BS: Loyal to who ?

Subject: RE: BS: Loyal to who ?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Sep 12 - 04:14 AM

Is it so one sided?
Did the band really sing as well as play?
Was it not a Republican march that triggered the riot?

Subject: RE: BS: Loyal to who ?
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 06 Sep 12 - 04:17 AM

Rednecks in the southern states. You are a bigot.

Narrow minded selfish people are everywhere.Everywhere.
And calling people rednecks is no different than calling negros n¡gg3rs.
(:-( D)=

Subject: RE: BS: Loyal to who ?
From: Dead Horse
Date: 06 Sep 12 - 04:30 AM

The trouble is that they are EXTREMELY loyal.
I served in Ulster in 1972 and would not trust an Orangeman as far as I could throw him, but when that same Orangeman was in UDR uniform I would (and often did) trust him with my life.
Several hundred years of mutual mistrust and hatred between the catholic & protestant communities is not going to disappear overnight, and as long as folks like leeneia keep stirring things up it will last a lot longer.

Subject: RE: BS: Loyal to who ?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 06 Sep 12 - 04:33 AM

Loyal to whom!

Subject: RE: BS: Loyal to who ?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Sep 12 - 04:37 AM

I do not support violence Leenia, and accept that it was Loyalist violence following a Republican march.
It is usually the other way round of course.
Your link makes no mention of singing, the band only played.

Subject: RE: BS: Loyal to who ?
From: Kenny B (inactive)
Date: 06 Sep 12 - 04:42 AM

aha a fellow member of the RoP

Subject: RE: BS: Loyal to who ?
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 06 Sep 12 - 04:43 AM

The Protestants should be expelled from Ireland. And Ireland should gain independance from England. Scotland, Canada, New Zealand and Australia. And every other country the British have a stranglehold on.
(:-( D)=

Subject: RE: BS: Loyal to who ?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Sep 12 - 04:49 AM

Some reporting more balanced than Socialist Unity.

Irish Times
It was estimated that as many 350 rioters took part in the rioting which broke out following a republican march.

The Guardian
The violence at the weekend followed a parade by a republican flute band passing by nearby Clifton Street Orange Hall.

Reuters
Seven police officers were hurt in the same area of North Belfast in late August when a Protestant band marched past a Catholic church playing music in defiance of a ban from the parades commission, which regulates marches in the province.

Irish Independent
It came after 47 PSNI officers were injured on Sunday night during riots linked to a republican parade nearby and a loyalist protest.

Stormont leaders have pledged to help tackle the parade tension that surfaced after restrictions were placed on loyalist marchers who had played offensive tunes outside a Catholic church near the scene of the riots.

Guardian
. The first minister said he was impressed that Catholic residents in the Carrick Hill area of the city had not demanded that Orange Order and other loyalist parades be re-routed away from St Patrick's chapel.

The Catholic church in Belfast's Donegall Street was turned into a contentious parade route in July when loyalist bandsmen were captured playing a sectarian song outside its doors.

Subject: RE: BS: Loyal to who ?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Sep 12 - 04:53 AM

BBC
On Sunday night, 47 police officers were injured during disturbances in the same area, following a republican parade. Police said up to 350 loyalists were involved in rioting.

It has been claimed the loyalists were angry that the republican parade had no restrictions placed on it by the Parades Commission, which makes determinations on contentious marches in Northern Ireland.

Subject: RE: BS: Loyal to who ?
From: banjoman
Date: 06 Sep 12 - 07:09 AM

I have watched the news on TV and what seems to me to be being missed is that a majority of those taking part in hurling stones etc at the police are youngsters. Are they just continuing the hatred and mistrust of hundreds of years and if so where are they learning it from.

Subject: RE: BS: Loyal to who ?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 06 Sep 12 - 11:48 AM

It's handed down in families, a bit like folk music.

Subject: RE: BS: Loyal to who ?
From: Jim McLean
Date: 06 Sep 12 - 02:40 PM

With all the union flags, I thought Team GB had crossed the water.

Subject: RE: BS: Loyal to who ?
From: ChanteyLass
Date: 06 Sep 12 - 10:45 PM

Just when I thought it was safe (and had saved enough money) to go to Belfast . . . . I hope all of this settles down before I get there in a few weeks.

Subject: RE: BS: Loyal to who ?
From: michaelr
Date: 06 Sep 12 - 11:31 PM

Parades have always turned me off, even on Veterans' Day here in the US. There are better ways to celebrate one's (identity? patriotism? religious affiliation? war dead? what, exactly?) than to march around making a lot of noise and annoying the people who live on the route.

The sensible thing is, obviously, to stop marching.

Subject: RE: BS: Loyal to who ?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 Sep 12 - 02:52 AM

It is an important part of the culture.
There are "well over 620" flute bands in NI, with about 29000 members.

Subject: RE: BS: Loyal to who ?
From: GUEST,Chris B (Born Again Scouser)
Date: 07 Sep 12 - 04:51 AM

'Such sectarian behaviour would not be tolerated in any other part of the United Kingdom'.

I wish I could agree. However, we have both Republican and Loyalist flute bands in Liverpool. Mostly there's not much trouble - usually because the numbers are so small. There's been something of a running feud, however, this year between Republicans and the English Defence League in Liverpool surrounding parades organised by the James Larkin Society. There are links on Youtube if you want to look for them.

My in-laws live in Lancashire and some years ago I was working in Southport. My in-laws wanted to meet my wife, my daughter and I in Southport on my mother-in-law's birthday - which happens to be the 12th of July. Needless to say, the wife's mother got something of a shock.

What was very striking for my wife and child, who got the train out to Southport to meet us, was the behaviour of the people travelling up for the parades - middle-aged women pissed out of their minds at 11am, swearing at their kids and then belting them and then talking about defending their 'culture'. Later that day they had to stop trains on the line back to Liverpool on account of the same people throwing up in the carriages.

What worries me is that there is a generation of young people growing up on both sides who have no memories of their own of how bad things were in the 70s and 80s and who are being groomed by their parents to be the next generation of bigots.

And it's not all on one side but it seems to me that 'Loyalists' have done pretty well out of the Good Friday Agreement - most Republicans have essentially accepted partition for the time being at least and even many Catholics in the North aren't in any hurry to join a failed state that has surrendered what little 'independence' it has.

Subject: RE: BS: Loyal to who ?
From: Dead Horse
Date: 07 Sep 12 - 04:52 AM

It is that 'culture' that helps spread the message of hate and intollerance among the younger generation and so defeats the peace process.

Subject: RE: BS: Loyal to who ?
From: stallion
Date: 07 Sep 12 - 05:11 AM

yes like folk music , hatred is passed through the generations. At a family wedding a few years ago, in Kinsale, a few of the relatives from Kerry were playing traditional music at the reception it was brilliant, one of the guests, a woman of similar age to myself (then Late fifty's) approached me with caution and trepidation and said she was from Galway and been brought up to hate the English but said " I think you are quite a nice person" later she confided that I was the first english person she had dared to speak to. That is what has to change, the indoctrination and brainwashing.

Subject: RE: BS: Loyal to who ?
From: gnu
Date: 07 Sep 12 - 11:09 PM

stallion... thanks for sharing that. It says a lot. (Yeah, I know that's kinda lame but it's true).