Subject: RE: BS: Sloppy Pronunciation From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 30 Jul 11 - 04:01 PM But though Cambridge us pronounced with the long vowel a, the Cam is pronounced with the short vowel. All neatly worked out to fool the visitors... |
Subject: RE: BS: Sloppy Pronunciation From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 30 Jul 11 - 03:04 PM Quite a list! No quarrel with most, but dictionaries permit alternate pronunciations of a few, since a clear 'winner' cannot be selected.. ginsing = jin sing or jin seng an alternate in Webster's Collegiate. Weigela is a plant often labeled Weigelia in the nursery stocks, so mispronunciation is understandable. I have a plant of that genus in my garden, and the label had the '-ia'. Sherbet, alternate spelling sherbert. The latter is almost universal in North America. Sorbet is either sorba or sorbet. Why 'sherba' was not retained, I don't know. reservoir- reser vwah or reser voy both are accepted. sandwich- the 'd' is optional; Merriam Webster's Collegiate also has 'sam-' since it is widespread. Dunno how the Earl pronounced it. memorabilia- alternate -'ibelia' accepted. Foreign words understandably are commonly mispronounced. Who would not be stumped by Oliejuwun(sp.?) ? |
Subject: RE: BS: Sloppy Pronunciation From: Tiger Date: 29 Jul 11 - 06:55 PM Been working on my own personal list for a while, naturally titled "Mispronounciations": accessories a-sessories accreditation accredi-dation across acrost amateur am-a-choor, am-a-cher asterisk asterick Atlanta uh-lanta Auld Lang Syne Old ... au revoir ori-vwah Auschwitz ouse-wich basketball bas-kuh-ball Belichick Beli-check bureaucracy brur-ocracy bouquet bo-kay carafe ca-raft caramel carm'l cavalry calvary Chambord Chamborg congratulations congradulations customers custa-mizz dandelion dandy-lion dilapidated dilapitated drawer draw drawing dror-ing error air escape ec-scape, ex-cape et cetera ec-setra, ex-etera excerpt ex-erp February Feb-yoo-ary five dollars fi-dollars foliage fo-lage forebears forebearers ginseng gensing graph graft hundred hun-drit, hunnert hypnotize hip-matize immediately eee-mediately infrastructure in-fa-structure important im-por-dant inauguration in-auger-ation jewelry jew-le-ry joists joyces judiciary ju-dish-er-ary kindergarten kindy-garden kudos (usage) 1 kudo, 2 kudos lackadaisical lax-adaisical lantern lan-trin library li-bary loam loom Marlboro mar-bro mascarpone marscapone masonry mason-ary mayonnaise mann-aze memento momento memorabilia memora-bee-lia meteorologist meter-ologist Milwaukee Muh-wokee mirror mirr-a Mutombo ma-tumbo nuclear nuc-u-lar Olajuwan el-eye-ji-wan orange juice orran-joos Oregon orra-gonn orient orientate our are percent pa-sent' percolate perc-u-late picture pitcher poinsettia poinsetta, point-settia prerogative per-ogative prescription piss-crip-shun probably prob-ly pronounce pronunciate pundit pundint realtor real-i-tor recognize rec-a-nize reservoir reser-vwah, reser-voy restaurateur res-tur-an-toor rhododendron rhododendrum Rutgers rukkers sandwich san-wich, sammich Saturday sare-di scarlet tanager scarlet tananger Semitic suh-mett-ic sherbet sherbert social security so-sha-curity sophomore sof-more, south-more subsidiary sub-sidder-ary Sylvania suh-vane-ya Syracuse sare-a-cyoos tack tact temperature temp-a-chur tenet tenant verbiage verb-ij veterinarian vet-i-narian vinaigrette vinegar-ette vodka vokka W dubba-you, dub-ya warranty warrantee Washington DC Washing DC weigela wy-gee-lia wholesale ho-sale Wimbledon Wimbleton |
Subject: RE: BS: Sloppy Pronunciation From: PoppaGator Date: 29 Jul 11 - 05:34 PM "that mime of making quote marks [inverted commas] in the air as you speak" The usual terminology is "air-quotes." |
Subject: RE: BS: Sloppy Pronunciation From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 29 Jul 11 - 03:14 PM Noo York-New York The many people of non-UK origin in New York and elsewhere use 'oo' for the letter 'u', hence the common Noo York. Raised in a largely Spanish-speaking city in the Southwest, I seldom heard the 'yew' as in 'phew'. Show 'phew' to a Spaniard and he might hesitantly come out with 'phoo'. The vowels are 'ah ay ee oh oo' in most European languages. Italians who have lost their native language may lose the Italian usage of 'ce' and 'ci', hence there is another variant where 'cc' changes to 'k'. There are many such variants, not just from the Italian. Eastern European names ending in 'c' lose the 'sh' sound and often change it to 'k'. |
Subject: RE: BS: Sloppy Pronunciation From: Bettynh Date: 29 Jul 11 - 12:32 PM Unaccountably, it sometimes applies to people's pronunciation of their own names. Here in NH where half the population used to speak French, Italian words and names seem to suffer worst. I'm still befuddled by the person, named DiCicco (a rather common Italian name where I grew up and pronounced da-cheek-o) insisted that I pronounce her name de-siss-o. Are they exhausted by others' constant mispronunciation and just give in? How do they pronounce ciao? |
Subject: RE: BS: Sloppy Pronunciation From: Dave Hanson Date: 29 Jul 11 - 10:07 AM Noo York Noo York, so bad I mispronounced it twice. Even when I eas a child I cringed everytime someone said ' reservoy ' instead of reservoir. Dave H |
Subject: RE: BS: Sloppy Pronunciation From: Jim Dixon Date: 29 Jul 11 - 09:38 AM I seldom hear these words pronounced as a full 4 syllables (and I don't pronounce them that way, either): comfortable – comfter'ble temperature – temp'rature interesting – int'resting |
Subject: RE: BS: Sloppy Pronunciation From: Bert Date: 29 Jul 11 - 08:17 AM Then there is the sloppy pronunciation that can change the meaning of a word. Kilo-meter means a thousand meters Kil-ometer would be a device that measures kils |
Subject: RE: BS: Sloppy Pronunciation From: Bert Date: 25 Jul 11 - 08:36 PM Pronunciation varies regionally. What is normal in one area could be considered sloppy in another. Which is a good thing, otherwise we'd all be speaking Cockney. |
Subject: RE: BS: Sloppy Pronunciation From: autolycus Date: 25 Jul 11 - 04:30 PM Q, I think that would not count as sloppy. Imo. |
Subject: RE: BS: Sloppy Pronunciation From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 25 Jul 11 - 03:46 PM Not Feb-brew-ry? |
Subject: RE: BS: Sloppy Pronunciation From: autolycus Date: 25 Jul 11 - 05:11 AM That takes us back to base one; sloppy pronunciation. And I say it too. Just not Feb-you-ary. |
Subject: RE: BS: Sloppy Pronunciation From: Steve Shaw Date: 24 Jul 11 - 08:11 PM So not Febry then? Damn. |
Subject: RE: BS: Sloppy Pronunciation From: autolycus Date: 24 Jul 11 - 08:06 PM I always thought it was Baal in Switzerland. Suddenly it's Basil. Really don't like Brits saying 'skedyule' and 'h-rass' and 'ree-search'; it's 'shedyule', 'harr-rs' and 'r'search'. And the weekday is pronounced 'wens-day'. And it's 'Feb-rue-ary', not 'Febyou-ary'. |
Subject: RE: BS: Sloppy Pronunciation From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 24 Jul 11 - 02:39 PM Globalization, I think, is leading to the 'approximate' pronunciations. It has been years since I heard Marseilles pronounced as Marsales, it is always 'Mar-say'. We pick up the usage of newscasters. Venice is still Venice, but Lyons is 'Leon'. Rome and Naples are kept, but it is Napoli in the Neopolitan songs. My latest atlas has city names in the Anglicized form of the native spelling. Tiensin is gone, and the new form is there (would have to look, probably something unrecognizable), only sometimes followed by the English usage. Thus Venezia and Firenze arein large letters, with Venice and Florence in small letters requiring the magnifying glass (National Geographic Atlas, I don't know about those printed in UK). |
Subject: RE: BS: Sloppy Pronunciation From: MGM·Lion Date: 24 Jul 11 - 09:36 AM ===I remember when the French cities were pronounced by the English as 'Mar-sales' & 'Lions', but of late years approximations of the French pronunciation have become standard, tho with the final 's' often retained in their spelling; but still only the affected or facetious say 'Paree'. The same inconsistency applies to other foreign words like 'Beaujolais" [conventionally pronounced French-style] & 'Champagne' [anglicised]. And do you, yourself, say 'mayo-naze' or my-o-nezz'?=== I repeat this from above, having just scrolled thru the thread again, because it reminds me of another change/inconsistency re names {tho not necessarily involving pronunciation so hope this not too much of a drift} relating to foreign towns which have different names in English. e.g., Italian Firenze has always been, & STILL IS, English Florence; whereas the Italian city we used to call Leghorn is now more usually called by its Italian name Livorno. Rome is still not Roma nor Naples Napoli nor Venice Venezia, however. Odd IMO. ~M~ |
Subject: RE: BS: Sloppy Pronunciation From: Steve Shaw Date: 24 Jul 11 - 06:42 AM I think we've had newqueuelar, ish. |
Subject: RE: BS: Sloppy Pronunciation From: EBarnacle Date: 23 Jul 11 - 09:56 PM I am truly amazed that avenue and avenoo have not previously made it to this thread. Ditto nuclar and nuclear. |
Subject: RE: BS: Sloppy Pronunciation From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 23 Jul 11 - 02:17 PM wh and th are handled differently on the continent and in UK, and as globalism proceeds, with the spread of 'globish', the distinctions are lost. CON-tro versy is preferred in North America, while con-TROV ersy is heard on BBC and in interviews with people from the UK. A few years, and preference probably will change. |
Subject: RE: BS: Sloppy Pronunciation From: Dave MacKenzie Date: 23 Jul 11 - 06:32 AM For me, the sloppiest pronunciation comes from the South of England, where the letter 'R' is only pronounced where it is not written, and, as an eminent philologist recently remarked, we are rapidly reaching a stage where the only vowel is 'ai', so that white and weight are pronounced identically (there's also no longer any differentiation between 'wh' and 'w'). |
Subject: RE: BS: Sloppy Pronunciation From: Steve Shaw Date: 23 Jul 11 - 04:31 AM Ah, it's good to see this thread revived after a tempery lull. |
Subject: RE: BS: Sloppy Pronunciation From: MGM·Lion Date: 23 Jul 11 - 12:59 AM As I mentioned above re -shire, many pronunciations are optional. There is a useful Longman's Pronuciation Dictionary [if you find such things useful!] giving result of surveys into, e.g., what %ages said CONTroversy or conTROVersy: and even records variations over time, as in '20 years ago 27% said A rather than B, but that has now risen to 48%'. ~M~ |
Subject: RE: BS: Sloppy Pronunciation From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 22 Jul 11 - 06:29 PM Vinegarette. Clarification of a foreign word. Vinegars cause severe upset to my stomach. I haven't heard it, so the restaurant is not in my area. I sometimes have to argue with a server in a restaurant when I ask for only olive oil on a salad. On a sandwich? A restaurant to be avoided ! |
Subject: RE: BS: Sloppy Pronunciation From: Jim Dixon Date: 22 Jul 11 - 06:14 PM I've just seen, for maybe the third time, a commercial on TV for a fast-food restaurant chain. They mention that a certain sandwich is topped with "vinegarette" dressing. Now, is this a conscious attempt to anglicize a French word, or just ignorance? One never knows, do one? |
Subject: RE: BS: Sloppy Pronunciation From: Smokey. Date: 12 Jul 11 - 09:56 PM They just do it to annoy me, Dave. |
Subject: RE: BS: Sloppy Pronunciation From: Dave MacKenzie Date: 12 Jul 11 - 04:38 AM "that mime of making quote marks [inverted commas] in the air as you speak" I always wondered why people were doing these impressions of large rodents. |
Subject: RE: BS: Sloppy Pronunciation From: Smokey. Date: 11 Jul 11 - 06:53 PM Not forgetting their charridy work.. Smokey? It is a bit irritating, I suppose, but hardly deserves flogging: unless, of course, you just like flogging people, in which case, I suppose, any excuse... Indeed, MtheGM :-) |
Subject: RE: BS: Sloppy Pronunciation From: Steve Shaw Date: 11 Jul 11 - 07:15 AM And those Radio 2 and Classic FM DJs who are always trying to get you to enter their compeditions. |
Subject: RE: BS: Sloppy Pronunciation From: Michael Date: 11 Jul 11 - 05:23 AM And whilst we are at it 'My bike's got a pumpture.' Unless it anticipates what will be required after the repair. And another, I even heard it on Radio 4 the other day; 'Somethink' Mike |
Subject: RE: BS: Sloppy Pronunciation From: GUEST, topsie Date: 11 Jul 11 - 04:15 AM If that is what he means, I can say that I don't find it in the least annoying, but I don't think I have ever done it myself, so that's alright. (I would use words to indicate that I am quoting, such as "so-called".) |
Subject: RE: BS: Sloppy Pronunciation From: MGM·Lion Date: 11 Jul 11 - 03:18 AM I take it Smokey was referring to that mime of making quote marks [inverted commas] in the air as you speak to indicate that you are speaking in some way emphatically or metaphorically ~ right, Smokey? It is a bit irritating, I suppose, but hardly deserves flogging: unless, of course, you just like flogging people, in which case, I suppose, any excuse... ~M~ |
Subject: RE: BS: Sloppy Pronunciation From: GUEST, topsie Date: 11 Jul 11 - 02:44 AM Smokey - I can think of lots of things people do with their fingers, and a few of them could be annoying, but I really don't know what it is that annoys you so much. Could you explain? [Maybe it's something I do without knowing that I might be annoying people.] |
Subject: RE: BS: Sloppy Pronunciation From: GUEST,Blind DRunk in Blind River Date: 11 Jul 11 - 12:34 AM The flippin' WERST are these pertendious flipheads who keep puttin' a extra "R" in the wrong flipping place in the word "liberry". Whatta buncha flippin' RETREADS them peeple are! And they flippin' do it with Febyuary too! Not to menshun "Artic" where they get the flippin' "C" in the wrong flippin' place! Did any of these peeple even get thruou Grade 5? - Shane |
Subject: RE: BS: Sloppy Pronunciation From: Gurney Date: 11 Jul 11 - 12:22 AM Or breakfast? |
Subject: RE: BS: Sloppy Pronunciation From: Ebbie Date: 10 Jul 11 - 10:40 PM Insert 's'. |
Subject: RE: BS: Sloppy Pronunciation From: Ebbie Date: 10 Jul 11 - 10:16 PM But how does one pronounce Wedneday? |
Subject: RE: BS: Sloppy Pronunciation From: Smokey. Date: 10 Jul 11 - 08:55 PM Anyway, Baggins i'nt scotch, it's obbit |
Subject: RE: BS: Sloppy Pronunciation From: Smokey. Date: 10 Jul 11 - 08:53 PM I raze my hat. |
Subject: RE: BS: Sloppy Pronunciation From: Steve Shaw Date: 10 Jul 11 - 08:48 PM Nah, she were Scotch I reckon. |
Subject: RE: BS: Sloppy Pronunciation From: Smokey. Date: 10 Jul 11 - 08:39 PM Nah, she were that Irish singer. |
Subject: RE: BS: Sloppy Pronunciation From: Steve Shaw Date: 10 Jul 11 - 08:24 PM Yes, he was an amazing phenomena. |
Subject: RE: BS: Sloppy Pronunciation From: Smokey. Date: 10 Jul 11 - 08:01 PM Didn't he circumcise the glob? |
Subject: RE: BS: Sloppy Pronunciation From: Steve Shaw Date: 10 Jul 11 - 07:46 PM Sir Frauncis Chishhhter |
Subject: RE: BS: Sloppy Pronunciation From: JennieG Date: 10 Jul 11 - 06:05 PM And poker dots.....when all this time I thought it was polka dots...... You can dance the polka, but I don't know about dancing the poker. Cheers JennieG |
Subject: RE: BS: Sloppy Pronunciation From: Rusty Dobro Date: 10 Jul 11 - 06:04 PM I hate 'haitch' with a passion, but there is a (very) slight excuse in that it is the only name of a letter which does not include the sound of the letter itself (I think). Also, isn't there some history of 'haitch' being the Irish Catholic pronunciation, 'aitch' the Protestant? I still hate 'haitch', though. |
Subject: RE: BS: Sloppy Pronunciation From: GUEST,Steamin' Willie Date: 10 Jul 11 - 02:06 PM Yeah, started as a volunteer on a hospital radio and it went from there really. Mobile stuff in the main but got as far as a bit of freelance work for ILR stations. Incidentally, the hospital radio bit started my interest in healthcare which is why since selling up my business interests, I ended up chairing an NHS trust and interfering in regulation of healthcare now. I too go up at the end of a sentence if I am posing a question. I don't use it however at the end of every ruddy sentence, as it signifies I don't think the other person understands what I am saying. Too many Aussie soap operas on the box, I reckon that's the problem there... The DJ bit that M'Unlearned friend and I are rattling on about is perhaps relevant here. Thinking about what you are saying as a teenager on a voluntary radio station does help you in future life. As I was working down the pit at the time, my language might have been different to what it is now. I certainly wouldn't have the credibility down Whitehall that I need and at the risk of sounding elitist I am convinced that sloppy speech is a barrier to getting on in many areas of work. |
Subject: RE: BS: Sloppy Pronunciation From: MGM·Lion Date: 10 Jul 11 - 11:02 AM I meant 3 CONSONANTS: dash it. Don't pretend you didn't know what I meant. |
Subject: RE: BS: Sloppy Pronunciation From: MGM·Lion Date: 10 Jul 11 - 11:00 AM An anomaly of pronunciation [tho not a sloppiness] is, I am reminded by what I wrote about 'shire' above, is the name of the place where I live. A vowel, to be lengthened in English spelling, needs to be followed by only one consonant followed by a vowel; which is what changes e.g. 'cam' into 'came' [tho this not consistent: v 'camera']. But in Cambridge, the 1st vowel is followed by, not 1, not 2; but 3 vowels. So it can't possible be pronounced long. Except that it is. ~M~ |
Subject: RE: BS: Sloppy Pronunciation From: Smokey. Date: 10 Jul 11 - 10:53 AM Slightly off-topic, but what really annoys me is that "thing" that "people" do with their "fingers".. Flogging's too good for 'em. |