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Subject: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Songwronger Date: 30 Jan 12 - 06:44 PM This is pretty amusing: Several Alabama citizens have filed a lawsuit within the Alabama Circuit Court to "prevent certification of President Barack Obama for 2012 Alabama ballot access pending final hearing based on factual evidentiary hearings." The deadline for any candidate to register to appear on the Alabama Presidential Primary ballot is just days away, but by agreeing to hear the case, the Alabama Courts have effectively stalled any efforts by the Democratic Party to place Obama on the ballot. http://www.libertynewsonline.com/article_301_31406.php I don't have an opinion on the birthplace issue, but I would like to see Obama's records. Especially his school records. Many say that he never attended college classes because he was working for the CIA at the time. Could be, seeing as how the Nobel War Prize winner has been starting wars for them since he took office. Mitt Romney should be challenged on the eligibility, too. His father was born in Mexico. I suspect that's one of the reasons the mainstream media is pushing him so hard, because he has the same birth issues as Obama, more or less. At any rate, there's a chance now that Alabama, Georgia and Arizona will demand proof of citizenship before putting a candidate's name on the next presidential ballot. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: number 6 Date: 30 Jan 12 - 06:49 PM Personally I don't give a rat's ass where any politician is born. Does it really matter. biLL |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: artbrooks Date: 30 Jan 12 - 06:51 PM Case thrown out 1/9/12. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Bobert Date: 30 Jan 12 - 06:53 PM Oh really, wrong... You have repeatedly posted right winged BS from right winged bloggers and organizations... Obam ahs produced a certified copy of his birth certificate... Maybe Mudcat should require you to do the same to post here and then after you have Mudcat arbitrarily proclaims that that's not good enough for them and shut you down... That's what you want of Obama... You wouldn't be happy if God hisself knocked on your door, grabbed you by the throat and screamed "Obama was born in Hawaii... Get a life!!!" B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Rapparee Date: 30 Jan 12 - 07:01 PM A certified copy of his birth cert is posted, the US Supreme Court ruled in his favor, and anyone who thinks that either political party would field an unqualified candidate is a candidate for medication. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Songwronger Date: 30 Jan 12 - 07:15 PM A couple of other injunctions have been file in the case, it appears. Can't get the site that headlined that to open right now. But this is very interesting because there's a chance Obama will be kept off the ballot in some state. If that happened, would you vote for him? If the accreditation committee from a state said, "We went to Hawaii and determined the birth certificate is a forgery," would you vote for him? And how would that affect his chances, if he was on only 49 of the 50 state ballots? Do you think the pro-Obama mainstream media would even report it? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: John on the Sunset Coast Date: 30 Jan 12 - 07:28 PM biLL, it does matter constitutionally where a candidate for President is born. In the case of President Obama, however, his birthplace has been determined and accepted by all but a few diehards. That any court would have even considered hearing this...but then many unmeritorious suits have been allowed by courts over the years...is beyond comprehension. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: GUEST,999 Date: 30 Jan 12 - 07:34 PM Posted: 3:54 AM Jan 18, 2012 Crenshaw County Man's Lawsuit to Remove Obama from Ballot Denied A judge is dismissing the latest lawsuit seeking to keep President Barack Obama off the Alabama ballot this year. Reporter: Associated Press Story 2 Comments Font Size: BIRMINGHAM, Ala. (AP) -- A judge is dismissing the latest lawsuit seeking to keep President Barack Obama off the Alabama ballot this year. Jefferson County Circuit Judge Helen Shores Lee threw out the suit by Crenshaw County resident Harold Sorensen during a hearing in Birmingham on Tuesday, saying state courts have no jurisdiction in the matter. Sorensen claims Obama isn't eligible to serve as president because he doesn't meet citizenship requirements. He sued last week in Jefferson County. Lee previously threw out a similar lawsuit filed by another man who was challenging Obama's place of birth. The Birmingham News reports that Sorensen filed suit challenging the citizenship of then-Republican presidential nominee John McCain in 2009. That's from http://www.wtvy.com/politics/alabamapolitics/Crenshaw_County_Mans_Lawsuit_to_Remove_Obama_from_Ballot_Denied_137552473.html ############################################ The State of Alabama seems to have no jurisdiction in the matter. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Songwronger Date: 30 Jan 12 - 07:46 PM We'd have to be nuts NOT to challenge the eligibility of candidates. As I recall, Obama's credentials were okayed by the Democratic National Committee, which meant Howard Dean at the time. Do you trust Howard Dean's word on anything? I don't. So states need to protect their citizens by verifying that the officials elected at the federal level are AT LEAST citizens. Obama's first act as president was to seal all his records. Birth records, school records, everything. Suspicious, to say the least. Could any of you draw your pensions if you refused to show proof of eligibility? Of course not. So it's reasonable to hold office seekers to the same standard. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Lox Date: 30 Jan 12 - 07:49 PM I think songwronger may be referring to the telepathically transmitted news from Orions belt that Obama (Elvis's love child and father) was actually born in 3 thousand galaxies simultaneously. But this must be true ... as it says in the bible: "From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some youths came out of the town and jeered at him. "Go on up, you baldhead!" they said. "Go on up, you baldhead!" 24 He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the LORD. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the youths." ... sweet home alabama ... dum de dum ... ... whizz - pop - burble ... . |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Bill D Date: 30 Jan 12 - 08:06 PM lemmee see... Alabama & Georgia..etc. had Obama on the ballot 4 years ago, but NOW some right-wing nuts want to disqualify a sitting president because of 'claims' which various courts have already dismissed? How many times to we have to tell you, Hawaii IS a state, and Mr. & Mrs. Obama had a baby there, which was noted in local papers. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Greg F. Date: 30 Jan 12 - 08:12 PM Hey, fuckwits is fuckwits. The good Lord must like 'em, 'cause he made many more of 'em than he/she did poor folks. That don't mean we have to suffer fuckwits. (P.S.: Alabama & Georgia, eh/ - only thing that surprises me is that the Mississippi fuckwits didn't jump on the bandwagon.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: kendall Date: 30 Jan 12 - 08:18 PM And, the republican Governor of Hawaii said he saw Obama's birth certificate with his own eyes. John McCain told some silly old fool that Obama is not an Arab. I don't give a rodent's rump if he worships toadstools, it is his right under the first amendment. Songwronger, did you know that Fox "news" is banned in Canada? they have the good sense to forbid lies being telecast as news. HOORAY FOR CANADA. As Richard Petty said to NASCAR, "If you can't beat it, ban it." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Don Firth Date: 30 Jan 12 - 08:32 PM PATHETIC! Barack Hussein Obama II was born in Honolulu, Hawaii. He is a graduate of Columbia University AND Harvard Law School, where he was the president of the Harvard Law Review. He was a community organizer in Chicago before earning his law degree. He worked as a civil rights attorney in Chicago and taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School from 1992 to 2004. He served three terms representing the 13th District in the Illinois Senate from 1997 to 2004, then won a seat in the United States Senate in 2004. He resigned when he was elected President. He is far better qualified than several recent presidents. Those are the facts, Songwronger, but they don't seem to be interfering with various peoples' fantasies, prejudices, and wishful thinking. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: gnu Date: 30 Jan 12 - 08:38 PM Obama is more "American" than any who doubt his citizenship. What amazes me is the number of very strange people that get elected to public office. Yes, any idiot can file a law suit, based on inane bullshit, but elected officials with a warped sense of reality really baffles me. That may be tread drift, but not by much. How they stir up this shit is beyond me. I am not pleased with what he has "been able" to do so far, but his having to deal with idiots and nutjobs and grandstanders at every turn certainly has been even more disappointing. United you stand, divided, yer screwed. Yer choice, voters. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Bobert Date: 30 Jan 12 - 08:41 PM Ignore morons... I wished I had not responded to this very messed up person... Don't argue with the insane... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Songwronger Date: 30 Jan 12 - 09:06 PM Hey, I don't think Mitt Romney should be allowed to run for president. His father was born in Mexico, which means Mitt could apply for and be granted Mexican citizenship based on birth records. Shouldn't be allowed in the presidency. Democrats brought the eligibility issue on themselves when they shoved aside Hillary Clinton (who had earned the nomination) so Obama the Unknown could be enthroned. His first act as president was to seal his historical records. What the hell would you expect to come out of that? Hopefully the issue of citizenship will be fully explored by both parties and the media in the run-up to this election. That's the silver lining. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Alice Date: 30 Jan 12 - 09:10 PM Pass the tin foil hats again! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Bobert Date: 30 Jan 12 - 09:14 PM Back during my social worker days I went to a training session with the Department of Mental Health and recall vividly some advice: Don't argue with crazy people... Stuck with me... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Songwronger Date: 30 Jan 12 - 09:36 PM Fine. I have a candidate named Putin and one named Merkel some of you may be interested in. You have a bad habit of name calling, Bobert. Do you do it because you're bored or because you're too lazy to debate? You really shouldn't call me names, because you're laid your ignorant ass so bare on this place that a two-year-old could kick it. For example, you have some whining thread running about failed kids moving back home yaddayaddayadda. Why are you so intellectually dishonest that you can't tell them "Obama is yo mama" and kick their asses out? Or maybe you have. I avoid hillbilly soap operas so I haven't read the thread. But if you really believe Obama is The One, then kick your kids out and let them move into Obamavilles. Or send them off to fight Obama's wars. To do any less is intellectually dishonest, like I said, and could be construed as cowardice on your part. Is that what you are, a coward? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Songwronger Date: 30 Jan 12 - 09:37 PM lol |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Richard Bridge Date: 30 Jan 12 - 09:43 PM Well, even though they are pretty right-wing, Merkel certainly and Putin possibly would be better than any of the current Tea Potty nutjobs. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Bobert Date: 30 Jan 12 - 09:57 PM Debating with Charles Manson is like debating with a turtle that has just become a pancake on the interstate highway, wrongman... No, it slike debating with the highway... There is no debate... You say that water is actually fire in disguise??? Okee dokee, wrongster... Whatever??? I ain't callin' you names... I'm just pointing out that you are a friggin' nutball... That is an observation from someone with 18 years of working with mentally ill clients../. Sorry if you want to suck the non-mentally-ill into your ballgame but life is to short to... ...argue with crazy people... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Don Firth Date: 30 Jan 12 - 11:14 PM Watching Fox News rots your brain. Pity. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: John P Date: 30 Jan 12 - 11:17 PM It looks like P. T. Barnum was right. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Songwronger Date: 30 Jan 12 - 11:59 PM So you're too afraid to debate. The smell of your cowardice would choke a dog off a gut wagon, as the saying goes. You shouldn't call names. What I've laid out in this thread is perfectly reasonable. We have a constitution that spells out certain eligibility requirements. Obama was certified as ballot-worthy by the head of the DNC (Howard Dean at the time). Since then his eligibility has become suspect, and people in Alabama, Georgia and Arizona are questioning his right to be on the ballot next time around. Obama's official biography cannot be verified without the documents he withdrew from public scrutiny. I seriously doubt that he attended many (if any) classes at Columbia, and when he was a "professor" at Harvard, his lectures were probably prepared for him. He's made too many mistakes when talking extemporaneously about the constitution to be a true expert on it. He's most likely a CIA spook, and that's why his records are sealed--to hide the fact that he was working for the CIA when he was supposed to be in class at Columbia. And the Harvard job was just a way of padding his resume until a political career could be fashioned for him. As far as his place of birth, who knows? Maybe when the Attorneys General from Alabama, Georgia and Arizona look at the documents they'll be able to put the matter to rest. I hope so. I voted for Obama because he promised to end the wars. You all heard the promises. He violated them. And if he would lie to the point of killing, would he not lie in order to achieve office? He also promised "transparency," but then the first thing he did was seal his documents. So I applaud people's efforts to bring those documents to light. All of you should do the same. Daylight is good for politics. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: John P Date: 31 Jan 12 - 12:39 AM So you're too afraid to debate. Nope. Care to try again? How about it's a waste of time to debate with the willfully ignorant? you're too afraid . . . The smell of your cowardice . . . You shouldn't call names. Hee hee hee! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Don Firth Date: 31 Jan 12 - 12:53 AM Wrong-o, there is nothing to debate. You're trying to ressurect a lot of garbage that couldn't get traction with anyone but a bunch of Right-Wing bigots when it was first trotted out, and has long since been debunked. Many times. And here you are, dragging that old, dead, decaying horse out again and trying to whip it into running another race. It really Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: GUEST,Wesley S Date: 31 Jan 12 - 07:56 AM "Obama's first act as president was to seal all his records. Birth records, school records, everything. " Would it be too much to ask for a shred of proof for this allegation? From a reputable news source? And no - a birther website doesn't count. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: GUEST,Wesley S Date: 31 Jan 12 - 08:05 AM "Hey, I don't think Mitt Romney should be allowed to run for president. His father was born in Mexico, which means Mitt could apply for and be granted Mexican citizenship based on birth records. Shouldn't be allowed in the presidency." It seems that American law is not based on your likes and dislikes - From ABC News {AKA the mainstream media } : George Romney was born to American citizens living in a Mormon church colony in Chihuahua, Mexico. Even though he wasn't born in a United States territory or state, George Romney was given citizenship at birth because he was born to American citizens, essentially granting him the status of a natural-born citizen. "When you're born outside the United States to [U.S.] citizens, you have citizenship at birth," explained Peter J. Spiro, a professor of law and an expert on the law of citizenship at Temple University. "You don't have to do anything to claim your citizenship. You are a citizen from birth." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: GUEST,Wesley S Date: 31 Jan 12 - 08:20 AM About Obama's first executive order |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Greg F. Date: 31 Jan 12 - 08:25 AM elected officials with a warped sense of reality really baffles me. Can't imagine why, Gnu- simply reflects the warped sense of reality & delusions of the ignorant electorate. Q.E.D. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Little Hawk Date: 31 Jan 12 - 10:45 AM There have been issues of this sort swirling around the Chongo campaign too, ever since he first declared his candidacy. And yet there is NO ONE more loyal to the USA than Chongo Chimp! It's outrageous that some people (including some fanatics on this very forum) would question Chongo's loyalty to the United States of America and his competence to serve as president! Such people should be ashamed of themselves. They are rank specists. They don't think that an "uppity" Chimp has any right to be president, but they won't come out and admit that that's what they're really thinking. I note that Chongo has also been denied a place on the Alabama ballot. Coincidence???? I don't think so! And I further think that Chongo would make a far better president than either Obama OR Mitt F-ing Romney ever will. So there. ;-D Remember, folks: Satire has a purpose. It's purpose is to get people to look a little closer at the status quo they all take for granted, look a little closer at their own kneejerk way of thinking...and question it. King Kong died for your sins. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: John P Date: 31 Jan 12 - 10:49 AM If I were a national politician, I would do everything in my power to keep the public out of my personal life. The press, political enemies, and crazy people like Songwronger really don't have any business prying into anything that doesn't directly affect the public life of a politician. And no, sexual affairs, smoking pot when in college, and what your third grade classmate thought of you are none of our business. How would you like to have your personal dirty laundry displayed for the world to see? I know, I know, they a public figures and have less claim to privacy. I'll agree to a point, but also think the people asking the questions are making themselves public figures and should be subject to the same scrutiny. How many questions about affairs would come from the press if all the reporters and their editors had to answer any questions put to them about their own affairs? Songwornger, in order for you to question our politicians on these matters, you need to post the complete details of your own life. Where were you born? Were your parents married? Did they have sex before they were married? Have you ever had an extra-marital affair? What were your grades in high school? Were you ever reprimanded for anything? Have you ever been arrested? Have you ever used illegal drugs? Are you married? What's your favorite sexual position? What's your address and phone number? Please give us the names off all your junior high school classmates so we can find out what sort of person you are now. Actually, I don't think you really exist, since I've never seen your birth certificate. For all I know, you are a foreign spy who is trying to undermine the trust of the American people. Yes, I'm sure that's the answer. It makes perfect sense! Why else you you be saying these things? Iran! Of course. It all becomes clear now. Songwronger is an Iranian spy. The evidence is conclusive. He's trying to overthrow the government of the United States!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Richard Bridge Date: 31 Jan 12 - 11:04 AM Thank you for that clarification Wesley. Songwronger, you have now been made to look foolish and ill-informed and should withdraw. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Little Hawk Date: 31 Jan 12 - 03:27 PM Right! It's disgusting how the press is prying into everyone's private life whenever they run for office or become "newsworthy". Consider, for example, the many scurrilous rumors that have been spread on this forum by paid undercover agents of the Big Two parties regarding Chongo's... place of birth sexual procilivities extra-marital affaires supposed abandonment of mother and sister alcoholism supposed episodes of poopflinging supposed episodes of violence use of bad language lack of footwear lack of personal hygeine People who stoop to those sort of destructive tactics to damage a public figure should, as John P has suggested, be made to publicly answer ALL the same questions about THEIR private life! Thus would the hypocrites be revealed in the light of day...assuming they chose to go that route. (I'm betting they would just shut up and go away.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: John P Date: 31 Jan 12 - 04:07 PM LH, I'll go along with all of that except the poop flinging! If Chongo is flinging poop, I think we all need to know! How could we possibly have a poop flinger for president?? I know, I know, everyone has done it at one time or another, but everyone isn't running for president! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Greg F. Date: 31 Jan 12 - 04:21 PM How could we possibly have a poop flinger for president?? Guess you ain't been watching the Republican debates or their TV ads, eh? Some Olympic-quality poop flinging going on there. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Little Hawk Date: 31 Jan 12 - 04:25 PM Agreed, John! But Chongo does NOT fling poop! He may have flung poop when he was a very young ape, but he gave up those kind of wild habits when he joined civilization and started wearing clothes and that sort of thing. His role models are Humphrey Bogart and Philip Marlowe. It's absolutely unconscionable for anyone nowadays to accuse Chongo Chimp of engaging in poopflinging. Now if he were a Republican!....then I could understand it. Look at what they're doing in their silly damn primaries, for gosh sakes! But he is not a Republican. Far from it. He wouldn't join the Republican Party for all the bananas in Costa Rica. (though he might be severely tempted...) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Don Firth Date: 31 Jan 12 - 05:14 PM Republican Party def: A circular firing squad. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Bobert Date: 31 Jan 12 - 05:26 PM No, Chongz hasn't outgrown poo-flingin'... When he was in charge of security during my brief run for president in '08 he indeed was still very much into the sport... BTW, it is Monkey Nation's nationa sport so I guess it is to be expected... As is Chongz' denial... He's alot like Romney and will say anything to get a vote... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Little Hawk Date: 31 Jan 12 - 05:46 PM Sure, Bobert, sure... How much did they pay you to say that? Hmmmm? You on commission now or regular salary? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Songwronger Date: 31 Jan 12 - 07:01 PM Where'd I leave off? John P -- "willful ignorance." I agree, but you have it backward. You're projecting. Don F -- "You're trying to ressurect a lot of garbage that couldn't get traction with anyone but a bunch of Right-Wing bigots when it was first trotted out, and has long since been debunked. Many times." Debunked by whom? Where are the documents that would establish Obama's true timeline? Oh, that's right, they're sealed. Wesley S -- "'Obama's first act as president was to seal all his records. Birth records, school records, everything.' Would it be too much to ask for a shred of proof for this allegation? From a reputable news source? And no - a birther website doesn't count." Well, you can read his first Executive Order for yourself and see how Obama accomplished this. The news media widely reported at the time that E.O. 13489 created a new "transparency" in records pertaining to the presidency, but it did just the opposite. It invested the president and the attorney general with the power to keep any presidential information they want sealed. The E.O. reads: "(d) If the President decides to invoke executive privilege, the Counsel to the President shall notify the former President, the Archivist, and the Attorney General in writing of the claim of privilege and the specific Presidential records to which it relates. After receiving such notice, the Archivist shall not disclose the privileged records unless directed to do so by an incumbent President or by a final court order." It also says, "Upon receipt of a notice of intent to disclose Presidential records, the Attorney General (directly or through the Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal Counsel) and the Counsel to the President shall review as they deem appropriate the records covered by the notice and consult with each other, the Archivist, and such other executive agencies as they deem appropriate concerning whether invocation of executive privilege is justified. (b) The Attorney General and the Counsel to the President, in the exercise of their discretion and after appropriate review and consultation under subsection (a) of this section, may jointly determine that invocation of executive privilege is not justified. The Archivist shall be notified promptly of any such determination." And yes, the E.O. places (b) before (a). What all this adds up to is even more power for the president to seal records, yet you've been told it's "transparency." And of course, Obama and Holder have used the E.O. to bury Obama's records. It also conveniently keeps George W. Bush's records out of the public eye. Wesley S again -- Some argument in defense of Mitt Romney's citizenship. Mitt Romney's father was born in Mexico. Under Mexican law, Mitt Romney can apply for and receive Mexican citizenship any time he wants, based on the circumstance of his father's birth. Wesley S again -- A link to an article about Obama's first executive order, which Wesley S obviously didn't read. The link is to "usgovinfo." Yeah, you'll get unbiased information there. Little Hawk -- The monkey stuff. I missed the opening to this. John P again -- Says a politician's private life is off limits. I beg to differ. Anyone who wants to take control of the U.S. nuclear arsenal has to put his or her life on public display. Richard Bridge -- wants the subject closed. I don't blame him. Discussion degenerates into monkey talk and poop slinging. The Chongo stuff makes more sense than any of the other. Obama's hiding of his records is important. George W. Bush was an alcoholic with perhaps as many as seven DWIs, and he should never have been allowed near the presidency. But the news media helped elevate him, and look at the mess he left. Now we have another unknown in the office. Doesn't bode well. I hope some of the states succeed in keeping Obama off the ballot, force a re-examination of what it means to be an American. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: GUEST,Wesley S Date: 31 Jan 12 - 07:13 PM Name one good reason why a man running for president would apply for Mexican citizenship. Please. What possible interest would Romney have to do that? Just because he can don't mean he would. I notice you didn't like my link about the Presidents first executive order. I'm not surprised - the Tri-Lateral Commission didn't write it. But you still haven't provided a link to your claims. Don't have one that will stand up to scrutiny? Put up or shut up. You're just yanking our chains. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Bobert Date: 31 Jan 12 - 07:14 PM Monkey talk is a lot more intellectually honest than ***trying*** to have any logical discussion with a completely delusional person... Face it, wrong-man... You need serious mental health counseling and/or medication... This observation isn't about politics... It's about mental illness... BTW, I understand mental illness... During my many years in adult services and a social worker the majority of my clients came straight from Central State (Mental) Hospital in Petersburg, Va.... This isn't meant to be judgmental... Just observation... You need help... Square business... You need help... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: GUEST,Wesley S Date: 31 Jan 12 - 07:21 PM One last thing. PLEASE don't start looking into the way we faked the moon landing. We've been able to pull the wool over the worlds eyes for decades on that one. But with an insightful person like you on the case our cover will be blown. The TRUTH is out there. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 31 Jan 12 - 08:13 PM ""...but NOW some right-wing nuts want to disqualify a sitting president...."" RIGHT WINGNUTS is just about right, and when Songwronger chose that name he joined the ranks of those. Let's hope he is saner in his musical endeavours. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Songwronger Date: 31 Jan 12 - 08:18 PM There is the executive order for you to read, Mr. S. Read it yourself. It gives the power to permit viewing of records to the president and attorney general. Obama gave himself the power to police the records. Read the wording of the E.O. You shouldn't have to have it explained to you. jeez I've noticed over the years that people often gravitate to fields that help fill a need in their lives. I'm glad that you got 18 years of vicarious mental health treatment, Bobert. I'm sure it did you a world of good. Hate to imagine what you were like before. But if you're so into the treatment of mental health problems, why do you call people crazy? That would be like a civil rights activist calling someone a nigger, wouldn't it? Both are pretty unkind words. There is nothing "crazy" about questioning the origins of a man who's sealed his records from public view. It would be odd NOT to question. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 31 Jan 12 - 09:13 PM ""There is nothing "crazy" about questioning the origins of a man who's sealed his records from public view. It would be odd NOT to question."" If that statement bore any relationship to the true course of events revealed by that executive order, you might have cause to question. However, there is an enormous gap between having the authority to carry out a permitted action and actually carrying out that action. Thus far you have signally failed to produce any evidence for your claim that Obama sealed those records, merely showing that it would have been possible. Well, it would have been possible for your parents to have produced offspring with the capacity to think for themselves, but there is little evidence to suggest that they did. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Bobert Date: 31 Jan 12 - 09:40 PM Ya ever heard of a show called MASH, wrong-man... After one has been in the pits longs enough punch drunkness sets in...Social worker, when they are together, talk like this... Okay, some will deny it but it kinda goes with the territory... I've also used the term "nigga" here... Prior to going into social work I was a jail house GED teacher in the Richmond City Jail and black inmates called me "nigga" just as they called each other, "nigga"... No big deal... Again, you wouldn't begin to understand what I am talking about here... You really don't understand too much, wrong-man... I haven't lived "vicariously" thru anyone... I have been in the trenches... I don't need to blow smoke and strain to make arguments... They are all right here within me from my own life... My life's experiences are why I can tell you that you need treatment for your mental health problems... You are not healthy... You need help, wrongman... This ain't about politic... This is about your delusional thinking... Ain't my problem... It's yours... Get some help, man... Serious business... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: EBarnacle Date: 31 Jan 12 - 09:50 PM Step away from the troll, nothing to see, keep moving. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: GUEST,Wesley S Date: 31 Jan 12 - 10:20 PM I see our poster { or is that poser } can't answer any of my questions..... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Bobert Date: 31 Jan 12 - 10:29 PM Really has no answers to much of anything... Needs some serious psychological help... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Songwronger Date: 31 Jan 12 - 11:11 PM I'm a moderate when it comes to politics. I don't like welfare states but I like the FDR system, where you pay into an insurance system and get some back when you're old. That sums up my domestic politics. International politics, we have no business starting wars. Simplistic, but there it is. Pretty middle of the road. I also think we should follow the U.S. constitution, which says the U.S. is a collection of states. There's a balance between federal level government and state level, and the balance is always being tested. The Obama/ballot issue is just one of the latest tests of that balance. Can local people choose not to allow a candidate they believe hasn't passed the eligibility test on their ballot? We'll see. In the meantime, you "liberals" need to lighten up. Your snarling has the ring of fascism to it. Utter intolerance of nonconformist thinking. You guys are supposed to be about tolerance and all that, right? What else? Oh, Bobbert, you as mental health professional is quite a stretch. Mentally healthy maybe, but provider of mental health services? C'mon. And it doesn't surprise me that you call people niggers. Liberals often think they have some special dispensation. And wyziwig, I guess I'm mistaken about Obama sealing his records. Please refer me to his class attendance records for the Columbia years. Many have said that he was in the middle east during that period, doing yeoman's work for the CIA when he was supposed to be in class. But I guess you can lay that noise to rest with a link. Please post it. Thanks in advance. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Little Hawk Date: 31 Jan 12 - 11:11 PM Songwronger, I agree with a good deal of what you've said...not all of it...but a good deal of it. I post the "monkey stuff" for the same reason that political cartoonists do their cartoon stuff. It's to satirize what's actually going on in society and in politics by attacking it with barbed humor. Chongo always conveniently plays the "species" card whenever he perceives an attack...or an opportunity. And so do his supporters. The handy "species" card can be pulled out at any time to deflect any form of legitimate criticism and to demonize the critic and dismiss him as a "specist" (meaning evil, totally beyond the pale, not worth listening to). Ever hear of anyone else in the USA (or elsewhere in the world) doing that sort of thing? I have. It's a very common tactic for defending an indefensible position. You just pull out your favorite defensive "special" card, and it's based on seeing a certain group of people as noble victims, strictly on the basis of their superficial outer labels...not on the basis of their character or actual behaviour. When I say that Chongo would be a better president than either Romney or Obama, however...I'm not even joking anymore at that point! If he really existed, he probably would be a better president than either of them, because he's not part of either the Republican or the Democratic parties, and he is not a handpicked stooge of the corporate Oligarchy, which both Romney and Obama are, in my opinion. They both serve the same essential interests...but they fight for the victory of their OWN party, because that's how the game is played. And that's all it is: a game. With winners and losers. Obama won it last time around. I think he'll win it next time around too...but if he doesn't, Romney won't be much of a change, in my opinion. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Songwronger Date: 31 Jan 12 - 11:31 PM Got it. I sometimes think they elevated the wrong star from Bedtime for Bonzo. Obama will be given another term. The Democrats' announcement of planning to spend a "billion" dollars stupefied everyone I know. I tried to explain to them that that's just chump change to the people who print the money, but the shock and awe had already worked. People are now conditioned to accept Obama as inevitable because "he's spending SO much money." Sucks, because he's a monster now, and in a second term the gloves will come off. I hope all his "austerity" supporters are ready to make the choice between food and electricity. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: GUEST,999 Date: 01 Feb 12 - 02:26 AM As I see it, the USA faces a peril that is both orchestrated and intentional. The security forces being put in place by FEMA and the DHS are postured in such a way that it could be perceived as a benevolent force to meet and deal with disasters or a mad application of 'catastrophe theory meets sociology while flirting with the business machine'. The US is close to partial economic collapse, a fact that I think has been known to your highest offices in government and for which they have prepared, and what we have been seeing for nine years is a concerted effort to dismantle civil rights to allow the state the legal authority to do with people as it chooses when it chooses. That was done by two administrations in the US, one Republican and the other Democrat, and very adeptly, too. Masses of people have been distracted by the show, and people who look at pieces of the picture are denigrated not because they are wrong, but because so many media agree to be silent about it all. Until such time as you can find out exactly who gives DHS and FEMA their marching orders, you have a problem far greater than Republican or Democrat for president. You may well end up having no election at all and being presented with your next president, like it or not. Try to think of a security organization in the USA that isn't somehow under DHS's umbrella, and then ask yourself if the picture looks right. If you don't think organizations, governments and countries can be completely usurped, well, just you keep watching. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Little Hawk Date: 01 Feb 12 - 04:33 AM Right on the mark, 999. What is being set up in the USA by the last 2 administrations, Bush AND Obama, is an enormous fascist police state. An incipient dictatorship, in other words. The usual election bla-bla and frenzy of excitement between the 2 Mega-Parties is just a big media show, a grotesque soap opera to distract people from what is actually going on, and those 2 Mega-parties are the right and left wing of the same military/corporate bird of prey. Check out what Ron Paul says in his speech in Florida: Ron Paul in Florida I agree with every word he says in that speech. He is telling the truth! He wants to shut down the Federal Reserve and return to a monetary policy as was originally set out in the Constitution, with a currency backed by precious metals, NOT a fiat (money backed by nothing) currency. He wants to end ALL the undeclared wars overseas and bring the troops home. He wants to end the Patriot Act and restore civil liberties! All of that would be a return to the principles clearly set out in the Constitution. And the mainstream media barely even acknowledge Ron Paul's existence most of the time. They'd rather talk about stuffed shirts like Gingrich, Romney, and Obama who are not telling the truth....because that's who the corporate money wants people to listen to. And that's where the corporate money goes. I think the corporates very much want Obama back for a 2nd term. And it's quite plain why they would. He does what they tell him to, and he mollifies the "liberal" crowd whose civil rights he is taking away daily, because they judge the presidential "book" by its outer cover, not by its contents. Romney would do fine for the corporates too. He's their man all the way. Thus, in a contest between Obama and Romney, they simply can't lose. And they know it. So that's where their money will go, to Obama and Romney. And that's where the mainstream media attention will go...to Obama and Romney. That's how you install fascism in America. It's all done with money and well choreographed media coverage. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Richard Bridge Date: 01 Feb 12 - 07:31 AM Gold Standards caused untold misery before. A return to them would repeat that crime against humanity. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Bobert Date: 01 Feb 12 - 08:28 AM If you like Paul, LH, Google up Lyndon LaRouche and read the grand daddy of that kind of thinking... You'll absolutely love every word of it.. B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: artbrooks Date: 01 Feb 12 - 08:54 AM Some people are just silly. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Greg F. Date: 01 Feb 12 - 09:29 AM Ron Paul is not silly, he's dangerous: a lunatic looking over his shoulder for black helicopters. Read the back issues of "The Ron Paul Newsletter" - not what he's spouting now. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: artbrooks Date: 01 Feb 12 - 11:11 AM Actually, I was thinking of a couple of our resident conspiracy theorists. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Little Hawk Date: 01 Feb 12 - 12:10 PM Ho! Ho! Ho! ;-D Meerrrrrry Election! Spend big, overeat, get fleeced. Then do it all again in 2 to 4 years. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: GUEST,Wesley S Date: 01 Feb 12 - 12:59 PM Still wondering why Mitt Romney would want to be a Mexican citizen...... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: GUEST,Pepe Gonzales Date: 02 Feb 12 - 10:30 AM What the hell you talkin' about, gringo? Mexico is a beautiful land with proud citizens. She is not perfect, okay, but what place is? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: GUEST,Wesley S Date: 02 Feb 12 - 12:22 PM I agree. I love Mexico - I met my wife there. But the dufus who started this thread has the crazy idea that Mitt Romney could apply for and be granted Mexican citizenship based on the fact that his father was born there. He even thinks that Romney shouldn't be allowed to run for President because of that. It just makes no sense. I'm hoping he'll explain his "logic" behind those claims but I doubt he can. He doesn't like to provide any facts to back up his ideas. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Don Firth Date: 02 Feb 12 - 12:30 PM . . . you "liberals". . . . That bit of rhetoric tells me all I need to know about where Songwronger is coming from. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: GUEST,999 Date: 02 Feb 12 - 01:42 PM "Actually, I was thinking of a couple of our resident conspiracy theorists." Habeas corpus. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: artbrooks Date: 02 Feb 12 - 01:50 PM LH and yourself |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 02 Feb 12 - 03:55 PM it does matter constitutionally where a candidate for President is born. Nothing in your constitution about being "native born". It says "natural born", which I understand in that context would cover having at least one parent who is a US citizen (I don't think it means not having been born by Caesarian, whch is the more obvious meaning...) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Little Hawk Date: 02 Feb 12 - 04:12 PM artbrooks - It puzzles me why anyone would bother to refer to the general self-aggrandizing behaviour of a moneyed elite at the top of a society as "a conspiracy". It's not a conspiracy, it's simply a very well established way of getting things done, from their point of view and to their benefit...by the power of money. If there were only a handful of them doing it completely unbeknownst to the rest, then it would be a conspiracy. It's not hidden. It's normality. It's plain for anyone to see who bothers to actually LOOK. Oh, wait...I know why you call it a "conspiracy theory"! ;-D You do that so you can just dismiss it out of hand and not bother to actually think about it very much. It's a way of not taking seriously an opinion that differs from your own. It's a form of ridicule which avoids actual discussion of the subject. That's a very common "debating" technique these days. One sees political candidates doing it to one another too. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: artbrooks Date: 02 Feb 12 - 04:20 PM Very true, and a 'legal' definition has been avoided for generations. The current position, as defined by the Congressional Research Service a few years ago, is this: "Considering the history of the constitutional qualifications provision, the common use and meaning of the phrase "natural-born subject" in England and in the Colonies in the 1700s, the clause's apparent intent, the subsequent action of the first Congress in enacting the Naturalization Act of 1790 (expressly defining the term "natural born citizen" to include a person born abroad to parents who are United States citizens), as well as subsequent Supreme Court dicta, it appears that the most logical inferences would indicate that the phrase "natural born Citizen" would mean a person who is entitled to U.S. citizenship "at birth" or "by birth." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Little Hawk Date: 02 Feb 12 - 04:29 PM One of the first few American presidential candidates had to fight against the accusation by the opposing party that he was not born in the USA...his parents had been in Canada for a short time, and it was said that he had been born there, not in the USA, thus disqualifying him as a presidential candidate. It was a silly, capricious accusation without merit or meaning, because his entire upbringing was in the USA as an American, so it wouldn't have mattered a damn anyway if he'd been born in Canada....but politics being the ruthless and cynical game that it is, they went after him for it, regardless. It didn't stop him from getting elected. I can't remember which president it was at the moment, but I think it was James Madison. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Richard Bridge Date: 02 Feb 12 - 04:35 PM Macbeth! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Little Hawk Date: 02 Feb 12 - 04:38 PM Nay! MacDuff! I'll bet 3 to 1 odds on MacDuff. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Richard Bridge Date: 02 Feb 12 - 05:09 PM Play or villain? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: artbrooks Date: 02 Feb 12 - 08:22 PM There is also the 14th Amendment, which states that all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. In my own opinion, anyone who honestly believes that Mr. Obama is under the direct orders of big money and is responding to its dictates by taking away Americans' rights is either deluded, silly, a conspiracy theorist or smoking bad dope. Choose your spot. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Neil D Date: 02 Feb 12 - 10:33 PM Does it surprise anyone that Alabama ranks 47 out of 50 in the quality of education of its citizens? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: GUEST,999 Date: 02 Feb 12 - 11:21 PM "In my own opinion, anyone who honestly believes that Mr. Obama is under the direct orders of big money and is responding to its dictates by taking away Americans' rights is either deluded, silly, a conspiracy theorist or smoking bad dope. Choose your spot." OK, I fit three of four criteria. But, tell me how I'm wrong. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: artbrooks Date: 03 Feb 12 - 12:36 AM It is impossible to prove a negative. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Little Hawk Date: 03 Feb 12 - 12:45 AM I don't smoke dope at all, artbrooks, bad or otherwise, so it must be one or more of the other three....! (grin) Yeah, I think he's under the direct influence of Big Money, just like the presidents before him were going right back to Reagan at least and maybe a lot farther back than that, and I also think that is true of most of your senators and a great many of your congressmen. We have a difference of opinion on that, obviously. But I don't call it a "conspiracy". Hardly. It's far too obvious by now to be called anything dark, shadowy, and hidden like a conspiracy. It's completely obvious to anyone who cares to look. It's just a long established very corrupt way of doing business in Washington, that's all. It's standard behaviour. Obama promised to change things in Washington when he ran for president. That was a good laugh. He hasn't changed a thing, but Washington may well have changed him. I can't say for sure, though, because I can't read his mind. I did have high hopes in him back in 2008, I was absolutely delighted when he was elected, had a smile on my face for days afterward, but those hopes vanished pretty quickly once he was in office. And the Republicans...Arrgh!!! They would be just as bad, if not even worse. What would I do if I was living down there? I'd move. I don't think it's wise to live in a country that has just passed "security" legislation that allows the government to arrest or kill anyone they think might be a threat to national security (meaning anyone they don't like) and deny them their Constitutional rights of habeus corpus. No sir. Not wise at all to remain there if you have anywhere else to go....unless, of course, you plan to work for the powers that be and turn your neighbours in. If so, you could have quite an illustrious career ahead of you, maybe even get a government badge and an official armband to wear as you round up the "suspects" in your town or neighborhood. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Ebbie Date: 03 Feb 12 - 03:21 AM "One of the first few American presidential candidates had to fight against the accusation by the opposing party that he was not born in the USA...his parents had been in Canada for a short time, and it was said that he had been born there, not in the USA, thus disqualifying him as a presidential candidate." Little Hawk Chester A. Arthur, 21st 21st president of the United States |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: GUEST,999 Date: 03 Feb 12 - 07:48 AM Neat article about CA Arthur. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Ebbie Date: 03 Feb 12 - 11:27 AM It is true that Arthur's father, born in Ireland, was a naturalized US citizen. His mother, however, was born American. I don't understand- or at least, I hope I don't - the contention of the author of that article/book. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Little Hawk Date: 03 Feb 12 - 11:32 AM Thanks, Ebbie, I had an idea it was James Madison for some reason...but it's been quite awhile since I read the article about that, having come across it somehow while studying some stuff about the history of various past USA presidents. I found it interesting that a president other than Obama had been vigorously attacked over somewhat the same spurious (in my opinion) issue of his alleged birthplace. A person's birthplace is not important, in my opinion...what's important is his cultural background. If he was brought up AS an American, then he IS an American as far as I'm concerned, even if he was born on the Moon. Party politics is a very ugly business. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Little Hawk Date: 03 Feb 12 - 11:41 AM VERY interesting article, 999! It seems that Chester Arthur may have told a few lies on his way to the top....ummmm...yeah?....well, GEEZ, he WAS a politician, right???? ;-D And in politics you can lie all you want....it's pretty much standard routine...and it's perfectly all right to lie as long as you don't get caught! If you do get caught, consult Bill Clinton for the best possible response/denial/evasion/etc. The man is an absolute master. (grin) He can get out of practically anything...a tar pit, a bear trap, a briar patch...anything. Too bad for the Democrats that he couldn't have gone for a 3rd and even a 4rth term a la Roosevelt. I'd have found that a hell of a lot more entertaining and enjoyable than putting up with George Bush for 8 years! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Wesley S Date: 03 Feb 12 - 12:46 PM "and it's perfectly all right to lie as long as you don't get caught! " Actually it seems as if the standard operating procedure these days is to double down when you get caught. And question the right of the reporter who would dare ask you such a "gotcha" question. I still think that what Bill Clinton should have done about Monica was to tell the reporters that what he and Monica did was none of their damn business. And that the only person he needed to answer to was Hillary. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Greg B Date: 03 Feb 12 - 12:50 PM In breaking news, Alabama has indicated that according to local tradition, for the coming election Barack Obama's name would have to be on the BACK of the ballot. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Little Hawk Date: 03 Feb 12 - 01:24 PM LOL!!!!!!!! Good one, Greg. But a bit chilling... Wesley - You said, "I still think that what Bill Clinton should have done about Monica was to tell the reporters that what he and Monica did was none of their damn business. And that the only person he needed to answer to was Hillary." I agree 100% with that. That's exactly what he should have done. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: pdq Date: 03 Feb 12 - 02:36 PM "Does it surprise anyone that Alabama ranks 47 out of 50 in the quality of education of its citizens?" List time I checked, that nation's worst primary education scores came from California, Arkansas, Mississippi and Hawaii. Trouble in paradise? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 03 Feb 12 - 02:56 PM ""Gold Standards caused untold misery before. A return to them would repeat that crime against humanity."" If Laughing Boy Brown had kept hold of our reserves it would have saved most of the misery of this recession and left us, just for once, on the right side of the balance sheet. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Little Hawk Date: 03 Feb 12 - 04:58 PM Money that is backed by (and fully redeemable!) in something REAL is real money. With real value. That something real has traditionally been gold, silver, platinum...precious metals. Money that is created out of thin air in the form of debt is NOT real money. It's fiat money. It's created by banks making loans to business people, individuals, and governments, and charging interest on those loans. Fiat money is created out of thin air by the stroke of a computer key and the signing of a signature on a loan document. It greatly enriches the bankers and creates cyclical "boom and bust" scenarios and rampant inflation that impoverishes everyone in society but the banks and their richest cronies. When the bust scenario gets really bad, the government bails out the big banks that created the whole mess by pulling money out of an invisible hat, rather like a magician...and the government bailout creates more debt!!! And the general public pays that debt...over time...with interest. That's how fiat money NOT based on anything real has bankrupted our society, eviscerated the middle class, and robbed our children of a secure future. It's like a legalized counterfeiting operation, and it's how the bankers get richer and richer while others get poorer and poorer. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 03 Feb 12 - 05:16 PM Damn right LH, and as if selling itself wasn't enough of a cluster fuck, he had to sell just as gold was at its lowest value in decades. Now, seven or eight years on, it's at its highest value in decades and we don't have any. So anybody who wants to tell me that the Coalition are to blame for any part of it should go peddle it at the local Funny Farm. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Little Hawk Date: 03 Feb 12 - 05:37 PM The fractional reserve lending system which governments have long allowed the banks to use is to blame for it. That, and replacing the old silver certificates (USA paper money redeemable in silver) with worthless federal reserve notes. Reagan really opened Pandora's box when he further de-regulated the banks, but the chickens took some time to come home to roost. Initially, Reagan's de-regulation policy created a misleading "boom" scenario as massive amounts of fiat money poured into the economy. It was followed by the inevitable "bust", just like the hangover after the drunken party. There have been a series of such boom and bust cycles. The last really BIG bust was in 2008...and we're still way down in the trough of the wave. *** Who are you referring to, Don, when you say "the Coalition"? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: GUEST,songbob Date: 03 Feb 12 - 10:49 PM "George Romney was born to American citizens living in a Mormon church colony in Chihuahua, Mexico." Actually, Romney's parents were NOT US citizens, having been born to parents who left the Utah TERRITORY before statehood. They left the territory because of the ban on polygamy, and settled in that Mormon colony. George Romney was born in 1907, but not to US citizens. Most of the sources say they were citizens, but I don't see how they could have been. Unless they were US citizens who moved to Utah, thence to Mexico. I suppose that is possible. But they weren't US residents even before moving to Mexico. Bob |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Little Hawk Date: 04 Feb 12 - 12:35 AM I'm surprised we haven't had any "alien" parentage rumours yet about either Obama or Romney...and I don't mean non-USA parentage when I say that...I'm referring to outer space aliens! ;-D Now, there's an accusation that could really raise some eyebrows. What if either Obama or Romney are actually alien beings planted in the political process by agents of the Borg or the Klingons or the Ferengi or someone else like that? What if they secretly have green blood and breathe through gills hidden under their clothing? Party hacks on both sides are really letting their loyal constituents down by not trying that devastating gambit for destroying their political opponents. And it would bring a whole new level of reason and maturity to the election-year dialogue... ;-D Or should I say, monologue? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Don Firth Date: 04 Feb 12 - 01:32 AM Gingrich? Definintely Ferengi. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Joe Offer Date: 04 Feb 12 - 01:35 AM Remember, Songbob, that most people born in U.S. territories are U.S. citizens. Utah became a territory in 1850. So, George Romney's parents were most likely U.S. Citizens. Still, it's interesting that there didn't seem to be a stink about Republican candidates George Romney and John McCain, who most certainly were born outside the U.S. Nobody questions the citizenship of Obama's mother - why, then, do so many question his eligibility to be President? I think it's because of the color of his skin. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: NightWing Date: 04 Feb 12 - 01:42 AM In case anyone's interested (Songwronger won't be), Don(Wyziwyg)T's statement <http://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=143028&messages=99#3299987> that
"there is an enormous gap between having the authority to carry out a permitted action and actually carrying out that action." while true per se, remains moot. It doesn't quite address the situation.
EO13489
Thus, EO13489 very explicitly does not cover anyone's birth certificate, which is an official record of a state agency. In other words, it does not give the President the authority to do ANYTHING about his own (or anyone else's) birth certificate.
BB,
Yeah, I know this'll just bring him back out into the open again, but it's fun watching him froth at the mouth. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: GUEST,999 Date: 04 Feb 12 - 09:48 AM I think those of you who see conspiracies everywhere oughta read this. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Jeri Date: 04 Feb 12 - 10:18 AM I don't like what Monsanto does, but the original sharer's spinning of the facts doesn't help, IMO. Regarding your link 999: if they track people in the Federal Government since Clinton who took office in 1993, 15 have ties to Monsanto. That's out of how many high-ish level Federal Government employees throughout those 19 years total? That picture shows less than one fed per year gets a gig with Monsanto. To me, it proves the opposite of what it's trying to prove. I think following the money and the actions of people would be a lot scarier. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: GUEST,999 Date: 04 Feb 12 - 10:55 AM However, my point is these people are in bed together and too damned many of them cut their teeth with Monsanto, much as Cheney cut his with Halliburton. No collusion there, right? The proximity of big business to government? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Wesley S Date: 04 Feb 12 - 02:43 PM From Today's Atlanta Journal Constitution: Judge: Obama eligible to be Georgia candidate By Bill Rankin The Atlanta Journal-Constitution President Barack Obama's name will remain on the Georgia primary ballot after a state law judge flatly rejected legal challenges that contend he can not be a candidate. In a 10-page order, Judge Michael Malihi dismissed one challenge that contended Obama has a computer-generated Hawaiian birth certificate, a fraudulent Social Security number and invalid U.S. identification papers. He also turned back another that claimed the president is ineligible to be a candidate because his father was not a U.S. citizen at the time of Obama's birth. The findings by Malihi, a judge for the State Office of Administrative Hearings, go to Secretary of State Brian Kemp, who will make the final determination. Last month, at a hearing boycotted by Obama's lawyer, Malihi considered complaints brought by members of the so-called "birther" movement. With regard to the challenge that Obama does not have legitimate birth and identification papers, Malihi said he found the evidence "unsatisfactory" and "insufficient to support plaintiffs' allegations." A number of the witnesses who testified about the alleged fraud were never qualified as experts in birth records, forged documents and document manipulation and "none ... provided persuasive testimony," Malihi wrote. Addressing the other claim that contends Obama cannot be a candidate because his father was never a U.S. citizen, Malihi said he was persuaded by a 2009 ruling by the Indiana Court of Appeals decision that struck down a similar challenge. In that ruling, the Indiana court found that children born within the U.S. are natural-born citizens, regardless of the citizenry of their parents. Obama "became a citizen at birth and is a natural-born citizen," Malihi wrote. Accordingly, Obama is eligible as a candidate for the upcoming presidential primary in March, the judge said. Even though Malihi ruled in Obama's favor, he expressed displeasure that the president's lawyer, Michael Jablonski of Atlanta, refused to attend the recent hearing. "By deciding this matter on the merits, the court in no way condones the conduct or legal scholarship of defendant's attorney, Mr. Jablonski," Malihi wrote. "This decision is entirely based on the law, as well as the evidence and legal arguments presented at the hearing." |
