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Subject: BS: Are fewer people posting? From: Dave the Gnome Date: 29 Mar 13 - 02:53 PM From another thread - And you wonder WHY so few people post to Mudcat any longer???????? Is this true? I don't see it myself but I am willing to learn! If so - What has brought it about? Suggestions? Ideas? Cheers DtG |
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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting? From: GUEST,Eliza Date: 29 Mar 13 - 03:09 PM Hello Dave! Can you poss give the context of the above quote? What was the poster commenting on exactly? I haven't been a contributor for all that long, but at first it seemed a lovely forum for interesting discussions and thought-provoking ideas. However, there seems to have been lately a degeneration into nastiness and outright bullying which sits ill with the general ethos of friendliness and respectful exchange of opinions. I feel it's only half a dozen or so who take over threads and slug it out between them, firing insults and vituperative venom at eachother and viciously attacking innocent participants caught in the crossfire. I imagine this would put people off returning to post. There are nonetheless still so many delightful, intelligent and interesting folk here that I enjoy Mudcat and value my fellow posters as if they were friends. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting? From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 29 Mar 13 - 03:13 PM I know several who are disgruntled, refuse to donate money, or who have stopped contributing. Can't comment on numbers; they may be few. Several reasons- The stupid posts below the Belt, disagreement with Max, questionable or seeming selective censoring of posts. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting? From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 29 Mar 13 - 03:20 PM Eliza covers one of the points I give above quite well. Nastiness, the ignorance and bullying by some, seems to have increased to a danger point. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting? From: Jack the Sailor Date: 29 Mar 13 - 03:44 PM IMHO, The website is a dinosaur. Clunky, slow, unreliable with less than optimal management tools. It may have been state of the art when I started posting 12 years ago, but any improvements seem to have been cosmetic. It is hard for me to justify to myself paying Max to house servers and t1s and whatnot, when we could all just move to a cloud based service, faster, fully reliable, with lots of forum friendly features for next to free. I don't think there are fewer posters, There do seem to be fewer posts. Not as many topics interest me as before and several of the catters I used to come here to read have switched to Facebook and I touch base with them there. Eliza, I said to Larry Saidman, that 2 % of the members make 80% of the noise. Certainly, you and I had a recent conversation which was, to put it kindly, heckled. That happened for two reasons, a value of this forum is free exchange and minimal censorship, which is a very good thing, and the moderation is unstructured and a little inconsistent. But though I recognize that, I am simply pointing it out and NOT complaining, because it is volunteer and even if I thought I could do better, I don't have the patience or the times. IMHO I think that it is inevitable that people will slip away from this group. Max obviously does not have the resources to compete with Facebook, and even middle aged fogies like me lose interest after the same topics have been debated more than 5 times. We are not exactly a draw for the youth. I certainly don't agree with the implied premise of this. "And you wonder WHY so few people post to Mudcat any longer????????" People have not decreased their number of posts because other people are arguing. People have always argued here. In fact the current lack of arguments about the forum itself is a relief and a blessing. Posting has declined because though the love their friends here, people have found other ways to express themselves and other things to do. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting? From: Joybell Date: 29 Mar 13 - 04:30 PM I haven't been able to get in for nearly a month for some reason. Might be my server. We have problems with some other sites too. I still prefer Mudcat to Facebook and the like. Joy |
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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting? From: Dave the Gnome Date: 29 Mar 13 - 04:57 PM Interesting point's one and all. Yes, I do know of some people who will not visit any more because of the way a small handful create havoc. Yet those who have left are a tiny proportion compared to the whole Mudcat population. I cannot really give the context without being accused of nastiness myself but suffice it to say the poster gave the comment instead of being able to provide a cohesive argument. Basically - They threw their toys out of the pram! I was willing to believe that the comment was true if it had any justification, but it appears not to have to date. Does anyone have the facts and figures for the number of posts and posters now compared to, say, 12 months ago? Cheers Dave |
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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting? From: John MacKenzie Date: 29 Mar 13 - 05:06 PM Someone probably has, but I don't think we'll find out what they are. I run Adblock, as do others, and I believe the ads need to be clicked regularly to give the site cred, and/or income, with Google, or whoever. So that would be a telling factor. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting? From: Jack the Sailor Date: 29 Mar 13 - 05:12 PM "Yes, I do know of some people who will not visit any more because of the way a small handful create havoc." I can't say it has always been that way. I can say that it has been that way on this forum for a at least 12 years. And this "Basically - They threw their toys out of the pram!" is a very nice way to describe that behavior in leaving this forum and others I have posted to. No format, certainly no format that allows free debate pleases everyone. People come people go. People who are displeased with the rancor can avoid certain threads and avoid certain topics. Many do. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting? From: Bettynh Date: 29 Mar 13 - 05:17 PM Posting and contacting are different, aren't they? Max gave us this link to the heartbeat of Mudcat. Lots of folks looking up lyrics or just checking in. Many believe is you can't say something nice don't say anything at all. ;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting? From: The Sandman Date: 29 Mar 13 - 05:20 PM I think this is the best forum, facebook is useful but there are too many posts about what i had for breakfast, this is a good music forum through this forum i very recently came across this helpful you tube clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4DWcpYOQM0 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting? From: Rapparee Date: 29 Mar 13 - 05:41 PM You mean like Martin Gibson and a few others? They were tossed out. Others haven't published because they are too busy or for other, personal, reasons unrelated to nasties. I'm not interested in whether "Obamacare" is genocide or what to do about guns in the US. Neither problem will be solved here, no minds will be changed here, and nearly all of these sorts of things have been talked to death. So I only post where it looks like it might be interesting: Experimental Philosophy, MOAB, etc. If I want a nasty argument or a fight I can go to several bars around here. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting? From: Ed T Date: 29 Mar 13 - 06:05 PM When was the last time anyone saw an original idea/concept in the ever emerging religious and Israel-Palistinian threads? (individuals sniping at each other does not count). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting? From: gnu Date: 29 Mar 13 - 06:07 PM "Max obviously does not have the resources to compete with Facebook" Oh yes he does... yer here ain'tchya? And I am here and I am behind Max and Art and Rap and Severn and 9 and Big Mick and Nigel and kat and LEJ and olddude and Kendall and SINS and Bobert and SiX and Jts and.... at least a few hundred others over my dozen years here. There are far more than that that I don't know or whose threads/posts I haven't even read but this Café reaches even further. Resources? I'll aftta pick da bones outta dat fish an see if I can get n down me troat me love. JtS... >;-) You know I mean that in a good way, lad. I coulda said, "Ahem! I beg to differ, kind sir." But, I is a Herring Choker and ye is a Newfie so's yeees unnerstan me... eh? Kinda like we was inna kitchen? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting? From: GUEST,Peter Date: 29 Mar 13 - 06:12 PM I don't know about Mudcat but other forums that I visit do seem to be on the decline. Perhaps all the missing people are tweeting instead. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting? From: ranger1 Date: 29 Mar 13 - 06:36 PM I lurk more and post less. I rarely post above the line due to the general snarkiness I have met with there. I also know a couple of young (as in under 20) people who dropped in, joined, and left because of the general unfriendliness and lack of respect they encountered. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting? From: Janie Date: 29 Mar 13 - 07:14 PM I do think the advent of facebook and other on-line forums has resulted in people being drawn away from the below the line section. The BS section has shrunk considerably, and the threads that used to build and reinforce community don't happen so often and have fewer participants. I know more about what is going on in the lives of others from Mudcat now from Facebook than from here. While most of the BS threads now seem to consist of a few voices fighting the same old arguments, I don't think it is so much that 'Catters have been driven away as it is a process of evolution and dilution as the rest of the web has sort of caught up with Max's original genius. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting? From: GUEST,olddude Date: 29 Mar 13 - 07:30 PM well there is no shortage of posts insulting others faith or political convictions. that doesn't lend to friendship or a desire to continue contribuing |
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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting? From: gnu Date: 29 Mar 13 - 07:51 PM Well said, Janie, and others... but anyone who has been here for a dozen years or more knows it is spring. Think about that for a minute and all will become known to except a few. Been HERE, done it... got a Tshirt, a bunch of CDs, DVDs... THREAD DRIFT!!!! ... but NO FUCKIN HAT! WHAT DO I HAVE TO DO TO GET A FUCKIN HAT???? JAYSUS, MAX!!! FOR THE UMPTEETH TIME... WHERE ARE YOUR MARKETING SKILLS? Okay, let me calm down and try thread drift in a constructive manner. What's the average age of members? It's BALD for at least half fer *****sakes! It's not rocket science, Max... is it? Now... Tshirts? What's the average age of members? YOU might look good in a Tshirt but do you REALLY wanna see me and ***** and ******* and any of the eldery other Mudcatters in Tshirts? I thought not. So... get yet yer shit together and get us some FUCKIN HATS! Otherwise, we just all might wear our Tshirts in public and what would that say about The Mudcat Café? Thread drift over. Move on. Nothing to read here. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting? From: Jack the Sailor Date: 29 Mar 13 - 08:15 PM "I rarely post above the line due to the general snarkiness" Do you mean below? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting? From: gnu Date: 29 Mar 13 - 08:28 PM JtS... she might. And I know how it feels. >;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting? From: Janie Date: 29 Mar 13 - 08:33 PM Mudcat falls under the rubric of social networking, but not all social networks are communities. I don't have a sense of community on Facebook like I still have here, though I realize it is a shrinking community. Lots of factors go into that shrinkage. We are aging. Many of us are scrapping so hard to keep jobs that we don't have time to hang out, new members don't come along to renew and refresh ideas and conversations. Familiarity breeds contempt, as well as a tendency to pigeon hole and not listen to one another. Same thing happens in small, insular rural communities that either die or grow and change. I think Mudcat will be here a long, long time as a continuing folk music resource and forum - that is what it was originally designed to be, as I understand it. I only came along in 2002 so am not one of the "old timers." Time passes. Lots of things change. I don't think the community that exists here will go away anytime soon. It is not the social community it once was, and probably never will be again, because things change. It may eventually evolve into another kind of social community. Who knows? Mudcat as a social community reflects larger social trends. Change happens. Whether it is evolution or de-evolution is to a certain extent a matter of perspective. Viewing it from the standpoint of bonafide social community, Mudcat seems to me to be dying. It may be like a phoenix however, that arises from it's ashes. Might not look like the phoenix that burned, however. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting? From: JohnInKansas Date: 29 Mar 13 - 11:02 PM Recently when I had occasion to look for an older thread that had "dropped off" I did a refresh, no filter, one year, and noted that there were a lot more threads returned from "above the line" than from the BS section. This seems to be somewhat contrary to the opinion expressed in other recent threads on the subject, but I haven't repeated the experiment to see whether it's a consistent result. A possible explanation is that "BS threads last longer," maybe because so many of them degenerate into mutual abuse that "goes on forever" with one or two (?) bullies posting just often enough to keep them alive and stinking, while most music questions/discussions are fairly quickly terminated and replaced by new subjects. It should be noted that loading "everything" (i.e. searching a long time back) does place some extra burden on the 'cat's server, so frequent use of "way-back refreshes" should be deprecated and used only when actually needed. Also note that there is a limit on how many returns are displayed, so refreshing "a long time back" without a specific filter word/phrase to limit the number of "hits" does not necessarily produce a longer list than a more reasonable time span - so don't bother unless you need to. [Refreshing "all the way back" will not get you the first surviving post at mudcat ... Certified ... Guaranteed ... Assured ... Promised ... and sworn to by reliable sources.] John |
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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting? From: Bill D Date: 29 Mar 13 - 11:04 PM Having been here almost from the first..(Nov,1996) I have watched all the changes. I used to be a serious source for information for Folk Music.... but withing a few years, there were many, many more who knew far more than I, and within 6-10 years there were so many songs posted and questions answered that Mudcat was one of the most complete and eclectic sites on the WWW. Then Google found us, and now a serious search for lyrics or answers brings up a Mudcat thread. .... I have done a Google search on some song, only to find the basic answer in a thread *I* had forgotten I started a few years before. So... the resource is worth preserving no matter what 'problems' some folks seem to have with the format, the posters or the topics which often arise. This place has become an extended family, with many, many distant cousins and drop-ins... and like any family, there are quiet members, loud members, resilient members, 'thin-skinned' members...and everything in between. The BS area allows those who don't care to debate politics or religion, etc., to just browse music threads.... while allowing some of the freest discussion on odd topics (or non-sequitur non-topics) to be found anywhere. Sure... some folks are ...ummmm... 'focused', to put it politely, on certain opinions and topics. At a live, real party, one can just shake their heads and walk away when a discussion gets beyond their comfort level- as they (usually) don't want to say what they feel to someone's face. Here (and online in general) people often feel a lot less restricted..(maybe because no one can take a swing at them...or maybe because they are almost totally anonymous.) No easy answer to those who wish that "people would just try to get along" and restrain themselves. It is what it is... we have tried serious editing and controls, and we have tried almost no editing or censorship.... and you know what? No system pleased everyone! The worst problems have gradually been alleviated (you mean you haven't noticed??) Where were you 5-8 years ago? I am here.... I read and post 'some' to music threads, and join some of the BS discussions. I will stay here, trying to offer my ideas and opinions without being offensive or making enemies. Max says (I have spoken to him several times in person about this) that he intends to keep Mudcat alive for its main purpose (the database)and allow the members to make of the forum what they will. So far, the good has FAR outweighed the bad... and I am betting that IF fewer people post, it won't affect the larger purpose much at all! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting? From: Joe Offer Date: 30 Mar 13 - 02:17 AM Let's see if I can get this table to post. I recorded the number of the last message from March 1 of every year, and from that I subtracted the number of the last message of the previous year. That should give us a year-end total number of messages for every year. Here goes:
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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting? From: John MacKenzie Date: 30 Mar 13 - 05:53 AM Well if you insist on, and even boast about, an 'anything goes' forum, then you're never gonna stop disrespect. I have always said, and will continue to say till my dieing breath (Won't be long now folks, just be patient) This forum needs judicious editing, especially below the line. Not all GUESTS are bad, but in general, below the line, they ain't good. Even if only on the grounds of good taste, a lot of the shit down here could go, and wouldn't be missed. Me, I'm just a free loader, done my time, paid my dues, got my DD. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting? From: GUEST,CS Date: 30 Mar 13 - 06:13 AM one of the great things about mudcat is that information on anything is always available super quick too - people know and share or they go out of their way to help you find out. yes there are people who squabble, it gets tiresome if an otherwise informative and interesting topic gets dominated by personal feuds and name-calling but I just scroll on through.. from Joes post, it seems that posts hit a high in 2007 and have dropped to nearly half that in the intervening six years, I think that's a significant fall and it doesn't bode well in the long term - hopefully that drop will find a level and stay there rather than continue southward, this forum is so much more interesting than a social network it's an information resource and a seriously good one. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting? From: GUEST,CS Date: 30 Mar 13 - 06:18 AM more interesting than a social network [like Facebook] |
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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting? From: GUEST,Eliza Date: 30 Mar 13 - 06:48 AM Not all the religious topics here have been responded to with a lack of respect. I asked for advice and reaction to a religious matter not too long ago, and many people responded with a lot of wisdom and insight. There wasn't one single nasty post, and I found the advice helpful and supportive. I don't myself get too upset by vicious attack; it's only words on a screen and one has the option of looking at something else, the Net is endless. And I uphold the rights of even the most ghastly Troll to have his/her say. I do draw the line at obscenity and dreadful swear words (so unnecessary) but there's very little of that here. Censorship should IMO only be used in dire circumstances. I've been quite under the weather for a few weeks, and I wonder if others have been too, and not felt up to posting? It's been a wickedly bad winter, and folk are at their last gasp round here in Norfolk. Maybe that might explain a falling-off of contributors? (Temporary I hope!) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting? From: John MacKenzie Date: 30 Mar 13 - 07:18 AM Were you wondering if things are flat all over, Eliza? Not just in Norfolk. ;) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting? From: ranger1 Date: 30 Mar 13 - 07:21 AM JtS: I certainly did mean above the line. And I know of two young people (under 20) who joined and quit because of the nasty way they were treated when they tried to discuss things in the music section. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting? From: Pete Jennings Date: 30 Mar 13 - 07:29 AM Well, a quick check shows that I've been here since November 2001 and I've never felt the need to go anywhere else. What's more, whilst I check in most days, I've only posted 1022 times (well, make that 1023!), so I'm not convinced that the number of posts is a meaningful measure of Mudcat's value, certainly not to me anyway. Obviously some of the crap-flinging is irritating but, hey, once a thread goes bad you can always just ignore it... My tuppence worth. Pete. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting? From: Will Fly Date: 30 Mar 13 - 07:37 AM I occasionally post below the line, but many of the topics just appear to involve two or three people calling each other names, refusing to see each others points of view, never changing their minds and being utterly BORING. If the number of posts of that sort lessens, all to the good, say I. The "Old Pocket Watches" thread is, of course, essential to a life of well-being... There's also occasional shit-stirring above the line, but it's the place to be for those of that have a a love of music. I've been done several kindnesses by 'Catters - tunes traced, instruments lent, etc. And also met some lovely people. That's what Mudcat is about. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting? From: ollaimh Date: 30 Mar 13 - 09:26 AM gee dave I have seen you be on a continuous jag of personal insults against one individual , which were totally unwarranted. gnu, I have seen you mainly post how angry you are and rarely poat anything of knowledge, q I have seen you post things about natives that would have been found in der sturmer(the Nazi magazine), and joe stops any discussion of real Nazis and is an apologist for child rapists. I wonder why people aren't posting? you used to have many educated(often selfeducated--and very well sefl educated) people in folk, now we have the spawn of the neo cons. many seem to have absorbed neo con ideas with no awareness that they are living a contradiction, but most are comfortable joining the ranks of the civilization destroyers. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting? From: Dave the Gnome Date: 30 Mar 13 - 10:02 AM Yes - there certainly is a drop then! Thanks for the research, Joe. I think it is probably a number of factors. Maybe the lack of spelling and grammar could be one of them? Or the racism shown against the English by some folk? Or the lack of cohesive or sensible argument? I think it is probably a combination of all these plus Facebook plus people using their time more carefully. Thanks for the input again. Keep the ideas going :-) Cheers DtG |
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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting? From: Dave the Gnome Date: 30 Mar 13 - 10:05 AM Oh - One thing struck me as I hit submit. There are fewer posts but are there fewer posters? Is it that less people are posting or are there as many or more people posting less often? No probs if there is no easy way of knowing, Joe, but it would be interesting. Well, to us sad nerds anyway :-) Cheers DtG |
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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting? From: Wesley S Date: 30 Mar 13 - 10:52 AM You'll notice that the number of posts dropped dramatically after we agreed on a definition of "folk music". |
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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting? From: katlaughing Date: 30 Mar 13 - 11:48 AM LMAO...good one, Wesley. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting? From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 30 Mar 13 - 11:59 AM Wesley, who is this "we"? I don't agree with anything. (For some who post here (they never have anything to say that has anything to do with music, "folk" or otherwise), your statement could be the start of a nasty exchange, but the sun riz this morning and my mood is better than usual.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting? From: Dave the Gnome Date: 30 Mar 13 - 12:38 PM Yea, Ok, but what's a definition? Is it the traditional one or more contemporary? :D tG |
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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting? From: Jack the Sailor Date: 30 Mar 13 - 01:06 PM You know this thread contains just about everything that is good about the Mudcat, well written opinions, humor, humour, information, and friendship. It will be OK here in BS as long as we can do this. ranger1 what you said about above the line is disturbing. IMHO If it is to remain the resources it has been the new rules Max posted need to be strictly adhered to. I don't know how much effort it would take to bring that about. But letting the music information section devolve into the free for all in BS, is not a viable option. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting? From: GUEST,DDT Date: 30 Mar 13 - 04:38 PM I just lurk now. The only use I have for mudcat is that it has some old threads that are interesting. I have no interest in the new threads. After being attacked for no reason after starting a thread on Art Tatum, I will never again start a topic here. But I do like looking through the old threads. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting? From: John MacKenzie Date: 30 Mar 13 - 04:56 PM Well DDT, this is typical of the closed mind attitude that shows up on Mudcat all too often. Art Tatum isn't to my taste, although I can appreciate his musicianship. However, what happens on here sometimes is the, "You're talking shit" or the "He's crap, and BTW this is a folk music site" etc etc. People are so intolerant, and because of this sites insistence on allowing free speech, whether it makes sense, or not,that alienates people who, don't know that they allow idiots to post on here, unfettered, too. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting? From: Joe Offer Date: 30 Mar 13 - 05:22 PM I haven't figured out a way to determine the number of posters we have. We get about one new member a day, maybe less. I've been processing our membership applications since August 2011. That weeds out duplicate and fraudulent memberships. Let's see....I registered member number 26416 on 17 March 2013, and #26227 on 16 March 2012. That's 189 new members in a year and a day. I've also had a lot of membership applications from existing members who forgot they were registered, so that's a few more back in the fold. I also get a lot of membership requests from people who don't return the membership form I send to them, so I always wonder about them. I suppose I lose track of a membership application now and then, but I sure hope that doesn't happen often. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting? From: Joe Offer Date: 30 Mar 13 - 05:35 PM P.S. to DDT: Mudcat is the main Website I go to for music information. If somebody has something to say about Art Tatum, I want to see it here. Hey, I might learn something. And if I really have reason not to want to know about Art Tatum, then I have the option of not opening the thread. But since Day One, we've had self-appointed censors who want to dictate what appears on Mudcat and what does not. What was the name of our first Mudcat Folk Police Officer? Ah, Elsie was her name. She lasted about five months, February to August 1997. I wonder what happened to her. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting? From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 30 Mar 13 - 07:15 PM Dear JackTheSailor...... Would you please post the link for " the new rules Max " presented. I have skimmed through the past Six weeks .... and I find no new rules from Max. Sincerely, Gargoyle << I always a law abiding citizen....if the popeish, prince of paupers has made a declaration...I need to know. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting? From: Will Fly Date: 30 Mar 13 - 07:31 PM Hey Joe (no, not the POP song), thanks for that "Elsie" link. What gloriously frustrated posts! Shame she isn't around today - it would be great fun to wrassle with her, verbally of course. Looks like "Mr. Sandman" was her Maginot Line - and it's a great tune as well. I'll be playing it as part of our jazz set next Sunday... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting? From: Joe Offer Date: 30 Mar 13 - 07:35 PM The new rules have been on the Membership Page since August, 2011. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting? From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 30 Mar 13 - 07:59 PM Elsie and Mr. Sandman. I haven't heard that song in years, and mention of it brought it back. Now it will be an earworm. Will Fly, stick to watches! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting? From: Jack the Sailor Date: 30 Mar 13 - 08:10 PM Thanks Joe. Garg, Joe told me about the changes. |
