BS: Another Obama Whopper

Subject: BS: Another Obama Whopper
From: Sawzaw
Date: 09 Jul 12 - 11:51 PM

Obama's whopper about an Ohio River bridge
Washington Post:

"I sent them a jobs bill that would have put hundreds of thousands of construction workers back to work repairing our roads, our bridges, schools, transit systems, along with saving the jobs of cops and teachers and firefighters, creating a new tax cut for businesses. They said no. I went to the Speaker's hometown, stood under a bridge that was crumbling. Everybody acknowledges it needs to be rebuilt. Maybe he doesn't drive anymore. Maybe he doesn't notice how messed up it was. They still said no. There are bridges between Kentucky and Ohio where some of the key Republican leadership come from, where folks are having to do detours an extra hour, hour-and-a-half drive every day on their commute because these bridges don't work. They still said no."
--President Obama, remarks to the Building and Construction Trades Department conference, April 30, 2012

Back in September, when President Obama first unveiled his jobs bill, we gave him Three Pinocchios for remarks he made regarding the aging Brent Spence Bridge on the Ohio River. The bridge connects Kentucky and Ohio, the home states of House Speaker John A. Boehner (R-Ohio) and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), and it was irresistible symbolism for the White House.

The crumbling infrastructure of the nation's bridges is certainly an important issue, but symbolism can only go so far. The administration could never explain what, if anything, the jobs bill would do to improve the Brent Spence Bridge, especially since construction was not slated to start until 2015 — and Obama's jobs bill would spend most of its money in its first year.

Moreover, there is a long history of bipartisan support for this project, but Obama framed it as if the Republicans were blocking its reconstruction with their opposition to his legislation.

When we heard the president's words Monday, we feared he was slipping back into his old habits. Once again he framed it as GOP opposition to fixing the Brent Spence Bridge. But then he upped the ante by mentioning other bridges "between Kentucky and Ohio" that "don't work." So what's he talking about?

The Facts

An administration official said the president was referring to the Sherman Minton Bridge, which actually connects Indiana and Kentucky, near Louisville. Back in September, Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels (R) had to shut down the bridge because a 2 ½ inch crack had been discovered.

The bridge carries Interstate 64, so the bridge's closure forced drivers to make major changes in their driving routes. Shortly after the shutdown, a Transportation Department blog declared that this bridge was "another example of why this [the president's jobs bill] is so crucial."

But here's the rub: While Obama claimed "these bridges don't work," the Sherman Minton Bridge has already been repaired, ahead of schedule, and motorists are driving over it again.

It turned out that, rather than being an example of an aging bridge, the crack that had been discovered actually had been there ever since the bridge was constructed in 1962, because of the type of steel used at the time. Other repairs were ordered, and the bridge reopened nearly three months ago — without needing any of Obama's jobs-bill funds.

Another nearby bridge, the Kennedy Bridge, will soon undergo redecking, but officials said the work will not lead to a shutdown. Again, the work is being done without Obama's jobs-bill money.

"The President was making a point about the need to rebuild our infrastructure and the job creation opportunities that come with that, and was pointing to Ohio River area projects to illustrate the point that these kinds of projects are right in the Congressional Republican leadership's backyards," the administration official said.

As we said before, we understand the need for symbolism. But that does not give a president license to stretch the facts [tell lies].

Calling out the Republicans at the Brent Spence bridge was bad enough, given the bipartisan support for its reconstruction. But pointing to the Sherman Minton Bridge, which already has been repaired without funding from the president's jobs bill, is ridiculous.

Perhaps the president was using outdated talking points, but that's little excuse.

Subject: RE: BS: Another Obama Whopper
From: michaelr
Date: 10 Jul 12 - 12:02 AM

As whoppers go, that one is puny. Make mine a double, with cheese!

Subject: RE: BS: Another Obama Whopper
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 10 Jul 12 - 12:08 AM

Not even a Whopper Jr.

Maybe a Krystal.

Subject: RE: BS: Another Obama Whopper
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 10 Jul 12 - 12:45 AM

Sorearse STILL doesn't understand the difference between a political posture and a lie. Hardly surprising though.

Subject: RE: BS: Another Obama Whopper
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 10 Jul 12 - 12:49 AM

IMHO This Pinnicchio guy really doesn't have a solid idea what a lie is.

Subject: RE: BS: Another Obama Whopper
From: akenaton
Date: 10 Jul 12 - 02:58 AM

A lie in political terms, is something said by the opposing party.

Any bullshit promulgated by ones own side, is of course, political posturing.....semples!!

Subject: RE: BS: Another Obama Whopper
From: GUEST,999
Date: 10 Jul 12 - 01:15 PM

I guess Americans and Canadians define whopper differently.

I did not have sex with that woman is an obfuscation.
I'm from the government and I'm here to help you: that's a whopper.

Subject: RE: BS: Another Obama Whopper
From: MarkS
Date: 10 Jul 12 - 01:41 PM

Come on folks, can we give it a rest at least till after the
conventions?

Subject: RE: BS: Another Obama Whopper
From: Don Firth
Date: 10 Jul 12 - 02:10 PM

Another Sawzaw Whopper.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Another Obama Whopper
From: catspaw49
Date: 10 Jul 12 - 02:30 PM

Sawzaw has no whopper.....Everything he has is very tiny......brain, dick, balls................oh wait, I forgot......HUGE asshole!!!!


Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Another Obama Whopper
From: Amos
Date: 10 Jul 12 - 03:00 PM

Slamming someone who seriously wants to overhaul our infrastructure is about as rational as taking methamphetamine to solve your hangover.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Another Obama Whopper
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Jul 12 - 05:10 PM

Can't top what Spawz and Amos have said...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Another Obama Whopper
From: artbrooks
Date: 10 Jul 12 - 08:37 PM

Political campaigning is all about obfuscation without revelation...and a Whopper is an over-priced and over-caloried hambugger.

Subject: RE: BS: Another Obama Whopper
From: Sawzaw
Date: 11 Jul 12 - 09:51 AM

Bobert: "What you get from me is gleaned strictly from the Washington Post, The New York Times and the TV news"

I wonder why Bobert would use such a faulty source?

Subject: RE: BS: Another Obama Whopper
From: John P
Date: 11 Jul 12 - 10:24 AM

Bobert: "What you get from me is gleaned strictly from the Washington Post, The New York Times and the TV news"

I wonder why Bobert would use such a faulty source?

This sums up Sawzaw quite nicely -- mainstream news being seen as faulty. The advantage of mainstream news is that the mainstream news sources all agree about what actually happened in any given circumstance. They may not agree about what it means or about how to present the facts, but they all have the same basic facts. This is due to the fact that they actually check their facts and try hard to only publish things they can prove. The farther to the left or right you go with your news sources, the less general agreement there is. The only way we can agree about the details of a topic for discussion is to use the same set of facts. The only place to get facts that we can all agree on is by looking at multiple sources and seeing where they are in agreement.

Just out of curiosity, Sawzaw, what do you consider non-faulty news sources? Why do you think so? Why do you think all the major daily newspapers are lying? What evidence of that do you have? Why should anyone pay any attention to anything you say, since you seem proud of dismissing the only sources of news that agree with each other?

Subject: RE: BS: Another Obama Whopper
From: Sawzaw
Date: 11 Jul 12 - 11:02 AM

So you are saying the Wapo is not a faulty news source?

I stand corrected. The Wapo is not a faulty news source.

The whopper story is correct.

Subject: RE: BS: Another Obama Whopper
From: Bill D
Date: 11 Jul 12 - 11:22 AM

To return to the opening post about the jobs bill...

He's trying...but...

Subject: RE: BS: Another Obama Whopper
From: Sawzaw
Date: 11 Jul 12 - 11:29 AM

Should we ad cartoons to the list of non faulty news sources?

I was nice to Spaw and tried to be helpful but.....

Subject: RE: BS: Another Obama Whopper
From: Bill D
Date: 11 Jul 12 - 11:36 AM

Cartoons can often condense the essence of a situation......

You can have an opinion about their basic accuracy, but...........

That one hits real close. The Republicans are criticizing absolutely everything Obama does or says........... and IF they win, they'll eventually end up doing something similar to what he proposed, and try to take credit for it.

Subject: RE: BS: Another Obama Whopper
From: Greg F.
Date: 11 Jul 12 - 12:23 PM

IF they win, they'll eventually end up doing something similar to what he proposed, and try to take credit for it.

What's more they'll SUCCEED in taking the credit with a large segment the idiot U.S. electorate

Subject: RE: BS: Another Obama Whopper
From: Bill D
Date: 11 Jul 12 - 04:58 PM

"...the idiot U.S. electorate"

So *grin*... the current attempt by the Republicans to return to poll taxes and voter suppression in order to limit voting to the ummmm... *intelligent* (that is, conservatives) is a good idea?

Who me?.. cynical? naawwwww...

Subject: RE: BS: Another Obama Whopper
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 11 Jul 12 - 06:58 PM

""The Republicans are criticizing absolutely everything Obama does or says........... and IF they win,""

The most succinctly accurate assessment of Sorearse's political orientation yet posted here.

You've described exactly what he does in every single political thread.

The original one trick pony!

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Another Obama Whopper
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 11 Jul 12 - 07:15 PM

Greg F: "What's more they'll SUCCEED in taking the credit with a large segment the idiot U.S. electorate"

Idiot electorate????...You voted, I take it?

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Another Obama Whopper
From: Bill D
Date: 11 Jul 12 - 07:56 PM

I assume Greg votes.... myself, I have voted in all elections since 1960. Why I even have ID! Though my state hasn't required it yet.

Subject: RE: BS: Another Obama Whopper
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 11 Jul 12 - 08:05 PM

Well, good!....Do you think you are one of the 'idiot electorate??...or is Greg speaking from personal experience, in your estimation?

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Another Obama Whopper
From: Bill D
Date: 11 Jul 12 - 08:33 PM

Idiot electorate? Me? naawwwww... if anything, I know so much it gets confusing! Ever have that problem? No...I suppose not. You seldom get confused.. ;>)

Greg? He just sounds like the voting type....

Subject: RE: BS: Another Obama Whopper
From: Sawzaw
Date: 11 Jul 12 - 09:16 PM

The Democrats are criticizing absolutely everything Romney does or says........... and IF they win.

Subject: RE: BS: Another Obama Whopper
From: Bobert
Date: 11 Jul 12 - 09:36 PM

I'm with you, Bill... Too informed is a sea of morons, misfits, wackos and people too filled with hate to have a rational discussion with...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Another Obama Whopper
From: Bill D
Date: 12 Jul 12 - 11:28 AM

Most of the media and many Republicans are criticizing everything Romney does....and it seems that **Romney** is not happy with anything he says, because he says something different before long.

See.... the problem is twofold - one can either debate the specific details (if any details can be found) of some current position, or focus on his pattern of changing his positions as the wind blows. Makes it easy to criticize when he has no real position except 'wanting desperately to BE president'.

Subject: RE: BS: Another Obama Whopper
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 12 Jul 12 - 12:25 PM

Not everything he says and does.

Just the bit about knowing how to create jobs when his resume doesn't support that.

And the fact that he keeps contradicting himself, which doesn't do much for his credibility.

The religious fundies were criticizing his faith. The comedians are laughing at his lifestyle. You gotta admit that for a man claiming to be in touch with regular people some of his animal escapades are sad and amusing.

The sensational corporate media is pointing out some odd behaviors from his past, like the bullying and impersonating an officer.

But the Democrats are mostly sticking to the lying and flipflopping.

Subject: RE: BS: Another Obama Whopper
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 12 Jul 12 - 12:27 PM

It sounds like he's not as much as a pathological liar as Obama..who just lies without conscience, or thinking the truth is going to be revealed, sooner or later.
I don't trust either of them, for just that!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Another Obama Whopper
From: Bill D
Date: 12 Jul 12 - 02:04 PM

!Nonsense! That's a generalized **slogan** such as the Republicans use. If you accuse Obama of something as serious as "lieing without conscience" you need to back it up.

Pundits do this almost everyday about Romney...the only issue is whether he lies to himself until he believes it, or KNOWS he is making false statements.

(and don't give me crap where you take a different opinion about some situation and then define YOUR version as 'truth' and Obama's as a lie.)

All politicians like to 'spin' the story and talk about their favorite issues in the most favorable way.... but just throwing 'lie' mud until some of it is accepted by anyone who starts off not liking Obama is a cheap way to go!

Subject: RE: BS: Another Obama Whopper
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 Jul 12 - 02:56 PM

The TeaPublicans don't need to back ANYTHING up. They ain't got to show you no steenking FACTS!

Romney is a jackass, but he's not an idiot. He knows he's lying out of both sides of his mouth at once. He just doesn't care, & holds the electorate in contempt.

Which contempt is entirely appropriate for those who believe his bullshit.

Subject: RE: BS: Another Obama Whopper
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Jul 12 - 05:35 PM

If Mudcat ever starts requiring that citations to unimpeachable sources be provided to support facts in these political discussions, these threads will dry up in a hurry. Faster on the GOP side, in my opinion, but definitely slow the whole dog and pony show to a trickle.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Another Obama Whopper
From: Sawzaw
Date: 13 Jul 12 - 12:46 AM

"If you like your plan you can keep your Plan."

"If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor."

"I'll cut the deficit by half my first term"

"As President, I will close Guantanamo"

"If you make less than a quarter of a million dollars a year, you will not see a single dime of your taxes go up."

"If you make $200,000 a year or less, your taxes will go down."

Subject: RE: BS: Another Obama Whopper
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Jul 12 - 03:26 AM

...and that's only for starters!!!!

1. No lobbyists in Cabinet.

2. Transparency..(do you want the video of all the 'transparency'
   was referring to?)

3. This is not a 'tax', WHILE the bill included the addition of 16,000
   NEW IRS agents to deal with it!!!

4. "I did not have sex with that woman"..oh, wait a minute..that was
   that other sack of shit!

5. Pull the troops out of the mid-east...and sends more, and starts
   more wars.

6. Blames everything on Bush, but doesn't repeal the 'Patriot Act'
   which, in reality Biden was a co-author, in the mid 90's BEFORE
   911!!!....(a little deceptive slight of hand, wouldn't you say?)

7. Oh, and the usual, "Cut the deficit, raise employment, and cut
   taxes.."..blah blah blah....It's a 'lie' when Romney spouts that
   crap, but when Obama was bullshitting you, it just tasted good!

8. And as a side note, the name 'Democrat' usually denotes SOMETHING
   that has to do with 'Democracy, doesn't it?? ...why did Obama offer
   'waivers' to bribe the Democrat Congressmen to vote for his ACA??..
   ...and now that it is being voted for repealing it, and 60% of
   Americans are opposed to it, Harry 'The Rodent Mobster' Reid won't
   even let the 'Democratic(?)' Senate vote on it???...and Obama
   would veto it....and it would have appeared on his desk, after due
   process of Democracy, and Democratic law??????..I guess he knows
   what's better for all the individuals in this country than the
   electorate!....and you fear Romney???????????? Comprende hypocrite?

And what's worse.....THERE'S MORE!!!!!!!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Another Obama Whopper
From: Stringsinger
Date: 13 Jul 12 - 03:33 PM

Speaking of whoppers, a bigger one is Romney leaving Bain Capital when he said he did.
At least Obama thought of doing this whereas not one Republican would give a damn.

Subject: RE: BS: Another Obama Whopper
From: Bobert
Date: 13 Jul 12 - 05:28 PM

The Obama Hate Brigade is alive and well and living here in Mudville...

BTW, Strings... Word on the street is that Romney may end up being indicted??? What do you think??? Boy, wouldn't that be something??? Having to take time off from the campaign to appear in court???

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Another Obama Whopper
From: Greg F.
Date: 13 Jul 12 - 05:41 PM

Being indicted is a Republican Badge Of Honor - ask Dick Nixon.

Only thing better in their book is being actually convicted.

Subject: RE: BS: Another Obama Whopper
From: Sawzaw
Date: 13 Jul 12 - 09:21 PM

Obama's Sounding Board:

"Take that baby, him or her, away, from the African mother, away from the African community, away from the African experience… and put them Africans over at the breasts of Yale, Harvard, University of Chicago… UCLA or UC-Berkeley," Wright preached. "Turn them into biscuits. Let them get that alien DNA all up inside their brain and they will turn on their own people in defense of the ones who are keeping their own people under oppression. Sheep dogs. There's white racist DNA running through the synapses of his or her brain tissue. They will kill their own kind; defend the enemies of their kind or anyone who is perceived to be the enemy of the milky white way of life."

Obama's a biscuit?

Subject: RE: BS: Another Obama Whopper
From: GUEST,999
Date: 13 Jul 12 - 09:26 PM

Jeremiah White said that. Not Barack Obama. I fail to see what point you are pushing here, Saws.

Subject: RE: BS: Another Obama Whopper
From: GUEST,999
Date: 13 Jul 12 - 09:26 PM

What a difference an R makes.

Subject: RE: BS: Another Obama Whopper
From: Bobert
Date: 13 Jul 12 - 09:33 PM

Yup, brucie...

Saws, GfinS and the other righties here are quick on the guilt by association but here Romney is trying to distance himself from Bane and they are bailing water for him...

Call it both ways...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Another Obama Whopper
From: Sawzaw
Date: 13 Jul 12 - 09:53 PM

"When I'm president, I will go line by line to make sure that we are not spending money unwisely."

Yep, $3.5 Mil for a turtle tunnel is wise spending.

Meanwhile that single $9 per hour mom gets the shaft.

Subject: RE: BS: Another Obama Whopper
From: kendall
Date: 14 Jul 12 - 10:27 AM

Anecdotal evidence is not worth a cane hole in a cow flap.

The difference between Russian propaganda and our propaganda? We believe ours! Same with the two political parties. We get to choose which gang of thieving liars will do the least damage.

Subject: RE: BS: Another Obama Whopper
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 14 Jul 12 - 09:36 PM

Boobert: "Saws, GfinS and the other righties here are quick ....(blah blah blah)

Boob, I'm not a right winger..and I do not support Romney..or Obama.
Besides, Both of them have been criticized for being too far right!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Another Obama Whopper
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 15 Jul 12 - 12:36 AM

.....and I'm neither 'right' or 'left'. I'm only interested in finding out the truth..not bending it, to suit a choice of candidates or political policies...and as we've found out, the truth makes a LOT of people up tight!..but who cares, like a meteor, they burn out!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Another Obama Whopper
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 15 Jul 12 - 02:14 AM

Yeah yeah Donna Keyhote eh? tilting at solar powered windmills searching in vain for President Hillary.

Subject: RE: BS: Another Obama Whopper
From: akenaton
Date: 15 Jul 12 - 01:40 PM

Bill D....."That one hits real close. The Republicans are criticizing absolutely everything Obama does or says........... and IF they win, they'll eventually end up doing something similar to what he proposed, and try to take credit for it."

Isnt that what Little Hawk and others have been saying for long and weary??
Yet most here continue with partisan politics.
Unite against the system.

Subject: RE: BS: Another Obama Whopper
From: Don Firth
Date: 15 Jul 12 - 03:28 PM

That's very glib, Ake. But neither you nor Little Hawk have anything to say about how Americans should go about that.

Blood running in the streets?

Easy to sit back and kibbitz. Anybody can do it.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Another Obama Whopper
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 15 Jul 12 - 06:19 PM

Monday morning quarterbacks with nothing to lose Don.

If it comes down the way they predict, they'll take the credit. If not they'll find somebody else to blame for spoiling their aim.

Meanwhile they'll have no idea about what should be done, because they're too busy slagging off everybody who does.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Another Obama Whopper
From: GUEST,999
Date: 15 Jul 12 - 06:53 PM

What has to be done is fairly simple.

1) Don't vote.

2) Don't respond to questions like "Why didn't you vote?"

Face facts: with all the smoke and mirrors in federal politics today--starting with the one about how you have a choice--don't bother choosing. Let 'whoever' decide. When your system of government collapses as it is doing now, (that's the system that offers you a choice between two doors), pick door number three. Hey, one of the chosen parties will inherit the throne and a requirement of democracy will have been satisfied.

Face facts: maybe when 50,000,000 people choose not to vote, some bright light will go 'ding' and wake up to the fact that they are leaders with no followers. All they will have to do then is dictate--but then they do that from day one of their election as it is.