BS: Supreme Court rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX!

Subject: BS: SCOTUS rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX!
From: Songwronger
Date: 28 Jun 12 - 05:40 PM

The Supreme Court of the U.S. ruled today that Obamacare is legal. Basically, it's okay because it's a tax. So now, Americans will be forced to buy health insurance because it's a "tax" (nudge nudge wink wink).

What will we be required to buy next because it's a "tax?"

This is the largest single tax hike in the history of humanity, by the way.

Subject: RE: BS: SCOTUS rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX!
From: GUEST,999
Date: 28 Jun 12 - 05:46 PM

Yes. And it's a good one.

Subject: RE: BS: SCOTUS rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX!
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 28 Jun 12 - 05:48 PM

Please combine this with Spaw's thread on the same topic or everyone with a differing opinion will be forced to start their own thread with their opinion as the headline.

Subject: RE: BS: SCOTUS rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX!
From: Songwronger
Date: 28 Jun 12 - 05:48 PM

It's the foot in the door. What's next, the mandatory Tootsie Roll tax?

The middle class will now be taxed out of existence. Your children will starve to death.

Subject: RE: BS: SCOTUS rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX!
From: Songwronger
Date: 28 Jun 12 - 05:51 PM

Oh, yeah. You'd better hide this news. Combine it, bury it.

All you bastards who don't pay your Obamacare "tax" will soon have IRS SWAT teams kicking in your doors.

Subject: RE: BS: SCOTUS rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX!
From: GUEST,999
Date: 28 Jun 12 - 05:52 PM

Songwronger, you are being foolish. Your so-called middle class doesn't exist.

Subject: RE: BS: SCOTUS rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX!
From: Bill D
Date: 28 Jun 12 - 05:59 PM

"...will soon have IRS SWAT teams kicking in your doors."

If you read...or listened... to the explanations, you'd know that there is very little penalty for not paying the tax.

Subject: RE: BS: SCOTUS rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX!
From: Don Firth
Date: 28 Jun 12 - 06:00 PM

"This is the largest single tax hike in the history of humanity, by the way."

Not so, Wrong-o. You completely misunderstand (or more likely, intentionally misrepresent) what the law is all about. And as far as being the largest tax hike in the history of humanity, that's just bloody rediculous. It affects only those who don't already have or refuse to get health insurance, because if they THEN get sick and need health care service, it throws the burden of paying for it on other taxpayers who already HAVE health insurance.

DO try to understand these things!

Don Firth

Subject: BS: Affordable Heathcare Act -Roberts vote?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 28 Jun 12 - 06:00 PM

I thought I would join the headline contest started by wronger. Jump in everyone. the water is fine!

But I do think that the Chief's decision was interesting. But then, he still thinks Corporations are people and money is speech.

Like threads will be combined. Two already have been. --mudelf

Subject: RE: BS: SCOTUS rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX!
From: Bill D
Date: 28 Jun 12 - 06:03 PM

...and besides, the real penalty for NOT paying the tax should be NOT getting benefits when you have an emergency.

I suspect that 'most' will just opt into the system and be glad they did.

Subject: RE: BS: Affordable Heathcare Act -Roberts vote?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 28 Jun 12 - 06:32 PM

Mandates are great!! ask the expert!

Subject: RE: BS: SCOTUS rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX!
From: Rapparee
Date: 28 Jun 12 - 06:44 PM

I've read the syllabus prepared by SCOTUS. I suggest others, who don't seem to understand the decision, do the same. (Look it up yourself! -- I'm retired.)

Subject: RE: BS: SCOTUS rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX!
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 28 Jun 12 - 06:58 PM

This what you read rap?

Subject: RE: BS: SCOTUS rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX!
From: robomatic
Date: 28 Jun 12 - 07:52 PM

I think the decision is a victory for Democracy in that it presents the argument that if you want to institute a total health system, the government is the only power that can bring it off, and if they can tax the people, they can mandate the people. (Distinction without a difference?).

Meanwhile, if you think there is no difference between the candidates, you are not paying attention. Obama drove the health care act and has the Supremes behind his right to institute it. Romney, after driving a health care act in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts has now decided, with some help from his base, that this time he's going to oppose it.

There's reason to get out there and fight the good fight!

Subject: RE: BS: SCOTUS rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX!
From: Rapparee
Date: 28 Jun 12 - 07:54 PM

Yes.

Subject: RE: BS: SCOTUS rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX!
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Jun 12 - 08:01 PM

Now that's out of the way lets kick the for-profit insurance folks out and get a single-payer plan. Really piss off the GOP.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: SCOTUS rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX!
From: Amos
Date: 28 Jun 12 - 08:04 PM

Sadwronger, you really mixed it up in your haid, dude.


A

Subject: RE: BS: SCOTUS rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX!
From: Ebbie
Date: 28 Jun 12 - 08:15 PM

I think he may have misled us with his title; Handwringer is more like it.

Subject: RE: BS: SCOTUS rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX!
From: Bobert
Date: 28 Jun 12 - 08:50 PM

The wrongman is playing the sour grapes boogie...

Obama was smart to go out of his way to say that he he thought the legislation was constitutional and put Roberts on notice that it was time for the court to get out of politics (even for one day)... Roberts knows that after Bush v. Gore and Citizen's United that he and his boys were running out of holes to be punched on the card before there was going to be hell to pay...

The fact that people have been camped out before the court demanding that these people set aside politics and act like judges but additional pressure on Roberts...

He did what he felt he had to do to and not what he wanted to do...

B~

Subject: BS: Chances of Repealing Obamacare Zero...
From: Bobert
Date: 28 Jun 12 - 10:13 PM

Lets get real here...

Romeny says that he's going to repeal "Obamacare"...

The Republican House says it's going to repeal "Obamacare"...

Under existing Senate rules it will take 60 votes to repeal "Obamacare"...

The votes aren't there now and the TeaPubs ain't gonna pick up ii seats in November... Vegas odds-makers have them breaking even, at best...

So, what we are seeing is more subterfuge, more obstructionism, more sandbagging and more game-playing by the TeaPubs...

And in the words of the late Walter Cronkite, "And that's the way it is"...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX!
From: Elmore
Date: 28 Jun 12 - 10:24 PM

No New Taxis!

Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX!
From: Rapparee
Date: 28 Jun 12 - 10:24 PM

If you didn't bother to read the syllabus -- the Supremes did NOT state that the Act was a tax, it stated that part of the Act fell under the taxing authority of Congress -- the part related to Medicare.

Wrongsonger, love it or leave it!!

Subject: RE: BS: Chances of Repealing Obamacare Zero...
From: Elmore
Date: 28 Jun 12 - 10:25 PM

Thank Dog.

Subject: RE: BS: Chances of Repealing Obamacare Zero...
From: Bobert
Date: 28 Jun 12 - 10:29 PM

Well, Elmore... Not too sure about which dog to thank but "zero" is probably on the high side of the TeaPubs chances of repealing the Affordable Care Act... It's more like in the minuses..

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX!
From: Sawzaw
Date: 28 Jun 12 - 11:02 PM

Now that I have heard the chief justice's reasoning, it does not sound bad like a bad ruling at all.

My concern is where is there anything in the act to make health care more affordable?

Has anyone's health insurance gone down?

Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX!
From: Joe Offer
Date: 28 Jun 12 - 11:09 PM

I've had significant savings, since my 23-yr-old stepson is still covered under my insurance policy. I'm sure people with "existing conditions" have found the same.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX!
From: Bobert
Date: 28 Jun 12 - 11:09 PM

The part that Obama made reference to is the part that seems to be the ele4phant in the room and..

... the reason why health insurance companies hate this legislation...

They have to spend 85% of premiums on, ahhhhhh, health care... That's what Obama meant by folks would be receiving checks in the mail from their health insurance companies...

Least spoken aspect but BIGGER than big!!!

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX!
From: Joe Offer
Date: 28 Jun 12 - 11:14 PM

This "Obamacare" legislation isn't socialized medicine. It's American-style, corporate healthcare. The legislation attempts to force the insurance corporations to give the people what they're paying for. What a concept!

Too bad we can't trust the corporations to do that without being forced to.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX!
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 28 Jun 12 - 11:37 PM

Calling the payment that uninsured people must pay a "penalty" is a political fiction.

There are numerous established processes in which persons can "opt out" of "legal requirements" by making "payments in kind" of by "bonding" (frequently with annual forfeitures of the bond amounts - i.e. annyal "payments.") This is especially prevalent in state laws mandating liability insurance for drivers/vehicles.

It gives those who can't, or won't, buy insurance to pay a nominal "fee" that (theoretically) shows "ability to pay" in lieu of having conventional insurance.

The "fines" for not being insured under the health insurance act are, at least for now, quite nominal compared to typical payments for existing insurance policies in effect prior to the act. They are in (inadequate) part, a perfectly appropriate payment for the cost to the people as a whole of being an uninsured burden.

A goal of the act was to create more affordable policies available to the uninsured before the fees escalate; and there has been visible progress on that front, although of course we'd like to see a lot more of that kind of progress.

Congress has plenty of time to work the wrinkles out of the act, if there are still valid objections, although that's unlikely until Republicans abandon their stated policy of obstruction based on their principle that the party is more important than the Country, and the "big donors" are the only ones that the party needs to satisfy.

John

Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX!
From: GUEST,999
Date: 29 Jun 12 - 12:38 AM

I shall come back to the question: what will they tell the bear when they have no more cookies?

The American people are within inches of regaining their democracy. Do so. The rest can be sorted later.

As a btw, President Obama just got re-elected.

Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX!
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 29 Jun 12 - 01:38 AM

Would you please explain who is the bear and what are the cookies?

Do you mean these cookies?


I know one of these guys must be the bear!

Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX!
From: GUEST,888--I'm under the weather
Date: 29 Jun 12 - 01:57 AM

The guy ya watch out for is second from the left.

As for the cookie, cool. Watch, admire. Gives new meaning to pride.

Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX!
From: GUEST,guest from Sanity
Date: 29 Jun 12 - 02:04 AM

Stereo politicians speaking out of both sides of their mouths
..and Romney, "The first thin i will do is I will repeal Obamacare...."...Blah blah blah.........

.........and GfS......

I told you the provisions were all screwed up!!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX!
From: kendall
Date: 29 Jun 12 - 06:35 AM

Universal health care is the only answer.
The cost? we would have to stop invading other countries that pose no threat to us, and borrowing billions to fund those invasions. You listening George?

Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX!
From: kendall
Date: 29 Jun 12 - 06:39 AM

The solution is simple. Doing it is next to impossible. Re elect NO ONE!

Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX!
From: Bobert
Date: 29 Jun 12 - 08:03 AM

"Stop invading other countries", Capt'n???

Horrors???

B;~)

Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX!
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 Jun 12 - 10:04 AM

kendall: "The solution is simple. Doing it is next to impossible. Re elect NO ONE!"

As I posted before, They should have a place on the ballot, as a Choice, we could check, "None of the above!"

Good post, kendall!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX!
From: bobad
Date: 29 Jun 12 - 10:10 AM

New York Times Op-Ed columnist Paul Krugman writes, "In short, unless you belong to that tiny class of wealthy Americans who are insulated and isolated from the realities of most people's lives, the winners from that Supreme Court decision are your friends, your relatives, the people you work with — and, very likely, you. For almost all of us stand to benefit from making America a kinder and more decent society."

Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX!
From: artbrooks
Date: 29 Jun 12 - 11:06 AM

That would be Nobel-laureate in Economics Paul Krugman, I think.

Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX!
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 29 Jun 12 - 11:11 AM

I started a thread on this yesterday before anybody else. It was called "Obamacare." It vanished after about fifteen minutes.

Joe, what gives? (Not that it matters at this point.)

Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX!
From: Bill D
Date: 29 Jun 12 - 11:52 AM

"Has anyone's health insurance gone down?"

We have saved a bundle because of the help on immunosuppressant drugs my wife needs. The 'donut hole' keeps shrinking.

Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX!
From: Greg F.
Date: 29 Jun 12 - 12:41 PM

Has anyone's health insurance gone down?

In a word: YES.

Lots of folks, and more to come.

Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX!
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 29 Jun 12 - 12:53 PM

Latest Tea Party spin: conservative Chief Justice Roberts (appointed by GWB) was "intimidated in his decision" by the liberal media.

Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX!
From: artbrooks
Date: 29 Jun 12 - 01:07 PM

Ya think Roberts reads the HuffPost or MSNBC.com? The rest of the "main-stream media" isn't exactly liberal, as the right defines the term.

BTW, my health insurance hasn't gone down, but that's because I'm covered by two federal government managed health care systems called Medicare and Tricare. My daughter is anxiously waiting for the establishment of insurance exchanges in Texas so that, as a self-employed person, she can get any insurance.

Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX!
From: Bobert
Date: 29 Jun 12 - 01:23 PM

First of all, there is no such thing as the liberal media, Lighter... I'm not sure if there has even been a liberal media but certainly not in the last 2 or 3 decades...

I do recall back in the 60's "documentaries" on all kinds of things which were not only interesting by informative... I guess that seeing as the media was spreading the truth that made it "liberal"... lol...

My own feeling on why Roberts did what he did comes down to three aspects:

1. After Bush v. Gore and Citizens United another decision against liberals (actually moderates) would be seen as the straw that broke the camels back...

2. Roberts promised the Senate that he was going to try to bring some fairness to the court and has not lived up to that which leads us to...

3. Roberts knows that historians will one day be writing about his legacy and he needed to move away from #1 and #2 to have much of one...

That's my take on it one day after the decision...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX!
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 29 Jun 12 - 01:54 PM

>>there is no such thing as the liberal media, Lighter... I'm not sure if there has even been a liberal media but certainly not in the last 2 or 3 decades.<<

Not so! There is "Democracy Now" and "the Pacifica radio network." They've been around for years. Never heard of them? Could that be because the big cable networks won't carry them and the government won't give them seed money and FCC support like they did "liberal" NPR? Nah....

Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX!
From: akenaton
Date: 29 Jun 12 - 02:02 PM

You dont think the ruling actually advances right wing ideology Bob?

Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX!
From: akenaton
Date: 29 Jun 12 - 02:04 PM

Its certainly the opposite of Socialism......sorry about the d/post

Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX!
From: GUEST,999
Date: 29 Jun 12 - 02:45 PM

I need glasses. I have been reading the thread title as

it's a TAXI

and for a few days now I've wondered what it meant. Another mystery bites the dust.

Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX!
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 29 Jun 12 - 03:06 PM

More liberal media

http://www.examiner.com/article/5-republican-facts-that-every-american-should-be-pissed-about