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Subject: BS: New Atheists flirt with Islamophobia From: Jack the Sailor Date: 01 Apr 13 - 04:21 PM More fodder for the Dawkinsites on this forum. If you didn't like the last one, this one with make you explode!! Salon.com, blame them not me! Have at it! Huzzah!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Atheists flirt with Islamophobia From: michaelr Date: 01 Apr 13 - 08:05 PM zzzzz |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Atheists flirt with Islamophobia From: Steve Shaw Date: 01 Apr 13 - 08:19 PM Good grief, wacko Jacko (and yes, simply by posting this awful link, you have fully re-deserved the soubriquet), that is just about the most abysmal, hate-filled spew I've read in a long time. If you believe in a word of that tripe, then you're no Christian (and, believe it or not, I do respect bona fide, honest-to-goodness Christians, and I know that not one of them would have dreamed of posting that). If you have a hole, do us a big favour (and I include those who allegedly share your faith, who must be feeling mortally embarrassed) and crawl into it - and stay there! |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Atheists flirt with Islamophobia From: Jack the Sailor Date: 01 Apr 13 - 10:26 PM Well, Mr. Shaw I didn't realize that you were so sensitive. Its an opinion article on a reputable news site. I didn't post this to anger you Mr. Shaw. I posted it so that you and your atheist evangelistic cadre could attack someone worthy of your zeal. I don't share all of the opinions expressed. But I am not an Islamophobe. If you are an Islamophobe if that is what you are whinging about then that saddens me. If you are upset because the article paints Mr. Dawkin as the hate filled zealot he apparently is then that is your problem. You once said that you did not call me "Jacko" to insult me. I guess that must have been a lie. "I do respect bona fide, honest-to-goodness Christians." Yes you respect them by calling them delusional and telling them what they think and believe. You can keep that kind of respect sir. I won't ask for it. I'm not going to crawl into a hole. I will pray for you. I forgive you for your anger and your personal attacks. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Atheists flirt with Islamophobia From: Amos Date: 02 Apr 13 - 12:46 AM I think this is a storm in a Teacup. The author of the article linked above is a virulent polemicist and, as is normal, accuse others of virulent polemics. The core target of Dawkins, Hitchens and their ilk is the fixation on divine persona as the source of rationalization for human acts of illwill or manipulation. The acts of illwill and/or manipulation stemming from those whop invoke the name of Allah are probably just as many as from those who invoke the name of Jaweh. The core argument is that invoking the anthropomorphic embodiment of an individual apperception of the Infinite is a bogus excuse for doing harm. It doesn't much matter whether this is performed by a Muslim or a Christian or a Hindu--human harm is human harm and no bantering of divine labels is going to lessen it in any degree. In this respect the Dawkins crowd are quite right. But most Christians and honest Muslims and genuine Hindus would probably agree with that perspective as well. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Atheists flirt with Islamophobia From: Joe Offer Date: 02 Apr 13 - 12:52 AM Well, this is a And in general, I think being tolerant is far more important than being right. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Atheists flirt with Islamophobia From: Don Firth Date: 02 Apr 13 - 01:27 AM I've been popping in and out of these threads with only a modicum of interest. I've been in discussions like this many times, got the scars and the T-shirt, and know from experience that nobody here is going to convince anyone else to change their mind. The argument has been raging for centuries, if not millenia, and probably will continue into the foreseeable future and beyond with still no resolution. Rather than waste a lot of time and verbiage, piss each other off, cause a lot of resentment, and lay the groundwork for a lot of snarkiness on future threads on other subjects, I recommend we all take a recess, cool down, and just let the matter drop. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Atheists flirt with Islamophobia From: GUEST,Musket sans cookie Date: 02 Apr 13 - 03:36 AM The more Jack the Sailor writes the more I appreciate what a tiring idiot he really is. Just because he uses big words doesn't make him a big person. This thread just about sums up the paranoia that comes with asserting belief in temporal arenas. Reputable source indeed.... Sorry, forgot. Hello Sailor! |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Atheists flirt with Islamophobia From: Jim Carroll Date: 02 Apr 13 - 04:35 AM The worst examples of Islamophobia I've ever come across are from frothing-at-the- mouth Christians - plenty of examples on this forum - dig up the stomach-heaving 'Muslim Prejudice' (with its "cultural implants" thread) to find it at its worst Seems to be a case of "sorry this pulpit's occupied, find another one". If my memory serves me 'Salon' is the bunch encouraging the hate-induced 'anti-blasphemy' picket of the Colm Tobin play now showing at a New York theatre Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Atheists flirt with Islamophobia From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 02 Apr 13 - 04:59 AM Give it a rest Jim. People of faith, all faiths, stand together against the secularist onslaught of our time. Atheists highlight the perceived failings of religion, so you would not expect them to ignore the issues associated with any one particular religion. They are anti-religion not (just) anti-Islam. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Atheists flirt with Islamophobia From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 02 Apr 13 - 05:52 AM I think I was the only Christian contributing to the Muslim Prejudice thread Jim. I stated clearly and repeatedly that the issue was NOT related to Islam. The worst examples of Islamophobia I've ever come across are from frothing-at-the- mouth Christians NOT. The issue was with a particular ethnic group who happened to be Muslims, while other Muslim communities, including our large Indian Muslim community, were completely uninvolved. The accusation of Islamophobia was and is a lie Jim. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Atheists flirt with Islamophobia From: Stu Date: 02 Apr 13 - 06:59 AM "People of faith, all faiths, stand together against the secularist onslaught of our time." Ah, but our ancestors have had to put up with religious oppression for millennia. It's not a secularist onslaught, it's an attempt to redress a historical imbalance and separate state from any religion, as it should be. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Atheists flirt with Islamophobia From: Jim Carroll Date: 02 Apr 13 - 07:04 AM I'm afraid for a religion that claims to be about love and brotherhood Christians seem to generate much more hate than light Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Atheists flirt with Islamophobia From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 02 Apr 13 - 07:28 AM Christians seem to generate much more hate than light What would be your opinion of someone who expressed the view, "Muslims seem to generate much more hate than light" ? Would that be an OK thing to say Jim? |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Atheists flirt with Islamophobia From: Steve Shaw Date: 02 Apr 13 - 07:36 AM Well I don't see much sign of a "secularist onslaught". I do see a few enlightened individuals who are brave enough to ruffle the cosy feathers of organised religions (who have done all in their power for millennia to silence dissent, often using violent means) gaining a following and showing that it's OK to think for yourself. In any case, if the perceived secularist onslaught serves to divorce daily life, once and for all, from its current obligatory receipt of religious claptrap, then bring it on. I for one would love to see an end to men who wear frocks attacking homosexuals, discriminating against women at every turn, moralising publicly about sex, promoting poverty and ignorance as virtues, pontificating about who should be allowed to marry whom and getting unfettered and free access to the media. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Atheists flirt with Islamophobia From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 02 Apr 13 - 08:52 AM I think I was the only Christian contributing to the Muslim Prejudice thread Sorry Don T. I was forgetting your faith. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Atheists flirt with Islamophobia From: Jim Carroll Date: 02 Apr 13 - 09:15 AM "Muslims seem to generate much more hate than light" ? Whoops - intended to say "fundamentalist" Christians seem to generate more hate than light, as I have said before, many times when I pointed out that virtually all the people we knew and collected from in Ireland were "friendly, welcoming and tolerant of believers of other faiths and no faith at all. Many of my own family are practicing Catholics who don't sexually abuse children or cover up for those who do. Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Atheists flirt with Islamophobia From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 02 Apr 13 - 09:57 AM ""I think I was the only Christian contributing to the Muslim Prejudice thread Jim."" There are those who would take issue with you describing yourself as a Christian. You certainly very rarely sound like one. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Atheists flirt with Islamophobia From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 02 Apr 13 - 10:12 AM ""The issue was with a particular ethnic group who happened to be Muslims, while other Muslim communities, including our large Indian Muslim community, were completely uninvolved. The accusation of Islamophobia was and is a lie Jim."" But, you have no problem at all with the author of this article describing New Atheists (whatever the hell those might be) as Islamophobes because they don't believe in Allah. So Atheists, who don't believe in God, don't believe in Allah either? Well.....DUH! What a f**king surprise, and here's old Keith jumping all over it. Disbelief in something does not equate to hatred. I thought you might have noticed that inconvenient little truth Keith. I don't believe in fairies, but I don't hate them. For me to hate them, they would have to exist!! That's the whole bloody point. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Atheists flirt with Islamophobia From: Stu Date: 02 Apr 13 - 10:20 AM "Disbelief in something does not equate to hatred." Spot on. Reason at last. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Atheists flirt with Islamophobia From: Stringsinger Date: 02 Apr 13 - 10:26 AM I read the article pretty thoroughly and I would question the tenor of it which seems not be interested in discussing the different points by Dawkins, Harris and Hitchens. It is a blanket condemnation which reflects the inability of the author to present a fair appraisal of the so-called "new atheists" which by the way doesn't exist, but is a fabrication by the media to discredit these men. Islamophobia would have to be matched by the terms Christophobia or Judeophobia, the author's obvious epithets thrown at atheists to discredit them. To place Dawkins as a right-wing British reactionary is specious. In short, the article is crap, pure and simple. Why? Because it doesn't generate any understanding of Dawkins', Harris', Hitchens position on anything and condemns them for data, statistics, and science. I'm surprised that Chomsky would have made that comment and I'm not convinced that he really did. Anyone observing a woman wearing a burqua would not have to read the Koran to understand the injustice done to women by that interpretation of religion. Would there be a burqua if it weren't for religion? I don't think so. I could take this article apart piece by piece if I thought it was worth doing so. I think it's just a bad polemic and Christians might pat themselves on the back for the author's intentions but what it really does is offer more division instead of enlightenment. Dawkins is not prickly in my estimation but calm and reasoned with science and humanness to guide him. I don't always agree with Harris when he endorsed the "time bomb" thesis. Chris Hitchens and I would lock horns on many points but he was no stupid person but highly educated and his views are worth hearing at least. I can't say the same for the man who wrote this article. It was vitriolic trash. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Atheists flirt with Islamophobia From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 02 Apr 13 - 10:27 AM ""Sorry Don T. I was forgetting your faith."" I am a Christian only in the sense that I actually try to live my life according to what we are told were Christ's teachings (which of course could be as easily worked out by anybody who wished to be a fully integrated part of any society), but, from what I have seen of militant fundamentalist Christianity, Christ himself would have turned down the invitation to join. Faith, for me will never equate to a "holy" building with a black frocked, or a turbaned celebrant. "IT IS THE WAY I LIVE MY LIFE! I suppose I'm probably closer to the Buddhists than anyone else, except for a belief in God. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Atheists flirt with Islamophobia From: Peter K (Fionn) Date: 02 Apr 13 - 10:39 AM ...being tolerant is far more important than being right. OK, you qualified it, Joe, but that cannot be right? It would mean it is sometimes better to be wrong than right. I'd rather go with Churchill when he switched political allegiance a couple of times: "I'd rather be right than consistent." People of faith, all faiths, stand together... Oh sure, Keith, or was that a stab at irony? As for a "secularist onslaught," Keith, you can surely see that religions have suffered more from each other than from atheism, which has only dared to speak its name relatively lately. Some religions cannot accept any possibility that any other religion could be right, yet adherents to those other religions will sometimes be just as unswervingly certain that it is they who are treading the one true path. Try reasoning with, say, a committed Scientologist, Keith, or even someone brainwashed into the Neochatechumenate cult within Catholicism. You will begin to understand what it is like for me as an atheist trying to reason with a mainstream Christian such as I presume you are yourself. To me, Christianity, Islam, etc are no less pernicious than the obvious extremes. Within religious families, minds are infected from the cradle, and to an extent that goes beyond anything likely to occur in non-believing families. It takes a strong mind to break loose from that kind of brainwashing, so it can be little wonder if we atheists are sometimes overly strident. (I wonder what faith your parents were, Keith? Let me guess....) |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Atheists flirt with Islamophobia From: Stringsinger Date: 02 Apr 13 - 11:48 AM "Islamophobia" is the latest meaningless buzz word which could be applied to any religion, Christophobia, Judeophobia, blah blah blah! Jack, this is the third thread you have about atheism. Is it that you might be one yourself and am in a state of denial about it? |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Atheists flirt with Islamophobia From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 02 Apr 13 - 12:26 PM As posted from another related thread..but Stringsinger posted his remarks on this one as well..so I guess it is applicable here, also. Stringsinger: "Islamophobia is another buzz word used like "terrorist" or "socialist" or "liberal" to demean those who disagree with a certain point of view." Oh!!..I got it!!..You mean like 'bigot', 'racist', 'homophobic', 'hate monger', 'Tea Party radicals', 'Right wing Christian'.... Problem is, this country is being torn apart with this nonsensical rhetoric..and this is by design. Remember, "United we stand, divided we fall"???...so the question you need to be asking yourselves is WHO has the most to 'gain' by dividing us...musicians????..nope....minorities??..nope....spiritually minded people??....nope....how about the back of the curtain controllers??...hmmm...getting warmer....the bankster funded governmental arm of corporations????....getting hotter!..... Then the question goes to 'WHY???'.....is the majority of people IN the corporate/bankster/governmental arm...nope....so it's a minority of wealthy people who control the dialogue....hmmm...getting REAL hot.... do you think that it takes TWO to make the argument???....mm hmmm....like the TWO parties who ARE the governmental arm of the corporate/banksters????...well, who else???.....and all this dialogue is scripted through 'talking points'.....bingo!!!! All those who have been suckered into this crap, raise your hands! Suckers!!! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Atheists flirt with Islamophobia From: Jack the Sailor Date: 02 Apr 13 - 01:15 PM >>> a TWEET from the account of Richard Dawkins Verified account @RichardDawkins @ToddKincannon Haven't read Koran so couldn't quote chapter & verse like I can for Bible. But often say Islam greatest force for evil today<<< Richard Dawkins built his credibility in Atheism by rigorously applying the scientific method. Most Islamophopes in the US have learned long ago to base their attack on some semblance fact or knowledge. Mr. Dawkins confesses his ignorance before he confesses his faith. Not his faith in God. But his faith in the biblical concept of evil. He doesn't say that "the prevalence for domestic violence is 37 % higher (I made that stat up so repeat it at your peril) in self-identified Muslim households. He said. "Islam greatest force for evil." Maybe Mr. Steve Shaw, who has lectured us ad nauseum on the difference between science and faith would care to point out just how unscientific Mr. Dawkins tweet was. When I was an atheist it was because I rigorously applied my scientific training at the time (several pysical science courses and an applied logic course and a lot of recreational reading of journals and magazines) to religious dogma and found it wanting. I became a Christian because I am physically and mentally healthier this way. But if I still were an atheist and Dawkins were one of my heroes, I would be very very disappointed today. This is the kind of broad bigoted self-righteous condescending crap that we in the Americas have grown used to hearing from the likes of Ann Coulter and Pat Robertson, not from a respected scientist. Preachers talk about evil. Scientists talk about scientifically measured outcomes. Has Dawkins become a preacher? |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Atheists flirt with Islamophobia From: Jack the Sailor Date: 02 Apr 13 - 01:18 PM Musket, you have been insulting me for years now. I have been giving it back. I thought it was banter. I am now sorry for that. You are more delicate than I thought. I think you really meant to hurt me with that one. I am sorry. I'll pray for you. I forgive you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Atheists flirt with Islamophobia From: Jack the Sailor Date: 02 Apr 13 - 01:47 PM "Well, this is a third fourth thread on atheism in recent days, and I think all this contentiousness is getting a little tiring." Sorry Joe, But consider this. In my last thread I'd found people on the second page expressing criticisms that were clearly addressed in the article. My thesis from that observation was that many people don't read the initial posts if the thread has a high number of posts. This thread blows that thesis right out of the water. Though you condemn the author as much as any other extremist in your assessment, You are the only person who seems to know what was expressed in the article. I'll give Steve credit for reading it but he was clearly too angry to reply lucidly. (sorry Amos, You did read the authors name but I don't understand the rest of your post but at least I know what all the word mean on their own. ) I found the article newsworthy in that it was the first time I had seen Dawkins called out for his lack of scientific rigor. I expect that his recent decline in integrity spells the beginning of the end for his movement. At least I hope so. Certainly his rancor, his arrogance, his name calling hurts the pro-science movement in this country more than it helps it. We can't fight the pseudo-science of creationism with bigoted outbursts reveling in their own ignorance. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Atheists flirt with Islamophobia From: GUEST,Musket sans cookie Date: 02 Apr 13 - 02:30 PM Banter is banter and would be glad to get back to it. However, you try in these threads to come across as sincere with a stance that is appalling. I rarely try that trick. However, I am sorry but I mean everything I have said. I am not fragile and as someone who tries to see good in people, I find your logic chopping and assertiveness disturbing. I personally don't give a shit. I have enough on in the real world to worry about a cyber discussion. But your leap of logic to say repeatedly that atheism is a system, a threat or a position is not only wrong, but not worthy of the most demeaning cleric. Back to the subject and your latest protestation. You don't have to read the q'ran in order to have a view on the manipulation of Islam any more than you need to look at child porn to have a view on paedophilia. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Atheists flirt with Islamophobia From: Jack the Sailor Date: 02 Apr 13 - 03:37 PM "atheism is a system, a threat or a position is not only wrong, but not worthy of the most demeaning cleric." I have said none of those things. I have posted an article that implied that a certain few atheists, named in the article, are as dogmatic in their Atheism as the Christians they attack. I have also observed that some of the observations in the article remind me of the behavior of certain atheists on this forum. I did not identify those people but a couple seem to have taken the comments personally. My subsequent comments were all directed personally at those who attacked me, NOT at atheists in general. If you thought that you were defending atheists in general by addressing me as "Hey Sailor" a greeting you once implied has something to do with homosexual prostitutes, then following up with other taunts and illogic, it did not come across as that. It came across as you using atheism as a metaphorical club and my Christianity as the poor little blood soaked baby seal. Sorry sir, but as much as you tried you did not beat it out of me. I certainly do not want to banter with you anymore. It is no fun when I think that I might hurt your feelings and awkward when you keep bantering when I have stopped. Let's continue to call it banter shall we? Some have admitted to poking and prodding me but denied insulting me and taunting me. He perhaps sees a difference, I think he needs a thesaurus ;-) But I forgive him for that. I did not apologize for not meaning what I said. I apologized for saying things in a way meant to get under your skin. Again I am sorry for that and I forgive you for the same. I can leave it to God to forgive my tresspasses if you are uncomfortable doing so. That is one psychological benefit of Christianity. A physical benefit is that my eye stops throbbing when I forgive people who have angered me. Musket, as far as I am concerned you and I are good. I have no problem with you. I enjoy your wit and many of your contributions to this forum. You are entitled to express your opinions so you meaning all that you said is not a problem for me. God Bless you sir. Or if you prefer Cheers! |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Atheists flirt with Islamophobia From: Stringsinger Date: 02 Apr 13 - 05:02 PM Jack, I read the entire article and didn't agree with much of it. It seemed like a polemic directed at dissing atheists without any meaningful reason for doing so. I won't make the mistake of not reading any article that you post again. But you'll have to put up with my reasons for disagreeing. In this article, there was no evidence that Dawkins had any lack of scientific rigor. It was pure opinion. His book, "The Greatest Show on Earth" will show you an abundance of scientific rigor. The author attempts to lump Dawkins with Harris and Hitchens together and not even mention Daniel Dennet, a profoundly thoughtful and philosophical atheist. The author also attempts to equate Dawkins with right-wing bigots in England which is not only inaccurate but grossly unfair. Just because I don't happen to agree with your assessment of that article doesn't mean that I didn't read it carefully. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Atheists flirt with Islamophobia From: Peter K (Fionn) Date: 02 Apr 13 - 06:02 PM In my earlier post I completely forgot to get round to what I had intended to be my main point, which was that I have no problem at all with the article that led to this thread. I might quibble with a point here and there, but it's a useful piece, and well-argued. I quite liked it. I don't go all the way with the assault on Dawkins, but to a large extent it expresses my own unease with Dawkins' agitprop style. (I don't have similar concerns about Hitchens, whom I regard as a more effective evangeliser for atheism.) So... thanks for the link. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Atheists flirt with Islamophobia From: Steve Shaw Date: 02 Apr 13 - 06:30 PM Maybe Mr. Steve Shaw, who has lectured us ad nauseum on the difference between science and faith would care to point out just how unscientific Mr. Dawkins tweet was. I don't recall ever lecturing anyone on the difference between science and faith. All I ever say is that I base my convictions on evidence. All the evidence I have ever managed to garner has indicated that religious faith is almost certainly baseless. That isn't good enough to convince me to be a believer. If it's good enough for you, that's great. I respect that, even though you're almost certainly misguided. I respect it as long as you don't try to pass on to impressionable people, children for example, that what is almost certainly false is some kind of great truth. That is what religion does. If that's what you think, that myth is truth, it behoves you from any moral standpoint you care to see it from to keep it private. Failing that, to give it no greater billing or credence than any of the alternatives, including atheism. And I can't comment on what anyone does or says in tweets. I neither understand nor participate in Twitter, Facebook or anything else of that nature. So I can check neither the message, nor, more importantly, knowing you Jack, its context. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Atheists flirt with Islamophobia From: Steve Shaw Date: 02 Apr 13 - 06:39 PM You don't have to read the q'ran in order to have a view on the manipulation of Islam any more than you need to look at child porn to have a view on paedophilia. Absolutely. Though I'm often surprised at the relative richness of my armoury when it comes to being able to refute what certain Christians assert by quoting bits of their own bible at them. One doesn't have to be Pele to have an informed view of football, though I've yet to work out how Musket has come to be so deficient in this area, supporting as he does Sheffield Wednesday. At least both the teams that I've followed boy and man come from the correct side of the Pennines. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Atheists flirt with Islamophobia From: GUEST,Musket sans cookie Date: 02 Apr 13 - 06:54 PM I notice you said correct not right side of the pennines. It's one thing to be religious it's another one to back the right god. Up the Owls! This by the way is relevant. I have stated many times that I cannot understand how people can cling to the metaphysical yet at the same time. . I sincerely know that Sheffield Wednesday are the best team ever. And no argument using mere facts could ever convince me otherwise. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Atheists flirt with Islamophobia From: Steve Shaw Date: 02 Apr 13 - 07:18 PM I said correct side on purpose. A tyke would have said not right side but reet side. I was avoiding confusion. Incidentally, I note that The Owls are having a somewhat edgy season. Would you love a League One Owls a little less, I wonder? I shall remember you and your team in my prayers. After all, they're no threat to either of mine. Go, Stevie boy! |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Atheists flirt with Islamophobia From: Jack the Sailor Date: 02 Apr 13 - 08:01 PM "Just because I don't happen to agree with your assessment of that article doesn't mean that I didn't read it carefully." I don't recall having written an assessment of that article. Would you care to point it out? Are you trying to screw with my head? Do you think it is still April fools? |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Atheists flirt with Islamophobia From: GUEST,Musket sans cookie Date: 03 Apr 13 - 01:34 AM Would I love a league 1 a little less? Ask me last season. Would your beloved 'Pool still draw big crowds if they got there? We averaged 22000 faithful Pilgrims when we were down there. Capacity 38000 ish when slaying infidels. But like I said, it isn't the winning or the other outcome as facts and statistics have no place in discussions regarding faith. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Atheists flirt with Islamophobia From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 03 Apr 13 - 09:09 AM ""I have said none of those things. I have posted an article that implied that a certain few atheists, named in the article, are as dogmatic in their Atheism as the Christians they attack. I have also observed that some of the observations in the article remind me of the behavior of certain atheists on this forum. I did not identify those people but a couple seem to have taken the comments personally."" And Jack, from the polemics of an author with an obvious agenda to stereotype, and two or three perfectly harmless people who dare to disagree with you here, you have built a stereotypical mental model of what constitutes an atheist. Not just wrong, but intellectually lazy to boot! Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Atheists flirt with Islamophobia From: Jack the Sailor Date: 03 Apr 13 - 05:20 PM If you would care to point that out specifically I would be happy to apologize or if required explain. But I assure you I only meant to talk about the small few people mentioned. |
