BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp

Subject: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: SINSULL
Date: 22 Jul 11 - 02:03 PM

What a nightmare. Reports are of multiple deaths at both locations and people trapped in buildings in downtown Oslo.

Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: ranger1
Date: 22 Jul 11 - 02:06 PM

Two deaths in the bombing, five injuries at the camp.

Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Rapparee
Date: 22 Jul 11 - 02:32 PM

Seven in the bombings, and the police have the shooter in custody -- he was wearing a police uniform.

Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: maeve
Date: 22 Jul 11 - 02:37 PM

Here's a link- Oslo bomb/shootings

Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Rapparee
Date: 22 Jul 11 - 02:53 PM

The BBC is reporting that witness saw "20-25 bodies" on the shore of the lake where the youth camp shooting occurred.

Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: pdq
Date: 22 Jul 11 - 02:55 PM

It appears that Islam does not recognize Norway's right to exist.

Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Rapparee
Date: 22 Jul 11 - 02:58 PM

I haven't heard or seen any reports about who or what did the attacks. No information, no judgements. Norwegian police say that there has not been any "claim of responsibility" yet.

Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: bassen
Date: 22 Jul 11 - 03:01 PM

So many GSWs from the youth camp that hospitals in southeastern Norway have called for type O blood donors.

Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 22 Jul 11 - 03:07 PM

1.5 Billion Muslims, before any "claim of responsibility" pdq blames all of Islam.

Who says right wing media does no harm?

Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: bassen
Date: 22 Jul 11 - 03:07 PM

Footage from right after the bomb blast here

Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 22 Jul 11 - 03:09 PM

There are actually claims:

A terror group, Ansar al-Jihad al-Alami (the Helpers of the Global Jihad), issued a statement claiming responsibility for the attack, according to Will McCants, a terrorism analyst at CNA, a research institute that studies terrorism. The message said the attack was a response to Norwegian forces' presence in Afghanistan and to unspecified insults to the Prophet Muhammad. "We have warned since the Stockholm raid of more operations," the group said, apparently referred to a bombing in Sweden in December 2010, according to Mr McCants' translation. "What you see is only the beginning, and there is more to come." The claim could not be confirmed.

- copied from live reporting in the Guardian.

To say

'that Islam does not recognize Norway's right to exist'.

is ofcourse simplistic bloody nonsense.

Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: bobad
Date: 22 Jul 11 - 03:11 PM

Fucking extremists.

Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: OldPossum
Date: 22 Jul 11 - 04:08 PM

It is reported that the man doing the shooting on the island has also been seen near the site of the bomb blast. He is described as a tall blond Scandinavian type, who speaks with a dialect from Eastern Norway.

Let us not jump to any conclusions, but await further information.

Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Amergin
Date: 22 Jul 11 - 05:35 PM

It was a Labour Party youth camp...the shooter was a Norwegian man dressed in a police uniform...according to the BBC, authorities are thinking the attack is politically motivated, instead of religious.

Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: katlaughing
Date: 22 Jul 11 - 05:39 PM

My thoughts and support go out to all of the injured, their families and those others involved in this tragedy, but esp. to Skarpi, one of our own. May he and his family be safe.

Before pointing any fingers it would be good to get all of the available facts. Whomever is responsible will be dealt with, I am sure.

May Peace Prevail on Earth,

kat

Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Rapparee
Date: 22 Jul 11 - 05:59 PM

I greatly wish that people could find something to do with their time besides harming other people.

Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: skarpi
Date: 22 Jul 11 - 06:10 PM

seems to me that the Muslim are attacking the old viking s , well I say this attack on Norway is an attack on Iceland ..we are from Norway so
just blew the old Viking horns and we´ll weapon up and clean up the
Scandinavia from this beast .

all the best Skarpi but again not all Muslim are bad , we may never
forget that .

Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: SINSULL
Date: 22 Jul 11 - 06:17 PM

Right now, my thoughts go out to the people harmed in both attacks and their families. If this is anything like September 11, many are still trying to locate loved ones. The young people who were attacked at the camp are terrified of the police - given they were attacked by a policeman. Very well thought out attack.
Stupid as well. Those young people are the likeliest hope of future understanding and acceptance.

So very sad.

Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 22 Jul 11 - 06:18 PM

It's early days and few facts, but this is starting to sound more like Tim McVeigh than Bin Laden.

Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: skarpi
Date: 22 Jul 11 - 06:33 PM

well I am angry , but also my thoughts are with them all , I have have friends there and I hope they are ok .

Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: SINSULL
Date: 22 Jul 11 - 06:40 PM

It seems the bomber is a local man. His motives will come out over the next few days. I am sure.
I am not angry, skarpi. Just sad. I am sick of reading about babies microwaved to death, mothers and fathers murdered in senseless attacks, people starving while others die of obesity.
I think I am getting odd in my dotage.
FUCK that! I think I am right.

Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: skarpi
Date: 22 Jul 11 - 06:59 PM

Local ? yes he may be local does not mean is not foreign ...he may have lived for many years in Norway ...

yes , there are things going on in this world everyday that are sad .

we the human are killing our self slowly hour by hour ..until we all die
strange to see this evil predator wipe it self out of this world .

thoughts and pray over the ocean , my friends are ok ..

kv Skarpi

Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Rapparee
Date: 22 Jul 11 - 08:59 PM

A "police source" told the Associated Press that this appears to be a home-grown terrorist attack by one man. Also, a bomb has been found in the Camp and is being deactivated by the police and the Army.

Nobody knows anything yet, really. The death toll is at 17 and expected to rise.

Skarpi, I hope that everyone is well and this greatly saddens me.

Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: AllisonA(Animaterra)
Date: 22 Jul 11 - 09:15 PM

Love to you, Skarpi, and to those in Oslo and at the youth labour camp.

And to echo Kat, May peace prevail on earth.

Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: ChanteyLass
Date: 22 Jul 11 - 10:08 PM

I agree with AllisonA(Animaterra).

Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: MarkS
Date: 22 Jul 11 - 11:09 PM

Turns out the guys name is Anders Behring Breivik.
Said to be a 37yo 6" tall blond Norwegian.
Current reports claim no connection to muslim jihad, in spite of some jihadist groups taking credit on their web sites.

Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Rapparee
Date: 22 Jul 11 - 11:23 PM

The Associated Press is reported 7 dead in Oslo and at least 80 at the Camp. The police are saying that the man acted alone.

This is sickening. My heart goes out to the people of Norway.

Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Mrrzy
Date: 22 Jul 11 - 11:31 PM

I'm horrified and shocked on their behalf, and a large part of me is immensely relieved that it wasn't Al Q'aeda or their ilk, which I feared with the two fairly simultaneous attacks... Somehow this makes it a horrible aberration and not yet another horrible attack from the same amorphous enemy... and I feel bad for feeling any relief in the face of their tragedy.

I wish I could express that this does not detract from awful anguishing loss-cum-affront a la 9/11. This is a huge event far out of proportion to the number of dead for such a civilized nation, no?

And the gunman (note, +gun man, how did that happen in Norway, you can't exactly find one at every street corner) is still alive, so we may actually find out what he was thinking, or if.

Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: MarkS
Date: 22 Jul 11 - 11:37 PM

Apparantly the guy is in custody. I suspect we will be getting details about motive and opportunity over the next few days.

Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: bfdk
Date: 23 Jul 11 - 02:27 AM

This is just plain horrible, I lack words. When I went to bed last night the reports from Utøya were already speaking of 25-30 dead, but when I got up this morning it's now 'at least 80'..

This is the man held by police for questioning about the bombing in Oslo and the shooting on the island of Utøya. The article states that he's lived right outside of Oslo all his life and a friend of his is quoted as saying he turned right radical in his late 20s. Hitherto unknown by the police except for a minor traffic violation some years back.

Reportedly, there were about 560 young people on the island at the time of the shooting, and a search is still going on on Utøya and in the lake surrounding the island. I have been unable to find a figure saying how many young people are still unaccounted for.

Incomprehensible!

Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 23 Jul 11 - 02:55 AM

80 dead in the shooting, according to the New York Times. What a horrible, horrible day.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: bassen
Date: 23 Jul 11 - 03:22 AM

Police press conference now saying 84 confirmed dead, water around the island being searched by divers. Flags to fly at half mast today.

The perpetrator describes himself as a Christian fundamentalist on websites "One man with beliefs is worth 100 000 with interests" - his own words. A sad day for my country.

Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Penny S.
Date: 23 Jul 11 - 03:30 AM

Not any sort of Christian I recognise, even among the ones I don't like. Not very pagan Viking either - very heroic to take an automatic weapon to unarmed children.

The really chilling thing is the way he shot all the fallen bodies in the head with a shot gun, to make sure that no-one was faking dead - which some were.

This wasn't political, and certainly not religious. He looks very like a psychopath.

Penny

Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: billybob
Date: 23 Jul 11 - 04:49 AM

So sad, lighting a candle, for my friends in Oslo I send all my love.
Wendy

Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 23 Jul 11 - 05:00 AM

It's at times like this that we need to think carefully about what terrorism is all about. When terrorists brutally kill and maim people, those deaths and injuries are, to the terrorists 'merely incidental' and 'just' a means to an end (let me hasten to add that, to people like you and me, they are foul crimes). What the terrorists hope to achieve is a gross over-reaction and a de-stabilisation of a whole society. We should not forget that when Al-Quaeda attacked the USA in September 2001 they got just the reaction that they had been hoping for. Up to now the US Government has spent around $4 trillion (!) on two futile wars and this will impact severely on its future prospects as a world power.

Before pdq even knew who was responsible for the carnage in Norway he felt moved to write: "It appears that Islam does not recognize Norway's right to exist." Thus playing straight into Osama's dead hands! pdq you're an idiot!

I hope and pray that the people of Norway have more sense. I also extend to them my deepest sympathy at this dreadful point in their history.

Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Penny S.
Date: 23 Jul 11 - 05:26 AM

BBC News has just had someone point out that the children were from all over the country, and so the impact, had he killed more on the island, would have been nationwide. It will be widespread as it is.

"Deliberately designed to spread fear and so political change."

Penny

Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Penny S.
Date: 23 Jul 11 - 05:31 AM

Eyewitnesses on the island now report two gunmen, not confirmed by police.

This would explain why one witness felt relief at the appearance of the one in disguise, if there had already been shots elsewhere.

If he was also in police uniform, he could have got off without being noticed.

I have just been reading Terry Pratchett's Carpe Jugulum - Granny Weatherwax defines evil as being when one treats people as things. By this definition, yesterday's doings were evil.

Penny

Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Teribus
Date: 23 Jul 11 - 05:47 AM

It would appear that this lone attacker has thought very carefully about his attack on the Norwegian Labour party organisation and he must have been planning it for some time.

- Four guns two of which were "legally held" (The fully automatic weapon and the automatic shot gun were not - Automatic weapons in Norway are strictly illegal and automatic self loading shot guns in Norway have to have restricted magazines of two or three shots IIRC)

- He had a flat in Oslo but had bought a small farm supposedly to grow vegetables which gave him access to purchase the fertilisers used to make his explosives without raising suspicion

- He apaprently parked his car bomb and then drove to Tyrefjord an inland freshwater lake where Utoya is located. The bomb having gone off in Oslo at 15:15hrs he appeared in Police Uniform and presented himself to those controlling access to the island, saying that he had to brief those on the island on security matters, the Norwegian Prime Minister who is from the Norwegian Labour Party was due to speak to the youngsters on Utoya today.

- He arrived on the island and called all the youngsters to gather round for the briefing then started shooting. As the children and youngsters ran for cover he started hunting them down. Appeals went out on Norwegian television and radio not to call children on the island as the ring tones from their mobile phones would give their positions away.

- People on the island ran into the water to escape, the lake is up in the mountains to the west of Oslo (about 50km), fresh water even at this time of year is very, very cold. He shot at those in the water trying to escape.

- He planted explosives on the island to kill any rescue parties

- Diving teams are now searching for bodies that may have sunk, there are still people missing the body count may not be finalised yet.

Speaking to former work colleagues over in Norway the country is in shock.

A double attack by a lone right wing nutcase, as bad, horrific and as terrible as this was, is a far better in prospect to an attack by a group that yesterday's events may have signalled only the start of a concentrated campaign.

With the undoubted feelings running as they are I do not give much for this guy's chances. And like Rhett Butler "I don't give a damn". Norway is a country with a small population, the summer camp was attended by youngsters from all over, the ripples of this will extend far and wide, my thoughts are with the victims, their friends and their families.

Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Teribus
Date: 23 Jul 11 - 05:51 AM

"Deliberately designed to spread fear and so political change."

The Norwegian Prime Minister was very clear in his press conference yesterday

"Whoever did this. They will not destroy our democracy"

Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 23 Jul 11 - 05:59 AM

It seems to me that he may have acted alone but that he probably had accomplices in the preparation and planning.

Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 23 Jul 11 - 06:08 AM

Latest reports on BBC TV are 7 dead in Oslo, and 84 on the island, but they say there are still some youngsters unaccounted for.

A horrendous act, deserving of capital punishment, which I'm afraid he won't receive.

The effect upon the population of a country where the streets are among the safest in the world is incalculable, and the loss of all those children is so awful that words just aren't capable of expressing how one feels about such crimes.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 23 Jul 11 - 06:14 AM

"A horrendous act, deserving of capital punishment, which I'm afraid he won't receive."

If they change their laws for him, become more brutal, that is a victory for him. Lets hope that the Government of Norway is less cowardly than George W Bush and the Congress under him, and sticks to its principles.

Though they will have to rethink their security protocols.

Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 23 Jul 11 - 06:17 AM

He must be a total psychopath in the true sense of the word. But what reasons did he formulate in his head for these acts? What did he hope to achieve by this wicked carnage? I can't see his 'logic', was it political, personal vindictiveness, pleasure in killing? He must have planned it for weeks, so it wasn't an impulsive act. I find it completely chilling. The poor bereaved families, my heart aches for them.

Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Dave MacKenzie
Date: 23 Jul 11 - 06:27 AM

"A horrendous act, deserving of capital punishment, which I'm afraid he won't receive."

No way - he deserves to live with this for the rest of his hopefully very long life.

Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 23 Jul 11 - 07:13 AM

Some blame must surely go to the right wing media, which targets and relies on vitriol and invective for influencing fragile intellects.

I was in Norway (in Oslo in fact) a couple of weeks ago. The Norwegians are really nice people, and their country is very beautiful. it a really relaxed sort of place. Very expensive. i guess when you have a cost of living so high - there must be an awful lot of very resentful losers somewhere in the landscape.

Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 23 Jul 11 - 07:43 AM

Here are some of the writings of the killer. A hater of Muslims A lover of Zionism

Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: maeve
Date: 23 Jul 11 - 07:55 AM

Lovely Norway, I am so sorry for your terrible loss.

Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: bobad
Date: 23 Jul 11 - 08:06 AM

"A hater of Muslims a lover of Zionism"

A fundamentalist Christian, a lover of Christ.

Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: maeve
Date: 23 Jul 11 - 08:12 AM

Christian in name only, bobad. This is a insane, evil person.

Regards,

Maeve

Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 23 Jul 11 - 08:15 AM

A crackpot extremist, a lover of extremism...