there were a small group who spent the time when others were singing just chatting and laughing amongst themselves, while sitting within the group. They had a very limited number of songs that they would perform week after week, none of which could really be said to be folk, and obviously weren't interested in folk music. I eventually got into the habit of using the time when they were performing to go the the loo or order drinks at the bar. This upset them to the degree that they gave the club organiser an ultimatum - she goes or we won't come again. I continued to go to that session but they, unfortunately, didn't carry out their threat. |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: YorkshireYankee Date: 08 Jul 11 - 04:44 PM Once went to a session (not in the Sheffield area -- I was on holiday in the south of England) where folks who were not performing used the time to tune their instruments or practice their chops. They were doing so quietly, but it was a small group in a small area and it was impossible not to hear what they were doing while others performed -- and they were so near by that it really did make it difficult to listen properly to whoever's turn it was. I was a bit gob-smacked & thought it incredibly rude, but said nothing, since I was just a visitor... |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: Hesk Date: 08 Jul 11 - 05:16 PM Silas, Not really a disagreement, but a confirmation that this happens. Take the scenario to it's extreme, and the least accomplished singer at a singaround could find themselves performing to an empty room! Hardly encouraging amongst a group of friends. |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: Silas Date: 09 Jul 11 - 04:14 AM Well Hesk, if that were to happen, the 'least accomplished' singer sould be asking themselves some searching questions... |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: Hesk Date: 09 Jul 11 - 04:24 AM Silas, I knew you'd say that! But someone has to be the least accomplished singer in a group, if only to make the others feel better! |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: GUEST, topsie Date: 09 Jul 11 - 05:38 AM I was once at a concert at the arena at Sidmouth quite near the front, when someone who knew me came and sat beside me. She talked loudly through most of the concert, then turned on the people behind us and demanded that they be quiet, as she had come to hear the concert, not to listen to them talking. |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: GUEST Date: 09 Jul 11 - 10:47 AM I was on at one club when I asked the sound man if he could hear an echo (I had asked for the echo to be turned off before I went on) he scowled and stomped off to the toilet next to the stage and punched a poor guy practicing in the cubicle, the scream clearly audible to all present, he returned and declared "the echo has now been removed" It really was not what I meant! |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: GUEST,Guest - Lin Date: 09 Jul 11 - 03:51 PM To Tattie Bogle who posted a message on 02, July 11 at 07:47 PM Re: Mobile Phones/Texting: I read an interesting article in The Los Angeles Times today, July 09, 2011 by writer Nina Metz. Article is titled, "Texting is a silent intruder in theaters." It's a good and informative article and to quote one thing she wrote, "Those little LED screens can break the spell in a darkened theater, and it doesn't matter that you're not making a sound. Anything intrusive is a noise and the light is intrusive." She talks about the "compulsion" of people doing this, etc. I wanted to mention this article to you because you did talk about texting at clubs, etc. The article primarily mentions theaters but mentions concerts as well where this is happening. Oh by the way, I agree with what you had to say completely. I hope you have a way to access this article in the Los Angeles Times, July 9, 2011. I get the paper delivered so not sure if the article is available online or not. |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: GUEST,mayomick Date: 09 Jul 11 - 04:32 PM I had to ask the people behind the bar to turn down the piped music they were playing before a pub session a few weeks ago .They did turn it down but not off . All the way through the performance the Eurovision song contest was showing on the televisions that the pub has on every wall . Between songs I could still hear the televisions going. I think I was the only one bothered though. |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: olddude Date: 09 Jul 11 - 04:46 PM Last night at 6 the owner of a restaurant asked me if I would do a couple of songs at the outdoor tiki bar while people wait for their table. Well since he is a friend I said sure and came down. Perfect, people listening enjoying the music beautiful setting next to the lake. Most of them young people. Then four people walk in (age in their 50's) walk right next to me and start yaking and laughing and carrying on a loud conversation. Now there was a lot of room to do that, they had no reason other than incredibly rude to walk right in front of me a couple of feet while I am playing and start their laughing and talking. I got pissed, packed up and left .. I won't do it again |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: Joe Offer Date: 09 Jul 11 - 07:43 PM Martin Ryan took me to a singers' session in Dublin, within sight of the Guinness Brewery. This was several years ago, and I think Frank Harte was one of the singers. Most of the singers were older men, and few had voices that were very strong - but their singing was wonderful, and I wanted to hear every word. Unfortunately, I couldn't hear the singing very well. The Guinness neighborhood has become gentrified, and the pub was full of Young Urban Professionals who had no interest in traditional singing. The bar noise drowned out the session, and I could hardly hear anything above the din. Now, I suppose I have to admit that I have a hearing loss, which makes it well-nigh impossible to distinguish multiple sounds. If there's conversation going on during singing, all I hear is a scramble of sound. It's very frustrating. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: Will Fly Date: 10 Jul 11 - 04:53 AM Horses for courses, isn't it, as ripov set it out a few posts ago. At formal concerts where I've been playing, I've rarely suffered from audience noise. On the odd occasion when someone has been noisy, I've found - just like Liszt - that stopping playing was the most effective way of getting complete attention. On the other hand, if I'm playing in a public bar to a mixture of people who've come for the music and those who've come as usual for the drink and the 'craic', I accept that background noise is par for the course - and play on regardless. And of course if you run a session for yourselves in a public bar, don't be offended if the locals chat away throughout - it's your choice to play for nothing in a public bar. As for heckling, well... there are plenty of good put-downs that you can learn and use as required. I've only cut up rough once in over 45 years of playing, many years ago - when I was playing an intricate guitar piece at a singaround. Two other members of the circle were chatting to each other throughout, to the annoyance of all concerned. I stopped playing and, when they looked at me, said very calmly and slowly, "Shut the fuck up while I'm playing." THAT worked... but I was young and fiery in those days. |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: GUEST,pete from seven stars link Date: 10 Jul 11 - 12:41 PM assuming the least accomplished is respecting all the other performers when they sing/play,i like to return the favour,remembering that i at least was not a naturally blessed talent but have had to work hard at it. of course,i hope the said participants are aiming for greater proficiency;there being some, admittedly, who cant be bothered to pra ctise at all. |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: olddude Date: 10 Jul 11 - 12:59 PM I like playing at my local park. I just sit on the bench and practice and it gets me out of the house and doesn't drive my wife nuts. She is not a fan of folk music ... Loud head banging rock is her taste. People will come over sit and listen .. those that want to talk just walk on and don't bother ... works for me. .. free is free .. better than sitting at a tiki bar. That I enjoy and usually lots of people will sit and listen and enjoy it. Funny thing, most are young people. One high school kids went home and came back with his guitar. He was pretty good too, played along with a couple of my songs. |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: Hesk Date: 10 Jul 11 - 03:36 PM Pete from Seven Stars. I agree with your post. Well said. |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: Amergin Date: 10 Jul 11 - 03:56 PM If you watch this clip for a couple minutes or so, you can see how one of our own deals with both a woman answering her mobile, and a young heckler... answering the phone at a concert |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: olddude Date: 10 Jul 11 - 04:09 PM Amergin That is priceless ... OMG ... Seamus is a master ... how he can work a crowd and so quick on his feet ... what a master entertainer .. LOVE IT |
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Subject: RE: People who talk during concerts From: GUEST,pete from seven stars link Date: 11 Jul 11 - 03:06 PM thanks hesk. olddude-i,ve thought of that but not done it as yet.i,m assuming you,re USA.Dont know about the reserved english?. |
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