Ned of the Hill Chords (Sean Cannon)

Subject: Ned of the Hill Chords (Sean Cannon)
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Sep 11 - 05:23 AM

Amazingly helpful site here and my first time posting, I'm terrible at working out chords to songs by myself at the moment and was wondering if anybody knows the chords to the version of Ned of the Hill performed by Sean Cannon?

Such a great tune by an incredible singer, if anybody could help me it'd be very much appreciated! Thankyou

Subject: RE: Ned of the Hill Chords (Sean Cannon)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 12 Sep 11 - 06:07 AM

Assuming it's the same sequence as the Pogues I think it's mostly E minor and D, but in a couple of places the Em becomes a G. I thought there was a C in there too but just strumming it now it didn't seem necessary. I thought we'd had a thread on this once before...

Subject: RE: Ned of the Hill Chords (Sean Cannon)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 12 Sep 11 - 06:09 AM

Here's a way: -

http://www.traditionalmusic.co.uk/irish-folk-music/irish%20songs/young_ned_of_the_hill.htm

Subject: RE: Ned of the Hill Chords (Sean Cannon)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 12 Sep 11 - 06:13 AM

http://www.martindardis.com/id288.html

There is another song that is not the Pogues song - but that's different...

Subject: RE: Ned of the Hill Chords (Sean Cannon)
From: GUEST,999
Date: 12 Sep 11 - 06:18 AM

Richard, the version on Youtube by Sean Cannon has no minor chords.


If you'd like to sing along, the lyrics are below: from the Album "Erin the Green" Ned of the HIl is
said to be about a dispossessed aristocrat, listen to this version:

Oh who is without
That with passionate shout
Keeps beating my bolted door?
I am Ned of the Hill
Forspent wet and chill
From long trudging marsh and moor
My love, fond and true
What else could I do
But shield you from wind and from weather?
When the shots fall like hail
They us both shall assail
And mayhap we shall die together

Through frost and through snow
Tired and hunted I go
In fear both from friend and from neighbour
My horses run wild
My acres untilled
And all of them lost to my labour
But it grieves me far more
Than the loss of my store
That there's no one would shield me from danger
So my fate it must be
To sail eastwards o'er sea
And languish amid the stranger



Guest, what key do you want it in?

Subject: RE: Ned of the Hill Chords (Sean Cannon)
From: GUEST,999
Date: 12 Sep 11 - 06:21 AM

Here is SC singing it on Youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Km28EQe4FE&feature=player_detailpage

Subject: RE: Ned of the Hill Chords (Sean Cannon)
From: GUEST,999
Date: 12 Sep 11 - 06:27 AM

BTW, Richard, there was a thread on it started by Peter T. No chords there or in the DT.

Subject: RE: Ned of the Hill Chords (Sean Cannon)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 12 Sep 11 - 06:54 AM

That's a completely different song - and one that I don't know at all. I don't really do Irish music.

Subject: RE: Ned of the Hill Chords (Sean Cannon)
From: GUEST,999
Date: 12 Sep 11 - 07:20 AM

Figured you were talking about a different song.

I'd never heard either before.

Subject: RE: Ned of the Hill Chords (Sean Cannon)
From: The Sandman
Date: 12 Sep 11 - 07:57 AM

the one i sing startsdark is the evening silent the hour, i usually sing it unasccompanied

Subject: RE: Ned of the Hill Chords (Sean Cannon)
From: GUEST,Bluesman
Date: 12 Sep 11 - 08:07 AM

Minor cords ? just watched Sean on youtube. Richard, please tell us more about these.

Subject: RE: Ned of the Hill Chords (Sean Cannon)
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 12 Sep 11 - 10:32 AM

Hello, Guest. Welcome to the Mudcat.

The reason our are having a hrd time figuring out the chords to this song is because it's a song which just doesn't lend itself to that. It moves stepwise up or down the scale a lot, and chords consist (roughly) of every other note.

It's a beautiful and sophisticated tune, and it was probably meant to be accompanied by a trainsed player who was following music written for it. Either that, or unaccompanied.

My advice is to forget this song for a few years and play other songs which work better with chords.

Subject: RE: Ned of the Hill Chords (Sean Cannon)
From: GUEST,999
Date: 12 Sep 11 - 10:40 AM

The link for the version of the song Guest [OP] is looking for has chords in it. I don't doubt that Dick's version is beautiful, but it is not what the OP is looking for. FYI.

Subject: RE: Ned of the Hill Chords (Sean Cannon)
From: The Sandman
Date: 12 Sep 11 - 12:17 PM

sean cannon plays in drop d[most of the time]

Subject: RE: Ned of the Hill Chords (Sean Cannon)
From: The Sandman
Date: 12 Sep 11 - 12:43 PM

it can be played in standard tuning in the key of a modal it use 3chords a modal[or long a] d modal or [long d] and e modal.
to my ears it did not sound appropriate with major chords.
a modal requires a part bar on second and part on fifth fret, d modal is ordinary d shape, but on top string you fret 5 fret instead of 2 fret. e modal is top 2 strings open6 string open 5 string7 fret 4 string 9fret, 3 string 9 fret.
there is another e modal which is like your e minor shape, but 3string is fretted at 4 fret, hope this helps.
you should be able to play this in standard tuning in e modal using long a and a variant of b 7, that misses out the d#
5 string 2 fret, 4 string 4 fret,3 string 2 fret dont play 6 string, 1and 2 strings are open, by having the 1 string open it turns it into a sus 4 chord and it sounds right, i think you only use this chord once right at the end on the word [ned]

Subject: RE: Ned of the Hill Chords (Sean Cannon)
From: The Sandman
Date: 12 Sep 11 - 12:44 PM

this should read,e modal is top 2 strings open,6 string open, 5 string7 fret, 4 string 9fret, 3 string 9 fret.

Subject: RE: Ned of the Hill Chords (Sean Cannon)
From: The Sandman
Date: 12 Sep 11 - 12:48 PM

the same thing applies when playing it in a, instead of playing e modal on the word[ned], try playing your e chord like this,5 string2 fret, 4 string2 fret, 3 string 2 fret, it is emodal sus 4

Subject: RE: Ned of the Hill Chords (Sean Cannon)
From: The Sandman
Date: 12 Sep 11 - 01:06 PM

in drop d, it is relatively simple, it is mainly long d, and a g chord that if you are finger picking you do not pick top string,so 6 string 5fret, 5 string 5 fret, 2 string 3 fret , that is a g chord without the b note, it is nearly all d and g, but on the word ned, it is long a, as explained earlier.
incidentally i have decide i do not like this[the same thing applies when playing it in a, instead of playing e modal on the word[ned], try playing your e chord like this,5 string2 fret, 4 string2 fret, 3 string 2 fret, it is emodal sus 4] in my previous post

Subject: RE: Ned of the Hill Chords (Sean Cannon)
From: GUEST,Martin Dardis
Date: 12 Sep 11 - 02:37 PM

Here's a link to the song on youtube where you can see what chords are being played, Ned Of The Hill

Subject: RE: Ned of the Hill Chords (Sean Cannon)
From: The Sandman
Date: 12 Sep 11 - 03:42 PM

they may or may not be the appropriate chords it is a matter of opinion, but I think that particular version is a classic example of a guitar imposing a rhythym on a song that[imo] should be sung more freely, the vocalist does have a very pleasant sounding voice, andIwould like to hear him singing it unaccompanied

Subject: RE: Ned of the Hill Chords (Sean Cannon)
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 12 Sep 11 - 04:33 PM

I would like to "learn" the phonetic gaelic words..has anyone figured them out? HOpefully to a very standard version that is written out? And sung on you tube? mg

Subject: RE: Ned of the Hill Chords (Sean Cannon)
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 12 Sep 11 - 04:51 PM

Pretty version...young woman is Ukranian. mg

Subject: RE: Ned of the Hill Chords (Sean Cannon)
From: GUEST,999
Date: 12 Sep 11 - 04:59 PM

GUEST: I will post the chords to the version you requested a bit later tonight or early tomorrow. That is, the one in the video done by Sean Cannon.

Subject: RE: Ned of the Hill Chords (Sean Cannon)
From: GUEST,999
Date: 13 Sep 11 - 09:09 AM

GUEST, where are you?

Subject: RE: Ned of the Hill Chords (Sean Cannon)
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 13 Sep 11 - 01:11 PM

Good question.

Subject: RE: Ned of the Hill Chords (Sean Cannon)
From: GUEST,999
Date: 13 Sep 11 - 05:44 PM

Leeneia, do you know how many versions of this song there are? Both you and Dick have said it can be done unaccompanied, some sites have it in a minor key, the one GUEST wants in a major key: well, now I'm confused.

BTW, I loved your "don't drink and type" remark. I too almost lost some coffee to the keyboard.

The first time I came to Mudcat it took me about two weeks to find the site again. Maybe that's what happened to the OP.

BFN

Subject: yrRE: Ned of the Hill Chords (Sean Cannon)
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 13 Sep 11 - 10:54 PM

Here are some lyrics and a phonetic guide


Eamonn an Chnoic

Ce he sin a-muigh, a bhfuil faobhar ar a ghuth
Ag rea-badh mo dhor-ais dhun-ta?
Mi-se Eamonn an Chnoic a-ta ba-te fuar fliuch
O-shior shiu-il sleibh-te is gleann-ta
A laoigh dhil is a chu-id cad a dhean-fainn-se duit
Nur-a gcuir-finn ort binn de no ghun-a
'Sgo bhfuil pud-ar go tiubh a shior shei-deadh leat
Is go mbei-mis a-r-a-on mu-cht-a

Is fa-da mi-se a-muigh fa-oi shneach-ta 's faoi shioc
Is gan dan-acht ag-am ar a-o-n neach
Mo sheis-reach gan scor, mo bhran-ar-gan chur
Is gan iad ag-am ar a-on chor
Nil car-aid ag-am is dan-aid liom san
A ghlac-fadh me mo-ch na de-a-nach
Is go gcaith-fidh me dul th-ar fa-rrai-ge soir
O is ann nach bhfuil aon de m' gha-olta


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•by Eleanor_D on September 6th, 2010 Answerbag

.Ulster pronunciation

Kay-hay shin a-mwee, a will fweear air ah ggoo
Ah ray-boo muh ggor-ish ggoon-tah?
Mi-sha Ay-mon a Hkrik a-taw baw-cha fooar flyukh
Oh heer byoo-il shlayv-ta iss glan-ta
A lee yil iss a khw-idge kod a yayn-hin-shi dich
Mu-ra gur-hin ort bin deh muh ggoon-ah,
Sgo will pood-ar go tyoov aw heeir hay-joo lyat
Iss go meh-mish a-ree-ee-in moo-kht-a

Iss-fah-dah mi-sha a-mwee fw-ee h'nokh-tass fwee hyuk
Iss gon dawn-okht og-um air a-y-on nyakh
Muh hesh-rakk gon skor, muh vran-ar nyakh,
Muh hesh-rakh gon skor, muh vran-ar gon khur
Iss gon ayad og-um air ay-on khor
Neel kar-id og-um iss dan-id lum san
Ah gglack-oo may mo-kh naw ja-y-nokh
Iss go guy-hee may dul h-ar fa-ri-ga shir
O' iss on nokh wil ayon deh muh gge-elta

Subject: RE: Ned of the Hill Chords (Sean Cannon)
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 14 Sep 11 - 11:50 AM

Hello, 999. I know of two tunes for 'Ned of the Hill.' One is in my 'O'Neill's Music of Ireland.' It is the 1903 edition, which contains music collected in Chicago 1890-1900.

Number 133 has the two titles Eamun a Cnuic and Ned of the Hill, so there's no doubt what it is. It's marked 'slow' and it has a plaintive sound. It's not actually minor, but I can see how a person would assume it is.

Just to make things more complicated, the index says that that tune is also known as:



The other tune is the one Sean Cannon is singing. To me, that is the tune for 'Lambs in the Green Fields.'

Subject: RE: Ned of the Hill Chords (Sean Cannon)
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 14 Sep 11 - 12:07 PM

You can see the sticks & dots and the abc for the old tune (O'Neill's 133) here:

http://abcnotation.com/tunePage?a=www.abc-notation.com/abcs/o1/o1-0133/o1-0133-1/0000

In my opinion, it's been transmogrified from a song to a bravura fiddle piece.

Subject: RE: Ned of the Hill Chords (Sean Cannon)
From: The Sandman
Date: 14 Sep 11 - 12:21 PM

Subject: RE: Chord Req: 'lambs in greenfields'
From: GUEST,leeneia - PM
Date: 08 Sep 09 - 12:31 PM

Okay. I'll try again. On the version below, there should be a D over 'play.' If there isn't, the chords have moved again during the submission process.

If so, go to the column below, copy the lyrics to the first verse and put the chord symbol that FOLLOWS the word ABOVE the word.


       A D   A          E    A                  D
The lambs on the green hills, they sport and they play
    E         A    E   A    D       A   D
And many strawberries grow round the salt sea
    A D            E      A       D
How sad is my heart when my love is away
    A          E             D A
How many's the ship sails the o-cean
=========
lambs - A

on -D

the A

hills E

they A

play D

ma- E

-ber- A

-ies E

grow A

round D

the A

sea D


sad A

is D

when E

my A
-way D

ma- A

ship E

o- D

-cean A

I should mention that the song is in 3/4 time and the key is A.

If you listen to the link where Emmylou sings this song with Chieftains, you will hear her exercising a professional's technique on the word 'play.' She sings 'pleh' with a short e, as in 'red.' That's because the long A sound is a diphthong (eh-ee) and she simply stays with the first element of it on that very high, exposed, final note of the phrase.

In choirs, we do this in order to keep everyone on the same vowel. If we don't, the note sounds out of tune.

I have heard Steve Goodman, as well, change a final long A to short E at the end of a phrase.

Subject: RE: Ned of the Hill Chords (Sean Cannon)
From: The Sandman
Date: 14 Sep 11 - 12:35 PM

Ned of the Hill



Two English versions follow. We're not sure which one Chris was most familiar with.
NED OF THE HILL



Oh dark is the evening and silent the hour

Oh who is that minstrel by yon shady tower

Whose harp is so tenderly touching with skill

Oh who could it be but young Ned of the Hill

And he sings, "Lady love, will you come with me now

Come and live merrily under the bough

I'll pillow your head where the light fairies tread

If you will but wed with young ned of the Hill"



Young Ned of the Hill has no castle or hall

No bowmen or spearmen to come at his call

But one little archer of exquisite skill

Has loosed a bright shaft for young Ned of the Hill

It is hard to escape to this young lady's bower

For high is the castle and guarded the tower

But where there's a will there's always a way

And young Eileen is gone with young ned of the Hill

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvfOF8VFMvE

Subject: RE: Ned of the Hill Chords (Sean Cannon)
From: The Sandman
Date: 14 Sep 11 - 12:39 PM

The version of the song that i sang uses mainly two chords tonic and sub dominant with dominant on the last line on ned, as i said earlier i prefer to use power chords, or modal dyads,2 note chords without a third so they are neither major or minor.

Subject: RE: Ned of the Hill Chords (Sean Cannon)
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 14 Sep 11 - 01:26 PM

Is this the same tune as Jock Stewart? mg

Subject: RE: Ned of the Hill Chords (Sean Cannon)
From: The Sandman
Date: 14 Sep 11 - 01:34 PM

Subject: RE: Ned of the Hill Chords (Sean Cannon)
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Sep 11 - 01:52 PM

"The first time I came to Mudcat it took me about two weeks to find the site again. Maybe that's what happened to the OP."

^ This exactly haha. I couldn't even find my own thread! Hopeless!

Many apologies, but also many thanks, this site is truely fantastic, (whenever I can find it!). Particularly @Good Soldier Schweik thankyou very much for those detailed chords! Will try them out as soon as I've got my guitar back! Also thanks to 999 and leeneia for the input and to everyone for the help and patience!

@ From: GUEST,999
Date: 12 Sep 11 - 04:59 PM

GUEST: I will post the chords to the version you requested a bit later tonight or early tomorrow. That is, the one in the video done by Sean Cannon.

I would be very interested to see what you came up with 999, as I said I'm just a beginner when it comes to this stuff :D

Thanks again
- OP

Subject: RE: Ned of the Hill Chords (Sean Cannon)
From: Stewart
Date: 19 Sep 11 - 03:38 PM

Here's my version of Ned of the Hill
played on fiddle and sung a capella

lyrics
and musical notation


Cheers, S. in Seattle

Subject: RE: Ned of the Hill Chords (Sean Cannon)
From: Stewart
Date: 19 Sep 11 - 04:21 PM

Here are some notes on the ballad and "the earliest [version] yet discovered, taken from a manuscript of the year 1726, of which a variant was printed by Bartlett Cooke in 1794" (from http://www.libraryireland.com/IrishMusic/XIX-2.php)

Cheers, S. in Seattle

Subject: RE: Ned of the Hill Chords (Sean Cannon)
From: The Sandman
Date: 20 Sep 11 - 01:04 PM

sorry, I disagree, if the player plays it in drop d, not standard,
to my ears that first chord should be d,or d modal
the b minor is too lush ,likewise i do not like f#minor, i am not saying its wrong but not what i would use, neither would i use some of those e minors,
however, Stewart, you have done a good job it is very accurate, good notation of the melody, and your layout is really clear and the chords are good, sometimes chords are a matter of taste and there can be a couple of options.

Subject: RE: Ned of the Hill Chords (Sean Cannon)
From: Stewart
Date: 20 Sep 11 - 02:10 PM

Schweik,the choice of chords probably relates more to the way the singer interprets the song. I came up with those chords a long time ago, but since I sing the song a capella now I haven't really thought about them in quite a while. I have no strong feelings about these chords. And it's interesting that I don't follow my notated melody exactly the same either. It's sort of evolved over time to my current interpretation of the song.

Cheers, S. in Seattle

Subject: RE: Ned of the Hill Chords (Sean Cannon)
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Sep 11 - 07:51 PM

Hi Guys,
A lot of these type songs are much better sung with no chords/ no guitar . Give the guitar a rest and just get into the song, much more room for expression. Why let the guitar spoil a good song?