Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile of BBC [2011]

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: Musket
Date: 11 Oct 12 - 10:55 AM

CS. I would agree normally.

However, and please don't take this as being flippant. If it is in The Daily M*il, that doesn't mean anything other than a story to sell a paper. A nephew hasn't said anything. A newspaper that is known to tell lies, twist peoples' words and when all else fails makes them up has quoted his nephew. His nephew may have said what he did, and may have meant it but to tell that rag, you just cannot take it at face value. Both he and the paper have ulterior motive in saying such things, true or otherwise.

In light of the source, my comments still stand.

Saville may be whatever he was, but I'm not going to alter the weighting I give to Dacre's book of bullshit just because of the topic in question.

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish
Date: 11 Oct 12 - 11:05 AM

Musket, nearly ALL newspapers twist people's words, come ON! Most of them are Rags. Don't be so selective.

Janet Street-Porter blowing the whistle....

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Oct 12 - 11:07 AM

All things considered,
perhaps the monster was sealed for all time in a steel casket
buried under a deep layer of concrete
as a precaution to prevent him getting back out again !!!???

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish
Date: 11 Oct 12 - 11:13 AM

If anyone crossed this man, I'd imagine they so came to know about it....I should think he was able to instill a lot of fear into his victims.

When Louis Met Jimmy - Full Documentary

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Jim'll fuck it
Date: 11 Oct 12 - 11:19 AM

Dark side of celebrity charity collector:

http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMjMxOTk4NjIwNl5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwNTc1MzQyNw@@._V1._SX640_SY526_.jpg

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: Jack Campin
Date: 11 Oct 12 - 11:21 AM

The issue is that it was easier to put up with him than to crucify a role model in the public's eye.

Lance Armstrong - the Jimmy Savile of cycling.

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Jim'll fuck it
Date: 11 Oct 12 - 11:25 AM

Philanthropic voluntary youth work:

http://theredlist.fr/media/database/muses/icon/cinematic_men/1920/lon_chaney/08_lon_chaney-theredlist.jpg

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 11 Oct 12 - 12:07 PM

"In light of the source, my comments still stand."

I think that's fair enough Musket. In particular, The Mail do not offer a direct quotation from Marsden, which I would have been happier with myself than his supposed statement asserting 'many other family members were aware', being paraphrased by them. Also, thus far, no other paper has followed up his story to my knowledge, though I may be wrong on that.

That said, and purely for the sake of pedantry, I think Keith's point wasn't that we necessarily know for certain that all members of Savile's family were aware of his past, but merely that there was "some reason" to believe that others apart from the nephew interviewed, *may have* known.

Not being in any position to know the truth myself, I'm unwilling to pass judgement either way. Yet I do not believe that these allegations should continue to remain secret, purely in order to protect members of Savile's extended family from being embarrassed, disillusioned or upset by them being finally revealed.

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: Silas
Date: 11 Oct 12 - 12:11 PM

I really do think Jo or a mudelf should change the thread title - it annoys me intensly to see 'RIP' 'Sir' and 'disc jockey'

Should just say - 'Jimmy Savile - rapist'

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 11 Oct 12 - 12:18 PM

For what it's worth Silas, the Sir is in fact an no longer applicable, as evidently the honorific in facts dies along with the deceased.

So much for Cameron's interventions regarding "stripping" Savile of his Knighthood, as there is no longer any Knighthood, to strip Savile of.

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 11 Oct 12 - 12:33 PM

But they are still Sir Francis Drake, Sir Walter Raleigh, Sir Lancelot of the Lake cont p 98, aren't they, tho dead for a much longer time? So he will presumably remain posthumously entitled to be known by the title unless formally posthumously deprived of such entitlement?

Not sure of the law here ~~ indeed, nobody seems to be. But it would do no harm, would it?, for a formal statement to come from The Court, to the effect that he should no longer be so referred to.

~M~

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Oct 12 - 12:54 PM

This makes interesting reading http://timesopinion.tumblr.com/post/32804536645/jimmy-saviles-affections-laid-bare-by-jimmy-savile?fb_action_ids=210412662423117


I think it's also somehow approriate that he was buried in a coffin which was painted to look like something it wasn't - it looked like gold but the image was just a tawdry veneer

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Blowzabella sans cookie
Date: 11 Oct 12 - 12:57 PM

Sorry - that Guest at 12.54 was me

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: The Sandman
Date: 11 Oct 12 - 04:24 PM

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish - PM
Date: 11 Oct 12 - 11:13 AM

If anyone crossed this man, I'd imagine they so came to know about it....I should think he was able to instill a lot of fear into his victims.

When Louis Met Jimmy - Full Documentary
thanks lizzie

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Oct 12 - 05:55 PM

I knew I had seen it somewhere!

Some rape victims should take the blame

I wonder how many of Saville, Glitter and Co.'s victims were complicit in their own abuse by wearing the wrong clothes, gushing over celebrities and behaving inappropriately?

Long thread. Too long to wade through but I suggest some people look at it closely to see who was supporting that view. :-(

DtG

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Oct 12 - 03:01 AM

It was in The Mail and Mail on Sunday and has not been challenged.
Also
Telegraph 4 days ago
This weekend his nephew Guy Marsden reportedly said that at the age of 13 he was taken to parties at which men abused children as young as 10.

Mirror 5 days ago
Yesterday, Savile's nephew Guy Marsden, now 59, told how at 13 his famous uncle took him to "paedophile parties" where he believes girls and boys as young as 10 were abused. He said he and teenage friends were asked to befriend the even younger victims, although he was not a victim himself.

London evening Standard.
His nephew Guy Marsden said he warned the only two family members who had arranged for it to be put up that it was in "bad taste" and "a terrible idea".
Detectives have revealed that about 120 leads are being followed up, with five police forces involved. Scotland Yard says up to 25 young girls were allegedly targeted by the presenter over a period dating back to 1959.
The triple tombstone, put up last month in Scarborough cemetery, was taken to a stonemason's yard in Leeds where it will be ground down and sent to landfill. Marsden, 58, said: "That should never have gone up.
"Only one niece and nephew out of the entire family, and there are about two dozen of us, decided to put that thing up."
The roofer from Leeds said some members of the family were aware of the allegations against him but chose to celebrate his memory.
"There was talk about it being put up. I told them it was a bad idea as all of this stuff would one day come out and it'd look terrible. It had my mum's name on it too which sickened me. At least 12 of us wanted nothing to do with him."

MalaysianDigest


Guy Marsden, pictured left aged eight, and right aged 59 today, says when he was 13 his uncle Jimmy started taking him to 'paedophile parties'.A NEPHEW of Sir Jimmy Savile yesterday told how his celebrity uncle attended 'paedophile parties'.

Guy Marsden was just 13 when 'Uncle Jimmy' took him to a wealthy celebrity's house in London in 1967 for the first of many sordid social gatherings.

Over the next 18 months, Guy and his friends went to numerous 'parties' where he believes men sexually abused girls and boys as young as ten. Savile was at many of these events, he said.

Guy and his teenage friends were used as 'intermediaries' to hang out with the younger victims. Guy, now 59, said the youngsters would disappear into the bedrooms with men and return later.
He said there were 'never any women' at the parties and although he didn't see any sexual abuse, it was 'perfectly obvious' what was happening. Several household names from the world of showbusiness were party regulars.

Guy said Savile sometimes arrived with a man dressed as a priest and he believed the young victims may have come from an orphanage or children's home.

He has regularly spoken to friends about his experiences in the late 1960s, but no one took him seriously until this week's revelations.

'I have loved all this coming out about Jimmy and I feel guilty I didn't do something about it earlier,' he told the Mail yesterday.

After Savile died last year, Guy was one of the relatives who publicly praised him. But he knew he was being a hypocrite. 'I felt as low and as bad as you can get not saying anything.'

Other members of Savile's family spoke out last week to condemn a TV programme alleging the DJ sexually abused teenage girls, but the nephew said many relatives were aware of his sordid past.

The roofer from Leeds later married and he now has four children and ten grandchildren with his wife Anne.

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Martin
Date: 12 Oct 12 - 03:26 AM

Interesting that the Royal Marines acted as the guard of honour at Saviles funeral, they even carried his coffin with his honorary green beret and medal.

Today they announced, they are removing his name from their honorary roll. This on a day seven Royal Marines were arrested for murder. Nice attempt to cover their own little indiscretion.

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 12 Oct 12 - 03:40 AM

He was a Sociopath, as I said above:



Profile of the Sociopath


BBC - Sociopaths (Yes, they could even have looked it up on their own website!)

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Oct 12 - 03:54 AM

With the Marines he had no scope for child abuse.
How would they know any more than the rest of us what he was?

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Oct 12 - 09:49 AM

Civilian Saville's honourary Marines awards
were nothing more than the Regiment's equivalent
of giving him a Blue Peter badge
for completing their most difficult training yomp.

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 13 Oct 12 - 05:48 AM

I agree with Silas and the title of this thread should be changed.

When I started this thread, I had no idea what an evil person he was, and would not have started it, armed with the facts that are coming out.

I feel many adults let these young children down, by not reporting him. How he got away with it, is just beyond belief.

Maybe the thread could be changed to just "Jimmy Savile :-("

Shortened, but the job and country were left for readers who aren't from the UK. --mudelf

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Martin
Date: 13 Oct 12 - 06:26 AM

The BBC has just reported they are to be sued by a number of his victims. I am pleased to see more and more brave people are coming forward to expose the extent of his deeds.

I feel the thread title should remain as an example of how people were duped. It shows how many paid their respects to a man who had been questioned by police on more than occasion and a known predator of children by many in the entertainment business, yet they remaine silent allowing him to practice his evil deeds because many felt he was above the law due to his political connections, charitable work and a BBC icon.

I think the news that Gary Glitter is planning a UK comeback tour in the Spring of 2013 to be untimely.

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 13 Oct 12 - 07:17 AM

There appears to be virtually nothing 'charitable' or professional this man has done, that he didn't exploit as an opportunity to molest children. Now abuse on the charity Variety's 'Sunshine Coaches' - for disabled and sick children - is coming to light.

I'm glad to hear the BBC shall be sued, this means taking evidence though the courts. Whatever the outcome, I believe it should help to draw a line under some of these events.

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 13 Oct 12 - 07:59 AM

Who the feck would go and see that odious twat garry glitter ?

Him along with saVile and freddy starr, are three people I took an instant dislike to 20 years ago or more, I suppose freddy was quite funny, but you wouldn't have let him near your kids.

Dave H

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: theleveller
Date: 13 Oct 12 - 08:31 AM

Just seen a story about the bloke who paid £160K for Savile's Rolls Royce. He is not a happy man. Probably no more than scrap value now.

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Eddie1 continuing sans cookie
Date: 13 Oct 12 - 08:59 AM

Seems he is about to be joined by someone I had REAL respect for!

John Peel?

Eddie

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 13 Oct 12 - 11:34 AM

Thanks mudelf

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: Rob Naylor
Date: 13 Oct 12 - 11:40 AM

Eddie1:

It's not news that John Peel had sex with under-age girls, either. His first wife was only 15 when they married (he knew this, and they both lied on the documentation to make it "legal"). He was 26 at the time.

And in a 1989 interview in the Guardian newspaper (which I still have somewhere) he waxed lyrical about the number of young women who used to queue up for sex with him when he was DJing in the USA. One of his quotes was "some of them were very young. It turned out that one of my "regulars" was 13, but she looked older".

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 13 Oct 12 - 12:43 PM

He even headed a Board of Managers for Broadmoor of all places. And was given his own set of gold-coloured keys. How in the name of Beelzebub did he manage that? It beggars belief.

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Oct 12 - 05:00 AM

"How about trying to make anti-Thatcherite capital out of it, hey Jim?"
No political capital Mike - Thatcher's fascist tendencies and mass-murderer friends were real and of concern to the British people.
Her party's rally to prevent Pinochet from being tried for holding thousands of his opponents at Santiago and later 'disappearing' them sums up pretty well British Conservatism with the mask off.
But then again, I would expect comparing the support for such a pair of monsters with child abuse from a Thatcherite - wouldn't I?
"All parties including Labour now agree that immigration has been at too high a level."
Still pumping the Iron Keith
"Not sure why Fatcher is essential to every thread."
I'm not sure why campaigns against immigration is essential to every (by you anyway) thread - but there you go
You'll have had your reply on "Fatcher" and her 'Savile' connections - as they say in Morningside - nice one Martin 'Lest We Forget'.
"Neither on this nor the previous thread have you shown any empathy or expressed any sympathy for the abused kids."
Yes he has - and he has not used them to attack an ethnic minority, unlike you
And your 'heart of stone' repetition in no way hides your persistent attempts to use abused girls as a stick to beat the poorest (and probably most law abiding) community in Britain - still present in this thread
I don't agree with all Don says, but I certainly share his distaste for the 'lynch Mob' mentality reflected here even before the presently known facts were uncovered.

Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: selby
Date: 14 Oct 12 - 05:54 AM

The thing that grips me in all this is that good old Jimmy is fiddling about therefore its alright, we will pretend its not happening. As for the Broadmoor caper it just beggars believe that you give the keys to a disc jockey. Who was the lunatic that suggested that then.
Saville has pulled off the biggest con trick ever and unfortunately got away with it, leaving damage every where he has been, including the charities he purported to help.
Keith

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 14 Oct 12 - 06:42 AM

As I suggested earlier, the high profile nature of this story has indeed enabled many people to seek to address abuse issues from their own pasts. From the Guardian:

"Pete Saunders, chief executive of the National Association for People Abused in Childhood (Napac), said its hotline had received 1,400 calls in the last 10 days – seven times its normal amount.
"If there is anything beneficial from this, it's that it's allowing victims and survivors of abuse to come forward and speak out,""

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/oct/13/jimmy-savile-victims-groups-calls?newsfeed=true

No better time for those charities associated to Savile to close up shop and donate remaning funds currently stagnating in banks, to abuse and mental health charities.

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 14 Oct 12 - 08:19 AM

Can you not get into your thick head, Jim, that I am NOT a Thatcherite?! I am not an anythingite. Unlike you who are a anti-everything-that-most-normal-people-hold-dearite like all you Lefties, I am a floating voter without a great interest in politics; but with a great interest in justice, which was something that Maggie could never hope to get from the likes of you-lot over there practically out of sight on the far left wing.

I still think it abusive on your part to drag her into a thread concerned with someone whom she, along with everyone else, chose to be socially civil to, which was about her sum involvement with this now-but-not-then-seen-to-be-iniquitous subject of the thread.

Why not just go and start another of your beloved ant-Thatch threads. so that I shan't have to bother to read it?

~M~

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 14 Oct 12 - 08:53 AM

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and looks like a duck.

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 14 Oct 12 - 09:33 AM

Most valuable contribution to the argument, Mr Bridge; well up to your customary intellectual standards.

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Oct 12 - 11:22 AM

"I am NOT a Thatcherite?"
Hate to be the bearer of bad news Mike but anybody who responds to descriptions of Thatcher's attitude to crimes against humanity and mass murder with "she did some good things" is not only a Thatcherite but an apologist for those human rights crimes and mass murder (and then scurries away hurridly) IS A THATCHERITE (or a poor political satirist - take your pick)
Then again - I could be wrong - maybe it's good old middle-class gallantry that causes you to spring to the lady's defence every time her crimes are mentioned.
As Richard says - "if it walks like a duck......"
Savile and his ilk sum up the values of Thatcher's Britain pretty well
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 14 Oct 12 - 11:38 AM

Oh, dear, Jim. What a bore you are. If you must turn this into another of your THATCH-BASH THREADS, I would just remark that her diplomatically motivated affability to Pinochet, which you never stop drivelling on about, was not in the same league of iniquity as all your predecessors' interminable sycophantic adulation of Stalin in the late 30s, even after all the facts about the Moscow Trials came out. No doubt you yourself, had you been around, would have been one of those arse-licking 'useful idiots', as dear old Uncle Joe was wont to call them.

Ho-hum.

Your turn...


Grits teeth and stifles yawn...

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: The Sandman
Date: 14 Oct 12 - 12:26 PM

i find it sickening that all the politicians[blair and thatcher] wanted to be seen with Saville.
There was a time when politicians HAD PRINCIPLES, most of them now, apart from those on the far left or far right, are just doing it as a money making career.

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Oct 12 - 01:13 PM

" I would just remark that her diplomatically motivated affability to Pinochet, which you never stop drivelling on about, was not in the same league of iniquity as all your predecessors'"
And I would remind you that despite your squalid little attempred witch-hunt failed miserably to establish a connection between me and any particular political philosophy - leaving you to resort to your protege's tactic of inventing one - I'm afraid your short spoon at the dinner party is showing
Nor does it let you off the hook for your adulation of a friend and admirer of a mass-murderer
Even if there was the slightest truth in your guestimation of my politics, it still wouldn't make any difference to the Lady's political aspirations
"Diplomatically motivated" - "my arseum" - fascist apologist to the last
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 14 Oct 12 - 01:17 PM

Duck

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 14 Oct 12 - 01:28 PM

Dave the Gnome asks if Savile's Glitters and Co's victims were complicit in their own abuse' by wearing the wrong clothes, gushing over celebrities, inappropriate behaviour..."
Young teenagers will always be starstruck by famous people, want the latest fashions and behave in a silly way until they become more mature. Is this ANY reason for a pervert to profit from this and go ahead to rape/abuse them?? It is NEVER the fault of the victim and ALWAYS the fault of the abuser. Paedophiles in Prison and online claim the children 'love it' and 'ask for it', 'it' meaning being raped. This reminds me of those who say women who are raped 'ask for it'. All teachers for example know that young pupils can get a 'crush' on them. They take great care to discourage it and to distance themselves from the child's emotional state. I'm very angry about this attitude that any paedophile can help himself to whatever arrives in front of him.

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Musket sans cookie
Date: 14 Oct 12 - 01:35 PM

Tempted to start another thread on Th*tcher so Jim Carroll can waffle on about a country he loves so much he buggered off.

This is about Saville, his sexual methods for gratification and control of vulnerable children and adults, and how society allowed him to get away with it because his image was too useful to destroy.

That goes to the heart of society, not the flavour of government for 10% of his life.

If you can twist Saville stories to include that bitch, you are no better than The Daily M*il and its excuse to use him for it's vendetta agenda against whatever the hell they hate this week.

You concentrate on buggering priests and allow those who haven't failed as UK citizens to worry about UK monsters.

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 14 Oct 12 - 01:59 PM

Nor does it let you off the hook for your adulation of a friend and admirer of a mass-murderer
Even if there was the slightest truth in your guestimation of my politics, it still wouldn't make any difference to the Lady's political aspirations
"Diplomatically motivated" - "my arseum" - fascist apologist to the last
Jim Carroll
Nor does it let you off the hook for your adulation of a friend and admirer of a mass-murderer
Even if there was the slightest truth in your guestimation of my politics, it still wouldn't make any difference to the Lady's political aspirations
"Diplomatically motivated" - "my arseum" - fascist apologist to the last
Jim Carroll
Nor does it let you off the hook for your adulation of a friend and admirer of a mass-murderer
Even if there was the slightest truth in your guestimation of my politics, it still wouldn't make any difference to the Lady's political aspirations
"Diplomatically motivated" - "my arseum" - fascist apologist to the last
Jim Carroll

Ho hum
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Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 14 Oct 12 - 02:02 PM

Jim, I must have read hundreds of your below the line posts.
They are all written from an extreme radical Left perspective.

That may mean nothing, but if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and looks like a duck.....

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 14 Oct 12 - 02:03 PM

Nor does it let you off the hook for your adulation of a friend and admirer of a mass-murderer
Even if there was the slightest truth in your guestimation of my politics, it still wouldn't make any difference to the Lady's political aspirations
"Diplomatically motivated" - "my arseum" - fascist apologist to the last
Jim Carroll
Nor does it let you off the hook for your adulation of a friend and admirer of a mass-murderer
Even if there was the slightest truth in your guestimation of my politics, it still w

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 14 Oct 12 - 02:23 PM

Nor does it let you off the hook for your adulation of a friend and admirer of a mass-murderer·····
.,,.
Treating a bit of your fatuities with a great deal more respect & attention than deserved, Jim ~~

kindly quote back to me anything I have ever posted that could conceivable be described or defined as 'adulation' of the person in question

and I will reward you with a nice big read apple

--- & just for once don't fall back on the cop-out of responding to a challenge to provide an example that isn't there so you can't find it and you know you can't, with some such face-saving idiocy as "life's too short" or some such oh-2-typical Carollian evasion···

Just for once?

Eh?

There's a dear fellow·····

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 14 Oct 12 - 02:41 PM

Look. Those of us who are left of centre are proud of our humanitarian position compared to the adulators of mammon and the nutball libertarians.

Those who persistently defend the authoritarian - indeed almost fascist - Thatcher deserve to be dubbed Thatcherites - and need to remember that most people now remember her with hate. She was an enemy of the workers and the unwaged. I see her as little if any better than Pol Pot.

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 14 Oct 12 - 03:38 PM

No ~~ YOU look, Mr Bridge ~~ and kindly consider what on earth makes you imagine yourself entitled to address me in that peremptory tone, you fatuous lefty upstart.

Hmmm?

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Oct 12 - 03:46 PM

You have consistently sprung to the defence of one of the most reactionary leaders Britain has had within living memory - men fighting for the right to earn a living - "the enemy within"; "there is no such thing as society", using the power given to her by the electorate to get her criminal son off the hook (after his having grassed on his mates) and maintaining a silence on her tying in Britain with a fascist dictator and mass killer (and finally describing her stance as "Diplomatically motivated") spinelessly reactionary and dishonest with it.
That'll do nicely, thank you.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 14 Oct 12 - 04:07 PM

Another thread hi-jacked by The Usual Fuckin' Suspects. Time for it to be closed, methinks.