Obit: Moammar Ghadaffi (1942-2011)

Subject: Obit: Moammar Gadhafi
From: Sawzaw
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 10:32 AM

Libyan dictator Moammar Gadhafi, the most wanted man in the world, has been killed, the country's rebel government claimed today.

The flamboyant tyrant who terrorized his country and much of the world during his 42 years of despotic rule was cornered by insurgents in the town of Sirte, where Gadhafi had been born and a stronghold of his supporters.

The National Transition Council said that its fighters found and shot Gadhafi in Sirte, which finally fell to the rebels today after weeks of tough fighting.

Word of Gadhafi's death triggered celebrations in the streets of Tripoli with insurgent fighters waving their weapons and dancing jubilantly.

The White House and NATO said they were unable to confirm reports of his death.

Subject: RE: Obit: Moammar Ghadaffi
From: GUEST,999
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 10:41 AM

Here's to hoping the reports haven't been exaggerated and that all our troops can now come home.

Subject: RE: Obit: Moammar Ghadaffi
From: BTNG
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 10:42 AM

as you and the USA say his death has not been confirmed, in the words of the British newspaper, The Independent "details are hazy" except it seems in the Daily Torygraph and Reuters, who, of course got their information from the NTC, who being the "victors" would of course say things like this, they have this need to please the world, and, of course obtain funds.

Subject: RE: Obit: Moammar Ghadaffi
From: saulgoldie
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 10:56 AM

Meh, two octogenerian bad guys. Whether they might have done any more evil is open to discussion. However, they both profoundly changed the way we live our lives in the Western world. So they may not have "won the war." But they left their mark. And they were both in ways creations of that Western world.

Saul

Subject: RE: Obit: Moammar Ghadaffi
From: artbrooks
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 11:08 AM

There are photos at cnn.com that are allegedly Gadhafi, but no independent confirmation yet.

BTW, he would have been 70 next year, so not quite an octogenarian yet.

Subject: RE: Obit: Moammar Ghadaffi
From: Ebbie
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 11:08 AM

Octogenarian? Who is/was an octogenarian?

Subject: RE: Obit: Moammar Ghadaffi
From: BTNG
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 11:09 AM

another "reliable source" CNN (tongue planted firmly in cheek)

Subject: RE: Obit: Moammar Ghadaffi
From: Sawzaw
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 11:17 AM

"all our troops can now come home" Are there troops in Libya?

Obama said "there will be no boots on the ground in Libya" but:

Reuters' Mark Hosenball reports that President Obama issued a secret order authorizing unspecified covert support for the opposition to Moammar Gadhafi. Mark Mazzetti and Eric Schmitt of the New York Times add that for several weeks, CIA operatives have been on the ground in Libya, contacting the rebels and gathering targeting information for the air war.

Maybe they are wearing sneakers.

Subject: RE: Obit: Moammar Ghadaffi
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 11:17 AM

The news seems to be more solid now and the White House has made an announcement about the "post-Qaddafi era."

New York Times article.

SRS

Subject: RE: Obit: Moammar Ghadaffi
From: Sawzaw
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 11:19 AM

an octogenarian is a very old octopus.

Subject: RE: Obit: Moammar Ghadaffi
From: BTNG
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 11:21 AM

"Maybe they are wearing sneakers."

camouflaged of course

Subject: RE: Obit: Moammar Ghadaffi
From: GUEST,999
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 11:26 AM

Yeah. Camouflaged as boots!

Subject: RE: Obit: Moammar Ghadaffi
From: BTNG
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 11:30 AM

heavily disguised as the army boots someone's mother wears.....

Subject: RE: Obit: Moammar Ghadaffi
From: GUEST,999
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 11:37 AM

AND, that's 'mother' the adjective, not the noun.

Subject: RE: Obit: Moammar Ghadaffi
From: Jeri
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 11:40 AM

I think it's still a noun.

Subject: RE: Obit: Moammar Ghadaffi
From: GUEST,999
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 11:57 AM

You're right, but a rose by any other name would smell as sweet, and a chrysanthemum by any other name would be easier to spell.

Subject: RE: Obit: Moammar Ghadaffi
From: olddude
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 11:57 AM

covert guys are always on the ground everywhere ... forget what anyone on the news or DOD says .. They are always behind the scenes. They are invisible but there

Subject: RE: Obit: Moammar Ghadaffi
From: GUEST,999
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 11:58 AM

When they stop being invisible they stop being.

Subject: RE: Obit: Moammar Ghadaffi
From: Beer
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 12:00 PM

Not Sneakers... There called "Hush Puppies."
ad.

Subject: RE: Obit: Moammar Ghadaffi
From: open mike
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 12:29 PM

hey--the topic of this thread is Ghadaffi--
let's get back on topic..
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/2011/10/20/2011-10-20_report_exlibyan_leader_moammar_khadafy_possibly_captured_killed_in_libya.html

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/2011/10/20/2011-10-20_photo_shows_bloody_battered_former_libyan_leader_moammar_khadafy_ntc_claims.html

Subject: RE: Obit: Moammar Ghadaffi
From: GUEST,999
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 12:42 PM

"hey--the topic of this thread is Ghadaffi--
let's get back on topic.."

Right away. No problem. Si, si. Your wish is . . . .

Muammar Muhammad Abu Minyar al-Gaddafi cleverly disguised as hush puppies.

Subject: RE: Obit: Moammar Ghadaffi
From: Cool Beans
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 12:47 PM

Buh-bye!

Subject: RE: Obit: Moammar Ghadaffi
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 12:50 PM

No doubt the human rights ninnies will be whinging!

Subject: RE: Obit: Moammar Ghadaffi
From: BTNG
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 01:29 PM

Bonzo stop creating trouble where there is none

Subject: RE: Obit: Moammar Ghadaffi
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 01:39 PM

I'll say what I see fit to say lad.

Subject: RE: Obit: Moammar Ghadaffi
From: Charmion
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 01:47 PM

It would appear that he is, indeed, dead. The Prime Minister of Canada has just announced the imminent closure of our participation in Operation Unified Protector, the NATO arms embargo and air campaign in Libya.

Subject: RE: Obit: Moammar Ghadaffi
From: GUEST,999
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 01:58 PM

Let's hope it not like the withdrawal of our troops from Afghanistan slated for this past February. Now it's sometime in 2014.

Subject: RE: Obit: Moammar Ghadaffi
From: BTNG
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 01:58 PM

I never did like trouble makers, of any political stripe...laddie...

still I wonder if we haven't exchaned one set of evils for another, with support from the west...it's not like it hasn't happened before

Subject: RE: Obit: Moammar Ghadaffi
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 02:27 PM

Have watched the footage on the TV. I know he was a tyrant etc etc, but I found it quite barbaric shooting a man in cold blood, dragging him onto a truck and watching him die like a dog covered in blood. Why could they not have brought him to justice in a civilised way? It's not that I have any sympathy for his regime, but I've been to Libya before all this started, the people I met seemed so courteous and urbane. Could such barbarism occur here in UK I wonder?

Subject: RE: Obit: Moammar Ghadaffi
From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 02:27 PM

Ho hum.

Okay, the latest "most dangerous man in the world"....(Oh, Ahhh... Ha! Ha! Ha! Rolling on the floor laughing at that hilarious bit of hyperbole...)

...the latest New World Order media boogeyman extraordinaire who has been selected to temporarily serve as a focal point for everyone's hatred, loathing, and paranoia appears to have met his inevitable end...an end which became inevitable when he was labelled as "the most dangerous man in the world" by the western media. Remember Saddam Hussein? Remember Osama Bin Laden? They're dead too. And the poor and downtrodden are still the poor and downtrodden even though they are gone.

It's sort of like "the sexiest man in the world" (you'll see that every year at the grocery store checkout on the cover of People Magazine)...only it's MUCH more dangerous to be the "most dangerous man" than it is to be the "most sexy man"! It almost guarantees a violent demise, accompanied by much USA/Nato military activity, widespread civilian death, lotsa cruise missiles and jets, and massive destruction of social infrastructure in some Third World country.

Yup. He's probably gone, folks. It's now time to rub your hands in glee over the elimination of the latest media-manufactured AntiChrist....sit back...have a celebratory beer or two...and start feeling those nagging worries creeping slowly back to haunt you...

WHO will be the next "most dangerous man in the world"? WHEN will we find out WHO he is? When will we FEAR the terrible danger his presence poses to our entire way of life!?! When the corporate media tells us WHO he is, that's when. I wonder? Will it be Assad? Or maybe Ahmadinejad? Or maybe someone new whose name we don't even know yet?

Just wait! He's coming. You need him. Be afraid. Be VERY afraid. ;-D

Get ready for more hysterical media Hoo-Hah and ridiculous hyperbole when he arrives. It's better than the soap operas used to be, and it lasts almost as long.

Subject: RE: Obit: Moammar Ghadaffi (1942-2011)
From: olddude
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 02:47 PM

nothing changes it never does

Subject: RE: Obit: Moammar Ghadaffi (1942-2011)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 03:25 PM

Damn! Now who will the British defence industry sell its weapons to?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Obit: Moammar Ghadaffi (1942-2011)
From: gnu
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 03:27 PM

So, his body double is dead and Quackdaffy, Saddammy and Binny are sipping drinks in an island paradise with virgins servicing them? Nice work if you can get it.

And, yeah... bring the troops home? Right. Sure.

Subject: RE: Obit: Moammar Ghadaffi (1942-2011)
From: BTNG
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 04:04 PM

Subject: RE: Obit: Moammar Ghadaffi
From: open mike - PM
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 12:29 PM

hey--the topic of this thread is Ghadaffi--
let's get back on topic..
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/2011/10/20/2011-10-20_report_exlibyan_leader_moammar_khadafy_possibly_captured_killed_in_libya.html

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/2011/10/20/2011-10-20_photo_shows_bloody_battered_former_libyan_leader_moammar_khadafy_ntc_claims.html


hmmmm...isn't the NY Daily News a Murdoch paper....?

Subject: RE: Obit: Moammar Ghadaffi (1942-2011)
From: Mrrzy
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 05:37 PM

No loss from this point of view...

But at least we can stop arguing about how to spell Kadaffi, since it's spelled squiggle squiggle dot dot backwards anyway!

Subject: RE: Obit: Moammar Ghadaffi (1942-2011)
From: BTNG
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 06:01 PM

Muammar Muhammad Abu Minyar al-Gaddafi مُعَمَّر القَذَّافِي Muʿammar al-Qaḏḏāf

Subject: RE: Obit: Moammar Ghadaffi (1942-2011)
From: olddude
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 06:15 PM

Looks to me like the wound that got him was not from an exchange of fire as stated. However it is still possible ... that looks exactly like a 9mm handgun shot to the head. However his body guards did carry 9MM sidearms so he could have caught one during the exchange. An AK 47 would have taken his head off and the fact that there is no exit wound suggests to me a 9 mm sidearm, that and the size of the entry wound.

Subject: RE: Obit: Moammar Ghadaffi (1942-2011)
From: BTNG
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 06:17 PM

ahhh the coroners report

Subject: RE: Obit: Moammar Ghadaffi (1942-2011)
From: Ed T
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 06:20 PM

Hugo Chavez, only a few weeks ago

Subject: RE: Obit: Moammar Ghadaffi (1942-2011)
From: BTNG
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 06:25 PM

I expect the Americans will be looking for a new irritant in the Arab world

Subject: RE: Obit: Moammar Ghadaffi (1942-2011)
From: olddude
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 06:54 PM

Syria for sure ... probably already have eyes on the ground there

Subject: RE: Obit: Moammar Ghadaffi (1942-2011)
From: Bugsy
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 08:27 PM

Here's the link to Channel 7 Australia news.

7 News report

There's an interesting bit around 1min 26sec where a rebel says, "We shot him, SOMEBODY shot him....." I think he may have engaged the mouth before the brain there.


Cheers

Bugsy

Subject: RE: Obit: Moammar Ghadaffi (1942-2011)
From: Ron Davies
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 08:55 PM

"looking for a new irritant".    Brilliant.   No question, that's what Obama needs most right now--another controversial and expensive intervention, with War Powers Resolution redux as a bonus.

No wonder folkies have such a sterling reputation as foreign policy analysts.

Subject: RE: Obit: Moammar Ghadaffi (1942-2011)
From: Bobert
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 09:00 PM

Another dummie dictator bites the dust...

Momar, nomar...

Bye...

B~

Subject: RE: Obit: Moammar Ghadaffi (1942-2011)
From: BTNG
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 09:21 PM

history dictates that the Americans are always getting up someone's nose over something, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq anyone, they tried Iran, but the Canadians (bless!) had to pull them out of that one. Syria..? hmmmm...oh but wait, they might fight back...nope not Syria, but you never know, the idiot gene might kick in again

and then where WILL we be...?

Subject: RE: Obit: Moammar Ghadaffi (1942-2011)
From: Bobert
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 09:31 PM

I don't recall the US being the instigators here...

Korea??? Yeah... Vietnam??? Yes... Iraq??? Yes... Afghanistan??? Yes...

Libya??? Nah...

B~

Subject: RE: Obit: Moammar Ghadaffi (1942-2011)
From: BTNG
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 09:59 PM

I didn't mention Libya...hmmmmm...we'll see

Subject: RE: Obit: Moammar Ghadaffi (1942-2011)
From: Ron Davies
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 10:11 PM

"history dictates"    Another imaginative folkie.   Too bad the grasp of history is not the best.

And don't worry, Syria--and your new favorite dictator-- will be safe.    Perhaps you don't recall that the Security Council (thanks to absentions by China and Russia) authorized a Libyan intervention.   Otherwise Obama was not about to step in.   Whether you realize it or not, there was a US election in 2008--perhaps you missed it---and GWB is no longer president.

But of course all of that was in a newspaper, and folkies know you can never trust what is in a newspaper.

Subject: RE: Obit: Moammar Ghadaffi (1942-2011)
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 21 Oct 11 - 03:39 AM

I always got in a muddle with the d's and the f's in Gadaffi (still not sure now!). Seriously, although he won't be missed I was unsure about watching him being hauled out all bloody by a baying crowd many children would have been around at that time watching. Whether that is a good or a bad thing is disputable. On the otherhand if he had been put on trial would he have admitted to knowledge about Lockerbie? Some how I doubt it.

Subject: RE: Obit: Moammar Ghadaffi (1942-2011)
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 21 Oct 11 - 05:37 AM

Muammar Gadfly ?

Dave H