BS: The Petty Arguments Thread

Subject: BS: The Petty Arguments Thread
From: DrugCrazed
Date: 27 Dec 11 - 07:57 AM

In the interests of preventing a derail of a topic due to petty arguments, I suggest that all petty arguments are moved to here using science.

What can possibly go wrong?

Subject: RE: BS: The Petty Arguments Thread
From: Paul Burke
Date: 27 Dec 11 - 08:24 AM

Science alone can not explain all petty arguments, that's reductionism taken to its extreme. Some arguments require faith and imagination more than hard evidence. Such petty arguments should be moved here using superstition.

Subject: RE: BS: The Petty Arguments Thread
From: GUEST,999
Date: 27 Dec 11 - 08:32 AM

What's to argue? Tom Petty was a darned good 'rocker' and writer, imo.

Subject: RE: BS: The Petty Arguments Thread
From: Lox
Date: 27 Dec 11 - 08:36 AM

I don't know about Patty Arguments, but I'm happy to help with the petty cash ...

Subject: RE: BS: The Petty Arguments Thread
From: pdq
Date: 27 Dec 11 - 09:57 AM

Richard Petty was the greatest race car driver of them all.

No arguments needed.

Subject: RE: BS: The Petty Arguments Thread
From: alanabit
Date: 27 Dec 11 - 10:15 AM

Are we going to argue about Norman Petty too? (He was one of Buddy Holly's co-writers...)

Subject: RE: BS: The Petty Arguments Thread
From: Greg F.
Date: 27 Dec 11 - 10:16 AM

I read the title as PERRY Arguments - and Rick sure has some whoppers.

Subject: RE: BS: The Petty Arguments Thread
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Dec 11 - 10:23 AM

Just don't take those perry whoppers as an endorsement of the malted milk ball candies. They are apolitical.

Subject: RE: BS: The Petty Arguments Thread
From: Rapparee
Date: 27 Dec 11 - 10:36 AM

isn't this about perry como?

Subject: RE: BS: The Petty Arguments Thread
From: Bill D
Date: 27 Dec 11 - 10:59 AM

"What can possibly go wrong?"

Ya' see, no one will admit to their arguments being petty..

Subject: RE: BS: The Petty Arguments Thread
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Dec 11 - 11:05 AM

Why dont the extreme religious folks and the extreme athiests just codefy (aka list) their repeating arguments/preachings by number, then they could just refer to them by number, to save bandwith/space. They both would know what each posted number (aka position, aka argument, aka poreaching)meant, and it would really not matter to the rest of the folks not in the repeating argument post? The posters could still be free to use the insults (after all, most often a main reason to post), but would not need to go "on and on" repeating the much repeated preachings, to prove their supreiour point/position.

Post: An example, you are wrong, you athiest asshole, based on religious argument # 45.

Reply to post: Where is your evidence, you mindless and supersticious zealot,based on Athiest argument #36.

Just a thought.

Subject: RE: BS: The Petty Arguments Thread
From: Bill D
Date: 27 Dec 11 - 11:27 AM

Why don't people with petty arguments sign their posts?

Just a thought.

(One of my personal pet peeves)

Subject: RE: BS: The Petty Arguments Thread
From: Will Fly
Date: 27 Dec 11 - 11:42 AM

I'm in charge of this thread.

Petty Officer W. Fly

Subject: RE: BS: The Petty Arguments Thread
From: Ebbie
Date: 27 Dec 11 - 11:44 AM

All three of the dogs I currently care for like petties.

Subject: RE: BS: The Petty Arguments Thread
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 27 Dec 11 - 11:56 AM

No you are not, Will.

~M~

Captain, Royal Fusiliers(TA) [retired]

Subject: RE: BS: The Petty Arguments Thread
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 27 Dec 11 - 12:10 PM

Reminds me of the joke about the Trappist monks. They held up a card with a number on, which was a code for a joke. One monk received no laugh. A friendly older monk wrote "We've heard that one before".

Subject: RE: BS: The Petty Arguments Thread
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 27 Dec 11 - 12:27 PM

... & another commented in his note, "It isn't just the joke, it's the way you tell it!"

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: The Petty Arguments Thread
From: Little Hawk
Date: 27 Dec 11 - 12:33 PM

As Shane would say, "Youse are all soooo flippin' WRONG! It makes me sad, eh? If'n youse were my dog I would have the vet put youse all down."

Subject: RE: BS: The Petty Arguments Thread
From: GUEST,999
Date: 27 Dec 11 - 12:59 PM

Reminds me of the joke about the Trappist monks. They held up a card with a number on, which was a code for a joke. One monk received no laugh. A friendly older monk wrote "Some people just can't tell a joke".

Subject: RE: BS: The Petty Arguments Thread
From: Ed T
Date: 27 Dec 11 - 02:00 PM

Sorry, I was GUEST, 11:05 AM. Cookie was broken:)

Subject: RE: BS: The Petty Arguments Thread
From: kendall
Date: 27 Dec 11 - 02:08 PM

Shut your festering gob you toffee nose pervert!

Subject: RE: BS: The Petty Arguments Thread
From: Rapparee
Date: 27 Dec 11 - 02:42 PM

it's because of my genetic makeup, kendall. why are insulting my mother? you wanna step outside, huh? it's quite pleasant to drink on the porch.

Subject: RE: BS: The Petty Arguments Thread
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Dec 11 - 02:48 PM

Well the scientists say
It'll all wash away
But we don't believe in them
Anymore...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: The Petty Arguments Thread
From: Little Hawk
Date: 27 Dec 11 - 03:01 PM

Naw...it's not that we don't believe in them, Bobert. It's just that I don't believe anyone's infallible. That includes doctors, scientists, the president, my mother, and the Pope!

;-)

You follow what I'm saying?

The fact that scientists are not infallible is easily proven by an exmination of scientific history over the past few centuries. It reveals that scientists (like all other authority figures) have frequently disagreed with one another on basic doctrine, have opposed each other's scientific views, and have in time been proven wrong in science which they were quite certain of.

If it happened that way in the past, it's happening that way now too...only most people haven't become aware of it yet, that's all.

Just wait and see. Many of today's scientific "certainties" will presently prove to be quite incorrect...and will be replaced by new "certainties" which almost everyone will accept as basic doctrine. (all based, of course, on empirical evidence AND a whole set of subjective assumptions which arise out of that evidence).

The subjective assumptions are exactly where the problem of infallibility rears its head...and they generally arise out of things like:

1. cultural viewpoint
2. established prejudices of one sort or another
3. financial considerations and politics
3. incomplete evidence and incorrect interpretation of that incomplete evidence, driven mostly by (1), (2), and (3) above.

It happened in the 1500s, it happened in the 1800s, and it's happening now.

The most honest thing anyone can generally say about the great questions of life is, "I don't know for sure if my view of this is right. It might be partly right. It might be partly wrong. It's just the best conclusion I can come to at the moment, based on what I know and what I've seen and what I've heard, and I might be wrong."

Subject: RE: BS: The Petty Arguments Thread
From: Greg F.
Date: 27 Dec 11 - 03:30 PM

It's just that I don't believe anyone's infallible.

Are you kiddin'? What about Ron Davies?

Subject: RE: BS: The Petty Arguments Thread
From: Little Hawk
Date: 27 Dec 11 - 03:36 PM

LOL!!!!!! Yes, well....ummmm.... (cough! cough!)

Subject: RE: BS: The Petty Arguments Thread
From: catspaw49
Date: 27 Dec 11 - 07:41 PM

Hawk also for got about The Great Hat, widely known to be completely infallible!


Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: The Petty Arguments Thread
From: Little Hawk
Date: 27 Dec 11 - 11:29 PM

Yes, he is rumoured (British spelling) to be infallible. And who spread those rumours? The Hat and his contemptible minions (like Spaw) did, that's who! I tell you, it's a worse conspiracy than Opus Dei, these deranged worshippers of Cheech Wizard!!!

Subject: RE: BS: The Petty Arguments Thread
From: GUEST,999
Date: 28 Dec 11 - 12:02 AM

No offense, but you guys are seriously fucked.

Subject: RE: BS: The Petty Arguments Thread
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Dec 11 - 01:17 AM

Yes.....

So, what's your point? ;-D

Subject: RE: BS: The Petty Arguments Thread
From: DMcG
Date: 28 Dec 11 - 03:25 AM

But surely they are really petit arguments?

Subject: RE: BS: The Petty Arguments Thread
From: Rapparee
Date: 28 Dec 11 - 10:19 AM

Tom Petit and the Hearbreakers? Nah, doesn't work.

What the world needs is what it once had: a Source that tells you what's what and if you don't like it you get burned alive. Bring back the Papal States and the Pope's temporal authority! Revive the Inquisition! That'll put a stop to all this nonsense. Hmmph! Earth going around the Sun indeed!

Subject: RE: BS: The Petty Arguments Thread
From: Silas
Date: 28 Dec 11 - 10:25 AM

I thought we already had a paypal state?

Subject: RE: BS: The Petty Arguments Thread
From: Musket
Date: 28 Dec 11 - 11:28 AM

Fuck me! Is the quest for scientific advancement so petty?

Don't know about the 1500s and 1800s but only last week my son thought he had cracked the problem for his PhD research and then after a session drinking with his mates and sleeping on it, he seriously disagreed with his stance of the day before, and so it's back to the testing and observing in the lab till the next Eureka moment.

Compare that to a theological argument where the original hypothesis is on a pedestal never to be knocked off its perch.

Now that's the sort of Petty that Tom and the Heartbreakers would be proud of.

I love petty arguments AND I sign my posts.

The reason I love them is that taking this forum seriously would be a sad thing to do, so forgive me if I indulge myself from time to time. You get a (hopefully) more rational discussion with me in the pub or in a meeting.

Subject: RE: BS: The Petty Arguments Thread
From: DrugCrazed
Date: 28 Dec 11 - 11:51 AM

I'll be honest that this was aimed at 2 people in particular, but the important thing is that we can continue with insanity. YAY!

Subject: RE: BS: The Petty Arguments Thread
From: Silas
Date: 28 Dec 11 - 12:05 PM

Being one of those 'two people in particular' it's slightly annoying that the posts have been deleted - I don't think it petty when another poster tries to steal your identity and post in your name - but there we are, the posts have gone for good or bad.

Subject: RE: BS: The Petty Arguments Thread
From: Ed T
Date: 28 Dec 11 - 12:15 PM

"seriously fucked"

No, that elephant was put to rest behind my middle school many years ago.


""This morning it was 2005 in New Orleans, I was staring at you wondering what it would be like to have the ability to change into a tiger. Now it's the day before I enter the world in 1981 and I can turn into a tiger. Yeah, just your average day...if you're in a Ted Raimi production."" Sherrilyn Kenyon, Unleash the Night

Now that almost everyone has access to the internet,aand it is the main source of information, is it not time to seriously discuss defunding public libraries?

Subject: RE: BS: The Petty Arguments Thread
From: Silas
Date: 28 Dec 11 - 12:19 PM

"is it not time to seriously discuss defunding public libraries?"

Please tell me that you are joking...

Subject: RE: BS: The Petty Arguments Thread
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Dec 11 - 01:04 PM

Well, Ian, established religious tenets also get stringently questioned and debated periodically in most major religions, and doctrine gets changed after much furious discussion between the learned minds at the top of the authority structure. Such debates and schisms have frequently rocked even an ossified structure like the Vatican over the past centuries and they led, among other things, to the Protestant Reformation.

There have been several such schisms in the Muslim faith too. And in the Jewish faith. And the Buddhist faith. Etc.

It doesn't just happen that way in the world of science. Religion, like science, can be a field of continual inquiry, not just a field of rigid, established belief.

The conservatives in religions are the ones who cling to the old beliefs and defend them. The liberals and radicals challenge the old beliefs and change them. The same is generally true in science (where new theories and new interpretations of existing evidence are frequently brought forward to challenge the old ones...and are often bitterly resisted, even ridiculed, by the conservatives in the scientific establishment).

Subject: RE: BS: The Petty Arguments Thread
From: GUEST,Steamin' Willie
Date: 28 Dec 11 - 01:16 PM

My turn.

Aye, there have been "conservative" scientists. Even Einstein had issues with where Heisenberg took his own theories!

Rarely is a scientist clinging onto outmoded thoughts though once the evidence is overwhelming. Fred Hoyle died before the big bang reached the point where he would have accepted it, but I digress.

The funny thing isn't how theologians investigate and discuss their subject in abstract, as many do in the same way as musicologists, but how many people covert the superstitious stories of a time when magic was thought to exist, and try to see them as having value in reality as well as in moral messages.

Even sadder, those who should know better but is in their interest to perpetuate myths to the stage of people willing to die for them.

Dunno if petty describes that?

Subject: RE: BS: The Petty Arguments Thread
From: Ed T
Date: 28 Dec 11 - 01:55 PM

""Please tell me that you are joking...""

No joke. Just a petty rap trap. It was sprung, but the trap did not work to "wake the Genie".

Darn. :)

Subject: RE: BS: The Petty Arguments Thread
From: GUEST,999
Date: 28 Dec 11 - 02:31 PM

"Yes.....

So, what's your point? ;-D"

That's the problem, LH. I don't have a point to make. I too am seriously fucked because I actually understand you and Spaw.

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I have asked people to leave my place when they argue about religion. Your--whoever 'you' is--have a right to your opinion, and along with that goes the right to keep it to yourself. In my place you abide by that rule or bugger off. That rule applies to all my friends regardless their religious beliefs or lack thereof. Basically, my religious beliefs are none of anyone's business, and anyone's beliefs to do with religion are none of mine. The single exception I make is for people who say grace before meals. If no one or anyone wants to say a blessing that's ok with me. The one proviso is that it be short/brief. You can offer prayers to God, Allah, The Great Spirit, etc. I'm a very simple guy. But NO editorializing in the name of your particular Kahuna. Un point c'est tout

Subject: RE: BS: The Petty Arguments Thread
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 28 Dec 11 - 02:35 PM

'Religion, like science, can be a field of continual inquiry, not just a field of rigid established belief' Well said, LH. In fact, we should perhaps see ourselves as being on a journey, not sitting smugly at the destination!

Subject: RE: BS: The Petty Arguments Thread
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 28 Dec 11 - 02:49 PM

Ugghh! Peasants!

I have had enough of all your converse, inverse, reverse elitism.

Get back to work!

signed
Petty Bourgeois

Subject: RE: BS: The Petty Arguments Thread
From: gnu
Date: 28 Dec 11 - 02:54 PM

My religion, tonight, is Lotto 6/49. $18M. Combine that with the $50M in the Lotto 7 on Friday night and I am gonna worship til the cows come home. Argue with THAT kinda coin. Man, I could piss off a lotta people with that kinda $$$.

Subject: RE: BS: The Petty Arguments Thread
From: Greg F.
Date: 28 Dec 11 - 03:06 PM

Religion... can be a field of continual inquiry, not just a field of rigid established belief.

I suppose it CAN be, but for an overwhelming percentage, rigid established belief is the norm.

A shame, but true.

Subject: RE: BS: The Petty Arguments Thread
From: DrugCrazed
Date: 28 Dec 11 - 08:42 PM

Silas, as the whole damn thing had turned petty anyway then the thread was justified.

And now we're using the thread properly!

Subject: RE: BS: The Petty Arguments Thread
From: GUEST,999
Date: 28 Dec 11 - 09:33 PM

I'm gonna go smoke a splif and be right back.

Subject: RE: BS: The Petty Arguments Thread
From: GUEST,999 999 99999 999 9999 9999999 HEY
Date: 28 Dec 11 - 09:46 PM

So, like, whassappenin?

The way I see/view/interpret/grasp/understand/fathom/envision/comprehend this thread is that it is for inconsequential/unimportant/trivial/petty uh--back in a minute or sixty seconds, whichever comes first

Subject: RE: BS: The Petty Arguments Thread
From: GUEST,999
Date: 28 Dec 11 - 09:55 PM

so, like, that was me in the last post, well, not actually me as in the physical incarnation but me as in the theoretical sense, well, not actually the theoretical sense but the abstract meaning of the word me and my question is this:

Can you name that tune? Uh huh, thought so!

I'm saddling up the reindeer: Happy, Doc, Grumpy, Dopey, Sneezy, Sleepy, Bashful and Randolph and then off we go for a postprandial zip around the town.

Back in a bit.