'Occupy English Folk Music!'

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: Will Fly
Date: 01 Nov 11 - 07:27 AM

So I guess I don't really recognise the picture that's being painted of authoritarian traddies shoving singer songwriters on the flames and dancing round their burning corpses.

It's not a picture I've come across in my occasional perambulations around the country, to be honest - and never on the part of organisers of clubs, sessions, etc., who, on the whole, have been very tolerant of my nonsense. I have to say, however, that I've met one or two dogmatic and self-important characters from time to time who've insisted that "A" can only be played in the style of "X" and no variations are allowed. Tosh, of course, but you do meet them now and then...

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: Vic Smith
Date: 01 Nov 11 - 07:35 AM

Mr Fly,

May I remind you that I have booked you to play at my folk club on January 26th in the company of Mr. Day.

May I remind you, further, that the engagement can only go ahead if you are prepared to play "A" in the style of "X".

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 01 Nov 11 - 07:36 AM

Going back to Lizzies first posting...How can anyone "occupy" music? It's a bit like knitting fog IMHO.
Leaving all the discussions about running sessions/singarounds et al on one side for the moment. I would like to point out, that hideous place of "Died In The Wool" traddies (otherwise known as C# House.) presents regular concerts by new up and coming artists...God forbid, some of them are even young...and write their own songs! The sky is falling! What is the world coming to?
Now, what shall I listen to next. Sarah Makem or Extreme Noise Terror? Decisions, decisions...

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: Will Fly
Date: 01 Nov 11 - 07:39 AM

Oh Bugger! Chief-Inspector V. Smith (Folk Police, Sussex) has felt me collar...

Please sir - it wasn't me, it was Day.

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: Vic Smith
Date: 01 Nov 11 - 07:45 AM

To Sir William Fly KG.

Are you trying to tell me that I don't know knight from day?

V.SMITH
Chief Inspector
Sussex Folk Police

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: Will Fly
Date: 01 Nov 11 - 07:55 AM

Sir William Fly, eh? I like it! I hope you introduce me as that on 26th Jan...

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: Will Fly
Date: 01 Nov 11 - 07:57 AM

"KG", by the way, probably stands for "Knight of the Gutter".

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: johncharles
Date: 01 Nov 11 - 08:03 AM

How come V.SMITH Chief Inspector Sussex Folk Police is the only one on here with a BLUE pencil?

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: Vic Smith
Date: 01 Nov 11 - 08:11 AM

John Charles asked:-
"How come V.SMITH Chief Inspector Sussex Folk Police is the only one on here with a BLUE pencil?"

It's to go with The Blue Lamp

'Evening All.

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 01 Nov 11 - 08:18 AM

How come V.SMITH Chief Inspector Sussex Folk Police is the only one on here with a BLUE pencil?


Officers in the Folk Police are permitted to use colours to signify their rank.

J Freeman
Chief Constable
Norfolk Folk Police

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: Spleen Cringe
Date: 01 Nov 11 - 08:20 AM

You can have a blue pencil too, Johnncharles. I found one Inspector Smith dropped.

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: johncharles
Date: 01 Nov 11 - 08:24 AM

Is this a folk record or not
eye witness
john

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 01 Nov 11 - 08:24 AM

Seriously, JohnCharles, do it like this:

<font color=blue>A blue pencil</font>

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: Vic Smith
Date: 01 Nov 11 - 08:28 AM

Dear me, dear me.... rather a light shade of blue, wouldn't you say, PC Cringe? Not the regulation shade of Folk Police Blue at all, I'm afraid!

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 01 Nov 11 - 08:34 AM

Like this?

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: Spleen Cringe
Date: 01 Nov 11 - 08:40 AM

We like to take a Softly, Softly approach up here in the Manchester Division, Inspector Smith. The real hardnuts are the dreaded jazz police. You should see our dress uniform, though!

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: Vic Smith
Date: 01 Nov 11 - 08:53 AM

PC Cringe wrote:-
"The real hardnuts are the dreaded jazz police."

You're not kidding! Once I was trying to keep up with the rhythm on a really fast piece a jazz band was playing. I wasn't able to keep up with the speed the others were playing at. I didn't want to miss any notes but I could feel that things were slipping. Before I knew it I was behind bars.

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: johncharles
Date: 01 Nov 11 - 08:55 AM

if it was jazz how would anybody know?

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: Banjiman
Date: 01 Nov 11 - 09:07 AM

ah.......... but was is Jazz?????

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: johncharles
Date: 01 Nov 11 - 09:08 AM

where will it all end? this gratuitous use of colour and also may I say humour - allowing more than one guitarist into a music session, welcoming bohdran players, playing in tune banjos. The World turned upside down!

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 01 Nov 11 - 09:31 AM

Ah....and now we're talking Those GORGEOUS Oysters at long last.... :0)

;0)

Are they 'folk'....or a little too zingy for the zimmers I wonder..?

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: TheSnail
Date: 01 Nov 11 - 09:34 AM

Dear (Lord of the) Fly

I trust that when you lead the session at the John Harvey Tavern this evening you will play whatever you bloody well like however you bloody well like.

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: Will Fly
Date: 01 Nov 11 - 09:38 AM

Too bloody right!

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 01 Nov 11 - 09:42 AM

where will it all end? this gratuitous use of colour and also may I say humour - allowing more than one guitarist into a music session, welcoming bohdran players, playing in tune banjos. The World turned upside down!

Well it was fun but I see it's back to business as usual for this thread...

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: Will Fly
Date: 01 Nov 11 - 09:47 AM

Where did it say we welcomed bodhran players? Did I blink and miss it?

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: TheSnail
Date: 01 Nov 11 - 09:49 AM

Spleen Cringe

And I have changed my mind - I used to think the folk scene was crap when I first made the leap from listening to folk music on record to checking out live stuff, but now I think its just a bit odd - but often endearingly so.

I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.

Do you still think I'm a Folk Stalinist?

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: DMcG
Date: 01 Nov 11 - 09:49 AM

this evening you will play whatever you bloody well like however you bloody well like

Another club enforcing a policy ...

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: johncharles
Date: 01 Nov 11 - 10:00 AM

Jon OOps not meant seriously this one
"where will it all end? this gratuitous use of colour and also may I say humour - allowing more than one guitarist into a music session, welcoming bohdran players, playing in tune banjos. The World turned upside down!"
I own some guitars,a bass guitar, a banjo, a bodhran, a banjo, a ukulele, a melodeon, and an amplifier (the devils little helper).
I sometimes even get round to playing them.
If sussex wasn't so far away I would be on for the playing whatever you bloody well like session.
john

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: Spleen Cringe
Date: 01 Nov 11 - 10:00 AM

Can you be, Snail? Just for me?

No, I don't, any more. That was how it appeared to me at the time. I was wrong and I'm sorry.

(PS my relationship with folk music is/was more complicated than I let on in the post you've quoted, but I don't want to turn this thread into one about me... Suffice to say I've met some very nice folk enthusiasts over the past few years and my previous opinion of that world - partly based on much earlier attempted forays into it - has changed).

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: Mayet
Date: 01 Nov 11 - 10:02 AM

American Folk police St Patricks Day march

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: GUEST,999
Date: 01 Nov 11 - 10:53 AM

Canadian Folk Police

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: TheSnail
Date: 01 Nov 11 - 11:08 AM

Actually, John, it's a mainly trad English session ('coz that's what we like doing). That edict was specific to Messrs Fly and Day. You'd be welcome anyway but leave the amplifier behind. The bodhran will be useful as a drinks tray.

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: Spleen Cringe
Date: 01 Nov 11 - 11:15 AM

Meanwhile, back in Chorlton, we're having a screening of the Blues and Gospel Caravan on Thursday at the Beech (where the singaround happens). Rumour has it that the session afterwards will include a fair bit of blues amongst the usual folky fayre. Broadminded? I fear this
may happen...

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: GUEST,glueman
Date: 01 Nov 11 - 11:17 AM

While my own English folk tastes go no further than the traditional canon, I'm in no hurry to share a room with others of similar mind. This is mainly because I believe what I like is no more than taste, it certainly carries no more authenticity, importance, status than a song by The Sweet or Girls Aloud and I wouldn't like to be in a confined space with anyone who thought it might.

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: TheSnail
Date: 01 Nov 11 - 12:00 PM

Hi Spleen, could we settle for Kropotkin?

Drop in next time you're down this way.

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 01 Nov 11 - 12:57 PM

I own some guitars,a bass guitar, a banjo, a bodhran, a banjo, a ukulele, a melodeon, and an amplifier (the devils little helper).

Not too far off what I own. 2 acoustic guitars (one needs repair though), electric 5 string bass, tenor banjo, mandolin, octave mandolin/mandola, G/D melodeon, B/C button accordion (not got my head round playing that).

A small amplifier was used by one of the people in an Irish session I go to. He seems to have cured whatever the problem was with his (Hathway - it's a nice instrument) mandola now but for some reason, for some time he was struggling to get volume out of it. For his purpose of getting his sound level in line with the others in the room, I thought it worked quite well.

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 01 Nov 11 - 05:31 PM

Bad news the nudist colony rejected me - they said i was over qualified.

http://www.youtube.com/user/bigalwhittle?gl=GB&hl=en-GB#p/u/5/tPo2xjWYDUg



If you do succumb to Will's Fly charms, watch out for the whiskers.

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 01 Nov 11 - 07:22 PM

That's a jaunty little number, Al!

Unfortunately, I think that I should warn you that persons of a lewd disposition might misinterpret it. They might possibly think that it's about large Italian penises rather than poloni sausages. It's up to you, of course, but, in the light of that observation, you might want to re-write it ... possibly ... ?

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 01 Nov 11 - 08:54 PM

Its okay, Shimrod, I only play for people with refined characters, and of the highest moral standing. I think its important that folk music doesn't fall into the wrong hands.

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 02 Nov 11 - 05:32 AM

Too true, Al, too true!

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 02 Nov 11 - 11:47 AM

The trouble with using "Tide" as a washing powder is that it tends to shrink the threads.

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: BTNG
Date: 02 Nov 11 - 11:50 AM

"I think its important that folk music doesn't fall into the wrong hands"

an hour too late and a pound short

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: Joe Offer
Date: 02 Nov 11 - 03:54 PM

Oh, shit.
I see this has become another one of those threads. I'm getting lots of e-mails, asking why what this deleted, and why wasn't that deleted, and why don't we ban L..... C..... People, please ignore this thread. It's reserved for our usual nutters....

Actually, there are a number of very rational posts amidst the morass. Please ignore the nutter posts - there are too many to sort out. And you know, maybe if you see a thread titled "Occupy English Folk Music," you should be able to figure out it's going to be a stupid thread, and maybe you shouldn't take it too seriously.

I no longer handle "disciplinary" moderation. Max has appointed a new team to do that; and that gives me more time to do music research, which is my passion. I think you will find that the music research threads at Mudcat are as good as they've always been (and the stupid threads really aren't any stupider than they used to be). If you do have complaints or questions about "disciplinary" moderation, address them to [e-mail]. Better yet, just stay out of threads that are bound to be stupid, and you'll be a lot happier.

Oh, and if it's about music stuff, PermaThreads, technical stuff or correction of mistakes, or registration, I'm still [e-mail].

-Joe Offer, Mudcat Archivist-

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 02 Nov 11 - 05:47 PM

One of those questions is rational.

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 02 Nov 11 - 05:54 PM

Well, I'd just like to say that I haven't asked for any post to be removed, or anyone to be banned....

The fact that others have, is why we need to Occupy English Folk Music and take it back from the Humourless Ones...

;0)

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 02 Nov 11 - 05:56 PM

That has all the rationality and credibility that we might expect.

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From: peregrina
Date: 02 Nov 11 - 05:59 PM

If everyone who's been posting here about a metaphorical occupation took a few minutes to write an email to help save the Yorkshire Libraries Music and Drama service it would be really great.

You don't have to reside in Yorkshire to write in--or to use the service.

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Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Nov 11 - 06:09 PM

Did you know that the anagram of 'Occupy English Folk Music' is 'Cocks up mouse filchingly'?

No wonder there has been lots of keyboard activity if it cocks up everyones mouse...

Dave the Gnome
(A vehement god)

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 02 Nov 11 - 06:30 PM

It would be better if it were "felching".

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: Joe Offer
Date: 02 Nov 11 - 07:08 PM

That's right, Ms. Higgins. If you leave the trolls alone, they go away unhappy and bored and unsatisfied. If you have a shitfit about them, they get satisfied and your posts get removed. I know it's not fair, but life isn't fair. Live with it.

-Joe-