BS: Dr Andrew Wakefield

Subject: RE: BS: Dr Andrew Wakefield
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 21 Apr 13 - 07:47 AM

Jim Carey is most famous for talking out of his arse.


Julian Assange gave away government property as if it were his own. He made himself a target because of his ego then he did stupid things because of his ego.

Subject: RE: BS: Dr Andrew Wakefield
From: bobad
Date: 21 Apr 13 - 07:55 AM

"Fifty years ago, autism usually meant institutionalisation "

Autism was not recognized as a separate disorder until the early 80s. That is most likely one of the reasons for what appears to be a sharp rise in incidence.

Subject: RE: BS: Dr Andrew Wakefield
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 21 Apr 13 - 11:10 AM

It's rather similar to the incidence of dyslexia. When I began teaching, the word was unknown, but I did come across pupils with typical dyslexic-type reading problems. Much later in my career, we heard about research and findings, whereupon many, many pupils were found to be dyslexic. I don't think the causes of dyslexia have yet been ascertained, and I doubt whether the incidence of it has increased over the years, merely more accurate diagnosis. I did know two children in my local area (when I was a child myself) who in hindsight appeared to be severely autistic. They both went to a special 'unit' each day, but lived at home and we often saw them outside with their parents, (two different families.) Of course, the triple vaccine was unknown then, so it could not have caused these two to be affected.

Subject: RE: BS: Dr Andrew Wakefield
From: Acorn4
Date: 21 Apr 13 - 11:17 AM

No, that's true, Eliza, but I don't think anyone has stated that MMR is the ONLY cause of autism - it's a set of behaviours caused by brain damage, which could be due to a number of things.

Subject: RE: BS: Dr Andrew Wakefield
From: bobad
Date: 21 Apr 13 - 11:27 AM

"I don't think anyone has stated that MMR is the ONLY cause of autism"

There was one person who stated that MMR vaccine was the cause of autism and he has been exposed as a fraud. Despite all the follow up research no link between MMR and autism has been established.

Subject: RE: BS: Dr Andrew Wakefield
From: GUEST,Musket sans cookie
Date: 21 Apr 13 - 12:36 PM

I thought the dizzy conspiracy theorist said she was going to stop posting on Mudcat?

Subject: RE: BS: Dr Andrew Wakefield
From: Acorn4
Date: 21 Apr 13 - 12:45 PM

Conspiracy theories are sometimes proved correct - Hillsborough, Bloody Sunday, Jimmy Saville, phone hacking, horsemeat...

Subject: RE: BS: Dr Andrew Wakefield
From: Acorn4
Date: 21 Apr 13 - 12:46 PM

...oh, and not to forget Watergate of course!

Subject: RE: BS: Dr Andrew Wakefield
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 21 Apr 13 - 01:13 PM

Watergate was not a conspiracy theory, it was an actual conspiracy.

You can tell one from the other by the quality of the evidence presented.

Subject: RE: BS: Dr Andrew Wakefield
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 Apr 13 - 01:46 PM

I was wondering how long it would take for Saint Liz to spring out of the woodwork to disseminate her usual half-truths, utter nonsense and wishful thinking on this issue.

I'm a bit disappointed that it took her over 72 hours. She must be devoting much more time to eliminating all the world's evils via FarceBook these days.

I was heartened, however, to see that she's sticking to the same line of bullshit she always has, and thus gets points for consistency.

Subject: RE: BS: Dr Andrew Wakefield
From: Acorn4
Date: 21 Apr 13 - 02:20 PM

So is it half-truths and utter nonsense for Lizzie to describe what happened to her own son or the lady at the check-out?

Subject: RE: BS: Dr Andrew Wakefield
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 Apr 13 - 04:48 PM

You're not serious, Acorn? Or is it you just can't read?

Subject: RE: BS: Dr Andrew Wakefield
From: GUEST,Jack Sprocket
Date: 21 Apr 13 - 05:44 PM

"Autism was not recognized as a separate disorder until the early 80s."

bobad: You'rr confusing autism (named in 1910: a dread secret in my youth) with Asperger's Syndrome, which most of us (or at least me) are part of.

Ms Cornish: I don't know what to say about you, apart from that you're a born romancer.

Subject: RE: BS: Dr Andrew Wakefield
From: Fossil
Date: 21 Apr 13 - 05:44 PM

Lizzie, not in any way putting down your own experiences, but you have to remember the medical statisticians mantra: "... a sample of one proves NOTHING!". That's why medical journals (usually) require high standards of proof, statistically validated, before they will accept articles.

Individual cases can be reported, but with the strong qualification that they are just that, observations, not proof.

Subject: RE: BS: Dr Andrew Wakefield
From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish
Date: 21 Apr 13 - 05:53 PM

Ah well, according to some folks on here, I know nothing about Autism, nor do I have ANY right whatsoever to talk about it. I know a vast amount about it and I can pretty much tell you in an instant those who have it too, no matter what part of the Circle they're on..I know because it's in my family and in those of my friends too...

However, The Suppression Goblins will be out shortly....

I'm busy organzing a petition to bring in a new law, actually, Greg, to stop people from being named when any Tom, Dick or Harriet decides to hurl accusations at them decades down the line, such as Rolf Harris is enduring at present. It's tearing him apart and it's so wrong that those who make these accusations are given total anonymity whilst those who are so often innocent, are sent to hell, through no fault of their own...

As to Dr. Wakefield, they did a Curtains Job on him. You mess with The Big Boys, you pay the price...

Michael Jackson did it too.....and look where he ended up....

Autism is CONTINUING to increase rapidly...and that is NOT due to more and more cases being diagnosed, it's simply due to More And More CASES!

THREE OUT OF FOUR GRANDCHILDREN IS NOT NORMAL!

And if you don't believe me, you can speak to the lady yourself, for she works in M&S in Torquay, food department, don't know her name, but just ask for the lady with 3 out of 4 grandchildren who have autism, and you'll find her...

Jim Carey was the partner of a woman whose son has autism...He did much Raising Awareness with her and you'll find them both on Youtube. They are no longer together..I'd find it for you, but hey, as most of you think I talk out my arse, YOU find it yourselves..

Subject: RE: BS: Dr Andrew Wakefield
From: GUEST,Jack Sprocket
Date: 21 Apr 13 - 06:01 PM

"as most of you think I talk out my arse"

No, Lizzie, we don't think you're that good.

Subject: RE: BS: Dr Andrew Wakefield
From: GUEST,Musket sans reality check
Date: 21 Apr 13 - 06:01 PM

I wonder how they got their rocks off before the Internet?

Subject: RE: BS: Dr Andrew Wakefield
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 Apr 13 - 06:45 PM

Liz, do you really believe the absolute rubbish you spout? What have Rolf Harris' perversions got to do with autism - or is he just your latest ridiculous campaign? Have you set up a FarceBook page? What do you use for your instant Autism diagnosis program? Tea leaves? Tarot Cards? You can believe supermarket women instead of physicians and scientists if you want to- I'll pass.

Should you wish people to think you know what you're talking about that last postng is pretty counterproductive, Liz.

Subject: RE: BS: Dr Andrew Wakefield
From: Acorn4
Date: 21 Apr 13 - 07:36 PM

I'm wondering how many of the posters on here have actually listened to the Youtube video put up at the beginning.

Basically we are getting hysterical about a possible epidemic of measles, yet ignoring a real epidemic of autism.

Subject: RE: BS: Dr Andrew Wakefield
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 Apr 13 - 09:21 PM

There IS no "real epidemic of autism". So its easily ignored.

Subject: RE: BS: Dr Andrew Wakefield
From: GUEST,Johnny J.
Date: 22 Apr 13 - 01:51 PM

Sometimes people do themselves no favours. As I said on another thread, this is, Liz, a route you shouldn't go down. Leave it out.