 sj |
||
|
||
Frozen Planet - censored for the USA
|
|
|
Subject: Frozen Planet - censored for the USA From: ChrisJBrady Date: 13 Dec 11 - 07:34 PM The final programme 7/7 by David Attenborough in the award winning definitive Frozen Planet series has been censored for showing in the USA. It can however be downloaded from a number of torrent sites, e.g. http://www.isohunt.com or viewed from BBC iPlayer (if overseas use ExpatShield first) at: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00zj39j/Frozen_Planet_On_Thin_Ice/ David Attenborough journeys to both polar regions to investigate what rising temperatures will mean for the people and wildlife that live there and for the rest of the planet. David starts out at the North Pole, standing on sea ice several metres thick, but which scientists predict could be open ocean within the next few decades. The Arctic has been warming at twice the global average, so David heads out with a Norwegian team to see what this means for polar bears. He comes face-to-face with a tranquilised female, and discovers that mothers and cubs are going hungry as the sea ice on which they hunt disappears. In Canada, Inuit hunters have seen with their own eyes what scientists have seen from space; the Arctic Ocean has lost 30% of its summer ice cover over the last 30 years. For some, the melting sea ice will allow access to trillions of dollars worth of oil, gas and minerals. For the rest of us, it means the planet will get warmer, as sea ice is important to reflect back the sun's energy. Next David travels to see what is happening to the ice on land: in Greenland, we follow intrepid ice scientists as they study giant waterfalls of meltwater, which are accelerating iceberg calving events, and ultimately leading to a rise in global sea level. Temperatures have also risen in the Antarctic - David returns to glaciers photographed by the Shackleton expedition and reveals a dramatic retreat over the past century. It is not just the ice that is changing - ice-loving adelie penguins are disappearing, and more temperate gentoo penguins are moving in. Finally, we see the first ever images of the largest recent natural event on our planet - the break up of the Wilkins Ice Shelf, an ice sheet the size of Jamaica, which shattered into hundreds of icebergs in 2009. ==== http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2011/11/15/frozen-planets-climate-ch_n_1094362.html "It is thought the episode of the BBC's hit nature documentary would be a particular turn-off for the US market, where climate change sceptics are a particularly vocal group." ==== http://www.green-blog.org/2011/11/25/us-media-censor-out-bbc-tv-frozen-planet-series-climate-change-episode/ http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/star-spangled-staggers/2011/11/episode-climate-series-bbc http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/8889541/BBC-drops-Frozen-Planets-climate-change-episode-to-sell-show-better-abroad.html ==== |
|
Subject: RE: Frozen Planet - censored for the USA From: Jack Campin Date: 13 Dec 11 - 07:38 PM Who did the censoring? |
|
Subject: RE: Frozen Planet - censored for the USA From: Rapparee Date: 13 Dec 11 - 08:12 PM 1. Shouldn't this be in the Lower Reaches? 2. I suspect that it's not so much that the US has censored it as that the BBC hasn't released it to the US market. |
|
Subject: RE: Frozen Planet - censored for the USA From: Stilly River Sage Date: 13 Dec 11 - 11:00 PM The U.S. isn't opposed to the idea of climate change, but some of our messy companies and highly-paid politicians oppose anything that makes industry better global citizens and reduces profits. SRS |
|
Subject: RE: Frozen Planet - censored for the USA From: Desert Dancer Date: 14 Dec 11 - 12:12 AM According to the article in the Telegraph (linked above), which I saw a while back, the Discovery channel's story is that "there were scheduling issues" so that they could not use all the episodes. BBC is packaging the series for release by networks outside the U.K. with the final episode as an optional extra. Grrr to 'em all (except Sir David). ~ Becky in Tucson |
|
Subject: RE: Frozen Planet - censored for the USA From: Richard Bridge Date: 14 Dec 11 - 03:42 AM I am horrified. |
|
Subject: RE: Frozen Planet - censored for the USA From: autolycus Date: 14 Dec 11 - 04:28 AM "The U.S. isn't opposed to the idea of climate change, but some of our messy companies and highly-paid politicians oppose anything that makes industry better global citizens and reduces profits." Oh it's more than just politicians and companies. There are plenty of C.C.deniers throughout the world outside those two groups and even including scientists. However I gather many if not most of those scientists are other than climatologists. ". I suspect that it's not so much that the US has censored it as that the BBC hasn't released it to the US market." Reading the links CJB provided, the BBC offered the series as 6 progs with the sensitive 7th as an optional extra, and the Discovery Channel turned down the 7th because of "scheduling issues". Sounds like a nasty case of excusitis. The fact that countries around the world are omitting the last episode and that the BBC has made it an optional extra are at least partly because of perceived sensitivities outside politics and business. It is a sad episode as fas as the Beeb is concerned because the basic Beeb stance is pro-science. Then along comes this episode and the Beeb somewhat distances itself from the mainstream of science. The same might be said of the The States. Finally, the British media diverted attention from the burden of the last prog into an argument about some supposed Arctic shots actually mocked up in Europe. So the point about c.c. got quite lost. |
|
Subject: RE: Frozen Planet - censored for the USA From: autolycus Date: 14 Dec 11 - 08:16 AM Just watched the last in the series - On thin ice. There is not a syllable about climate change let alone AGW. There's hypersensitivity all round for you. |
|
Subject: RE: Frozen Planet - censored for the USA From: Penny S. Date: 14 Dec 11 - 09:05 AM The Radio Times had a piee in which they balanced Attenborough with Nigel Lawson who wrote a critical piece citing no sources for opposition but basically saying that Attenborough was not up to date on his science. I tried to find it on line, and discovered that the Discovery Channel will now be showing the last episode. Penny |
|
Subject: RE: Frozen Planet - censored for the USA From: Penny S. Date: 14 Dec 11 - 09:08 AM Radio Times, Porritt and Lawson |
|
Subject: RE: Frozen Planet - censored for the USA From: GUEST,999 Date: 14 Dec 11 - 10:40 AM What's gotten lost in the global warming issue is not the fact it's happening: hell, the thermometer will provide that evidence. The question that does get lost is the ticklish one of what to do about it. I'd expect that with our survival at stake, it might be a subject worth taking out of the political arena. Nor do I want to hear the terms global warming and cost in the same sentence. What are the lives of our children and their children worth to us, and do we want that price decided by business people? In short, which side of the 'stupid line' are we gonna walk? |
|
Subject: RE: Frozen Planet - censored for the USA From: Donuel Date: 14 Dec 11 - 11:03 AM Its all happening. All the evil in the mud continues to hatch out. The enviormental collapse is being "pre-flected" in the economic collapse by extractionism of all the wealth so that a few wealthy bad actors may hope to survive the big warming floods and population shifts. The only accurate accounting of the Great Bank Fraud and collapse perpetrated by Wall Streets easy credit fiasco under Henry Paulson, is the 3 part video made by * Australian * media companies and is called Addicted to Money. It is excellent. I do not think it was censored but it was supposedly aired once on ABC. It is now available ironicly on the cable "Wealth" channel. Every American recounting of the Wall St. heist/co;;apse is more like a feature film than a documentary, such as (Inside Job, Money never sleeps, Too big to fail, Margin call)... The American films all virtually make heros of the poor stressed out Bankers. Guess who funded the American movies? |
|
Subject: RE: Frozen Planet - censored for the USA From: Stilly River Sage Date: 14 Dec 11 - 11:09 AM even including scientists The number of real scientists who don't believe in climate change is vastly overstated by groups who oppose taking measures to decrease the carbon in our atmosphere to below 350ppm (parts per million). SRS |
|
Subject: RE: Frozen Planet - censored for the USA From: bubblyrat Date: 14 Dec 11 - 11:19 AM As the incidences of Skin Cancer , Sunstroke , and Hyperthermia increase dramatically in Alaska , along with the proliferation of vineyards and pineapple growers , will the US government gradually become aware of the problem, do you think ?? Or will the Pearl Harbor mentality win the day ?? |
|
Subject: RE: Frozen Planet - censored for the USA From: GUEST,John from Kemsing Date: 14 Dec 11 - 12:53 PM No, seriously, does it really matter whether the earth heats up, cools off or what you will. Before you cast me down with stones please consider this. If you believe man`s destiny is to be part of the this cosmos for ever then you must have extra-ordinary faith. Is it possible that somewhere out there, out there in the depths of space there is an enormous boulder the size of Mount Everest or bigger that will eventually collide with this insignificant planet (in respect of the Universe) and blow it to smithereens? Ten years, ten thousand years, ten million years. Enjoy your three score years and ten while you can and let tomorrow take care of itself. All the while man is on this earth he/she will find solutions sufficient for that day. |
|
Subject: RE: Frozen Planet - censored for the USA From: autolycus Date: 14 Dec 11 - 01:23 PM "let tomorrow take care of itself." Do you have anything insured? What those engaged in preventing the Arctic and Antarctica disappearing, all the way down to energy-saving lightbulbs, is precisely "All the while man is on this earth he/she ...[are finding] solutions sufficient for that day" P.S. An economic alternative to "he/she" is usually "they". |
|
Subject: RE: Frozen Planet - censored for the USA From: Bonzo3legs Date: 14 Dec 11 - 01:33 PM There are a lot of idiots in the USA. |
|
Subject: RE: Frozen Planet - censored for the USA From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 14 Dec 11 - 01:38 PM Lotsa idiots in England too. |
|
Subject: RE: Frozen Planet - censored for the USA From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 14 Dec 11 - 02:03 PM Attenborough's "Frozen Planet" has been re-scheduled for airing on the Discovery Channel. Delay of the release was the decision of the Channel, not 'censorship'. The program has been criticized for misleading footage, e. g., the newborn polar bear cubs were filmed in a Dutch animal park, not in the wild. Melting of sea ice and shifting habitats for polar bears and other wildlife has been well covered in a number of Nova and other US telecasts. |
|
Subject: RE: Frozen Planet - censored for the USA From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 14 Dec 11 - 06:07 PM That "misleading footage" stuff is really daft. What kind of nut would have thought that shots of newborn polar bears could have been shot out in the wild anyway? And the BBC website about the programme expklained all about it in before the programmes were even shown. ................ I'm astonished at how the idea that being hostile to warning about climate change can ever have come to be adopted as a "conservative" touchstone in the USA. The basic, and valid principle at the heart of any genuine conservative position has to be suspicion of change, and a general instinct to take the pessimistic position about things they aren't certain about. In a decent society we could all be happy conservatives, because there wouldn't be that mountain of things that badly need to change. So how people who claim to be "conservative" can be all for crossing their fingers and heading full speed toweards the edge of a cliff beats me. |
|
Subject: RE: Frozen Planet - censored for the USA From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 14 Dec 11 - 07:18 PM Rick Perry, is the principal Republican candidate who disputes man's impact on climate change, and claims that action to correct it would impact America's economy. He has extreme views on many subjects (homosexuals, a skeptic on evolution, etc., and would be a real disaster if he became president. Many quotes on google. |
|
Subject: RE: Frozen Planet - censored for the USA From: Desert Dancer Date: 08 Jan 12 - 07:42 PM The Guardian, in an interview with David Attenborough about the program says, There was also speculation that the episode would be dropped when aired in America, due its focus on global warming. However, the Discovery Channel has confirmed it will air the entire series in the US in March 2012. Good to see that. ~ Becky in Long Beach |
|
Subject: RE: Frozen Planet - censored for the USA From: Bobert Date: 08 Jan 12 - 07:50 PM Lets get real here... First... Global warming is real... Second... Man's burning stuff is responsible... Third... The corporations that make money burning stuff are in cahoots with the other corporations that own BIG MEDIA... The End B~ |
|
Subject: RE: Frozen Planet - censored for the USA From: Don Firth Date: 08 Jan 12 - 09:45 PM Anyone who denies that global warming is human-caused is either Pollyanna-style optimistic or part of the plot. Those whose fortunes are derived from the use of fossil fuels and refuse to think beyond the next quarterly report may get a reality sandwich when their expensive beach-front property starts being inundated by the rising sea levels. But if you wait until Florida begins to disappear beneath the waves, it may be way too late! Don Firth |
|
Subject: RE: Frozen Planet - censored for the USA From: kendall Date: 08 Jan 12 - 10:33 PM I've seen many programs dealing with this problem, so this idea of censorship is not credible. |
|
Subject: RE: Frozen Planet - censored for the USA From: Bobert Date: 08 Jan 12 - 10:47 PM Here's the deal, Capt'n What you have is the time and inclination to watch stuff that isn't breaking thru to the masses who, in spite of having the same access, are out beating their brains out trying to keep up financially and don't have the time to sift thru the garbage to get to the truth... BIG MEDIA is avoiding the real story like it was a radiation pit... That is the real world... CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, FOX and even MSNBC are not telling the real story... That's where the masses get their info... Good on you that you know the story... That's great... You want to know why you have so many Republicans being elected??? Garbage in = garbage out... B~ |
|
Subject: RE: Frozen Planet - censored for the USA From: gnu Date: 09 Jan 12 - 08:20 PM Sorry for the long and tedious post. You can skip to the end and then read back if you want. Works either way. We have ONE inch of snow on the ground... ONE... it's the 9th of January! Moncton, NB, Canada Issued : 11:00 AM AST Monday 9 January 2012 Today Sunny. High minus 5. Tonight Clear. Low minus 10. Tuesday Increasing cloudiness. Flurries or rain showers beginning in the afternoon. Local snowfall amount 2 cm. Wind becoming southwest 20 km/h near noon. High plus 3. Wednesday Cloudy. Low minus 17. High minus 11. Thursday A mix of sun and cloud. Low minus 16. High minus 5. Friday Periods of snow or rain. Low minus 6. High plus 2. Saturday A mix of sun and cloud. Low minus 7. High minus 5. ************************************************************** SOMETHING is definitely fucked up. |
|
Subject: RE: Frozen Planet - censored for the USA From: Bobert Date: 09 Jan 12 - 09:00 PM The "real" climate scientists predicted that we would have decades of "extreme weather" before the warming settled in for good... Ya' see, when the polar ice caps melt that ice makes it into ocean currents and that effects our weather dramatically... There's a lot of ice and cold currents in the Pacific right now and that's going to make our winters cooler... For a while... B~ |
|
Subject: RE: Frozen Planet - censored for the USA From: SINSULL Date: 09 Jan 12 - 10:29 PM I read the online Portland Press Herald, MSNBC and Google News which includes stories covered by all major networks. Basic stuff and I find stories on major iceberg calvings, climate change, etc. daily. There is no censorship. If the majority of people prefer to read about Beyonce and the latest kidnapping, don't blame the press. Frozen Planet was not censored for the US market. Climate change is a fact of life. When will you all wake up and realize that man is nothing but a blip on the grander scale? We will come and go as did the dinosaurs. Blame the Republicans if you must but look at history and pre-history. The earth is constantly changing. Species who adapt, survive. Those who can't disappear. Whether mainstream news covers it or not. |
|
Subject: RE: Frozen Planet - censored for the USA From: Bonzo3legs Date: 10 Jan 12 - 04:30 AM This is an absolutely wonderful series, that only the BBC can produce, with photography second to none. Do not miss it!! |
|
Subject: RE: Frozen Planet - censored for the USA From: Desert Dancer Date: 21 Apr 12 - 11:11 AM No Place for Heated Opinions - NY Times ... The vast majority of scientists agree that human activities are influencing changes to the climate — especially at the poles — and believe that the situation requires serious attention. That scientific consensus is absent from "Frozen Planet," for reasons that shed light on the dilemma of commercial television, where the pursuit of ratings can sometimes clash with the quest for environmental and scientific education, particularly in issues, like global warming, that involve vociferous debate. A spoonful of sugar makes the medicine go down?? ~ Becky in Long Beach |
|
Subject: RE: Frozen Planet - censored for the USA From: goatfell Date: 21 Apr 12 - 03:33 PM the love of money |
|
Subject: RE: Frozen Planet - censored for the USA From: Joe Offer Date: 22 Apr 12 - 01:17 AM I'm hooked on the BBC Earth Blu-Ray videos. We watch them with my 97-yr-old mother-in-law. I think we have almost all the Blu-Rays that have been sold in the U.S. Our copy of Frozen Planet arrived this week, and it does indeed have the seventh episode, "Thin Ice." -Joe- |
|
Subject: RE: Frozen Planet - censored for the USA From: Don Firth Date: 22 Apr 12 - 11:10 PM I'm watching the seventh episode ("Thin Ice") on the Discovery channel right now. Don Firth |
|
Subject: RE: Frozen Planet - censored for the USA From: Desert Dancer Date: 23 Apr 12 - 12:50 PM Sigh. Joe & Don, the thread title no longer applies, and this is not news, as I posted in January and again on Saturday when I refreshed this thread... For those who have watched the program, what do you think of the ideas in the NY Times article: is it likely to be more useful to soft-peddle the climate change idea, "building sympathy" for the environment, or should there have been a stronger climate change message? How do you think that last episode came across? ~ Becky in Long Beach |
|
Subject: RE: Frozen Planet - censored for the USA From: Stu Date: 23 Apr 12 - 01:01 PM There's a real feeling of despair amongst scientists at the moment at how the hell they're going to get the message of this disaster across. The problem is politicians the world over don't want to address a really sticky subject, and with a distinctly anti-science atmosphere on both sides of the pond then science has a problem. It simply does not have the resources to compete with the corporate behemoths who are bankrolling our leaders. This anti-science movement is also affecting education resulting in the creeping commercialisation of our education systems - a disaster for future generations. I have no idea how we're going to get out of this. With the US and the UK under the thumb of right-wing governments who aren't interested in the truth what can anyone do? What governments, politicians and business hate people who make it their business to study the world in depth? |
|
Subject: RE: Frozen Planet - censored for the USA From: Don Firth Date: 23 Apr 12 - 02:15 PM Just wait until the politicians' and plutocrat's expensive beachfront property winds up with four feet of sea water in the living room. Don Firth |
|
Subject: RE: Frozen Planet - censored for the USA From: GUEST,Bart H Date: 24 Apr 12 - 05:47 AM I'm not American, European, Asian or African. I am over 50 years old and not rich. I do not like corporate globalization. But this Climate Change Fraud is being perpetuated by well meaning but misguided groups who think that it is wrong to eat meat, drive a car,etc. The scientists not made a case I'm sorry. CO2 is indeed a good gas which promotes the growth of all plants which photosynthesize. It is much like politics and has become politicized. Each and every problem has a different solution. Sometimes the solution is best provided by manufacturers pursuing profits. Other times the best solution is best provided by individuals and more left leaning governments. A blanket scare campaign about global warming is just that, a scare campaign. |
|
Subject: RE: Frozen Planet - censored for the USA From: saulgoldie Date: 24 Apr 12 - 06:59 AM Bart, would you care to back up your *opinion* with some actual research? Then we can have an *intelligent,* fact-based discussion. Or not. Saul |
|
Subject: RE: Frozen Planet - censored for the USA From: Stilly River Sage Date: 24 Apr 12 - 05:38 PM Bart H, when your island (only option left when you rule out the other continents) is underwater you'll change your tune. If you managed to get to dry land. CO2 is fine in and of itself, but when the parts per million go over 350, weird things start to happen. 350 parts per million is what many scientists, climate experts, and progressive national governments are now saying is the safe upper limit for CO2 in our atmosphere. SRS |
| Share Thread: |
