BS: North Korea Rocket Launch Fails

Subject: BS: North Korea Rocket Launch Fails
From: Rapparee
Date: 12 Apr 12 - 08:16 PM

From Al-Jazeera (you can also check CNN, BBC, etc.):

North Korea has launched a ballistic rocket carrying a weather satellite, the South Korean defence ministry said.

Defence ministry spokesman Kim Min-seok told reporters the rocket had been launched at 7:39am local time on Friday (22:39 GMT on Thursday).

South Korean officials said the rocket broke up and crashed in the first few minutes of its flight. Japanese authorities have also said that the rocket fell into the sea.

"The flying object is believed to have flown for more than one minute and fallen into the ocean," Naoki Tanaka, the Japanese defence minister, told reporters on Friday. "This does not affect our country's territory at all."

The launch drew international criticism due to concerns it could further the state's ability to deliver a nuclear warhead. North Korea has rejected that criticism, saying that it has a right to launch satellites.

The Unha-3 rocket took off from a new launch site on the west coast of North Korea, near the Chinese border, and if successful would enhance Pyongyang's ability to build an intercontinental ballistic missile capable of delivering a nuclear weapon, critics say.

The three-stage rocket's flight path was expected to take it over the sea between the Korean peninsula and China, where the first stage was due to splash down. A second stage was due to land in waters off the Philippines.

South Korean authorities said that initial reports indicated that the first and second stages of separation did not occur, Al Jazeera's Harry Fawcett reported from Seoul, the South Korean capital.

A US official confirmed North Korea had launched a long-range rocket despite warnings from major powers that the move would trigger further sanctions.

Subject: RE: BS: North Korea Rocket Launch Fails
From: Greg B
Date: 12 Apr 12 - 09:54 PM

Kim Jong Fail.

Subject: RE: BS: North Korea Rocket Launch Fails
From: Rapparee
Date: 12 Apr 12 - 10:06 PM

Helluva a way to celebrate Kim Il Sung's 100th birthday (April 15th).

Subject: RE: BS: North Korea Rocket Launch Fails
From: Charley Noble
Date: 12 Apr 12 - 10:09 PM

Well, getting rockets to shoot up is what rocket science is all about. I bet someone is very embarrassed.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: North Korea Rocket Launch Fails
From: Beer
Date: 12 Apr 12 - 10:32 PM

Heads will be chopped on this one.

Subject: RE: BS: North Korea Rocket Launch Fails
From: GUEST,999
Date: 12 Apr 12 - 10:42 PM

"I bet someone is very embarrassed."

I doubt s/he will be for long.

Subject: RE: BS: North Korea Rocket Launch Fails
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 12 Apr 12 - 10:54 PM

Sadly this poor excuse for a country can't feed it's starving citizens but wastes precious resources on the folly of fools!

Subject: RE: BS: North Korea Rocket Launch Fails
From: Bobert
Date: 12 Apr 12 - 10:58 PM

Who didn't know it was going to fail???

This is friggin' North Korea... These folks are serious fuck-ups...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: North Korea Rocket Launch Fails
From: GUEST,999
Date: 12 Apr 12 - 11:45 PM

Bad leaders can do that to countries, Bobert.

Subject: RE: BS: North Korea Rocket Launch Fails
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Apr 12 - 12:06 AM

This has been a tempest in a teapot all along...a pointless bunch of yelling about nothing by politicians who should know better, but they're playing mind games on the public and on each other, as usual.

Any country on Earth should have the right to build and launch a rocket that propels a satellite into space. A great many countries have already done so. There's no reason whatsoever that North Korea should not be allowed to do so.

And such a satellite can carry a nuclear warhead too? Yes, of course it can. And so what? Can anyone think of ANY reason why North Korea would use such a rocket to fire a nuclear warhead FIRST at, for instance, Japan or the USA when such an action would result in a retaliatory strike that would utterly massacre all of North Korea?

There IS no reason why they would do that. It's asinine to even think they would. They'd be committing suicide if they did.

Therefore, there has been no reason at all for anyone to be creating a phony crisis over North Korea building such a rocket. They have a right to put satellites in space if they want to, and they have a right to build such rockets as a deterrent to attack by others if they want to. And it's nobody's business if they do.

To attempt to make political hay out of such a situation is total bullshit, and I'm amazed people are gullible enough to fall for it.

As for the failed launch, well, they'll build another one presently and they'll probably eventually get it right. And it still won't matter. So don't worry about it.

The only possible thing about it that does matter is this: it gives them a deterrent against a FIRST attack by far greater powers than themselves. If they can strike back effectively even ONCE with a nuclear weapon against an attack by, say, the USA or some other great power, then it becomes much less likely that far greater powers then they will be tempted to attack them. And that's probably why they want such rockets. For defense. As a deterrent. That I can understand. And I have no objection to them having such a deterrent. In fact, I think it would be a darned good thing if they did.

If Iran already had such a deterrent in place, for instance, the USA and Israel would not be flirting with the idea of launching a quick and presumably controllable pre-emptive war upon them. The consequences for the attacker would be too severe, and it would no longer be a comfortable or affordable option for Israel or America to launch a war of choice on Iran. It would prevent such a war being launched. And that also would be a darned good thing.

It is gross inequality in weapons that allows the easy decision to launch a war of choice...because the attacker thinks he can win without serious losses. That is why gross inequality in weapons between nations who are potential opponents is a very dangerous thing. It makes aggression all too easy for he who has the nukes and other weapons advantages. The temptation to take advantage of the opponent's inability to match firepower is then very strong.

Subject: RE: BS: North Korea Rocket Launch Fails
From: Rapparee
Date: 13 Apr 12 - 09:51 AM

First, LH, NK is the single most militarized country on Earth. Check here for a non-biased appraisal.

Secondly, Seoul, with 10,464,051 people in the city, a population density of 17,000/km2 (45,000/sq mi), and a metropolitan area population of 23,616,000, is within artillery range of the DPRK and there are MANY artillery pieces aimed that way.

To use a nuke would bring death and destruction from the US, from China, from Russia, and a lot of other places. No, it wouldn't make sense but then much of what the DPRK does makes no sense even to their allies (mostly China).

The UN maintains a presence in the ROK simply because the war never ended (although the US is thinking about withdrawing its last Infantry division).

It would be eminently possible for the DRPK to launch a satellite and do it right -- Japan and China would both help, I'm sure. But as long as this monarchy continues the path it's trod since 1948 I don't see anything helping its citizens, and God, Buddha, and Allah all know they desperately need it because if you ain't Party and Pyongyang, you ain't shit.

Subject: RE: BS: North Korea Rocket Launch Fails
From: Greg F.
Date: 13 Apr 12 - 10:07 AM

Gee wiz, another bogeyman gone. Now what will they terrorize the U.S. population with next?


this poor excuse for a country can't feed it's starving citizens

Of course, there are no starving people in the U.S. Are there?

Subject: RE: BS: North Korea Rocket Launch Fails
From: bubblyrat
Date: 13 Apr 12 - 10:33 AM

I thought that it hadn't been launched yet, and was only just in the fuelling up phase ,with a launch date in two weeks time , as stated in "The Times" today ? ; or have the NK s got a whole battery of rockets to test ??

Subject: RE: BS: North Korea Rocket Launch Fails
From: GUEST,999
Date: 13 Apr 12 - 10:58 AM

LH, the parallel I see with your argument is one that's been put forth by comedians and the NRA. Pat Paulsen suggested that the way to stop skyjackings was to give each passenger that boarded the plane a loaded gun. The NRA argues that 'an armed population is a polite population'.

There are too many countries with crazies at the helms. Israel, the USA, North Korea, Canada, Iran, etc, etc, etc.

We had people going all nutzo when the reactor failed in Japan. That was small potatoes compared to a nuclear war. N Korea's leader is a nut job. So too is Iran's leadership. They are LUNATICS. Imagine the US with a Christian leadership that's just salivating at the thought of The Fucking Rapture, or right-wing (I mean real right-wing, not the hard-line leadership it has now) religious Jews who await the second coming. Or assholes in Islam who think their god is really gonna give them a whole wad of virgins, or, or, or.

There is absolutely NO satisfactory answer to the difficulty posed by today's weapons: not atomic, not biological, not chemical. Well, there is, but I don't think the human race is mature enough to destroy them, so it will continue risking its own destruction, a process that will be started by the WEAKEST or most unstable mind of the lot. Sleep well.

Subject: RE: BS: North Korea Rocket Launch Fails
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Apr 12 - 11:57 AM

You're right that there IS no satisfactory answer to the difficulty posed by today's weapons, 999. Dead right.

It's a problem that doesn't provide any clear answer, and it never will. Like you say...sleep well.

I still say it's asinine, though, to be obsessing about North Korea building a rocket that can fire a satellite into space, and that there's no reason why they or any other country should not do so. It's their business and nobody else's. The West has been using it as an opportunity to spread some fatuous scare propaganda.

The situation with both North Korea and Iran is kind of like this...

The USA and Israel have enormous nuclear and conventional strike capability. They can massacre whom they wish, if they wish. They are like a couple of very wealthy ranchers in the Wild West in the 1800s who have enormous ranchlands, huge houses, hundreds of heavily armed cowboys in their employ, and hundreds of guns at their command.

They are obsessing over a nearby community of Mexican peons who are merely rumoured to possibly be attempting to acquire ONE functioning six-shooter! THIS cannot be allowed, because everyone knows that Mexicans are both ignorant and NUTS and might do anything! The rich ranchers are terrified that these impoverished Mexicans will one day acquire that ONE six-shooter...perhaps even THREE or FOUR six-shooters...and then attack the big ranches! This causes terror to the ranchers, their families, their wives and kids, and all those well-armed cowboys and other decent people who live in the big ranches. Terror, I tell you! Those insane Mexicans MUST be stoppped before they get a chance to arm themselves with any guns!

Therefore, they suggest that a very good solution to forestall this terrible danger of Mexicans acquiring guns is simple: Order their 1,000 heavily armed cowboys to ride with guns a-blazing into the Mexican village, shoot hell out of the place, kill anyone who resists, occupy it, "democratize" (exploit) it, and turn it into another nice little piece of controlled American/Israeli ranchland. This will be GOOD for those poor Mexicans. ;-) They'll probably thank us afterwards. Yeah.

And do it NOW...before those goddamn barely human Mexicans acquire even ONE SINGLE functioning pistol or rifle. That will minimize our losses. Hell, we might not lose even a single cowboy while we hit 'em with Shock and Awe...or we might lose one or two who are careless and get hit over the head by a shovel or a hoe while they're mowing down Pepe and Carlos in the fields.

It's that ridiculous. It's as ridiculous as Hitler claiming that Poland was a dire threat to Germany in 1939. And he did claim that. And most Germans believed him. They had been told that the Poles were dirty, slovenly, undemocratic, were terrorizing German nationals in Poland, were brutal and cruel, and were intent on attacking Germany itself. And the German public and the young German soldiers believed it. Why wouldn't they believe it when their government and media had been telling them so relentlessly for a couple of years?

And, yeah, they probably figured the Polish leaders were nuts too. Capable of anything!

These are the justifications offered for wars of choice by the very pragmatic and ruthless people in major powers who plan and prosecute wars of choice. They always say they have to do it because the people they're attacking are led by crazy people who must be stopped NOW...before they attack somebody.

That's a lie. The real crazy people are the ones who launch the wars of choice. The ones who DO attack. But they're not crazy in the sense that they don't know what they're doing or have started babbling or hallucinating. They're not technically crazy, they're just morally bankrupt. They know very well what they're doing. They're adding some more new and valuable holdings to the big ranch...and eliminating some inconvenient competition for available resources.

How many countries did Hitler launch wars of choice on? Quite a few. How many countries has the USA launched wars of choice on? Quite a few. How many countries have launched a war of choice on the USA in the last hundred years? One. It was Japan, in December '41.

(911 was no Pearl Harbour. 911 was not the launching of a war at all...it was an isolated terrorist act by a rather small and secret group of conspirators. They did not do it on behalf of any nation or government...they did it on behalf of themselves and their radical political views. It was not an act of war, it was a criminal act, it should not have been used as an excuse to justify acts of war by the USA and its allies. It WAS intended by the perpetrators to provoke a series of wars, and it succeeded brilliantly in doing that, but that should not have been America's response to 911. It should have been responded to in a rational way, by international police work and legal measures, not by sending mechanized armies and air forces into Afganistan and Iraq. This was akin to responding to some wasp stings by attacking and burning down the entire house that the offending wasp nest is located on...it happens, in this case, to be a neighbour's house!)

So, you want to figure out whose leaders are really crazy (in a moral sense)? Look to the countries who repeatedly launch wars of choice. In the 30s and 40s, those countries were Japan, Germany, and Italy. (and the Soviet Union, when they attacked Finland). Those were the countries led by the ammoral "nuts" at that time.

More recently, those countries who launch wars of choice have been primarily the USA, Israel, and the UK. They all have launched wars of choice, they frequently talk about the possibility of launching further wars of choice (just to get their public ready to line up in support), wars they figure they can easily win, because they have overwhelming firepower and superior war equipment.

And they think that's...okay! Hitler, and Tojo, and Mussolini thought it was okay too. After all...they all were, in their own view, "the good guys", right? ;-) Who isn't the good guy in his own view?

Subject: RE: BS: North Korea Rocket Launch Fails
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 13 Apr 12 - 12:20 PM

First, the North Korean government's primary approach to international diplomacy is geared toward threats and blackmail, which so far has, unfortunately, worked. This country has no concern for its people other than making sure they labor in the yoke, starve, and they continue to imprison anyone who doesn't want to comply. They have no interest in launching a "weather satellite" in my opinion, and they already pose a threat to every country in southeast Asia. They want to up the ante to threatening every country on the globe. I am glad their rocket failed, and I hope the US had something to do with it. Furthermore, I hope we will take a position of shooting down any further attempt at a launch.

Subject: RE: BS: North Korea Rocket Launch Fails
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 13 Apr 12 - 12:38 PM

The moral equivalency argument that perceives the US and UK as modern counterparts of the Fascist Regimes of World War 2 is a specious analogy that someone who has a working knowledge of that conflict should frankly be above, by the way.

Subject: RE: BS: North Korea Rocket Launch Fails
From: Rob Naylor
Date: 13 Apr 12 - 02:17 PM

Little Hawk, when highlighting North Korea's "right to defend itself against aggression", let's not forget who was the aggressor in the Korean war. It was North Korea which invaded the south in 1950!

I'm probably one of the very few posters on Mudcat who's not only visited North Korea, but actually worked there for a few months. I was on a seismic survey crew working under the auspices of a Norwegian aid programme and as such had a bit more interaction with people who were not "Party Cadres" than most westerners who've been there.

When I was there it was a *seriously* fucked up society and nothing I've seen since appears to indicate that it's changed much. I would honestly be terrified if I thought they had nuclear delivery capability as I have no doubt that it would take very little for them to actually push the button. There are undoubtedly people high in their decision-making structure who would take brinkmanship to its logical limit.

The people we came into contact with were not only cowed and subservient, but *highly* brainwashed. Any kind of attempts at sensible discussion quickly degenerated into political ranting. Every single thing that went wrong on the crew...normal equipment malfunctions such as electrical leakage in geophones and hydrophones...was "of course" down to "imperialist sabotage" and we spent as much time "looking for saboteurs" as we did actually fixing the kit. They simply wouldn't believe that kit sometimes broke down! At least 2 of the 10-12 North Korean technical assistants assigned to our crew (and supervised by over 20 political personnel) were "disappeared" during our stay, having been thought to have sabotaged our kit (trust me, they hadn't!).

I've worked in over 50 countries in my 36 year career in surveying, including Libya, Syria, Congo, Iran and Yemen. I've been shot at in Angola, jailed in Mauretania and hijacked in Brazil, but North Korea was without a doubt the most frightening place I've worked, in terms of just not being able to figure out what made the locals tick, and how I should adapt to maximise chances of actually getting out again. I put the country in an ENTIRELY different category to somewhere like Iraq, Iran or Afghanistan when it comes to concern about what they're able to arm themselves with and what they're likely to do.

I agree that this whole current thing is probably over-hyped but if they ever do get a functioning nuclear delivery capability, I truly believe they'd eventually use it in a first strike rather than as a deterrent.

Subject: RE: BS: North Korea Rocket Launch Fails
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 13 Apr 12 - 03:00 PM

USA has withdrawn its offer of food aid to NK because of the missile test.

Subject: RE: BS: North Korea Rocket Launch Fails
From: Rapparee
Date: 13 Apr 12 - 03:08 PM

There are enough defectors from NK (and good luck to ya! -- the Chinese send you back if you're caught, and that means a prison camp, and the life expectancy there is three years max) that have written books or otherwise shared their experiences to shed light on life in the DPRK.

When I was there in 1969 (with the US Army) I got around ROK a bit, from the DMZ to south of Seoul. At the time, the DPRK were sending infiltrators south and believe me, they were messed up mentally!

Read about the Blue House Raid, the Samchok landings, the EC-121 shootdown...and that is NOT to say that the UN/US/ROK forces were "right." But the NK infiltrators certainly weren't.

Subject: RE: BS: North Korea Rocket Launch Fails
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 13 Apr 12 - 04:47 PM

"First, the North Korean government's primary approach to international diplomacy is geared toward threats and blackmail..."

What a profound contrast to the countries in which the rest of us live...

Subject: RE: BS: North Korea Rocket Launch Fails
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Apr 12 - 05:34 PM

I fully agree, Rob and Rap, with all your above criticisms of North Korea for its bellicose attitude, its vicious police state, its attack on the South in 1950, and its generally awful society. Yeah, it's a horrible place! No argument there.   

But I really can't see why they would contemplate committing national suicide by firing a first strike nuke at anyone. What for? What could it gain them? What could they think it would gain them? Like any other military power, however, they want to have the same basic weapons capability that their potential opponents have. This is simply a normal desire for any military power. It's the oldest story in the world. The other side gets bows and arrows? We want bows and arrows. They get steel edged weapons? We want steel edged weapons. And so on. Why should anyone be surprised that countries like North Korea or Pakistan or Iran would wish to have a nuclear deterrent? How else can they protect themselves against an attack BY greater military powers? Answer: they can't. They either surrender at some point...or they get an effective deterrent.

Their attack in 1950 was not a suicidal effort, such as a nuclear strike would be now. It was a very well-planned military campaign, a carefully calculated risk, and the northern forces were much better armed and better organized than what faced them in the South. They quickly won victory after victory against the South Korean and American and U.N. forces. They came within a hair of succeeding in taking over all of South Korea, and causing a surrender of the trapped U.N. forces at Pusan (?), but a maximum effort by the American air force and Navy and the Inchon landings turned it all around. That was a very close thing. So that war did not in any way indicate that the North Koreans are nuts or that they do insane, irrational things...it indicated to the contrary that they planned well and carefully, they measured the real chances of victory in 1950, and they very nearly succeeded.

For them to throw a nuke at someone now would not succeed, it would cause their defeat and their annihilation, and I very much doubt that they are not able to figure that out. Therefore it's not in their interests to do it. But it is in their interests to have an effective deterrent capability against such an attack.

To say that another country is being led by insane people who would deliberately commit national suicide by making a first nuclear strike with a tiny nuclear arsenal is a peculiar leap of faith or it's just plain wishful thinking...or it's just cynical propaganda which is indulged in by administrations who wish to justify their own aggressive actions toward that country. I've heard it said so many times by now, trotted out as an excuse for what? For a first strike by the strong against the weak, that's what. It was the same old excuse for attacking Saddam. It is the same old excuse for attacking Iran.

It's the same old, "My neighbour is insane. I know he's been planning to kill me. And that's why I'm going to walk across the street tomorrow and kill him first."

The police won't buy that line. Neither will I. And it is a clear violation of any civil or international law to do that, not just on a trivial level, but on the highest level. We don't allow pre-emptive murder to be done in normal civil society, and we should not allow pre-emptive wars to be launched in normal world society. Murder is murder. If you do it...by your own choice...then you're guilty of it.

The USA government should be on trial for having done that to Iraq in 2003, for example. Just like the Nazis at Nuremberg...Bush, Rumsfeld, Wolfwitz, and all the rest of that crew should be on trial in an international court for having committed war crimes against humanity.

The only reason they're not on trial for it is, they and their alliance didn't lose the resultant war (yet) and haven't been hunted down and caught by the victors...or committed suicide in their bunker under the White House as the victors closed in on them.

In fact, I think the war they launched is still just in its opening phases. It might get a whole lot larger, and it might draw in some major opposition involving the Russians and the Chinese. Or...if we're all lucky...it might just dwindle wretchedly along and eventually wind down with no real victor.   That's what it's been doing so far.

When I compare the politics of the USA's pre-emptive wars to Hitler's politics, I am not saying that the western alliance is like the Nazis on every level and in every way. Not by any means. I'm simply saying that they are like the Nazis in this specific way: they think they have a perfect a moral right to launch pre-emptive wars of choice on other nations. They think nobody else has that right...just they do.

We wouldn't find that kind of attitude tolerable or acceptable if others had it. We cannot justify doing it ourselves. It's wrong when North Korea does it (as in 1950). It's wrong when China does it (as when they took over Tibet). It was wrong when Saddam did it in Kuwait. It's wrong when we do it in Afghanistan or Iraq or Iran. It's wrong. Period. "Pre-emptive" war IS a crime, no matter who does it, and no matter to whom, and no matter what the excuse they come up with to justify it. The excuse is never the real reason, anyway....unless the one making the excuse is truly out of touch with reality. (I'd say that in Hitler's case, that was at least partially the problem...he was mentally ill on certain issues, such as his bizarre ideas about racial purity.)

Subject: RE: BS: North Korea Rocket Launch Fails
From: Rapparee
Date: 13 Apr 12 - 10:10 PM

There are basically three avenues by which ROK can be invaded from the DPRK.

The East Coast strip is bordered by the Taebek Mountains to the West, and ALL Korean mountains are steep and rough. Until you get quite far south you're pretty much limited to a narrow strip.

The central avenue is via the Chorwon Valley, from which you can move west and south.

The West Coast -- on which Seoul is located -- is a flat avenue pretty much all the way south.

In June, 1950, North Korea utilized all of these avenues to push the ROK Army (which was not, at the time, among the world's finest defense force) south towards Pusan (Busan). US troops from Japan -- very inadequately trained and equipped -- were sent to help the ROKs stop the invasion; eventually a perimeter was set up around Pusan (I'm going to use the spellings and names I'm familiar with). In October (I think), 1950, Dug-out Doug pulled truly magnificent piece of military strategy and did an end-run, landing forces at Inchon. These re-captured Seoul and at the same time the forces around Pusan broke out to the north.

Note that these were NOT all US forces: the UK, France, Turkey, Australia, Ethiopia and many other countries made up the UN forces.

The UN troops pushed the NK Army back north, capturing many and killing more. Truman told Macarthur, "Don't go near the Yalu" but Doug did and literally hundreds of thousands of Chinese troops crossed into Korea. Macarthur didn't believe this, but things like the Chosin Reservoir forced him to change his mind. Then Truman fired him for disobedience (which was fully deserved).

The UN finally got the forces moving north again, and everything settled down around the 38th Parallel -- which was the border when the damned thing started in the first place.

During this time, Seoul was captured and re-captured four (4) times.

Peace talks started in 1951, a truce was agreed to in 1953, and the war is technically still going on. Periodically North Korea does something, like sink a ROK naval vessel or kidnap a South Korean or a Japanese or land some agents or shell a village, just to keep their hand in and the pressure up.

The DPRK has a policy of "juche" or "self-reliance" ("Burn everything English except their coal!"). Since the 1990s the country has been in famine and rice from various countries, including the US, has found its way to the DPRK. Very little seems to have made its way outside of Pyongyang.

LH, please look into the lives of Kim Il Sung and Kim Jong Il. NK is a monarchy led by the self-deluded. I only hope that the generals are not, because the ROK is one of the world's economic powerhouses and in a position to help their northern brethren IF the saber-rattling would end and actual cooperation could be achieved. ANY war on the Korean Peninsula would have repercussions far, far beyond that small piece of land.

Subject: RE: BS: North Korea Rocket Launch Fails
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 14 Apr 12 - 03:13 AM

Why has everyone got a "right" to put chunks of hardware in space, hardware that may fallback down again and land on a large city?

Subject: RE: BS: North Korea Rocket Launch Fails
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 14 Apr 12 - 03:15 AM

Those pesky particle beams!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: North Korea Rocket Launch Fails
From: Charley Noble
Date: 14 Apr 12 - 08:46 AM

Rob-

Nice background post.

Little Hawk-

Nice rant. Where do you find the time?

There was a time, in the late 1940s, when industrial development in North Korea was decades ahead of what existed in South Korea. No doubt international sanctions hindered further development but its own paranoid Communist elite controlled system has led to its decline over the years. The South surpassed the North by the end of the 1960s.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: North Korea Rocket Launch Fails
From: catspaw49
Date: 14 Apr 12 - 09:03 AM

Awwww.......poor widdle North Korea........they built a widdle wocket...........widdle wocket be fucked up........widdle wocket go boom............North Korea need to learn fwum widdle wocket.............when you be fucked up, you go boom...........

fuckem




Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: North Korea Rocket Launch Fails
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 14 Apr 12 - 01:22 PM

catspaw49, 'Right on' the target!.....don't you wish all the guys with 'poor widdle ballistic missiles, would do the same. Maybe if the 'guys' on top, had their FORCE 'go boom'...it might just have to affect their behaviors?
...it might even affect preemptive fear mongering.

Regards,

GfS

P.S. We actually agree on something! Holy smokes!

Subject: RE: BS: North Korea Rocket Launch Fails
From: GUEST,999
Date: 14 Apr 12 - 02:11 PM

GfS, once you fall into that man's shenanigans the end is near. However, with WC himself no longer around, well . . . .

Subject: RE: BS: North Korea Rocket Launch Fails
From: wysiwyg
Date: 14 Apr 12 - 09:58 PM

Unha = nuh-a

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: North Korea Rocket Launch Fails
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 14 Apr 12 - 11:34 PM

999, Actually, I'm not sure of which you speak.

Regards,

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: North Korea Rocket Launch Fails
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 15 Apr 12 - 11:46 AM

O-o-o-o-o-o-oh, 999?......fill me in on your post.....please?

Gfs

Subject: RE: BS: North Korea Rocket Launch Fails
From: GUEST,999
Date: 15 Apr 12 - 04:01 PM

Spaw: he's a bad influence, but one wonderful guy. Just don't get him talking about Nascar. He did some of the funniest writing this place ever saw. He still clears the high bar when he can be arsed. Just a word to the wise, GfS.

Subject: RE: BS: North Korea Rocket Launch Fails
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 16 Apr 12 - 02:16 AM

Who is??...and what am I supposed to watching for??
I wonder if he and I would mix it up....but I don't know who 'he' is or what you're talking about.

(At least when I'm not sure about something, I'll ask..)

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: North Korea Rocket Launch Fails
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 16 Apr 12 - 11:22 AM

That'll teach 'em to rely on Chinese and Taiwanese electronics.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: North Korea Rocket Launch Fails
From: GUEST,999
Date: 16 Apr 12 - 12:26 PM

LOL

Subject: RE: BS: North Korea Rocket Launch Fails
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 16 Apr 12 - 01:17 PM

Don T: "That'll teach 'em to rely on Chinese and Taiwanese electronics."

Why not?...Clinton 'gave' ours to them.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: North Korea Rocket Launch Fails
From: GUEST,Marks(on the road)
Date: 16 Apr 12 - 07:54 PM

There is a larger worry.

What if they get it right?

Geeeeeez

Subject: RE: BS: North Korea Rocket Launch Fails
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 17 Apr 12 - 01:40 AM

Well yeah....maybe Obama will send some technicians...or at least the Maytag repairman!

GfS