BS: Justin Bieber is Canadian.

Subject: RE: BS: Justin Bieber is Canadian.
From: Charmion
Date: 29 Nov 12 - 07:48 PM

Hawk, Ottawa's diversity has almost nothing to do with diplomats. This town has three, count 'em, three universities and a very large community college -- much more important for attracting a multinational population. The federal government's hiring practices tend to favour certain minorities, also, although Public Service workplace culture still has -- as they say -- a ways to go.

Most important of all, Ottawa is largely recession-proof, so there are lots of jobs in the service sector, especially retail. Go to any department store around here, and you will find that the majority of sales staff on the floor are new Canadians or first-generation Canucks. Lots and lots of young women in hijabs work at Wal-Mart and Loblaws.

Subject: RE: BS: Justin Bieber is Canadian.
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 Nov 12 - 06:00 PM

Henry Krinkle: "I think I would get tired of being cold. And wet."

Well, so much for the sex change operation....

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Justin Bieber is Canadian.
From: gnu
Date: 29 Nov 12 - 04:58 PM

Odd that people who don't know shit about about Canada or The Big Smoke or OOH LA LA! or The Maritimes or The Granite Planet can make definitive statements about them... about their peoples... about their music... about their culture.

I've been to most (never west of Ontario but ALWAYS wanted to visit) and all I can say is, people are people, no matter where you go.

"Canada has remained mostly English, French and Aboriginal." I don't need to travel anymore to know that is shite. I can watch it in my living room. We now have TV here!

Subject: RE: BS: Justin Bieber is Canadian.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Nov 12 - 04:46 PM

Ottawa is a pretty neat town. It's a lot smaller than Toronto, and it has the French-English thing going as well as the multinational thing that results from all the diplomatic connections to the federal government. Lots of great restaurants and interesting sights to see in Ottawa.

Subject: RE: BS: Justin Bieber is Canadian.
From: Charmion
Date: 29 Nov 12 - 04:30 PM

I like Lower Town in Ottawa just the way it is: about as ethnically mixed up as you can get in a neighbourhood 10 blocks square. We have Orthodox Jews strolling to shul through a housing development full of Somali families, and it doesn't get much more diverse than that.

But Hawk is right about traffic: it's nuts, especially since City Council is trying to do something about our century-old sewer system. Bus transit just doesn't fit into a major construction site on an arterial road.

Subject: RE: BS: Justin Bieber is Canadian.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Nov 12 - 01:03 PM

Toronto's a huge place now, the traffic is terrible, the city streets are full of trash and graffiti, and there are homeless and panhandlers all over the place downtown. What a sad deterioration in what was once a clean and beautiful city!

I used to love it back in the 60s and early 70s. I go there now only when I have no choice about the matter, and I get back out as soon as possible.

Subject: RE: BS: Justin Bieber is Canadian.
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 29 Nov 12 - 12:57 PM

One day I may visit. I drove through Toronto. Big place.
If I was younger I'd think about emigrating for a while.
=(:-( ))

Subject: RE: BS: Justin Bieber is Canadian.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Nov 12 - 12:48 PM

The major centres such as Toronto, Montreal, and Vancouver are like international melting pots now, and you can find every kind of ethnic influence in their music. That has had a big effect on the whole country through the mass media.

Toronto used to be a "white English culture" city, but not any more. When I was a kid, Toronto seemed like a bastion of English and Scottish culture with a good deal of Irish influence there as well. There were plenty of other ethnic neighborhoods downtown, of course...the Portuguese, the Chinese, the Italians, the Greeks, etc...but the city overall seemed like an Anglo-Saxon society. It's not at all like that now. As a matter of fact, I think caucasians are now outnumbered by other races in the city of Toronto. There's been a diaspora of middle class whites out of Toronto to the smaller outlying cities and country towns to the north, the east and the west of Toronto. This has caused cities like Barrie, Newmarket, and Orillia to grow very rapidly in the past few decades, and in those cities you find the predominantly white-English culture that you used to find in Toronto when I was a child.

Now, as Ed says, the East Coast culture hasn't changed all that much, aside from the collapse of the Fishery.

I agree, Henry, that the multi-ethnic contributions add a lot to the vitality of music. On the other hand, it's kind of neat when you have a long established musical culture with its own set of traditions such as the maritime music of the East Coast in Canada and Maine. Either situation can produce some excellent music.

Subject: RE: BS: Justin Bieber is Canadian.
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 29 Nov 12 - 12:30 PM

I've been to Montreal.
Another big city.
Ethnicity has an effect on music. It pollutes and cross pollinates. Hybridizes.
=(:-( ))

Subject: RE: BS: Justin Bieber is Canadian.
From: Ed T
Date: 29 Nov 12 - 12:28 PM

"I think I would get tired of being cold. And wet."

It whets your artistic skills.

Subject: RE: BS: Justin Bieber is Canadian.
From: GUEST,999
Date: 29 Nov 12 - 12:21 PM

"Canada has remained mostly English, French and Aboriginal."

You are going from strength to strength. The Montreal metropolitan area has a population of close to 3.8 million people from damned near every country in the world. Took me a moment to recall that Oscar Peterson was Black or that Edith Butler is Acadian. We tend to ignore colour or race especially when it comes to music or the arts. Your ethnicity means little. It's yer chops that count.

Subject: RE: BS: Justin Bieber is Canadian.
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 29 Nov 12 - 12:15 PM

I think I would get tired of being cold. And wet.
=(:-( o)

Subject: RE: BS: Justin Bieber is Canadian.
From: Ed T
Date: 29 Nov 12 - 12:12 PM

""I remember the Canada of my youth. Boy, how I loved it! It's changed radically since then, seems at times to have lost its sense of identity with the huge influx of immigrants from all over the world coming in""

That is true for aome areas of Canada, and not so true for others. The Maritimes and Newfoundland has not really changed that much and immigration has not had that much of an impact-yet, that is.

Subject: RE: BS: Justin Bieber is Canadian.
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 29 Nov 12 - 12:09 PM

If you got any mojo up there, you got it second hand from us.
Like the whole British Blues thing. What do Brits know about the blues? It's silly.
=(:-( ))

Subject: RE: BS: Justin Bieber is Canadian.
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 29 Nov 12 - 12:04 PM

But it's true. We've got everything mixed into the pot here. African,Latin,Celtic, Scotch Irish,Asian, you name it. Canada has remained mostly English, French and Aboriginal.
=(:-( ))

Subject: RE: BS: Justin Bieber is Canadian.
From: meself
Date: 29 Nov 12 - 12:01 PM

That's more like it!

Subject: RE: BS: Justin Bieber is Canadian.
From: GUEST,999
Date: 29 Nov 12 - 11:55 AM

"Your music hasn't been sullied by so many ethnic impurities."

What horseshit!

Subject: RE: BS: Justin Bieber is Canadian.
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 29 Nov 12 - 11:50 AM

Well it's true. You folks give it a Pat Boone kind of treatment and make it palatable for mass consumption by the middle class. The Real Music scares people too much.
=(:-( ))

Subject: RE: BS: Justin Bieber is Canadian.
From: meself
Date: 29 Nov 12 - 11:42 AM

"Canada is a whiter country than Amerika. Your music hasn't been sullied by so many ethnic impurities. So Canadian music appeals to white people more than our own bastardized musics."

Isn't Mudcat wonderful? A person can make such statements and seemingly retain the unqualified respect of other members!

Subject: RE: BS: Justin Bieber is Canadian.
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 29 Nov 12 - 11:42 AM

And the Can Con laws Hawk. Don't forget the Can Con laws.

Subject: RE: BS: Justin Bieber is Canadian.
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 29 Nov 12 - 11:23 AM

I liked what I saw. And I only
saw a tiny bit.
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Subject: RE: BS: Justin Bieber is Canadian.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Nov 12 - 11:07 AM

Canada is a wonderful country, Henry. The only thing I don't like about it is...it's a bit too far north...too long a winter. We've always had more than our fair share of great musicians here, and I expect that will continue. There's something about the vastness of this land and the relatively small population in a huge expanse of land that brings out the poet in people, I think. So many of our finest musicians have come from the small towns and rural areas, but they all end up going to the big city in order to have a successful career.

I remember the Canada of my youth. Boy, how I loved it! It's changed radically since then, seems at times to have lost its sense of identity with the huge influx of immigrants from all over the world coming in, but all in all, it's still a great place.

Subject: RE: BS: Justin Bieber is Canadian.
From: Ed T
Date: 29 Nov 12 - 08:06 AM

Influencial Prince Edward Island singer/songwriter Gene MacLellan (RIP)- who penned many of Anne Murray's songs sumed it up in this song:


Gene MacLellan


Gene MacLellan

Gene is a good look-up on youtube, if you like this kind of folksy music.

Subject: RE: BS: Justin Bieber is Canadian.
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 29 Nov 12 - 07:58 AM

I'd like to travel around there. I've been there once.
=(:-( ))

Subject: RE: BS: Justin Bieber is Canadian.
From: Ed T
Date: 29 Nov 12 - 07:48 AM

I do not believe the carpenters were Canadian.

What I find interesting is the music hotspots in Canada, (especially in Cape breton and Newfoundland, (that have Celtic-Irish traditional music roots).

What I also find encouraging is the broad influence that a few people have had on music - such as some of the names I brought up (Hawkins, Foster, Lanois).

Subject: RE: BS: Justin Bieber is Canadian.
From: Ed T
Date: 29 Nov 12 - 07:41 AM

There are music differences based on countries or origin, stimulated by differences in cultural and social make-up. But, I suspect most folk see music and musicians as being international in nature, with all contributing to its richness. Those boundries are getting less and less complex (I suspect there is a mix of benefits and losses from that). Big music, that once was the only player in town before the internet and new technology, is complex - even for the seasoned artist.

Subject: RE: BS: Justin Bieber is Canadian.
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 29 Nov 12 - 07:30 AM

Canada is a whiter country than Amerika. Your music hasn't been sullied by so many ethnic impurities. So Canadian music appeals to white people more than our own bastardized musics.
Or that's my perception.
Were The Carpenters Canadian?
If they weren't, they should have been.
=(:-( ))

Subject: RE: BS: Justin Bieber is Canadian.
From: Ed T
Date: 29 Nov 12 - 07:26 AM

I know that Henry, I'm just carrying on :)

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Subject: RE: BS: Justin Bieber is Canadian.
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 29 Nov 12 - 07:09 AM

I'm only kidding. Canadians make as good a music as anyone else.
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Subject: RE: BS: Justin Bieber is Canadian.
From: Ed T
Date: 29 Nov 12 - 07:04 AM

Why so "grumple", this morning Henry.

There is easy-accessible music for everyone's taste. Some like gravely-harsh whisky, while others prefer the smooth and glitsy-complex kind. Many like it all.

Subject: RE: BS: Justin Bieber is Canadian.
From: Ed T
Date: 29 Nov 12 - 06:56 AM

Nova Scotian Hank Snow has "been everywhere man". He gave "Elvis" hisa start by having him as his opening act on the Grand Ole Opry.

Subject: RE: BS: Justin Bieber is Canadian.
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 29 Nov 12 - 06:53 AM

And now I know one person who's responsible for so much bad, overproduced music.
And it figures a Canadian is guilty.
=(:-( ))

Subject: RE: BS: Justin Bieber is Canadian.
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 29 Nov 12 - 06:28 AM

Hank Snow. Now he was a real stampeder.
=(:-( ))

Subject: RE: BS: Justin Bieber is Canadian.
From: Ed T
Date: 29 Nov 12 - 06:23 AM

Rockabilly Ronniw Hawkins, who became a Canadian in 1964, was "the mam' who brought drummer Levon to Canada with his band the Hawkes, which later "morphed" into the Band. This paved the road for the likes of Canadian "blue-eyed soul" singer Burton Cummings. Few bands could hold their own with the Beatles, in their peak, like "the Guess Who" did.


Ronnie and Levon

Ronnie and Levon




True, HK, Canadians are not significant in the roots of black-gospel soul music. But, lets not forget the influence of producer, composer, singer, songwriter, and arranger David Foster, on some of the most successful musical artists in the world, including Bryan Adams, Christina Aguilera, Air Supply, All-4-One, Andrea Bocelli, Boz Scaggs, Toni Braxton, Michael Bublé, Mariah Carey, Charice, Cher, Chicago, Destiny's Child, Neil Diamond, Céline Dion, Earth Wind and Fire, Gloria Estefan, Jackie Evancho, Josh Groban, Whitney Houston, Janet Jackson, Michael Jackson, Chaka Khan, Beyoncé Knowles, Kenny Loggins, Madonna, Nsync, Prince,Kenny Rogers, Seal, Barbra Streisand, Donna Summer, Tamia, The Tubes and Shania Twain.

Subject: RE: BS: Justin Bieber is Canadian.
From: Charmion
Date: 29 Nov 12 - 06:05 AM

We have our own kind of cool, Mr Krinkle -- more blues than soul.

Subject: RE: BS: Justin Bieber is Canadian.
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 29 Nov 12 - 12:48 AM

Other than The Band,have any Canadians ever had any real soul? And they had to borrow it from Levon.
Kind of a whitebread, Anne Murray kind of a place.
Do Canadians hambone?
=(:-( D)

Subject: RE: BS: Justin Bieber is Canadian.
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 29 Nov 12 - 12:20 AM

Alanis definitely did a good job in that role in that movie.

The way Kevin Smith sees, God, she was damned near perfect.

If he makes a sequel, admit it, Justin Beiber would be equally as good for exactly the same reason. Or Sarah Mclaughlin in her day, or Joni Mitchell in hers. There is a calm confident dignity with which Canadian super celebrities comport themselves which make them suitable for that part.

Let's call the role "Laid Back God."

BTW Morgan Freeman has it too.

Subject: RE: BS: Justin Bieber is Canadian.
From: Jeri
Date: 28 Nov 12 - 08:35 PM

The movie, BTW, is "Dogma", and is one of my all-time favorites.

Subject: RE: BS: Justin Bieber is Canadian.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Nov 12 - 08:28 PM

LOL!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Justin Bieber is Canadian.
From: Jeri
Date: 28 Nov 12 - 07:39 PM

Alanis Morissette had some great lines in that movie.

Subject: RE: BS: Justin Bieber is Canadian.
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Nov 12 - 07:34 PM

Good thing for my keyboard I wasn't drinking beer when I watched that, Ed.

Subject: RE: BS: Justin Bieber is Canadian.
From: Ed T
Date: 28 Nov 12 - 07:28 PM

God is Canadian

Subject: RE: BS: Justin Bieber is Canadian.
From: GUEST,999
Date: 28 Nov 12 - 06:46 PM

CET, I really didn't know. Flabbergasted, stunned as me arse, uninformed, all the aforementioned. That's me. However, while doubting I'll ever become a fan, it makes one proud to be Canadian.

Subject: RE: BS: Justin Bieber is Canadian.
From: CET
Date: 28 Nov 12 - 06:40 PM

I am kind of flabbergasted to learn that there are people who didn't know that JB was Canadian. I have never listened to a single song of his, but I knew he was a Canuck as soon as he became famous.

Subject: RE: BS: Justin Bieber is Canadian.
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 28 Nov 12 - 05:12 PM

Liz II was born in England. That's enough for me.

Subject: RE: BS: Justin Bieber is Canadian.
From: gnu
Date: 28 Nov 12 - 05:10 PM

Oops... as 9 pointed out to me, #1 was a Brit. I was thinking about #2.

Subject: RE: BS: Justin Bieber is Canadian.
From: Ed T
Date: 28 Nov 12 - 05:03 PM

Canada Goose - Canadian?

Subject: RE: BS: Justin Bieber is Canadian.
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 28 Nov 12 - 04:38 PM

Tarzan, Welshmen, Eloi, Morlocks

Subject: RE: BS: Justin Bieber is Canadian.
From: Ed T
Date: 28 Nov 12 - 04:07 PM

Dr. Who?

The Guess Who were Canadians.

Subject: RE: BS: Justin Bieber is Canadian.
From: gnu
Date: 28 Nov 12 - 04:07 PM

"What about Elizabeth I - was she British II?"

By residency, yes.