BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 11 Jan 13 - 05:42 PM

pdq, I think that young man did show Piers Morgan for what he is. An organized interviewer who pins down weasels like that young man and forces them to keep trying to change the subject and talking about irrelevant topics.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 11 Jan 13 - 05:23 PM

If the comments on the link above typify the American national psyche, the God help the rest of the word

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: pdq
Date: 11 Jan 13 - 11:23 AM

My old computer doesn't `do` videos so I have to assume this is good:

                                                                                       young man shows Piers Morgan for what he is

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: gnu
Date: 31 Dec 12 - 06:54 PM

Don... "...the fact that these school mass murders could not, as you claim, happen without the availability of rapid fire large capacity guns specifically designed for killing people."

Said it on another threadsssss... that is bullshit. If ya wanna kill, you aim. If you don't aim, you don't kill. None of these killers just pulled ONE trigger and kept it squeezed. It's just NOT efficient. And, said it on another threadsssss... it don't take but a few simple tools to make any weapon do what you say is the problem AND, on more than one threadssss, I have tried to explain that repeating weapons of MANY types are FAR more deadly that what you espouse as "killers".

Said it on a number of threadssss... guns do NOT kill people... BAD GUN LAWS kill people. Dunno why I have to post that again. Surely I have said it SO many times on SO many threadssssssssss?

Bark all yas antis want. But, sooner or later, someone is gonna shoot that yappy little dog. Or, ignore it... like the NRA does because yas all can't understand some common fuckin sense.

The NRA does what it does because of the shit that you anti's just don't get. We had another recent thread where peeps posted NObody ever said "get rid of ALL the guns". There were posts in that thread that said THAT! Unreal to me to read such crap.

Until you anti-gun nuts understand the gun nuts and WHY they think YOU are nuts... well, they got guns... do the fuckin math! JAYSUS! WTF is wrong with ALL (anti AND pro) of you? It's easy to solve this if you ALL would just stop yer fuckin bullshit, self-righteous crap!

Oh, yeah, right, sorry. Said that on many past threadssss.... dunno why I thought any of youse would listen this time.

And, all of youse just keep on allowing children to be slain because youse can't get yer shit together. BOTH sides. Shame on every single one of you.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 31 Dec 12 - 05:56 PM

Spot on Al!

Somebody said it earlier.

""A real friend isn't someone who agrees with everything you say. A real friend is someone who tells you the hard, unvarnished, unpalatable truth!""

Pratt and Lott and all their ilk are dangerous idiots, with a vested interest in the reduction of "Law and Order" to "Might Makes Right".

Piers Morgan might just be the best friend that US parents have, at the moment.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: GUEST,Stim
Date: 31 Dec 12 - 12:54 PM

It was the signoff for Linda Ellerbee and Bill Schechner's "NBC News Overnight"--which has been called "possibly the best written and most intelligent news program ever." And, as you may allude,John, her name is Linda Jane.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 31 Dec 12 - 08:43 AM

In for a penny, in for a pound. Or should that be Jane, and not Penny?

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: GUEST,Big Al Whittle
Date: 31 Dec 12 - 06:43 AM

so it goes - Cats Cradle by Kurt Vonnegut?

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: GUEST,Big Al Whittle
Date: 31 Dec 12 - 06:39 AM

Believe you me Stim, if a pygmy like Piers can get them this rattled - there are some pretty guilty feeling villains. And they know they've been rumbled.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: GUEST,Stim
Date: 31 Dec 12 - 05:38 AM

I am not making excuses for myself, or anyone, Big Al, I am trying to help you to understand the situation here on the ground, as they say.
Personally, I have made a life commitment to confronting and dealing with a number of social and political issues, most of which, perhaps not surprisingly, I believe to be a the core of the real problem here.

When I say "life commitment", it really means years of my life and a lot of my own money developing and implementing programs that address these problems on a one-on-one basis.

There are not two sides in this. When there is a problem,some people need to believe there is a villain out to blame it on.
Most always, the ensuing conflict takes on a life of it's own, and the
real problem is never dealt with. So it goes....

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 31 Dec 12 - 05:16 AM

""I saw your post in the Indian Murder thread, and note that you have a simple, but different explanation for what happened there. I would suggest that your simple "explanations" come more from your need to make sense out of these terrible events than out of any real understanding.""

Which has nothing whatever to do with the fact that these school mass murders could not, as you claim, happen without the availability of rapid fire large capacity guns specifically designed for killing people.

You insist on personalising a comment which was addressed to the whole USA.

If you don't feel the need to have guns yourself, why do you disagree with the idea of controlling them?

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: GUEST,Big Al Whittle
Date: 30 Dec 12 - 08:53 PM

I'm sorry if this sounds simplistic. But truth about activism is simple - you have to act. Things may not get done in your lifetime even, but it feels good giving dull reality a kick in the bollocks and giving the world a push in the right direction.

Even if its only a facebook page for people to register their solidarity with you on the issue.

All you're really saying is that the other side has got its shit together. Perhaps you aren't the guy who will see the collapse of the citadel - but maybe your job in history is to put up the first recruiting poster for opposition.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: GUEST,Stim
Date: 30 Dec 12 - 05:55 PM

Not that simple. First of all, it is not my guns or my kids because I have no guns. Secondly, after the Newtown shootings a lot of the gun rights people were made even more determined to hold on to them and keep them available than before, making even minimal changes in laws and enforcement difficult, and thirdly, very unfortunately, the availability of guns, tho certainly a factor, is not the root cause of the problem, and even without guns, these types of large scale killings will continue to happen, as they have always happened.

I saw your post in the Indian Murder thread, and note that you have a simple, but different explanation for what happened there. I would suggest that your simple "explanations" come more from your need to make sense out of these terrible events than out of any real understanding.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: GUEST,Stim
Date: 30 Dec 12 - 03:20 PM

In fact, Big Al, my little flight of fancy there was inspired two, count them, two separate and unconnected runarounds that I am going through in a couple of government programs that are allegedly providing me with services. Without going into details, there is funding for the services I am not receiving, but, due to budget cuts, the administrative staff that support the programs are gone. Also, if the funds are not spent, the will be returned, and the program
grant next year will equal what has been spent this year.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 30 Dec 12 - 03:02 PM

Except of course the sacrifice of your kids to the concept of the inviolability of an out dated amendment to a document the gun manufacturers conveniently hold sacred.

You accuse us of over simplifying.

It IS very simple.

Your GUNS, or your KIDS?

Which is more important to you?

Once you honestly answer that question (without obfuscation), the solution is equally obvious.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: GUEST,Big Al Whittle
Date: 29 Dec 12 - 10:50 PM

Stim, we all knew y'all weren't in too much of a rush. I realise theres other priorities.....nothings spoiling!

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: GUEST,Stim
Date: 29 Dec 12 - 10:40 PM

Oh, all right then, Big Al. I'll get on that tomorrow. No, wait, that's still the weekend. I'd say Monday, but that's New Year's Eve, and everyone is off, Tuesday, obviously, is out, and I'd call it for Wednesday, but everything will be crazy because everyone's getting back from the Holidays.
Thursday's going to be the first chance to get any work done, and there won't be time to start anything new, and Friday, well, Friday is Friday, but it'll be a sure start Monday a week. Tuesday at latest. Or certainly Wednesday. Thursday for sure...I'll have a leg up on it by that Friday, if not the following Monday....

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: pdq
Date: 29 Dec 12 - 05:28 PM

In 2003, Brazil had an amazing 39,000 gun deaths with only 17,000,000 total guns in the country.

The United States has 270,000,000 guns.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: Ed T
Date: 29 Dec 12 - 04:00 PM

It's stange when one reads the many posts on this site and the different interpretations of the term "delusional fantasy".

IMO, if it is someone else's perspective, that a person does not share (for whatever historic reason), it is tagged a delusion.

Why not pick some original words folks? Then we may invision original thoughts went into the statements?

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: GUEST,big al whittle
Date: 29 Dec 12 - 03:37 PM

no one is suggesting the general disarming of the population will be easy or quick. We're just saying it needs doing. Make a start.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: GUEST,Stim
Date: 29 Dec 12 - 03:12 PM

It's not the trans-ponders, it's everybody who demands that somebody do something about "it" without getting the fact that nobody can even agree on what "it" is.

The sad truth is that people(not just here) tend to act out their emotions when these things happen, which is really the problem in the first place.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 29 Dec 12 - 05:47 AM

OK. I accept that, but let's face it, it's no good resenting or criticising transponders for poking their nose into what the US regards as private business.
I mean the US has been sticking it's nose into how other countries are run, for many years. So it seems only fair we should comment on their problems too.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: GUEST,Stim
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 09:38 PM

Actually, John McK, you couldn't be more wrong about me. I'm not a "gun rights" person. Far, far, from it.

My problem is with people who aggressively put forward simpleminded solutions to complex problems that they know virtually nothing about. In this situation, that includes most of the people on both sides

In fact, I have a problem with the fact that there are two sides to this. There really shouldn't be. There are though, and in the parlance of our well-meaning cross-the-ponders, there's nowt to do about it.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 08:05 PM

I suppose all this is an example of what animal behaviourists call "displacement activity".

It's a shame when professional gun lobbyists get let off the hook because of a style of TV 'journalism' which is just a shouting match, and a grotesque form of public entertainment.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 06:22 PM

""DonT, here are the assault comparisons, Nationmaster Assault Rankings, by Country
from UNICRI (United Nations Interregional Crime and Justice Research Institute).""

You had better find out what the figures are for Florida and Alabama and add them, then get back to me.

What makes you think that the true US figures are handed over to the UN.

The USA has shown nothing but contempt for the UN, ignoring resolutions to start illegal wars and refusing point blank to sign up to the International Court of Justice.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 06:08 PM

As I said before. People like Stim have this weird mindset, where guns are more important than people.

You may kill our kids, but you won't take our guns, is the war cry of unreasoning people of his ilk.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: GUEST,big al whittle
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 04:58 PM

well you can't have it all ways Stim. Either you're bothered enough about these shootings to do something or you're going to do nowt.

You think the arms manufacturers who finance your presidential candidates campaigns are okay guys.

Compared to everywhere else, the US is doing pretty good.

Yankee doodle do and die, and you're doing nowt. Its not broken, don't fix it.


A few broken hearts ...collateral damage.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: GUEST,Stim
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 04:38 PM

Big Al, don't skip the med cart again...you've lost focus entirely, and are ranting incoherently.

DonT, here are the assault comparisons, Nationmaster Assault Rankings, by Country
from UNICRI (United Nations Interregional Crime and Justice Research Institute).

These are likely the numbers that Mr. Pratt referred to in the interview, although we don't know, because Mr. Morgan was otherwise occupied and failed to question him.

SPB-Cooperator--Oh, gosh, do you mean if we don't do what you say, our children will die horrible deaths? Really? How tasteful to point that out...

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 03:18 PM

There's a simple solution to this. The US gun nuts should SHOOT the bastard - then we don't have to have him back!

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: GUEST,Big Al Whittle
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 03:07 PM

No skin off our noses.....

Not until they start sending the guns to the lads of the gallant IRA. Shooting at our soldiers as they try to referee a shooting match between two gangs of Irishmen.

Not until the arms industry extracts a price for the puppet they elect as president - and the price is inevitably a bloody silly war. Then they come knocking on our door - asking for moral back up in the UN.And woe betide the Prime Minister like Wilson, the last one who had the backbone to tell them we weren't marching into Vietnam with them.

What was it every bullet fired in Vietnam cost thetaxpayer - 13 or was it 15 dollars?

The US arms industry has done more than taken the skin of our noses.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 02:43 PM

We can go on arguing the toss over the stats till we are all blue in the face but you guys have a very simple decision to make, carry on with the status quo but accept that more incidents like Sandy Hook, are inevitable, or change your laws with the intention of making your country a safer place, and maybe question the motivation of the factions that are ardently against reform.

Either way, it is no skin off our noses, we can sleep at night without worrying whether we will get a phone call from the authorities that a blood-bath has happened. We are adults, you are adults, it's your kids' lives, it's your choice which you will have to live with one way or other.

Good luck with your choices, but if you don't choose wisely (in our opinions) then don't hold your hands up in horror if the same thing happens again.

In the words of Einstein - the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

And on the original thread - sorry but the returns and exchanges policy clearly state that you have had Piers Morgan too long to send him back, but you are free to pass him on second hand to another country.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: GUEST,Big Al Whittle
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 01:38 PM

Go on - amaze! what didn't you count to get us doing more violent crime than America? People who were asking for it, people smelling of foreign food, people who weren't walking sideways ......?

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 01:31 PM

If you wish to play the statistics game that's fine.

Read and digest the FBI figures for 2011.

Total murders 12,664 of which 8,583 were committed using guns. This is not a complete picture as Florida and Alabama presented no figures.

So, the above is the best case scenario if you assume that there were no murders in 2011 in the "Stand your ground" state and Alabama.

Since Mississippi, next door to Alabama has three times the national average, one can assume that a low number is unlikely, which may be why their murder rates are hidden.

In the UK total murders 2011 was 564 of which 39 were committed using guns, according to the Office for National Statistics (ONS).

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 12:35 PM

""And you tend to focus on the the fact that you had only 41 gun related murders this year and ignore the fact that you had almost 400 murders total, ten times that number. I found a site that showed pictures of all your murder victims-many had been stabbed to death, there were some who had been kicked to death, and two lucky souls were sent off with cross bows. For the most part, your victims looked like a random cross section. Not ours.""

If you are referring to the "murder map" Stim, I pointed out at the time that it included murders dating back as far as 1812.

Think again
Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: GUEST,Stim
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 11:37 AM

Thanks, PDQ. And, yes, I understand your point completely. I generally don't get involved in this(and a lot of other "political" issues), exactly for the reason that you give--people cherry pick the facts to support their agendas, rather than using the facts to shape them.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: pdq
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 11:07 AM

Nice posts there, Stim.

Unfortunately, you can't have a rational discussion with people who intentionally twist the facts to support their agenda. Like this:



Subject: BS: US : UK gun statistics
From: GUEST,rewind - PM
Date: 23 Dec 12 - 12:44 PM

5:1    - ratio of the population of the USA compared to the UK
8000:1 - ratio of the number of gun deaths USA (31,500) to UK (39) per year

500 USA gun deaths SINCE THE SANDY HOOK SCHOOL KILLINGS (9 days ago) - that's over 10 times the UK yearly average in just over a week....

(Source - Independent on Sunday)

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: Rob Naylor
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 10:12 AM

Stim,

That wasn't 41 gun-related MURDERS, it was 41 gun-related *deaths* (including suicides and negligent discharges). There were actually 8 gun-related murders in the UK in that period.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: GUEST,Stim
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 10:03 AM

Don't despair for me, Big Al, you seem to be at greater risk of violence than me, since your violent crime rate is double ours, which is why I think you are all being so strident.

And you tend to focus on the the fact that you had only 41 gun related murders this year and ignore the fact that you had almost 400 murders total, ten times that number. I found a site that showed pictures of all your murder victims-many had been stabbed to death, there were some who had been kicked to death, and two lucky souls were sent off with cross bows. For the most part, your victims looked like a random cross section. Not ours.

Most of our murders are ghetto murders, most of the victims and perpetrators are between 20-26, and most are involved in drug trafficking. Sadly, this is so far removed from most American's lives
that it is generally ignored. Well, not by everyone--it's the real reason "gun nuts" buy the assault rifles--they're afraid of the...well you know who they're afraid of.

Again, though most choose to ignore it, our murder rate has dropped significantly, as has our violent crime rate. The "gun rights" people
don't acknowledge it, because it shows that they don't need their guns. The "gun control" people don't acknowledge it because it would mean that guns aren't really the cause of it all.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 06:40 AM

Piers Morgan said what most of the cilised countries of the western world are thinking.

So sue him, and see if you can convince even a US court that he didn't have the right to give his opinion.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 06:35 AM

""The homicide rate runs between 80-90 per 100,000 population annually. The homicide rate for every body else in the US is down in the 1.5 - 3
per 100,000 population, annually. Which is right about where it is for the UK and other "Western/First World" countries.""

Wrong again.

The rate in the UK is 0.41 per 100,000, between one third and one sixth of your lowest.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: GUEST,Big Al Whittle
Date: 27 Dec 12 - 10:43 PM

Stim, I despair of you.....

Of course if you exclude 'males of a certain age range, belonging to a certain socio-economic group, isolated to certain geographical areas' - you can arrive at results comparable to places with a more sensible policy to arms control. In fact, if you excluded certain species - just conducted your statistics to homicide amongst kangaroos - you might even have better results.

You're kidding no one but yourself. You have to get guns out of the reach of most people - if you want to stop all these killings and woundings. That simple.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: GUEST,Stim
Date: 27 Dec 12 - 01:17 PM

I am sure I am not alone in saying that I appreciate your concern, but you don't really understand the problem, any better than anyone else does. When you say "you've got this as wrong as its possible to get anything" you are make the assumption that you understand what the problem is and know a solution for it that will work, which you don't.

There are more guns, but there are also more gun laws. There is much, much, less violent crime, including murder, but there seem to be more
binge shootings.

Most of the gun related murders occur among males of a certain age range, belonging to a certain socio-economic group, isolated to certain geographical areas. (I'm not going to be more specific than that, because political and religious leaders get very indignant) Curiously,this community doesn't have the high level of registered gun ownership that others have.

The homicide rate runs between 80-90 per 100,000 population annually. The homicide rate for every body else in the US is down in the 1.5 - 3
per 100,000 population, annually. Which is right about where it is for the UK and other "Western/First World" countries.

The random, binge shootings account for a tiny proportion of the gun-related deaths, and are unlike the other deaths because they are as likely to occur one socio-economic and geopgraphical area as in another, though the ones in middle and upper income areas draw more attention than the ones in lower income areas.

There are also a lot more interesting and often conflicting facts, and, if you are going to explain, let alone solve, this problem, you have to address all of them.

So now, please, give me a solution that covers all the bases.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 27 Dec 12 - 12:48 PM

Speaking of the decline of civilization, should we all chip in and buy ollaimh a "shift" key? ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: GUEST,Big Al Whittle
Date: 27 Dec 12 - 11:59 AM

No not angry. Very sorry for you. Not in a patroniaing way.

Life is getting tougher and shittier for all of us. More serial killers. More drugs on the street. You can't let kids play on the street like we used to.

But having all these guns around must add an extra bit of hell to it all. Burglar Bill is a potential murderer. Dumb delinquents wanting to show off have another way to fuck up their own lives and a few other peoples. The prison system has become a growth industry.

Surely to God - you can see you've got this one as wrong as its possible to get anything. Its like watching your best friend take heroin - its just so bloody sad.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 27 Dec 12 - 11:53 AM

So many people confuse their right of free speech, with the right to abuse other people.
I say once again, there are no rights, without responsibilities.
You have no right to enjoy any so called 'inalienable rights' unless you use them responsibly.
If you're not responsible, you shouldn't have the right to carry so much as a peashooter. Concealed or otherwise!

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: Ebbie
Date: 27 Dec 12 - 11:50 AM

Hmmmmm "Lead"? Wouldn't that be lovely. Elegant, even.

What about Canada? Mexico? The UK? Europe? Asia? Do they/you use leaded petrol? What about lead in interior housepaint? Surely there is lots of housepaint left that has lead in it?

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: ollaimh
Date: 27 Dec 12 - 11:28 AM

obviously pdq's education was very pretty damn quick, or non exostant. anyone who is interested in some understanding of how anglo culture has lost the ability to reason and undersdtand, read john raulston saul's "unconscious civilization" and for the brave"his voltaire's bastards.

the inability to porecieve reality and the devotion to delusional fantasy is the hall mark of declining civilizations. civilizations on the rise and at full strenght have no time for delusional self flattery. however the soft and rich start to think they "earned" it with their ideas, when they just inherited it.

there are almost no liberals in america.

we had thirteen years of liberal government, and we had eleven years of budget surplusses. now we have a conservative government--you guessed it, the largest deficits in canadian history. the right has become delusional. they used to be fiscally responsible and they used to be responsible in public safety and law and order. not anymore.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: GUEST,Stim
Date: 27 Dec 12 - 10:46 AM

I actually do get it, Big Al. You're angry. That doesn't mean that you know what you're talking about, though. Piers Morgan, either.

The fact is, the murder rate, including the gun related murder rate, has gone down drastically in the US, and actually, a lot of the world.
This is an undisputable fact. In 1990, in the city that never sleeps, NYC, there were about 2400 murders. This year, with about four days left to count, there have been less than 400. That's the lowest since 1962 or some such, and almost as low as it was during the 1940s.

Everyone seems to want to take credit for it(Including, in case you missed it, Mr. Pratt), however, no one really knows why...read this for some commentary on that New York's Murder Rate was Zero Last Monday'

So before y'all storm the Bastille, maybe you need to clarify what it is you're angry about...

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 27 Dec 12 - 08:37 AM

In my view the Universal Declaration of Human Rights takes precendence over any individual nation's constitution or legislature although the declaration and individuaol constitutions hold much is common.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 27 Dec 12 - 05:59 AM

""Everything is a privilege; nothing is a right""

You had better take that up with the Founding Fathers.

In the first amendment they guaranteed a right to free speech, and since the Bill of Rights (or was it the Constitution) began with ""We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men being created equal..........."", that right referred to ALL MEN, not just US citizens.

It is sheer unadulterated hypocrisy to hold the second amendment inviolate, while advocating that the first be ignored at will.

Don T.