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Subject: Got any modern traditional... From: Frankie Date: 06 Nov 99 - 09:54 AM I'm thinking of songs written in the last 20 years or so but sound like they could have emanated a long time ago, centuries maybe.Something like Dave Alvins' "King of California" whose melody and lyrics sound vintage 1850. Has anyone got any others? Frankie Nottryingtostartabdebateonthedefinitionofolksongs Stein |
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Subject: RE: Got any modern traditional... From: catspaw49 Date: 06 Nov 99 - 10:09 AM Thanks Frankie....I, for one, appreciate what you're saying and not wanting to start a debate!!! I think a lot of things have come out in the last twenty or thirty years that sound quite "folkie" or traditional. It seems to me that some people have a greater talent for this kind of thing and I'd guess its because they are rooted in that "sound" to begin with. The most obvious one that I think does it best is Jay Ungar. Not only "Ashoken Farewell," but most eveything he writes tends to sound as though it came from another time. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: Got any modern traditional... From: Bill D Date: 06 Nov 99 - 10:33 AM do a database search on "Craig Johnson" ...(and not nearly all of his stuff is in there) |
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Subject: RE: Got any modern traditional... From: bbelle Date: 06 Nov 99 - 10:38 AM I would have to second the Jay Ungar vote. I've just recently discovered his music and it does sound like it was written a hundred years ago. If you're interested in groups, there are some wonderful tunes by The Rankins, a Canadian group. Both "Collections" and "Uprooted" are wonderful ... moonchild |
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Subject: RE: Got any modern traditional... From: selby Date: 06 Nov 99 - 12:58 PM Keith Marsden wrote a song caled Bring us a Barrel and by nany was thought to be traditional.I have also seen the Green Fields of France introduced as a song written by a soldier in the First World War as a protest to the futility of war, the second half is certanily true but it was written as we all know by Eric Bogle. Keith |
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Subject: RE: Got any modern traditional... From: Metchosin Date: 06 Nov 99 - 01:21 PM Some of Richard Thompson's stuff sounds as if it could have been written a hundred years ago as well. Two that come to mind are When I Get to the Border and The Little Beggar Girl. |
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Subject: RE: Got any modern traditional... From: Micca Date: 06 Nov 99 - 01:29 PM While on the Richard Thompson, what about "And We'll sing Hallelujah" |
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Subject: RE: Got any modern traditional... From: Date: 06 Nov 99 - 01:40 PM Actualy Jay Ungar is realy quoting Turloch O'Carolan in most of his output. If you like Ungar you'll love O'Carolan, the source. |
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Subject: RE: Got any modern traditional... From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 06 Nov 99 - 02:47 PM I think that Anonymous may be be being just a wee bit simplistic there. O'Carolan was himself, after all, heavily influenced by the fashionable Italian composers of his day. Jay Ungar is doing a lot more than just "quoting" from one influence (of many)! Back to the topic, though; another Thompson song: The Poor Ditching Boy -one of my all-time favourites... Malcolm |
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Subject: RE: Got any modern traditional... From: Rick Fielding Date: 06 Nov 99 - 03:20 PM Bob Coltman is my favourite. I just recorded his "Patrick Spencer". Rick |
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Subject: RE: Got any modern traditional... From: catspaw49 Date: 06 Nov 99 - 04:03 PM Your recorded version is really nice Rick....... Geezis, I hate to have to blow such smoke up your ass! But ya' know...That is a really great album, very well balanced, and shows a lot of you. That's not something you see much of nowadays. Spaw - ...and anon......aw, forget it. |
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Subject: RE: Got any modern traditional... From: John of the Hill Date: 06 Nov 99 - 05:24 PM Not wanting to start a different debate, for English speaking Europeans, try Archie Fisher and Andy M. Stewart. In Appalachian tradition, try Gillian Welch. Also keep an eye out for sampler albums they are an economical way to cast a wide net. John |
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Subject: RE: Got any modern traditional... From: Barry Finn Date: 06 Nov 99 - 05:50 PM In 1976 Martin Craebe wrote "Jack -In-The-Green" (close to the version that's in the DT). I know many believe it to be old & some ancient (me being one of those until Sandy Paton made mentioned of Martin). I don't know if the music's in the DT but the written music & original words are here at Martin' site. Barry |
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Subject: RE: Got any modern traditional... From: Bugsy Date: 06 Nov 99 - 08:16 PM Most of Jez Lowe's Work falls into the catagory you are looking for. In fact Jez tells a story about guesting at a folk club and singing Durham Jail. Afterwards someone argued that Jez hadn't written the song, and that it was in fact original. Cheers Bugsy |
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Subject: RE: Got any modern traditional... From: John of the Hill Date: 06 Nov 99 - 08:24 PM Speaking of Jez Lowe and traditional music, I like his lines from "Had Away, Gan On: And if I'd have learned the songs I should/ I'd sing you Blaydon Races/ But all I know are Dylan songs/ And that single from Oasis." A very impressive songwriter. John |
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Subject: RE: Got any modern traditional... From: Date: 06 Nov 99 - 10:05 PM Just so I dont't sound like I'm off key here, Jay admits if he never heard the Cheiftans or O'Carolan's work he COULD NOT have written the famous piece as it is. So thar. Actualy he one of the very few Violinists who can play O'Carolan well and I have two hours of him on tape doing just that ! Go figure. BTW he is not the only one 'quoting' Joyce etc there's a whole bunch of people doing it these days. The 'Archivists' only got a small smattering of the great works of the Harpers and they admit it too. You cannot dismiss O'Carolan as a copyist of Italian music since he was even more influenced by the Masters where he learned his craft! These folk carried a tradition just like some other traditions out there. Folk traditions take a long time to evolve. Booo |
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Subject: RE: Got any modern traditional... From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 06 Nov 99 - 10:42 PM Anonymous: Wouldn't dream of dismissing Carolan as a mere copyist. You appeared to be dismissing Jay Ungar as a copyist, so I thought it worth mentioning that even the people you think are "sources" were themselves influenced by others. Like everybody else. That's all. Malcolm |
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Subject: RE: Got any modern traditional... From: Ana Date: 06 Nov 99 - 11:53 PM On the Richard Thompson theme - many of Fairport Conventions songs would fit your request. Also, check a Sandy Denny lyrics site, for same. Sorry - haven't figured out the blue clicky things for a link. The Watersons have also produced some contemporary "old" songs - I know they have a web page too. |
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Subject: RE: Got any modern traditional... From: Frankie Date: 07 Nov 99 - 08:26 AM Thanks for the suggestions all. I love singing fairly recent songs that transport me (and hopefully others) to another time and place and provoke questions like "Didn't the Kingston Trio do that on the Tom Dooley album?". Norman Blake's also good at writing "period pieces".Then there's Marty Robbins' "Big Iron" and "El Paso". Now I got to go dig some of this stuff up. Anyone else got anything? Frankie |
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Subject: RE: Got any modern traditional... From: Stewie Date: 07 Nov 99 - 11:16 AM Here's a baker's dozen for you (some are older than 20 years though):
Bruce 'Utah' Phillips 'Rock, Salt and Nails' Cheers, Stewie.
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Subject: RE: Got any modern traditional... From: wildlone Date: 07 Nov 99 - 12:07 PM Dave Goulder January Man Ewan mc'Coll "lots" John Connelly?Bill Meek Fiddlers Green |
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Subject: RE: Got any modern traditional... From: AndyG Date: 08 Nov 99 - 07:45 AM Er... ?
John Tams
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Subject: RE: Got any modern traditional... From: Art Thieme Date: 08 Nov 99 - 10:49 AM The song that kicks off ED TRICKETT's new CD called ECHO ON THE EVENING TIDE is Dan McMcCrimmon's "Broken Hand"---about the 1820s mountain man Thomas Fitzpatrick. SKIP GORMAN's fine ballad of the West, "The Emigrant's Lament For Oregon" on his fine Rounder CD called A GREENER PRAIRIE. Both of these are modern classic songs that sound like they have ages of Spanish moss hanging from them. Of course, STEVE GILLETT and TOM CAMPBELL's song "Darcy Farrow". Art Thieme |
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Subject: RE: Got any modern traditional... From: Jacob Bloom Date: 08 Nov 99 - 11:10 AM I can't resist mentioning "The Battle Of New Orleans". It might be 40 years old instead of 20, but it's hard to convince people that it's not from befoe 1850. |
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Subject: RE: Got any modern traditional... From: Barry Finn Date: 08 Nov 99 - 02:18 PM Hi Jacob, This is the first time I've seen you here, welcome. Is this the same Jacob from the Cambridge/Boston area, Morris Man, singer & hell of a story teller of many, many years? If so, many, many welcomes to you. Barry |
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Subject: RE: Got any modern traditional... From: Fortunato Date: 08 Nov 99 - 03:18 PM Steve Gillete's "Darcy Farrow" comes to mind. |
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Subject: RE: Got any modern traditional... From: Dave Swan Date: 08 Nov 99 - 03:34 PM Barrie Temple's work of this nature can be found on Tomorrow's Tide, recorded by Salt of the Earth. In some cases the words are traditional and the tune Barrie's, in others it's all his. On this album you'll also find Jez Lowe and trad. credited. I heard Salt of the Earth a few weeks ago at the Castle Folk Club in San Francisco and was knocked out. Don't miss them if they come your way. Cheers, Dave |
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Subject: RE: Got any modern traditional... From: kendall Date: 08 Nov 99 - 03:42 PM THE MARTIN GRIEGH by Taylor Whiteside |
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Subject: RE: Got any modern traditional... From: Jacob Bloom Date: 08 Nov 99 - 06:20 PM Hi Barry, Yep, it's the same Jacob, and I'm still calling dances and telling stories. I'll put more details into the New Mudcatters thread, where they'll be more appropriate. Thanks for the welcomes! |
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