BS: Coyote Problems?

Subject: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 03:06 AM

I understand they can become rabid. They're all over the place here. Got 2 of my cats. What do you do about them? I'm in town, so I can't run around with a rifle.
Scary Things!

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 04:34 AM

Has it ever occurred to you, Henry, that the coyotes may have a problem with you?

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 04:56 AM

I've been in the woods and been stalked by one. He had no fear. Stared at me.
I got out of there. He was about 20 feet away.
=(:-( o)

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 05:14 AM

Beep! Beep!

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 05:32 AM

If two will attack and kill a poor woman, what about the children?
=(:-( o)

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 05:57 AM

Supposedly they'll get in your watermelon patch.
Watermelon Thieves

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: kendall
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 07:27 AM

If you are attacked, go for its eyes.

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: Becca72
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 09:22 AM

Keep your cats inside and stay outta the woods. Coyotes got just as much right to "be" as any of us.

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 09:28 AM

I like it in the woods. I have as much right to be there as any damned wild animal.
=(:-( 0)

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 09:28 AM

I think that probably true, Becca. But how far can one reasonably extend that principle? Rats? Malarial mosquitoes? I ask not for contentious reasons, but genuinely to know where you, and maybe others, think such parameters should be set.

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 09:47 AM

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: Rapparee
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 09:48 AM

If a wild animal acts in a manner very different from its normal pattern (e.g., a bat attacks you) it might very well be rabid and you would do well to try to capture or kill it (without damaging the brain) and deliver it to your local public health people.

However, if a coyote follows you it means that it thinks you might be or might become food. Or it could be in love with you or think you have dog biscuits in your pocket. On the other hand, if you're near its den you might be considered a threat to the babies and it WILL attack, just as a bear or even a mouse would.

If you go down in the woods today and you are worried about being attacked, pack a pistol and shoot INTO THE GROUND (not into the air, for what goes up must come down and it might come down on someone's head). Or carry a blank starter pistol. Or a very loud whistle. Or a portable marine boat horn.

If you ARE attacked (unlikely), do as Kendall said and go for the eyes. Use a stick as a spear. Fight back, but note: this does not apply to bears! I suggest you read up on the subject of animal attacks.

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 09:50 AM

They are considered an invasive non native species.
A pest. Few restrictions on hunting them.
=(:-( ))

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: Greg F.
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 10:05 AM

If you're anywhere in North America. Crank-El, they're a native species. You're the invasive.

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 10:16 AM

They aren't native here. They are replacing this nearly extinct animal.
Red Wolf

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 10:24 AM

Henry:
I like it in the woods. I have as much right to be there as any damned wild animal.


Yep, you've got the same rights in the woods as any wild animal. That includes the right to be killed and eaten by another member of the food chain.
Your 'legal rights' don't mean much to animals!

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 10:27 AM

I'll be fine with that. It's as good a way to go as any.
=(:-( ))

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: Greg F.
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 10:43 AM

read your own article, Crank-El:

"In May 2011, an analysis of red wolf, Eastern wolf, gray wolf, and dog genomes revealed that the red wolf was 76-80 percent coyote and only 20-24 percent gray wolf, suggesting that the red wolf is actually much more coyote in origin than the Eastern wolf."

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 10:46 AM

Blablablah!
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Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: Greg F.
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 10:57 AM

yeah, but its YOUR blah, blah, blah, Crank-El.

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 11:01 AM

Because of the huge coyote population,any reintroduction of the Red Wolf is hopeless, I think.
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Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 11:05 AM

Because of the huge coyote population,any reintroduction of the Red Wolf is hopeless, I think.

There is no real proof of that statement, it is pure supposition.

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 11:11 AM

I hope so. For the Red Wolf's sake.
=(:-( 0)

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 11:15 AM

We are quite literally in the middle of the woods -- 33 acres of trees and rock on a south slope in Nottingham, New Hampshuh.

There are a lot of coyotes around, but we've never had any problems with them. Raccoons, foxes or skunks are more likely to be rabid. Just stay away from sick acting animals. I started keeping our very savvy lady cat, Sabine, inside a few years ago after spotting a fisher cat (variety of martin) very close to the back quarterdeck.

Biggest coyote I ever saw was trotting down the sidewalk on Rte 33 in Portsmouth, which is a pretty decent-sized city. It wasn't very far from Borthwick Ave. where both the hospital and several large medical buildings are. There have been problems with coyotes harrassing people in those parking lots. I did a double take when I saw this guy -- he was HUGE. Size of a large German shepherd. My first thought was "wolf". And a bit of a shock to see it right alongside a busy highway in a mixed business and residential area.

Then again, all the black bear I see are right in the thick of civilization, too. I know we have them in our woods, but I've never seen them there.

Linn

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: Greg F.
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 11:18 AM

And you haven't been eaten yet, have you, Linn?

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 11:35 AM

They aren't supposed to get bigger than about 40 lbs. The one I saw in the woods looke big as a German Shepherd too. Scary.
=(:-( O)

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 12:04 PM

We have a fair number of both deer and coyotes right in downtown Wichita, Kansas on occasion. 'Possums are just about everywhere in town, and I've been forced to "dispatch" one that aggressively attacked our dog a few years back. Raccons aren't too common in town but are seen occasionally. (I've seen more dense 'coon populations in downtown Philadelphia.)

Some time ago, we found a porcupine dozing in front of the door to the Courthouse in Boulder Colorado. (We assumed he(?) was waiting for them to open so he could file a complaint about a Krinkle.)

Skunks aren't much more common here (in town visibly) than Armadillos. The skunks are natives, but the Armadillos are immigrants from Texas mostly - hence somewhat unwanted.

Eagles nest nearby, and one pair nested on top of a downtown building for several years.

The most "objectionable" are perhaps the half dozen flocks (50+ per flock) of GEESE that local idiots have been feeding long enough that they've forgotten how to migrate as good geese should do. (That stuff is really sticky when you step on a fresh one, and some small ponds have suffered major algae blooms that kills the fish, from all the gooseshit.)

John

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: kendall
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 12:10 PM

We live in the country, plenty of woods out back, but I've only seen one Coyote. It appeared to be afraid of me, so I let it live.

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 12:16 PM

It may have been a coyote/dog cross-breed.

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 12:23 PM

That was addressed to Bat Goddess.

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 12:28 PM

We have copperheads too. Big ones.
=(:-( 0)

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: ollaimh
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 12:41 PM

i love any one who calls him crank-el

i rooting for the coyotes when crank-el is in the woods!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 12:43 PM

You're not very nice, ollie.
=(:-( /)

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 12:52 PM

The beasts that killed Taylor Mitchell (link in first message on thread) are called Eastern Coyote (Coywolf) and are a cross between Timber (grey) Wolves and coyotes. They grow much larger and stronger than the common coyote and they hunt in family packs like wolves.
Eastern Coyote (Coywolf)

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 03:59 PM

Forgive me Mudcat for taking Krinkle seriously even though we are just his puzzle and toy.   When I drive trough South Carolina they have public service announcements saying not to hunt coyotes at night because they look and act so much like red wolves. Perhaps they are not as endangered as you thought.

This article says the species may even be a cross between wolves and Coyotes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_wolf

Obviously Mr. Krinkle you have as much right to the woods as the coyote/wolf/dog, whatever it is. (Carol says it is probably a chupacabra) But animals being spared the pleasure of dealing with lawyers are blissfully unaware of your rights.

One of which is the right to bear arms. If it were me I would purchase a light, easy to carry, double barreled 410 gauge shot gun or pistol, one barrel to shoot into the ground as previously suggested, one barrel to "go for the eyes" as Kendall so sagely suggested.

The 410 would have plenty of stopping power for a dog or Coyote. It would not have the range to endanger distant people or animals with a missed shot.

Carol suggests that bear repellant, (large cans of pepper spray) would be effective with the side effect of not killing the animal. She always thinks of the humane way. She used to do animal rescue and work in a zoo.

If you do kill an attacking coyote. Save the head so that they can test it for rabies.

Did you know that most most US chupacabra sightings in the US turn out to be coyotes with extreme mange?

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 04:49 PM

In humans the condition called scabies is caused by the same mite.

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: Greg F.
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 04:57 PM

More importantly, we should be supplying firearms to the coyotes so they can protect themselves from idiots like Crank-El.

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: gnu
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 05:03 PM

Rap... "If you ARE attacked (unlikely), do as Kendall said and go for the eyes. Use a stick as a spear. Fight back, but note: this does not apply to bears!"

Sticks work well on bears if you only have a stick. Just don't go for the eyes... go for the mouth if you can, ie, if it's open.

There have been many threads in this forum with a lot of info and they are worth reading if you you think you may ever encounter a bear, yote, wolf, fox....

As for any wild animals owning any territory, I am of the opinion that I won't mess with them if they don't mess with me. Now, I respect their HOME territory and I KNOW there are places I just should not go into. And I don't do that. BUT, if I am there by mistake as when I explore new territory, I expect them to give me a break and I don't go back. If I am in "neutral" territory and they mess with me, they are dead. If they mess with me in my territory, I terminate them with extreme prejudice after appropriate warning(s).

Tree huggers who have never be amongst the trees or have never farmed are laughable to me. Hmmm... would be laughable if their ignorance wasn't so detrimental to folks that live off the land.

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: pdq
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 05:23 PM

"If you do kill an attacking coyote. Save the head so that they can test it for rabies."


If you have to shoot a wild animal, other than a game animal, walk away as quickly as you can.

As soon as the body stops producing the normal gases such as CO2, the fleas jump to the first live replacement they can find, which will be you.

The fleas may carry plague, rabies or another ones of dozens of diseases.

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 05:36 PM

Hmm good advice pdq. Call the wildlife people.

If you are worried about the legal aspects

Put the gun in the coyote's paws and claim it was suicide.

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 07:06 PM

I didn't know you can get rabies from fleas.
=(:-( o)

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: gnu
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 07:17 PM

"If you have to shoot a wild animal, other than a game animal,..."

Huh?

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 09:52 PM

Good point Gnu. Deer don't have ticks and fleas?

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: GUEST,marks(on the road)
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 11:33 PM

Listen to "A Cowboys Paean" by Tom Rush on his "Trolling for Owls" CD. Solve all your coyote problems.
You might get a free listen on Amazon - could not find it in the Digitrad or on You Tube.
Mark

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: ollaimh
Date: 06 Dec 12 - 12:04 AM

when i lived in the deep remote rocky mountains with grizzly bear neighbours and lots of black bears. there were coyotes and timber wolves, although never at the same time.

they used to call grizzlies fool killers. there were people who would say they had as much right to be in the woods as bears, and they's get killed every now and then if you live in wild country you have take notice of what's around and act intelligently. i had no guns. i did share a pack of a dozen or so malamutes(we sold them occasionally so the number varried), most predators will veer aroung big dogs and take the eaay route. in the winter when i was cross country skying i would see timber wolves fairly close--for about ten seconds. they don't hang around. very imressive animals. when grizzlies were around i made as wide a berth as possible.grizzlies actually waken once or twice in the winter, unlike black bears. that's when you really don't want to meet one, they are hungry then.

i was never bothered by coyotes, but if someone showed up with a gun theysatyed much further away. they understood what a gun was. you rarely see wolves near people and not for very long.

and crank-el, i like those grizzlies a lot more then i like you, and they made a lot more sense.

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: Rapparee
Date: 06 Dec 12 - 12:13 AM

Oh, hell's bells! We have wolf, grizzly and black bear, mountain lion, fox, coyote, skunk, and God alone knows what else in these here hills. The worst I came across was a rattlesnake and I threw that (living) into the river I was fishing. Yeah, I sometimes carry a pistol into the brush (sage, among other types), but I haven't had to use it on an animal yet -- the four-legged types will leave you alone unless a) you do something really stupid, like try to pet one or, b) they're rabid or otherwise sick.

In the animal world I'm more concerned with wasps or a spider in the outhouse than I am about being attacked by a coyote, mountain lion, or wolf.

On the other hand, I am far more concerned about two legged types because they're DAMNED unpredictable.

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: GUEST,Big Al Whittle
Date: 06 Dec 12 - 12:20 AM

Well my sympathy is completely with Henry.

If I were you. I'd kill the bastards. Get a rocket launcher and an AK47 - blow the mangy canine away = in fact vaporise the bugger.

I have extensive knowledge of these beasts and I can tell you from grim experience that a coyote calling out means only one thing - you are about to be attacked by Indians!

In fact get the weapons out and put up the shutters. Its quiet out there - too quiet!

zoom! thud!

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 06 Dec 12 - 12:42 AM

Apparently I stand a better chance of being attacked by feral dogs.
They are the same species as the wolf. A pack killed an elderly couple near here.
=(:-( O)

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 06 Dec 12 - 12:47 AM

The Coyote's side

The Mark Twain quote at the start is brilliant!!

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: gnu
Date: 06 Dec 12 - 04:20 AM

Virginia Whitetail deer often have ticks that carry Lyme disease. Don't know about fleas.

Rap... when you kill one a them there spiders, mount the antlers on the outhouse as a warning to the others and Bob's yer uncle.