BS: Scum scooter thief jailed

Subject: BS: Scum scooter thief jailed
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 22 Dec 11 - 09:17 AM

A British court on Wednesday sentenced a rioter who was caught on video pulling a man off his scooter during the summer riots to almost six years in jail.

The footage of Ryan Kitchenside, 18, chasing his victim before yanking him to the ground during the August riots in Croydon, south London, appeared on video-sharing website YouTube, leading to his eventual identification.

The victim, who suffered a fractured ankle, was held down by rioters as another drove away on the scooter, but only after first crashing it.

Judge Peter Grobel handed out the five-year-and-10-month sentence after Kitchenside admitted to stealing the Aprilla scooter and £1 700 in cash and documents contained in its pannier on August 8.

Kitchenside also admitted to violent disorder and the looting of two shops.

Prosecutor Graham Lloyd told the court that the victim, a surveyor in his 40s, was still hampered by injuries sustained in the attack.

"He resisted and tried to drive off on his scooter. He managed to drive about 10 yards when he was pulled to the ground," explained Lloyd.

"His left ankle was crushed under the scooter, his foot was fractured. He is still suffering problems with that broken foot."

Excellent news - more rioting scum put away for a long time!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Scum scooter thief jailed
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 22 Dec 11 - 09:25 AM

Agreed on this one, that was a cowardly act hope he gets what he deserves.

Subject: RE: BS: Scum scooter thief jailed
From: GUEST,Uncle_DaveO
Date: 22 Dec 11 - 09:34 AM

What's a "scum scooter"? I never heard of that brand.

Dave Oesterreich

Subject: RE: BS: Scum scooter thief jailed
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 22 Dec 11 - 09:37 AM

It looks like a proper conviction. I'm not sure if the total sentence is as per tariff - 6 years for assault and theft seems a bit high. I know of one original charge of attempted murder that pleaded down to GBH and collected a 2 year suspender.

Subject: RE: BS: Scum scooter thief jailed
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Dec 11 - 10:02 AM

The thing that annoyed me most about that particular incident was that the idiot, so-called rioters were targeting ordinary working people. OK - I disagree with looting shops and damaging property as well but at least that can have a vague excuse of hitting at the establishment. This incident was pure unadulterated thuggey and theft.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Scum scooter thief jailed
From: GUEST,999
Date: 22 Dec 11 - 10:15 AM

On the bright side, the malefactor will have time to consider his transgressions.

Subject: RE: BS: Scum scooter thief jailed
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 22 Dec 11 - 10:35 AM

""On the bright side, the malefactor will have time to consider his transgressions.""

And probably time to confer with other thugs, to refine his skillset so as to avoid capture next time.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Scum scooter thief jailed
From: GUEST,999
Date: 22 Dec 11 - 11:03 AM

I hear you Don. I taught in a maximum security establishment for a year.

Subject: RE: BS: Scum scooter thief jailed
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 22 Dec 11 - 11:06 AM

Scooter being taken by violence during riots in UK. Guess they all deserve to be sent down!

Subject: RE: BS: Scum scooter thief jailed
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 22 Dec 11 - 12:31 PM

Six years is frankly ridiculous, assuming no previous - as have been many of the sentences relating to the summer mayhem. Meanwhile UK Coal, whose health and safety breaches caused the deaths of three miners at one colliery in three separate incidents within two years, and a fourth fatality at another pit during the same period, is fined £112,000 per offence. Better that an executive or two went to jail. Not six years though. A month would be enough to bring a change in attitude.

Subject: RE: BS: Scum scooter thief jailed
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 22 Dec 11 - 01:20 PM

Rubbish Peter K.

Subject: RE: BS: Scum scooter thief jailed
From: katlaughing
Date: 22 Dec 11 - 01:28 PM

I happen to agree with the points Peter makes. It's too bad there isn't a way to make the crimes of industry accountable, in criminal court, as in the case of a single "perp." And, six years does seem a long time comparatively, though I do not condone what happened.

Subject: RE: BS: Scum scooter thief jailed
From: GUEST,999
Date: 22 Dec 11 - 02:55 PM

Until such time as executives are held responsible for the crimes they allow their companies to commit, there will be no meaningful change. In the joint I met two murderers who while having committed the same crime were doing different amounts of time. One had a 20 and the other a 12 year sentence. Justice can be hard.

I have no feelings for the guy who pulled the man off his scooter.

Many years ago a punk-rock group (three of them) were quite rude to a 'bag lady' near the Forum on St Catherine Street in Montreal. Two guys walked out of a fast-food pizza place and between the two of them sent the trio to the Montreal General Hospital for a brief stay. All that unnamed duo received from the people of Montreal was a loud thank you and well-done, because we all know it could have been our girl friends, wives, mothers or grand mothers being abused by the trio.

People need to learn manners, and some folks have to learn them the hard way.

Subject: RE: BS: Scum scooter thief jailed
From: gnu
Date: 22 Dec 11 - 04:51 PM

Too harsh? I say, break and crush his foot and ankle too, the fucker.

BTW... why is a near six year sentence TOO harsh for theft and the asssociated aggravated assault causing bodily harm? He did not get SIX years plus a day, so he will only have to serve less than two years and then be paroled if he is on good behaviour. Which, IMO is not enough. I think he should have been given two years plus a day minimum in fed pen (criminal record) along with the near six year sentence.

Subject: RE: BS: Scum scooter thief jailed
From: GUEST,999
Date: 22 Dec 11 - 05:09 PM

Gnu, I have no idea what sentences mean in England. Here, a deuce less means provincial time, and a deuce plus means fed time. Federal time can result in doing only 1/6 of the sentence. Provincial time means ya do a minimum of 1/3 the time, so some guys try for a deuce plus because the sentence is in fact shorter.

Subject: RE: BS: Scum scooter thief jailed
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 22 Dec 11 - 06:12 PM

If UK sentencing guidelines are anything like those in the US, the sentence sounds fair. In most US jurisdictions, carjacking (theft of a vehicle by assaulting its driver or occupants) is punishable by sentences of between five and thirty years. Six years is definitely toward the lower end of allowable sentences.

Subject: RE: BS: Scum scooter thief jailed
From: Bert
Date: 22 Dec 11 - 06:12 PM

While I don't think that jail is a good way to deal with criminals, it is what we are stuck with for now. In this case I think that six years is way too lenient seeing as the victim is likely to have some sort of pain and/or lack of mobility for the rest of his life.

There should first be some form of restitution for the pain and suffering, the loss of wages and the loss of or damage to his scooter.

Then I would say OK. six years for the GBH and tack on a couple for the theft and another couple for the conspiracy. With no possibility of parole while the victim is still suffering physically, mentally or financially.

And let's have another thread for alternatives to jail.

Subject: RE: BS: Scum scooter thief jailed
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 22 Dec 11 - 06:20 PM

Well, there should I expect have been a criminal compensation order.

People who ant an intelligent discussion on this need to check the difference between statutory maxima and tariffs.   

Right now all we are seeing - in some cases from unexpected quarters - is kneejerk retributiveness. The word "jerk" is apt.

Subject: RE: BS: Scum scooter thief jailed
From: GUEST,999
Date: 22 Dec 11 - 06:55 PM

Richard, what would you deem an appropriate sentence for the guy to have been given?

Subject: RE: BS: Scum scooter thief jailed
From: gnu
Date: 22 Dec 11 - 07:02 PM

9... well, ya can do 1/6 but it's 1/3 max with good behaviour. That 1/6 is very rare. When a case includes any form of violence, that 1/6 is extremely rare. But, I am NO expert. My lawyer buddies say it depends on Friday afternoon at The Press Club... who pays the drinks... and who gives the keep the biggest tips... judges chambers be damned.

Jerk? Yeah. Fine. I'd jerk the jerk by the collar. Retribution? Fucking right. That's what he deserves. And he deserves it in a court of law with not just a slap on the wrist... ankle?

Alternatives to jail? Bring em on. I would really like to see some constructive discussion in that regard. If we could get away from jailing people in some way it would be far better for all of us. If it could be done, I am all for it. Although, I must add, I have known some pretty bad dudes and I just can't imagine how it could be done... like the guy that chopped of the heads of a friend of mine and his wife because he was a fucked dude... like the guys that used a mall to flatten the head of a buddy of mine because they though he had money hidden in his house... maybe they could be rehabilitated by feeding ducks in the park in winter instead of going to jail? Oh, pretty duckies... here... have some oatmeal... yeah... that would work... duck therapy. Whaddya think?

Subject: RE: BS: Scum scooter thief jailed
From: Bert
Date: 22 Dec 11 - 07:02 PM

Intelligent discussion requires some knowledge of spelling and grammar Richard.

What exactly are you trying to say with 'Well, there should I expect have been a criminal compensation order.'?

And what are people who ant??

Subject: RE: BS: Scum scooter thief jailed
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 23 Dec 11 - 04:24 AM

Don't be silly Bert. Typing error: "want".

Here is a review of the principles from a UK perspective.


http://www.justice.gov.uk/publications/docs/sentencing-guidelines-evolutionary-approach.pdf

Subject: RE: BS: Scum scooter thief jailed
From: GUEST,999
Date: 23 Dec 11 - 04:55 PM

I will give it a read, Richard. Thank you.

Subject: RE: BS: Scum scooter thief jailed
From: Bert
Date: 23 Dec 11 - 06:34 PM

I know I was being silly, but I couldn't resist that one.

In you 'principles' it says

In choosing a fair and just sentence in a particular case, judges and magistrates, within the
parameters established by Parliament, must have regard to the gravity of the offence, its impact on
the victim, the circumstances of the offender and the wider public interest. In relation to all these
matters they must exercise judgement and discretion."

I think that the gravity of the offence has been somewhat overlooked in this case.

A 'crushed ankle' usually means 'maimed for life' as he will most likely never regain full mobility and will most likely suffer from arthritis later in life.

Subject: RE: BS: Scum scooter thief jailed
From: banjoman
Date: 24 Dec 11 - 08:17 AM

I agree that this has provoked a lot of knee jerk reaction. However, this idiot assaulted and stole from an inocent member of the pulic. Thats the gravity of the offence and IMO the sentence is not in any way harsh. I have no doubt that many who took part in the riots will claim reasons for doing so, and some of them are justified. This is no excuse for criminal behaviour. On the other hand, I believe that the courts have been "instructed" by the powers that be, to deal harshly with anyone involved in the rioting as we have seem some pretty harsh sentences dished out for what in normal circs would be treted as a minor offence.

Subject: RE: BS: Scum scooter thief jailed
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 24 Dec 11 - 05:58 PM

Judge Peter Grobel told him: "You played a prominent role in the West Croydon civil disorder on August 8."

Kichenside was sentenced to two years in a young offenders institution for violent disorder and two years and six months for the robbery, to run consecutively.

He was also sentenced to 16 months for two counts of burglary to run concurrently.

So there you go.

Subject: RE: BS: Scum scooter thief jailed
From: GUEST,999
Date: 24 Dec 11 - 06:57 PM

"Kichenside, a father-of-one with 13 previous convictions, also pleaded guilty to violent disorder and two counts of burglary."

Subject: RE: BS: Scum scooter thief jailed
From: gnu
Date: 24 Dec 11 - 07:34 PM

Oh dear. That is unfortunate. Sad.

Subject: RE: BS: Scum scooter thief jailed
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 25 Dec 11 - 05:57 AM

They never learn do they??