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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Wesley S Date: 04 Feb 12 - 02:43 PM From Today's Atlanta Journal Constitution: Judge: Obama eligible to be Georgia candidate By Bill Rankin The Atlanta Journal-Constitution President Barack Obama's name will remain on the Georgia primary ballot after a state law judge flatly rejected legal challenges that contend he can not be a candidate. In a 10-page order, Judge Michael Malihi dismissed one challenge that contended Obama has a computer-generated Hawaiian birth certificate, a fraudulent Social Security number and invalid U.S. identification papers. He also turned back another that claimed the president is ineligible to be a candidate because his father was not a U.S. citizen at the time of Obama's birth. The findings by Malihi, a judge for the State Office of Administrative Hearings, go to Secretary of State Brian Kemp, who will make the final determination. Last month, at a hearing boycotted by Obama's lawyer, Malihi considered complaints brought by members of the so-called "birther" movement. With regard to the challenge that Obama does not have legitimate birth and identification papers, Malihi said he found the evidence "unsatisfactory" and "insufficient to support plaintiffs' allegations." A number of the witnesses who testified about the alleged fraud were never qualified as experts in birth records, forged documents and document manipulation and "none ... provided persuasive testimony," Malihi wrote. Addressing the other claim that contends Obama cannot be a candidate because his father was never a U.S. citizen, Malihi said he was persuaded by a 2009 ruling by the Indiana Court of Appeals decision that struck down a similar challenge. In that ruling, the Indiana court found that children born within the U.S. are natural-born citizens, regardless of the citizenry of their parents. Obama "became a citizen at birth and is a natural-born citizen," Malihi wrote. Accordingly, Obama is eligible as a candidate for the upcoming presidential primary in March, the judge said. Even though Malihi ruled in Obama's favor, he expressed displeasure that the president's lawyer, Michael Jablonski of Atlanta, refused to attend the recent hearing. "By deciding this matter on the merits, the court in no way condones the conduct or legal scholarship of defendant's attorney, Mr. Jablonski," Malihi wrote. "This decision is entirely based on the law, as well as the evidence and legal arguments presented at the hearing." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: GUEST,999 Date: 04 Feb 12 - 10:55 AM However, my point is these people are in bed together and too damned many of them cut their teeth with Monsanto, much as Cheney cut his with Halliburton. No collusion there, right? The proximity of big business to government? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Jeri Date: 04 Feb 12 - 10:18 AM I don't like what Monsanto does, but the original sharer's spinning of the facts doesn't help, IMO. Regarding your link 999: if they track people in the Federal Government since Clinton who took office in 1993, 15 have ties to Monsanto. That's out of how many high-ish level Federal Government employees throughout those 19 years total? That picture shows less than one fed per year gets a gig with Monsanto. To me, it proves the opposite of what it's trying to prove. I think following the money and the actions of people would be a lot scarier. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: GUEST,999 Date: 04 Feb 12 - 09:48 AM I think those of you who see conspiracies everywhere oughta read this. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: NightWing Date: 04 Feb 12 - 01:42 AM In case anyone's interested (Songwronger won't be), Don(Wyziwyg)T's statement <http://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=143028&messages=99#3299987> that
"there is an enormous gap between having the authority to carry out a permitted action and actually carrying out that action." while true per se, remains moot. It doesn't quite address the situation.
EO13489
Thus, EO13489 very explicitly does not cover anyone's birth certificate, which is an official record of a state agency. In other words, it does not give the President the authority to do ANYTHING about his own (or anyone else's) birth certificate.
BB,
Yeah, I know this'll just bring him back out into the open again, but it's fun watching him froth at the mouth. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Joe Offer Date: 04 Feb 12 - 01:35 AM Remember, Songbob, that most people born in U.S. territories are U.S. citizens. Utah became a territory in 1850. So, George Romney's parents were most likely U.S. Citizens. Still, it's interesting that there didn't seem to be a stink about Republican candidates George Romney and John McCain, who most certainly were born outside the U.S. Nobody questions the citizenship of Obama's mother - why, then, do so many question his eligibility to be President? I think it's because of the color of his skin. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Don Firth Date: 04 Feb 12 - 01:32 AM Gingrich? Definintely Ferengi. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Little Hawk Date: 04 Feb 12 - 12:35 AM I'm surprised we haven't had any "alien" parentage rumours yet about either Obama or Romney...and I don't mean non-USA parentage when I say that...I'm referring to outer space aliens! ;-D Now, there's an accusation that could really raise some eyebrows. What if either Obama or Romney are actually alien beings planted in the political process by agents of the Borg or the Klingons or the Ferengi or someone else like that? What if they secretly have green blood and breathe through gills hidden under their clothing? Party hacks on both sides are really letting their loyal constituents down by not trying that devastating gambit for destroying their political opponents. And it would bring a whole new level of reason and maturity to the election-year dialogue... ;-D Or should I say, monologue? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: GUEST,songbob Date: 03 Feb 12 - 10:49 PM "George Romney was born to American citizens living in a Mormon church colony in Chihuahua, Mexico." Actually, Romney's parents were NOT US citizens, having been born to parents who left the Utah TERRITORY before statehood. They left the territory because of the ban on polygamy, and settled in that Mormon colony. George Romney was born in 1907, but not to US citizens. Most of the sources say they were citizens, but I don't see how they could have been. Unless they were US citizens who moved to Utah, thence to Mexico. I suppose that is possible. But they weren't US residents even before moving to Mexico. Bob |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Little Hawk Date: 03 Feb 12 - 05:37 PM The fractional reserve lending system which governments have long allowed the banks to use is to blame for it. That, and replacing the old silver certificates (USA paper money redeemable in silver) with worthless federal reserve notes. Reagan really opened Pandora's box when he further de-regulated the banks, but the chickens took some time to come home to roost. Initially, Reagan's de-regulation policy created a misleading "boom" scenario as massive amounts of fiat money poured into the economy. It was followed by the inevitable "bust", just like the hangover after the drunken party. There have been a series of such boom and bust cycles. The last really BIG bust was in 2008...and we're still way down in the trough of the wave. *** Who are you referring to, Don, when you say "the Coalition"? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 03 Feb 12 - 05:16 PM Damn right LH, and as if selling itself wasn't enough of a cluster fuck, he had to sell just as gold was at its lowest value in decades. Now, seven or eight years on, it's at its highest value in decades and we don't have any. So anybody who wants to tell me that the Coalition are to blame for any part of it should go peddle it at the local Funny Farm. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Little Hawk Date: 03 Feb 12 - 04:58 PM Money that is backed by (and fully redeemable!) in something REAL is real money. With real value. That something real has traditionally been gold, silver, platinum...precious metals. Money that is created out of thin air in the form of debt is NOT real money. It's fiat money. It's created by banks making loans to business people, individuals, and governments, and charging interest on those loans. Fiat money is created out of thin air by the stroke of a computer key and the signing of a signature on a loan document. It greatly enriches the bankers and creates cyclical "boom and bust" scenarios and rampant inflation that impoverishes everyone in society but the banks and their richest cronies. When the bust scenario gets really bad, the government bails out the big banks that created the whole mess by pulling money out of an invisible hat, rather like a magician...and the government bailout creates more debt!!! And the general public pays that debt...over time...with interest. That's how fiat money NOT based on anything real has bankrupted our society, eviscerated the middle class, and robbed our children of a secure future. It's like a legalized counterfeiting operation, and it's how the bankers get richer and richer while others get poorer and poorer. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 03 Feb 12 - 02:56 PM ""Gold Standards caused untold misery before. A return to them would repeat that crime against humanity."" If Laughing Boy Brown had kept hold of our reserves it would have saved most of the misery of this recession and left us, just for once, on the right side of the balance sheet. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: pdq Date: 03 Feb 12 - 02:36 PM "Does it surprise anyone that Alabama ranks 47 out of 50 in the quality of education of its citizens?" List time I checked, that nation's worst primary education scores came from California, Arkansas, Mississippi and Hawaii. Trouble in paradise? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Little Hawk Date: 03 Feb 12 - 01:24 PM LOL!!!!!!!! Good one, Greg. But a bit chilling... Wesley - You said, "I still think that what Bill Clinton should have done about Monica was to tell the reporters that what he and Monica did was none of their damn business. And that the only person he needed to answer to was Hillary." I agree 100% with that. That's exactly what he should have done. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Greg B Date: 03 Feb 12 - 12:50 PM In breaking news, Alabama has indicated that according to local tradition, for the coming election Barack Obama's name would have to be on the BACK of the ballot. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Wesley S Date: 03 Feb 12 - 12:46 PM "and it's perfectly all right to lie as long as you don't get caught! " Actually it seems as if the standard operating procedure these days is to double down when you get caught. And question the right of the reporter who would dare ask you such a "gotcha" question. I still think that what Bill Clinton should have done about Monica was to tell the reporters that what he and Monica did was none of their damn business. And that the only person he needed to answer to was Hillary. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Little Hawk Date: 03 Feb 12 - 11:41 AM VERY interesting article, 999! It seems that Chester Arthur may have told a few lies on his way to the top....ummmm...yeah?....well, GEEZ, he WAS a politician, right???? ;-D And in politics you can lie all you want....it's pretty much standard routine...and it's perfectly all right to lie as long as you don't get caught! If you do get caught, consult Bill Clinton for the best possible response/denial/evasion/etc. The man is an absolute master. (grin) He can get out of practically anything...a tar pit, a bear trap, a briar patch...anything. Too bad for the Democrats that he couldn't have gone for a 3rd and even a 4rth term a la Roosevelt. I'd have found that a hell of a lot more entertaining and enjoyable than putting up with George Bush for 8 years! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Little Hawk Date: 03 Feb 12 - 11:32 AM Thanks, Ebbie, I had an idea it was James Madison for some reason...but it's been quite awhile since I read the article about that, having come across it somehow while studying some stuff about the history of various past USA presidents. I found it interesting that a president other than Obama had been vigorously attacked over somewhat the same spurious (in my opinion) issue of his alleged birthplace. A person's birthplace is not important, in my opinion...what's important is his cultural background. If he was brought up AS an American, then he IS an American as far as I'm concerned, even if he was born on the Moon. Party politics is a very ugly business. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Ebbie Date: 03 Feb 12 - 11:27 AM It is true that Arthur's father, born in Ireland, was a naturalized US citizen. His mother, however, was born American. I don't understand- or at least, I hope I don't - the contention of the author of that article/book. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: GUEST,999 Date: 03 Feb 12 - 07:48 AM Neat article about CA Arthur. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Ebbie Date: 03 Feb 12 - 03:21 AM "One of the first few American presidential candidates had to fight against the accusation by the opposing party that he was not born in the USA...his parents had been in Canada for a short time, and it was said that he had been born there, not in the USA, thus disqualifying him as a presidential candidate." Little Hawk Chester A. Arthur, 21st 21st president of the United States |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Little Hawk Date: 03 Feb 12 - 12:45 AM I don't smoke dope at all, artbrooks, bad or otherwise, so it must be one or more of the other three....! (grin) Yeah, I think he's under the direct influence of Big Money, just like the presidents before him were going right back to Reagan at least and maybe a lot farther back than that, and I also think that is true of most of your senators and a great many of your congressmen. We have a difference of opinion on that, obviously. But I don't call it a "conspiracy". Hardly. It's far too obvious by now to be called anything dark, shadowy, and hidden like a conspiracy. It's completely obvious to anyone who cares to look. It's just a long established very corrupt way of doing business in Washington, that's all. It's standard behaviour. Obama promised to change things in Washington when he ran for president. That was a good laugh. He hasn't changed a thing, but Washington may well have changed him. I can't say for sure, though, because I can't read his mind. I did have high hopes in him back in 2008, I was absolutely delighted when he was elected, had a smile on my face for days afterward, but those hopes vanished pretty quickly once he was in office. And the Republicans...Arrgh!!! They would be just as bad, if not even worse. What would I do if I was living down there? I'd move. I don't think it's wise to live in a country that has just passed "security" legislation that allows the government to arrest or kill anyone they think might be a threat to national security (meaning anyone they don't like) and deny them their Constitutional rights of habeus corpus. No sir. Not wise at all to remain there if you have anywhere else to go....unless, of course, you plan to work for the powers that be and turn your neighbours in. If so, you could have quite an illustrious career ahead of you, maybe even get a government badge and an official armband to wear as you round up the "suspects" in your town or neighborhood. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: artbrooks Date: 03 Feb 12 - 12:36 AM It is impossible to prove a negative. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: GUEST,999 Date: 02 Feb 12 - 11:21 PM "In my own opinion, anyone who honestly believes that Mr. Obama is under the direct orders of big money and is responding to its dictates by taking away Americans' rights is either deluded, silly, a conspiracy theorist or smoking bad dope. Choose your spot." OK, I fit three of four criteria. But, tell me how I'm wrong. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Neil D Date: 02 Feb 12 - 10:33 PM Does it surprise anyone that Alabama ranks 47 out of 50 in the quality of education of its citizens? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: artbrooks Date: 02 Feb 12 - 08:22 PM There is also the 14th Amendment, which states that all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. In my own opinion, anyone who honestly believes that Mr. Obama is under the direct orders of big money and is responding to its dictates by taking away Americans' rights is either deluded, silly, a conspiracy theorist or smoking bad dope. Choose your spot. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Richard Bridge Date: 02 Feb 12 - 05:09 PM Play or villain? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Little Hawk Date: 02 Feb 12 - 04:38 PM Nay! MacDuff! I'll bet 3 to 1 odds on MacDuff. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Richard Bridge Date: 02 Feb 12 - 04:35 PM Macbeth! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Little Hawk Date: 02 Feb 12 - 04:29 PM One of the first few American presidential candidates had to fight against the accusation by the opposing party that he was not born in the USA...his parents had been in Canada for a short time, and it was said that he had been born there, not in the USA, thus disqualifying him as a presidential candidate. It was a silly, capricious accusation without merit or meaning, because his entire upbringing was in the USA as an American, so it wouldn't have mattered a damn anyway if he'd been born in Canada....but politics being the ruthless and cynical game that it is, they went after him for it, regardless. It didn't stop him from getting elected. I can't remember which president it was at the moment, but I think it was James Madison. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: artbrooks Date: 02 Feb 12 - 04:20 PM Very true, and a 'legal' definition has been avoided for generations. The current position, as defined by the Congressional Research Service a few years ago, is this: "Considering the history of the constitutional qualifications provision, the common use and meaning of the phrase "natural-born subject" in England and in the Colonies in the 1700s, the clause's apparent intent, the subsequent action of the first Congress in enacting the Naturalization Act of 1790 (expressly defining the term "natural born citizen" to include a person born abroad to parents who are United States citizens), as well as subsequent Supreme Court dicta, it appears that the most logical inferences would indicate that the phrase "natural born Citizen" would mean a person who is entitled to U.S. citizenship "at birth" or "by birth." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Little Hawk Date: 02 Feb 12 - 04:12 PM artbrooks - It puzzles me why anyone would bother to refer to the general self-aggrandizing behaviour of a moneyed elite at the top of a society as "a conspiracy". It's not a conspiracy, it's simply a very well established way of getting things done, from their point of view and to their benefit...by the power of money. If there were only a handful of them doing it completely unbeknownst to the rest, then it would be a conspiracy. It's not hidden. It's normality. It's plain for anyone to see who bothers to actually LOOK. Oh, wait...I know why you call it a "conspiracy theory"! ;-D You do that so you can just dismiss it out of hand and not bother to actually think about it very much. It's a way of not taking seriously an opinion that differs from your own. It's a form of ridicule which avoids actual discussion of the subject. That's a very common "debating" technique these days. One sees political candidates doing it to one another too. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 02 Feb 12 - 03:55 PM it does matter constitutionally where a candidate for President is born. Nothing in your constitution about being "native born". It says "natural born", which I understand in that context would cover having at least one parent who is a US citizen (I don't think it means not having been born by Caesarian, whch is the more obvious meaning...) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: artbrooks Date: 02 Feb 12 - 01:50 PM LH and yourself |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: GUEST,999 Date: 02 Feb 12 - 01:42 PM "Actually, I was thinking of a couple of our resident conspiracy theorists." Habeas corpus. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Don Firth Date: 02 Feb 12 - 12:30 PM . . . you "liberals". . . . That bit of rhetoric tells me all I need to know about where Songwronger is coming from. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: GUEST,Wesley S Date: 02 Feb 12 - 12:22 PM I agree. I love Mexico - I met my wife there. But the dufus who started this thread has the crazy idea that Mitt Romney could apply for and be granted Mexican citizenship based on the fact that his father was born there. He even thinks that Romney shouldn't be allowed to run for President because of that. It just makes no sense. I'm hoping he'll explain his "logic" behind those claims but I doubt he can. He doesn't like to provide any facts to back up his ideas. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: GUEST,Pepe Gonzales Date: 02 Feb 12 - 10:30 AM What the hell you talkin' about, gringo? Mexico is a beautiful land with proud citizens. She is not perfect, okay, but what place is? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: GUEST,Wesley S Date: 01 Feb 12 - 12:59 PM Still wondering why Mitt Romney would want to be a Mexican citizen...... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Little Hawk Date: 01 Feb 12 - 12:10 PM Ho! Ho! Ho! ;-D Meerrrrrry Election! Spend big, overeat, get fleeced. Then do it all again in 2 to 4 years. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: artbrooks Date: 01 Feb 12 - 11:11 AM Actually, I was thinking of a couple of our resident conspiracy theorists. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Greg F. Date: 01 Feb 12 - 09:29 AM Ron Paul is not silly, he's dangerous: a lunatic looking over his shoulder for black helicopters. Read the back issues of "The Ron Paul Newsletter" - not what he's spouting now. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: artbrooks Date: 01 Feb 12 - 08:54 AM Some people are just silly. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Bobert Date: 01 Feb 12 - 08:28 AM If you like Paul, LH, Google up Lyndon LaRouche and read the grand daddy of that kind of thinking... You'll absolutely love every word of it.. B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Richard Bridge Date: 01 Feb 12 - 07:31 AM Gold Standards caused untold misery before. A return to them would repeat that crime against humanity. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Little Hawk Date: 01 Feb 12 - 04:33 AM Right on the mark, 999. What is being set up in the USA by the last 2 administrations, Bush AND Obama, is an enormous fascist police state. An incipient dictatorship, in other words. The usual election bla-bla and frenzy of excitement between the 2 Mega-Parties is just a big media show, a grotesque soap opera to distract people from what is actually going on, and those 2 Mega-parties are the right and left wing of the same military/corporate bird of prey. Check out what Ron Paul says in his speech in Florida: Ron Paul in Florida I agree with every word he says in that speech. He is telling the truth! He wants to shut down the Federal Reserve and return to a monetary policy as was originally set out in the Constitution, with a currency backed by precious metals, NOT a fiat (money backed by nothing) currency. He wants to end ALL the undeclared wars overseas and bring the troops home. He wants to end the Patriot Act and restore civil liberties! All of that would be a return to the principles clearly set out in the Constitution. And the mainstream media barely even acknowledge Ron Paul's existence most of the time. They'd rather talk about stuffed shirts like Gingrich, Romney, and Obama who are not telling the truth....because that's who the corporate money wants people to listen to. And that's where the corporate money goes. I think the corporates very much want Obama back for a 2nd term. And it's quite plain why they would. He does what they tell him to, and he mollifies the "liberal" crowd whose civil rights he is taking away daily, because they judge the presidential "book" by its outer cover, not by its contents. Romney would do fine for the corporates too. He's their man all the way. Thus, in a contest between Obama and Romney, they simply can't lose. And they know it. So that's where their money will go, to Obama and Romney. And that's where the mainstream media attention will go...to Obama and Romney. That's how you install fascism in America. It's all done with money and well choreographed media coverage. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: GUEST,999 Date: 01 Feb 12 - 02:26 AM As I see it, the USA faces a peril that is both orchestrated and intentional. The security forces being put in place by FEMA and the DHS are postured in such a way that it could be perceived as a benevolent force to meet and deal with disasters or a mad application of 'catastrophe theory meets sociology while flirting with the business machine'. The US is close to partial economic collapse, a fact that I think has been known to your highest offices in government and for which they have prepared, and what we have been seeing for nine years is a concerted effort to dismantle civil rights to allow the state the legal authority to do with people as it chooses when it chooses. That was done by two administrations in the US, one Republican and the other Democrat, and very adeptly, too. Masses of people have been distracted by the show, and people who look at pieces of the picture are denigrated not because they are wrong, but because so many media agree to be silent about it all. Until such time as you can find out exactly who gives DHS and FEMA their marching orders, you have a problem far greater than Republican or Democrat for president. You may well end up having no election at all and being presented with your next president, like it or not. Try to think of a security organization in the USA that isn't somehow under DHS's umbrella, and then ask yourself if the picture looks right. If you don't think organizations, governments and countries can be completely usurped, well, just you keep watching. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Songwronger Date: 31 Jan 12 - 11:31 PM Got it. I sometimes think they elevated the wrong star from Bedtime for Bonzo. Obama will be given another term. The Democrats' announcement of planning to spend a "billion" dollars stupefied everyone I know. I tried to explain to them that that's just chump change to the people who print the money, but the shock and awe had already worked. People are now conditioned to accept Obama as inevitable because "he's spending SO much money." Sucks, because he's a monster now, and in a second term the gloves will come off. I hope all his "austerity" supporters are ready to make the choice between food and electricity. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama denied place on Alabama ballot From: Little Hawk Date: 31 Jan 12 - 11:11 PM Songwronger, I agree with a good deal of what you've said...not all of it...but a good deal of it. I post the "monkey stuff" for the same reason that political cartoonists do their cartoon stuff. It's to satirize what's actually going on in society and in politics by attacking it with barbed humor. Chongo always conveniently plays the "species" card whenever he perceives an attack...or an opportunity. And so do his supporters. The handy "species" card can be pulled out at any time to deflect any form of legitimate criticism and to demonize the critic and dismiss him as a "specist" (meaning evil, totally beyond the pale, not worth listening to). Ever hear of anyone else in the USA (or elsewhere in the world) doing that sort of thing? I have. It's a very common tactic for defending an indefensible position. You just pull out your favorite defensive "special" card, and it's based on seeing a certain group of people as noble victims, strictly on the basis of their superficial outer labels...not on the basis of their character or actual behaviour. When I say that Chongo would be a better president than either Romney or Obama, however...I'm not even joking anymore at that point! If he really existed, he probably would be a better president than either of them, because he's not part of either the Republican or the Democratic parties, and he is not a handpicked stooge of the corporate Oligarchy, which both Romney and Obama are, in my opinion. They both serve the same essential interests...but they fight for the victory of their OWN party, because that's how the game is played. And that's all it is: a game. With winners and losers. Obama won it last time around. I think he'll win it next time around too...but if he doesn't, Romney won't be much of a change, in my opinion. |
