BS: US Debt Limit: The fix is in

Subject: RE: BS: US Debt Limit: The fix is in
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 10 Aug 11 - 06:16 PM

D-u-u-hhh!!! Being progressive or not has nothing to do with it!..Jeez!
that was BEFORE the coup, as I mentioned on another post. You'd do well to pretend not to read it,.......... again!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: US Debt Limit: The fix is in
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Aug 11 - 05:54 PM

And just to be sure that America would not take a turn away from militarism, both Bobby Kennedy, who would have been elected president in 1968, and Dr. King were also mysteriously assassinated...

As a progressive, I know in my heart that this country would be a much better country had these men lived...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: US Debt Limit: The fix is in
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 10 Aug 11 - 04:07 PM

Dead, spot on, Hawk!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: US Debt Limit: The fix is in
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 Aug 11 - 04:01 PM

Well, they're not serving the public interest, that's why. They're serving their major sources of funding, in my opinion, and I'm not talking about taxes. I'm talking about a government that's in the hands of a wealthy elite, and does whatever that wealthy elite wants done, period. The same thing happens in Canada, the UK, etc. The public is not in charge of the situation. Elections are a phony PR exercise whose intent is to give the public the very false impression that they are briefly in charge of the situation...on one day: election day. The moment election day is over, though, the public is once again not in charge...because the people they voted in do not work FOR the public. They work for the wealthy elite which funds the election campaigns and owns the mass media, not to mention the military-industrial complex. The public are peasants. Serfs. Worker bees. And their jobs are vanishing to places like China, Mexico, and India.

Subject: RE: BS: US Debt Limit: The fix is in
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 10 Aug 11 - 02:55 PM

I expect the market to fall, at least around 10% more, and soon, if not sooner!
Only 24% of Americans as of today, approve of our Congress, and Senate. a majority of Americans, now (finally) disapprove of Obama!
They all suck!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: US Debt Limit: The fix is in
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 10 Aug 11 - 04:36 AM

Well Richard, I saw your quote and dug it.... problem is, a lot of politically biased people see stuff through their rose colored 'political glasses', instead of an objectivity, for truth, or history. Those same people interject 'purposed policies' over science or truth, and argue a blue streak, that the lie is really truth, as long as it is consistent with furthering any nonsensical political folly!....and good Lord, Mudcat has quite a few of those! The best thing that one can do, is just keep telling the truth..eventually time will bear one out!....and yet still they'll argue silliness, until they crash and burn. All you can hope for is that one or two reader's lights go on, and their music might get more honest, while they take a closer look at 'paying attention to detail'.......plus, make an extra effort to pop their heads out of their asses!
BTW, Thanks for the Kennedy quote!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: US Debt Limit: The fix is in
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 10 Aug 11 - 03:33 AM

Interestingly, I posted that Kennedy quote (about revolution) on another forum and someone riposted "What did Kennedy ever do for the USA". So he's not everyone's hero.

Subject: RE: BS: US Debt Limit: The fix is in
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Aug 11 - 11:27 PM

I tend to agree. The death of John Kennedy was the end of the old America and the beginning of an exceedingly dark era. The country has never recovered from what happened that day. Eisenhower warned what could happen in his final speech to the nation, Kennedy tried to stop it from happening, and Kennedy died. The military-industrial complex has had what it wants ever since...and the country is now effectively bankrupt.

Subject: RE: BS: US Debt Limit: The fix is in
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 09 Aug 11 - 07:48 PM

Aww, that is just a load of bull-crap, hoping to end any further investigation, that would uncover the truth!..(sounds like today, huh?)

Also, most of our problems today, got their beginnings with his end....should I enumerated them?..or do you know?
GfS

Subject: RE: BS: US Debt Limit: The fix is in
From: GUEST,999
Date: 09 Aug 11 - 07:17 PM

"It was fucked up since the coup, which was finalized on November 22, 1963, Dallas."

Nice to meet someone else who doesn't buy into the Warren Commission Report.

Subject: RE: BS: US Debt Limit: The fix is in
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 09 Aug 11 - 06:36 PM

During the campaign, Obama PROMISED to 'service the budget deficit', 'have a balanced budget', and 'curb spending' and 'work with both sides of the aisle' and 'end gridlock'....

judging from his performance record, and what just happened, I'd say its just a bunch of BLAB..what would you call it??
Wait a minute, don't tell me....I already read the Democratic blabbing points...OH wait!!..It was the 'Tea Party'!....who didn't even exist back then!
One more thing of note: The Tea party came into being, because Washington was all fucked up..they didn't fuck up Washington!..and it was all fucked up BEFORE the 'Blabbing One' came into the Presidency..Fair enough?
It was fucked up since the coup, which was finalized on November 22, 1963, Dallas.
Even MORE fair enough???

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: US Debt Limit: The fix is in
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 09 Aug 11 - 01:51 PM

VERY mature.

Subject: RE: BS: US Debt Limit: The fix is in
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 09 Aug 11 - 12:37 PM

'Oblabbo', best describes his policies(?), and his adherence to his 'promises'!...or have you been blabbing so much that you never noticed?!??

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: US Debt Limit: The fix is in
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 09 Aug 11 - 08:47 AM

"Oblabbo" very mature.

Subject: RE: BS: US Debt Limit: The fix is in
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Aug 11 - 11:57 PM

Well, SOMEBODY had to do it!!!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: US Debt Limit: The fix is in
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Aug 11 - 11:44 PM

Friends like these

Subject: RE: BS: US Debt Limit: The fix is in
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Aug 11 - 07:35 PM

I don't think that we are in disagreement, at all, in this one. I was just adding the thought, that certain 'connivers' can excel at very stupid things, and cunningly move forward, toward dangerously harmful agendas...Case in point: All the bloated borrowing, with pork attached!

By the way, in my earlier post, I mentioned Medicare. I was not attacking the program, or the need for it...what I was attacking was Obama-care's need to gut it, when I think it may have been better to keep it, expand it, but clean it up!...that is, the fraud in it, and the bloated, inefficient bureaucracy of its administration of it...up to, and including doctors, insurance companies, hospitals and patients...oh yeah, and lawyers, too!

Funny, nobody is yakking about the stock market today....or how it plummeted even further during and after Oblabbo's 'speech' to the nation! It seems now apparent, that both sides are admitting that the emperor has no clothes!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: US Debt Limit: The fix is in
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 08 Aug 11 - 05:47 PM

Should be

As Don said...

Subject: RE: BS: US Debt Limit: The fix is in
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 08 Aug 11 - 05:45 PM

Are they idiots?

Though a small part of the definition fits, "acts in a self-defeating or significantly counterproductive way." With regard to the other part "is a mentally deficient person," I think not. As Don, that thought, while comforting, could lead to a dangerous underestimation.

Dangerous, short sighted zealot, might be a more apt description.

Subject: RE: BS: US Debt Limit: The fix is in
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Aug 11 - 05:37 PM

Don: "If they were idiots, they would be easy enough to outsmart. Don't underestimate them. They know what they are doing in the same way a cunning and predatory animal knows what it's doing.
That's the key. They're predators."

...and due respects, in return. Would you be willing to differentiate between 'smart' and 'cunning'?..as in, 'one could be very cunning, at doing stupid things?'.

I think we can find common ground on that one....and even eek out a grin.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: US Debt Limit: The fix is in
From: GUEST,999
Date: 08 Aug 11 - 01:35 PM

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, make violent revolution inevitable." JFK

Subject: RE: BS: US Debt Limit: The fix is in
From: Bobert
Date: 08 Aug 11 - 12:47 PM

Yup...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: US Debt Limit: The fix is in
From: GUEST,999
Date: 08 Aug 11 - 12:35 PM

The US has been so-called outsourcing jobs, buying Chinese shit called consumer goods, sticking its nose in everyone's business, giving tax breaks to people who have more fucking money than Carter had liver pills, firing rockets that cost a million bucks each, planes that cost way more than that, bailing out crooked bastards who ripped off pensions and people's houses, and the US wonders why it's broke? Get a clue. Keriste.

Subject: RE: BS: US Debt Limit: The fix is in
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Aug 11 - 11:59 AM

Here's the latest column from Eric Margolis, regarding the Debt Limit. Interesting reading as always:

US Ready to Fight to its Last IOU

Subject: RE: BS: US Debt Limit: The fix is in
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 07 Aug 11 - 10:45 PM

"We can never forget that everything Hitler did in Germany was "legal" and everything the Hungarian freedom fighters did in Hungary was "illegal." It was "illegal" to aid and comfort a Jew in Hitler's Germany. But I am sure that if I had lived in Germany during that time, I would have aided and comforted my Jewish brothers even though it was illegal. If I lived in a Communist country today where certain principles dear to the Christian faith are suppressed, I believe I would openly advocate disobeying these anti-religious laws ..."

August 1963
Letter from Birmingham Jail
by Martin Luther King Jr.

Subject: RE: BS: US Debt Limit: The fix is in
From: Don Firth
Date: 07 Aug 11 - 07:58 PM

With all due respect, GfS, I would make one small, but all important correction.

"...and they ALL fell, miserably, and from Europe our forefathers fled, and attempted to start a free country, where the individual was sovereign...but alas, the idiots keep popping up, trying to take us back down, and repeat the same bullshit..."

If they were idiots, they would be easy enough to outsmart. Don't underestimate them. They know what they are doing in the same way a cunning and predatory animal knows what it's doing.

That's the key. They're predators.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: US Debt Limit: The fix is in
From: Bobert
Date: 07 Aug 11 - 07:54 PM

...and ain't no Excedrin gonna fix it, Jack... These radicals need to go back to being millionaires outside of Congress...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: US Debt Limit: The fix is in
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 07 Aug 11 - 07:42 PM

The self inflicted gunshot wound that the Tea Party has inflicted on this country is giving me a headache.

Subject: RE: BS: US Debt Limit: The fix is in
From: Bobert
Date: 07 Aug 11 - 07:36 PM

Right now we have two patients in the waiting room... One has a gun shot wound and the other a sinus headache... The Tea Party is the gun shot wound and no matter how the smoke clears we gotta get them outta office before they finish the job that bib Laden started...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: US Debt Limit: The fix is in
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 07 Aug 11 - 04:39 PM

P.S. Strings, If ever there was a time for 'folk singers' to address the hopes and spirit of the human condition, NOW would be as great as a time, as ever!....But first, they need to rise above the fray, manufactured for us, put their finger on the pulse, and get down to it!
I KNOW you KNOW what I'm talking about....you've been there!..and for that, hats off!



...then there is that spiritual matter, that makes it all fall into place.....ask Seeger, Dylan, Rose, and other ground breakers who were a notch above the mundane!

Regardless, Hats off!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: US Debt Limit: The fix is in
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 07 Aug 11 - 04:29 PM

Strings, I'd have to agree with you, but I'd take it a step even further..it seems the goals of the globalist bankers, through the parties, is to destroy everyone, like a circular firing squad, just to get their crap enacted...which of course, is not in anyone's best interests, except their own. Their goals are global, and would throw us all under the bus, as soon as their done using us...and using us up!. That's one reason why I can't stand all this partisan bickering, while letting the real culprits get away with murder! ...(figuratively, and literally!).....and like lemmings we''re doing it on here, as well. If I point that out, when the left is being criticized, they get all snotty, and nasty...when the 'right' thinks I'm attacking them, THEY get all snotty and nasty, as well...when after all, as you have pointed out, I have pointed out, Little Hawk has pointed out, among others, this is a massive bullshit propaganda/Psychological warfare effort, of deception to ever have come down the pike!..or is it pipe?
Real issues are only used to arouse possible support bases, then tossed aside, for policies NEITHER side is in favor of...except those of the globalist, international bankers, and their minions! Meanwhile, the country gets thrown under the bus, and while 'right' and 'left' bicker, on 'whose fault is 'was/is/going to be'! Those, who caused the mess, in the first place, just skip and frolic away, looking for their next target to zoom in on!
Look how they completely deceived the 'left' about Obama! Look how Fox keeps the divide active! Look at the other 'news' sources fail to pick up any depth to their stories!....Look how folks just lap it up!

Regards Strings!
GfS

Subject: RE: BS: US Debt Limit: The fix is in
From: Stringsinger
Date: 07 Aug 11 - 02:20 PM

1. The Tea Party's goal is to destroy Obama's presidency.
2.   To capitulate to them is to inflict self wounds.
3.   The Republican Party is dominated by the Tea Party
4.   The answer would have been for Obama to claim the 14th Amendment.
(Could a closet Republican do this?)

Wall Street is still lurking around the corner. Who will they pick? A Tea Party Republican or a closet Republican?

Wall Street is the new Hotel California. "Check out and can never leave".

Subject: RE: BS: US Debt Limit: The fix is in
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 07 Aug 11 - 01:58 PM

Donuel: "The wealth distribution goes beyond what Rome did. It is reminiscent of certain Monarchies."

...and they ALL fell, miserably, and from Europe our forefathers fled, and attempted to start a free country, where the individual was sovereign...but alas, the idiots keep popping up, trying to take us back down, and repeat the same bullshit...except instead of Kings, and Dukes, we have CEO's and Presidents...oh, and blind subjects, too!

GfS

P.S. I'm going to go over your post again...I did cut short my response. we just may be in more agreement, than not....gotta' check!

Subject: RE: BS: US Debt Limit: The fix is in
From: Greg F.
Date: 07 Aug 11 - 01:09 PM

For example the right has been yelling CLASS WARFARE !!!

Can't possibly be- the Right Wing Nutjobs and the Tea Potty have steadfastly maintained for decades that ythe U. S. of A. is a CLASSLESS SOCIETY!

Aintcha been payin attenshun?

Subject: RE: BS: US Debt Limit: The fix is in
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 07 Aug 11 - 12:11 PM

You read!!!!
GfS's long winded, punctuation laden, posts!!???

Good on you sir!!

I admire your patience!!!

Your fortitude!!!!

Your guts!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: US Debt Limit: The fix is in
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Aug 11 - 12:07 PM

Gfs I wrote the reasons and the context for that statement.
You must have skimmed over it.

Subject: RE: BS: US Debt Limit: The fix is in
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Aug 11 - 11:20 AM

The ANTI FEDERAL GOVERNMENT tirade comes from either people who are uninformed or from Corporate think tanks who strive to destroy all regulatory agencies that don;t allow them them to poison America with impunity. After 10 years of shrinking and dumbing down agencies with political appointees the corporations have helped Wall St. degulations, enough to poison the financial world, and the EPA to turn its head when it comes to fracking. Katrina showed how FEMA was hobbled in as little as 4 years.

What government does not do is toot thier own horn. The Computer was an invention by government research grants that gave away its invention to the world. Most of the life saving drugs for diseases come from the NIH but if you watch the discovery channel it would seem like the March of DImes accomplished all this discoveries. Under Republican government the corporate control of Congress and its media channel has enabled business to have historic highest profits ever recorded. Perhaps you did not know this since trickle down be damned is what is happening.

The social safety net is what prevents the 39% of the population from abject starvation. There are over 15 million food stamp folks out here.
There are enough armed militia/insurrection groups here to do great harm to the country. Without thier government checks they would quickly bite the hand that fed them. http://www.knobcreekrange.com/   has more than small arms to try.

I do worry that we are just one assisination or several doemstic terrorist attacks away from anarchy. The wealthy do think about this and have put many police state tactics and weaponry programs on the front burner to defend themselves. The super wealthy just fly to France.

Government is us only when we devote and risk our lives to its life saving possibilities.

The attack rhetoric from the rich comes out a year ahead of the emerging outrage and the response from the left is always defensive and a day late. For example the right has been yelling CLASS WARFARE !!! for a couple years now.   HELP THE WEALTH HAS BEEN REDISTRIBUTED   !!!!    by who?   Our eyes say its the rich who are guilty of both

but the words oft repeated say its the poor, the left, the socialists, its OBAMA.

If you dare believe your eyes it ain't us.

but it should be.


The wealth distribution goes beyond what Rome did. It is reminiscent of certain Monarchies.


Class war? Is there any hope that COngress will change enough to wage the war with new policy instead of blow back and bullets?

I hope so.

Subject: RE: BS: US Debt Limit: The fix is in
From: Greg F.
Date: 07 Aug 11 - 10:25 AM

I realize that some conservatives don't trust Snopes...

I don't think real conservatives - at least those with a brain- "don't trust snopes".

The same ignorant clowns that believe Faux News bullshit are the ones that are in denial about Snopes - which is no surprise, since they're in denial about truth in general and operate in a fact-free environment. And they're proud of it.

vide- among others - the book Idiot America: How Stupidity Became a Virtue in the Land of the Free.

Subject: RE: BS: US Debt Limit: The fix is in
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 07 Aug 11 - 06:01 AM

Correction in previous post: Delete the other one, please.


Joe: "Sanity, I took you to be a pretty smart person. I'm surprised that you would post one of these bogus Internet tirades without checking its veracity. Why perpetuate lies like these?"

I made no claim, one way or another, as to its 'accuracy' or 'inaccuracy', nor, as you know, nor I did not add my usual 'GfS' at the bottom of the post(conscientiously). ...and If you would have read my previous posts, (which I'm sure you have, and for some while), a HUGE part of what I've been saying, is that Americans are polarized, and turning against each other, though deception.
To say, that the whole letter is ALL wrong, I don't particularly agree with, either...but, as you pointed out, Joe:"...Why invest money just so you have to borrow more?" seems to be consistent, with being AGAINST, the 'theory' of passing any number of so-called 'stimulus', bills, does it not?.....and speaking of which, where is that 'stimulus' money' going..or ending up? Is it not true, that 'interest' on all this 'borrowing' is far more than even, our defense budget? As I've contended, again, in previous posts, that our so called 'representatives' are acting more like 'brokers' for laws, and those laws, (with a sugar coated 'logic' to enact them), ALL cost more BORROWED money...and who benefits from that BORROWED money?...the people, to whom case was made to appeal to?...or, the people who push to be able to 'loan' MORE money, so they can make more 'profit' from the interest???...And, whose programs cost exorbitant, amounts of money to 'administer' with all the overhead built-in bureaucracy, that even more needs to be borrowed, to finally get 'help' to the very people who it was supposed to benefit, in the first place?...Case in point: Medicare! Plus add in the fraud, which runs in at about 1/3 of inflating the costs, of the actual benefits! THEN they want to bitch and moan, when, on either side of the coin..when they want to cut Medicare?? ....and to add insult to injury, cut Medicare, to make way for the new, Health(?)Care bill...the offer waivers, to certain states (and political donors),who would vote for that convoluted piece of shit!!..MOST of whom admittedly NEVER even read it!!! In other words, "OK, I'll give you MY vote, but don't include ME or MY voters, especially MY donors in any of it!"..What kind of poppycock is that???
I think that is more of the gist of the angst behind the letter. Same could be said, about the added burden of the 'stimulus' plans.
AND who gets screwed if we go 'belly up' from the reckless spending? The Saudis, when we renege on our deal with them to buy their oil, if they buy and back our bonds...as soon as the price of oil goes up high enough that we drill our own??(Which plan is in the works, BTW)...The Chinese??, who the globalists invested heavy into for cheap labor and high profits, at the expense of our jobs,.. or us, who own 60-65% of our own national debt, through our investments of our own bonds??? I say, the people who are running stuff behind the scenes, DON'T give a hoot, as long as they make their profits, get their power, and aren't revealed, as to who the are, what they've done, and what they plan to do...regardless of your(our)rights, and/or our sovereignty as a country!!! What we are witnessing, and in 'progress' is the selling out of the U.S.A. to the highest bidder, to line the pockets of these vultures, while the politicians facilitate it, for a piece of the action!!
(Jeez! I'm sounding more like a extreme 'Progressive' than some of the so-called acknowledged 'Progressives' on here!!...and I'm not! I only want us to have an honest debate, within an honest government. What a dreamer!!)
I think, whether it's taxes, OR interest rates that gets raised, especially on an artificially inflated dollar, when the economy is sucking square eggs, it won't matter a hill of beans when the house is foreclosed on, and/or folks go under, people who worked hard, and hoped all their lives, to get it!..and did so, thinking that the goals weren't going to be moved...by the value of the dollar being criminally messed with, as a means of bilking the American public of everything, they can get their greedy little hands on! Am I talking about legislators??..or bankers, who get the 'broker/representatives' to do their bidding for them? It DOESN'T MATTER...the 'fix is in', and as long as the debate centers on the topic, of 'which party is at fault', the REAL issue, and culprits never seem to be addressed..or prosecuted...and the 'can just gets kicked down the road', and the problem never fixed!...intentionally!!! (I wonder just how long the debt limit deal was already figured out, BEFORE we HAD to accept it, as a panic driven 'emergency compromise'???...that NOBODY seems to like, or want!!... Ever wonder that, yourself???).
And who gets squeezed??.. the mega-international globalists, hiding behind falsely portrayed 'causes' which they initiate and back?...The small business owner, in competition with the big corporations?(and the backbone of actual wealth, employment and taxes)?...the bankers, who hold the 'stimulus' money?? ..It is you, and me, and the 'common folk' who are being squeezed, and sucked dry, for their short-sighted 'grab-fest'. Would you not agree?
   You might even get a 'return' on you stocks, that LOSE actual value, in buying power, if the rate of inflation and increasing interest, wipes out any real dividend....though you might show 'higher' numbers!..and I think you know(or should) that...just look at the 401's and IRA accounts!..It was all bullshit, and a scam from the beginning....which I told people(before I came on here), to artificially bolster up the sagging stock market and economy....LONG before this administration got the blame! I believe it was under Daddy 'Read My Lips' Bush.
   
   I could go on, commenting on some of your additional comments, both pro and con, but I'm not wanting to make a huge post, out of it....but I can,(wink!).
   In closing,(this part), I'm not affirming or particularly defending the letter...and at the very beginning, of that post, I clearly stated, that I "Just got this:"....some of which is correct, some political rhetoric, some just plain agitation, but what is true in it should not be tossed out, just because it either agrees or disagrees with a 'party' stand. Frankly, I'm mega sick of hearing party lies, for either side...and what is really sad, is to see the damage it's done and is doing, while the 'perps' get away with 'slight of hand'. Just as bad, is seeing musicians and composers, people who could have potential influence, DOA, and rendered irrelevant, by adopting their propaganda!!....either 'side'(?)!!
Again, Fair enough?..Correct me, if I'm wrong.

Regards,

GfS
Fair enough?

Subject: RE: BS: US Debt Limit: The fix is in
From: Joe Offer
Date: 07 Aug 11 - 01:51 AM

Yeah, I think we should pick apart that fraudulent chain letter Sanity posted. It's full of untruths and anachronisms. Here's a copy, with my responses in bold

1. As a career politician, you have been on the public dole for FIFTY YEARS.
How many members of Congress have been employed fifty years? Not many, nowadays. Click here for a list of Senators and Representatives who have served over 36 years. The lists include fourteen currently serving members, and thirteen former members who are still alive.

2. I have been paying Social Security taxes for 48 YEARS (since I was 15 years old...)
And Members of Congress have been paying the MAXIMUM Social Security taxes, unless they happen to have served continuously since 1984. That's when the law changed and Members of Congress had to start paying Social Security, in addition to the contributions they make to their retirement fund. And those pre-1984 Members of Congress and federal employees get a significant reduction in Social Security benefits for the time they were exempt from paying Social Security.

3 My Social Security payments, and those of millions of other Americans, were safely tucked away in an interest bearing account for decades until you political pukes decided to raid the account and give OUR money to a bunch of zero ambition losers in return for votes, thus bankrupting the system and turning Social Security into a Ponzi scheme that would have made Bernie Madoff proud.
That never happened. Social Security funds have always been used for benefits or lent to the government in lieu of having the government borrow money at higher rates. Attempts to "privatize" Social Security and invest the money in stocks have always failed, because they just don't make sense. Why invest money just so you have to borrow more?

4. Recently, just like Lucy & Charlie Brown, you and your ilk pulled the proverbial football away from millions of American seniors nearing retirement and moved the goalposts for full retirement from age 65 to age 67. NOW, you and your shill commission is proposing to move the goalposts YET AGAIN.
Yes, the age for full retirement has gone up, and so has the life expectancy of Americans. There may have been a proposal to raise the retirement age at the time this e-mail was first sent, but I think that's been done already. Employers have had to reduce pension benefits for the same reason.

5 I, and millions of other Americans, have been paying into Medicare from Day One, and now you morons propose to change the rules of the game.. Why? Because you idiots mismanaged other parts of the economy to such an extent that you need to steal money from Medicare to pay the bills..
Members of Congress pay into Medicare at the same rate you pay.

6. I, and millions of other Americans, have been paying income taxes our entire lives, and now you propose to increase our taxes yet again. Why? Because you incompetent bastards spent our money so profligately that you just kept on spending even after you ran out of money. Now, you come to the American taxpayers and say you need more to pay off YOUR debt.
My understanding is that income taxes take a much lower proportion of the Gross National Product than they did in 1970.

To add insult to injury, you label us "greedy" for calling "bullshit" on your incompetence. Well, Captain Bullshit, I have a few questions for YOU.
Don't recall too many Members of Congress calling their voters "greedy." That would be really, really poor public relations, and a sure way not to get reelected.

1. How much money have you earned from the American taxpayers during your pathetic 50-year political career?
About as much as most mid-level managers, and rarely for a 50-year career.

2. At what age did you retire from your pathetic political career, and how much are you receiving in annual retirement benefits from the American taxpayers?
Some Members of Congress have worked until they were past 90, and could not draw a Federal pension until after they stopped working. Many have worked well past the age of 70, if their constituents (freely) chose to reelect them.

3. How much do you pay for YOUR government provided health insurance?
Somewhere in the neighborhood of $500-$700 a month.

4. What cuts in YOUR retirement and healthcare benefits are you proposing in your disgusting deficit reduction proposal, or, as usual, have you exempted yourself and your political cronies?
The same cuts federal employees get, which are more-or-less the same as cuts in other employer-provided programs where employees pay a significant part of the cost of insurance. Members of Congress have had an increase in what they pay for health insurance almost every year over at least the last fifty years.

It is you, Captain Bullshit, and your political co-conspirators called Congress who are the "greedy" ones. It is you and your fellow nutcases who have bankrupted America and stolen the American dream from millions of loyal, patriotic taxpayers. And for what? Votes. That's right, sir. You and yours have bankrupted America for the sole purpose of advancing your pathetic political careers. You know it, we know it, and you know that we know it.
Well, yes, Members of Congress DO work for the people who work for them, but they tend to think that going into bankruptcy is political suicide. The government of the United States does not intend to file bankruptcy. In fact, we still have a very good credit rating even in this terrible economy.

And you can take that to the bank, you miserable son of a bitch.

This would change everything and should be retroactive!
Well, most of the misconceptions on your list are untrue, or were changed decades ago.

No one has been able to explain why young men and women serve in the U.S. Military for 20 years, risking their lives protecting freedom, and only get 50% of their pay. While politicians hold their political positions in the safe confines of the capital, protected by these same men and women, and receive full pay retirement after serving one term. It just does not make any sense.
A Member of Congress who served 25 years, would receive 1/3 of his salary beginning when he/she reaches the age of 62. Don't know the stats for those who serve fewer years.


On Fox news they learned that the staffers of Congress family members are exempt from having to pay back student loans. This will get national attention if other news networks will broadcast it. When you add this to the below, just where will all of it stop?
Don't know about this, but Snopes says it isn't true.

35 States file lawsuit against the Federal Government

Governors of 35 states have filed suit against the Federal Government for imposing unlawful burdens upon them. It only takes 38 (of the 50) States to convene a Constitutional Convention.
So far, nobody has convened a Constitutional Convention. Filing a lawsuit is a much easier procedure. Sometimes it works, and sometimes it doesn't.


This will take less than thirty seconds to read. If you agree, please pass it on.

This is an idea that we should address.

For too long we have been too complacent about the workings of Congress. Many citizens had no idea that members of Congress could retire with the same pay after only one term, that they specifically exempted themselves from many of the laws they have passed (such as being exempt from any fear of prosecution for sexual harassment) while ordinary citizens must live under those laws. The latest is to exempt themselves from the Healthcare Reform.... in all of its forms. Somehow, that doesn't seem logical. We do not have an elite that is above the law. I truly don't care if they are Democrat, Republican, Independent or whatever. The self-serving must stop.
Most of this is untrue.

If each person that receives this will forward it on to 20 people, in three days, most people in The United States of America will have the message... This is one proposal that really should be passed around.

Proposed 28th Amendment to the United States Constitution: "Congress shall make no law that applies to the citizens of the United States that does not apply equally to the Senators and/or Representatives; and, Congress shall make no law that applies to the Senators and/or Representatives that does not apply equally to the citizens of the United States ."

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I realize that some conservatives don't trust Snopes, so I've answered almost all of these things from my personal experience of 25 years as an investigator for the U.S. Office of Personnel Management, the agency that administers benefits for Federal employees and retirees.
Sanity, I took you to be a pretty smart person. I'm surprised that you would post one of these bogus Internet tirades without checking its veracity. Why perpetuate lies like these?

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: US Debt Limit: The fix is in
From: GUEST,999
Date: 06 Aug 11 - 11:03 PM

GfS, fyi, Snopes had a few things to add to your post of

06 Aug 11 - 03:54 PM

Subject: RE: BS: US Debt Limit: The fix is in
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 06 Aug 11 - 10:56 PM

Donuel: "What does bring down these politicians is the same thing that brings down evangelical preachers, they have to be caught STEALING the faithful member's money and or land."

Hasn't there been enough evidence to call a spade 'a spade' when you see it happening? I think the evidence is overwhelming, as the evidence of their overwhelming ability to come up with 'new reasons' why it's "OK!" ....and then gather biased followers, that keep telling people "It's not..look over here!"...pointing at the 'other party'!!....or over here...or there.....certainly not to where the 'money trail' is heading, and lands up!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: US Debt Limit: The fix is in
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Aug 11 - 09:19 PM

Joe, I hope you notice that you and I are talking about the same things.

From my experience as hypnotist I see the devolution of America with programing people to despise the goodness in our country and swoon for the stupid, banal people/argumments/suggestions pouring from banal personalaities on radio and TV. People have litterally voted against thier own existence. They stay in line to drink the Kool Aid and take the showers.

The media is the message. This means more than we might think it means.

While there is hope that some will finally begin to see through the tea party brown shirts, I remind you that the most damaged who fail to understand thier "Bush" programming, will become the first to volunteer to be the secret police to harm thier peacful neighbors if called upon to do so. It gives them a feeling of purpose, power and protection by religious and ideological authorites.

They damn well will cling to thier guns and bibles. Yes this is not new, George Washington even complained of the dangers of theocratic attacks on Federal authority in a letter to his English friend.


When we carry on about how stupid a statement by Palin or Bachmann is, we forget that the people who do not know even as much as Sarah of Michelle, feel the familiar attack because they too have been made fun of for thier own stupid remarks.

Stupidity, hypocrisy and even lieing are not negative factors for the right wing base. In fact they are bonding points of mutual experience. What does bring down these politicians is the same thing that brings down evangelical preachers, they have to be caught STEALING the faithful member's money and or land.

Subject: RE: BS: US Debt Limit: The fix is in
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Aug 11 - 08:48 PM

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Subject: RE: BS: US Debt Limit: The fix is in
From: Donuel - PM
Date: 03 Aug 11 - 04:41 PM

Gold will decline tommorrow

Standard and Poor's will downgrade US to AA+ this month.
Insiders say "It's baked in"




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Gee good one Don, you hit it exactly on the head. You somtimes claim unique insights and knowledge but facts and proof of correct projections over 12 years of time stamped claims is impressive.

Gee thanks DOn.

Sometimes I try to dumb things down so those who do not spend countless hours of research can glimps certain events more clearly.
However if people do not know who the players are and how the controlling board of a stock exchange can influence trades, a reader would easily miss the point. Sorry Jack I failed to communicate effectively enough for you to get it.
The microcosm of the few contributors here losing themselves in facitional detail of thier own making reminds me of the exasperation that Barak feels daily.













The big picture or the central goal of policy in America is being destroyed from within by absurd claims and tunnel vision. The Republican pollster LUntz show us the epitome of foolish attention to detail instead of our big goals that he gives people a dial which they are told to turn huigher with agreement and down for disagreement. They wire up a crowd and measure thier response in microseconds.


Believe me, winning an argument with a tenth of a second approval rise is meaningless and the pinacle of nonsense. As Dyson says " I learned that 58% of COngress is composed of people who stucy law and construct thier thoughts by means of arguing as in a debate contest, where you do not even know which side of the proposition you are to argue until the moderator announces it.

Getting to our goal as a people united has little to do witht he argument process at all. As a result The Common Good   is today amazingly uncommon.

Subject: RE: BS: US Debt Limit: The fix is in
From: Bobert
Date: 06 Aug 11 - 06:58 PM

Alan Simpson was a horse's ass when he was in Congress and like they say, "Folks don't change, they get more so..."

B~

Subject: RE: BS: US Debt Limit: The fix is in
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 06 Aug 11 - 06:32 PM

Wyoming Republican Alan Simpson

So Obama is responsible for what Republicans say?

Subject: RE: BS: US Debt Limit: The fix is in
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 06 Aug 11 - 03:54 PM

Just got this:



"Alan Simpson, ex-Senator from Wyoming , Co-Chair of Obama's deficit commission, calls senior citizens the Greediest Generation as he compared "Social Security" to a Milk Cow with 310 million teats. August, 2010.

Here's a response in a letter from a unknown fellow in Montana ...I think he is a little ticked off! He also tells it like it is !

"Hey Alan, let's get a few things straight...

1. As a career politician, you have been on the public dole for FIFTY YEARS.

2. I have been paying Social Security taxes for 48 YEARS (since I was 15 years old...)                                                      

3 My Social Security payments, and those of millions of other Americans, were safely tucked away in an interest bearing account for decades until you political pukes decided to raid the account and give OUR money to a bunch of zero ambition losers in return for votes, thus bankrupting the system and turning Social Security into a Ponzi scheme that would have made Bernie Madoff proud.

4. Recently, just like Lucy & Charlie Brown, you and your ilk pulled the proverbial football away from millions of American seniors nearing retirement and moved the goalposts for full retirement from age 65 to age 67. NOW, you and your shill commission is proposing to move the goalposts YET AGAIN.

5 I, and millions of other Americans, have been paying into Medicare from Day One, and now you morons propose to change the rules of the game.. Why? Because you idiots mismanaged other parts of the economy to such an extent that you need to steal money from Medicare to pay the bills..

6. I, and millions of other Americans, have been paying income taxes our entire lives, and now you propose to increase our taxes yet again. Why? Because you incompetent bastards spent our money so profligately that you just kept on spending even after you ran out of money. Now, you come to the American taxpayers and say you need more to pay off YOUR debt.

To add insult to injury, you label us "greedy" for calling "bullshit" on your incompetence. Well, Captain Bullshit, I have a few questions for YOU.

1. How much money have you earned from the American taxpayers during your pathetic 50-year political career?

2. At what age did you retire from your pathetic political career, and how much are you receiving in annual retirement benefits from the American taxpayers?

3. How much do you pay for YOUR government provided health insurance?

4. What cuts in YOUR retirement and healthcare benefits are you proposing in your disgusting deficit reduction proposal, or, as usual, have you exempted yourself and your political cronies?

It is you, Captain Bullshit, and your political co-conspirators called Congress who are the "greedy" ones. It is you and your fellow nutcases who have bankrupted America and stolen the American dream from millions of loyal, patriotic taxpayers. And for what? Votes. That's right, sir. You and yours have bankrupted America for the sole purpose of advancing your pathetic political careers. You know it, we know it, and you know that we know it.

And you can take that to the bank, you miserable son of a bitch.

This would change everything and should be retroactive!

No one has been able to explain why young men and women serve in the U.S. Military for 20 years, risking their lives protecting freedom, and only get 50% of their pay. While politicians hold their political positions in the safe confines of the capital, protected by these same men and women, and receive full pay retirement after serving one term. It just does not make any sense.

On Fox news they learned that the staffers of Congress family members are exempt from having to pay back student loans. This will get national attention if other news networks will broadcast it. When you add this to the below, just where will all of it stop?

35 States file lawsuit against the Federal Government

Governors of 35 states have filed suit against the Federal Government for imposing unlawful burdens upon them. It only takes 38 (of the 50) States to convene a Constitutional Convention.

This will take less than thirty seconds to read. If you agree, please pass it on.

This is an idea that we should address.

For too long we have been too complacent about the workings of Congress. Many citizens had no idea that members of Congress could retire with the same pay after only one term, that they specifically exempted themselves from many of the laws they have passed (such as being exempt from any fear of prosecution for sexual harassment) while ordinary citizens must live under those laws. The latest is to exempt themselves from the Healthcare Reform.... in all of its forms. Somehow, that doesn't seem logical. We do not have an elite that is above the law. I truly don't care if they are Democrat, Republican, Independent or whatever. The self-serving must stop.

If each person that receives this will forward it on to 20 people, in three days, most people in The United States of America will have the message... This is one proposal that really should be passed around.

Proposed 28th Amendment to the United States Constitution: "Congress shall make no law that applies to the citizens of the United States that does not apply equally to the Senators and/or Representatives; and, Congress shall make no law that applies to the Senators and/or Representatives that does not apply equally to the citizens of the United States ."

Subject: RE: BS: US Debt Limit: The fix is in
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 05 Aug 11 - 06:14 PM

He makes a significant percent of his income form the stock market. That is why he is so pissed off.

Subject: RE: BS: US Debt Limit: The fix is in
From: Joe Offer
Date: 05 Aug 11 - 06:06 PM

Gee, that's the best news I've heard in a while, Jack. It would be nice if people would get away from the ideological extremes and learn that we have to work together in practical ways to get our economy back on track. I think Obama is doing that quite well, although he's being excoriated for it by ideologues on both sides.

The stock market took a big hit yesterday. I think I'd better not look at my retirement account until the news gets better.....

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: US Debt Limit: The fix is in
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 05 Aug 11 - 05:12 PM

This afternoon I talked to a friend of mine who voted Bush in 2004.

He blames the Tea Party. I feel a lot better about 2012.