BS: Why was this thread closed?

Subject: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 06 May 13 - 12:22 PM

re: Subject: RE: BS: Free Speech- Just say the right things.


It seems that whenever the liberals here show their true stripes the thread is conveniently closed so they will not look as bad as they post.

One has to wonder about posters and elves that

1. Attack the poster rather than discuss the thread topic

2. Refuse to acknowledge that any opinion they disagree with could actually be held by someone else.

3. Have no interest in freedom of speech issues unless THEY are being prevented from speaking whatever they want.

Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 06 May 13 - 12:55 PM

"The right things"

The right things seem to include a lot of threads, that I (if I was Mudcat dictator) would close or erase. Examples:

Militant atheism has become a religion
Is Obama a Fascist
PE stops you (whatever)
Obama's sequester = murder
Anything by Olliamh or Songwronger

Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 06 May 13 - 12:58 PM

Well I for one, am pissing myself laughing. That a thread with Free Speech in the title has been closed.
Just about par for the course I reckon.

Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 06 May 13 - 01:04 PM

And I, too, could come up with a list that "should" be closed- but many would disagree,

It seems fair game to attack the minority here. AND close threads that MIGHT end up with less than a Liberal "Victory".


I would agree to not allow ANY threads on political issues by Songwronger *IF* you agree to not allow any political thread by Bobert. Fair enough??

Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 06 May 13 - 01:11 PM

False equivalence.
Not even close.

Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 May 13 - 01:15 PM

There are a lot of trolls and there is a lot of troll-like behavior going on when political threads are started just to start a new argument or keep an old one running. BeardedBruce, you're an expert at that. Are you surprised if occasionally some of the worst of them are closed? Really?

Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 06 May 13 - 01:18 PM

SRS,

YOU have stated that you are unwilling to even look at any site that does not apriori agree with what you want to believe.

You are an expert at attacking people, rather than discussing the topic.


Are you really surprised that I give your statements all the consideration they are worth- NONE?

Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: Don Firth
Date: 06 May 13 - 01:21 PM

One can practice free speech without being rude and offensive about it. According to my observations, it's the blatant rudeness that gets a post deleted, and sometimes gets the thread closed or removed.

Mudcat, especially in the BS threads, has become a much less attractive place these days--and the nastiness seems to be bleeding over into the music threads.

I know a few people, good folk musicians who have been around for awhile and have a lot of knowledge and experience to contribute, who no longer come around because the place has become too rude and hostile.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: The Sandman
Date: 06 May 13 - 01:22 PM

i have never met SRS, but i like her on line persona

Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 06 May 13 - 01:24 PM

Guest TIA,

Why? Can you explain why someone who says "All liberals are X" is wrong, but someone who say "all conservatives are Y" is right, when BOTH statements are false?

Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 06 May 13 - 01:26 PM

Don Firth,

"One can practice free speech without being rude and offensive about it. According to my observations, it's the blatant rudeness that gets a post deleted, and sometimes gets the thread closed or removed."

So, when the liberals post insults on a thread, they remain posted, and NO_ONE criticizes, but if someone states that fact the thread is closed????

Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: Don Firth
Date: 06 May 13 - 01:28 PM

Beardedbruce, your answer to SRS just above is a perfect example of what I am talking about. I know SRS, and she is a very intelligent and together person, and does not engage in the kind of behavior you are accusing her of.

If you wonder why posts are removed and threads closed, you might look at your own confrontational style.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: akenaton
Date: 06 May 13 - 01:32 PM

Well...I dont know why Songwronger upsets so many here, he comes up with a lot of interesting ideas...well worth discussing.

OK he seems to dislike Mr Obama...or what Mr Obama stands for, but most of you people hated Mr Bush with a passion I've read many worse insults about Mr Bush or Mrs palin, than anything Songwronger has said about Mr Obama.

I think there is something in what BB says, that insults are fine as long as we are insulting all things conservative.
I've been a socialist all my life, but that would never blind me to the many good things in social conservatism.

Maybe all the radicals and conservatives should leave and leave you all to talk about knitting or somesuch?

Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 06 May 13 - 01:33 PM

SRS "does not engage in the kind of behavior you are accusing her of."

I have to disagree with you- She has, and continues to do so. YOUR not being the target she has attacked does not mean that she does not do so- just that you either overlook or choose to ignore her attacks.

Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: akenaton
Date: 06 May 13 - 01:36 PM

SRS is no angel, I've had some crackers from her when she is cornered.

Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 06 May 13 - 01:40 PM

Don Firth,

If you read the thread I refer to in the OP you might have to think about the posters here that represent the liberal viewpoint- and perhaps be as willing to criticize their posts as you are to tell me that my posting straightforward news articles about topics some here would rather not consider is "confrontational"

When I am attack, I fight back- nothing more.

Talk to those who jump in and attack me FIRST before you talk about "perfect examples"

Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 06 May 13 - 01:41 PM

"When I am attacked"

Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 06 May 13 - 01:52 PM

"I have to disagree with you- She has, and continues to do so. YOUR not being the target she has attacked does not mean that she does not do so- just that you either overlook or choose to ignore her attacks."

YOU'RE

Tee hee

Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: The Sandman
Date: 06 May 13 - 01:53 PM

if you do not mind me criticising it is criticise not criticize, English is the mother tongue stop bastardising it, criticize is an american corruption and is not the correct spelling

Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 06 May 13 - 01:59 PM

Sorry, GSS- I am an American.

John,

Actually, should it not have been "YOU"?

Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: Ebbie
Date: 06 May 13 - 02:02 PM

lol John MacKenzie, Bearded Bruce's 'Your' is correct in the context. I believe he was not saying 'You are not being the target...'.

Does anyone wonder at the state of the world when we have such a microcosm right here? We humans are a strange lot.

Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: ranger1
Date: 06 May 13 - 02:15 PM

Why can't we all just play nice in the sandbox, people? I like most of you that I have met. I'm just sick and tired of all the sniping, nastiness, and horse manure being slung by everyone. I lurk more than I post these days, and this is why.

So, in case anyone missed what I was saying: CAN'T EVERYONE JUST FREAKING TRY TO GET ALONG FOR A CHANGE?!

Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: Megan L
Date: 06 May 13 - 02:18 PM

"Oh were some power the gift tae gie us
Tae see oorsels as ithers see us
It wad frae mony a blunder free us
And foolish notion."

Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 06 May 13 - 02:20 PM

ranger1,

When people play nice with me, I play nice with them.

When they kick sand in my face, I call them names that describe what they are acting like.

When they keep kicking sand, I have learned that the rest of you won't do anything about them, but complain about me.

Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 06 May 13 - 02:28 PM

Bruce, you are confrontational. You post contentious material, and then express resentment when people contend. Accept that other folks don't share your right wing viewpoint, and try countering their argument with a reasoned response, even when they are unreasonable. It puts you in the driving seat!
Black and white are not the only colours, and there are more than 50 Shades of Grey ;)

Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 06 May 13 - 02:37 PM

John

Have you looked at the thread that was closed? Reasonable responses were tried, and the thread was still closed.

Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 06 May 13 - 02:39 PM

Can't comment, read your first post, and didn't open it again.

Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: gnu
Date: 06 May 13 - 02:40 PM

John... yup. There is a whole aisle of colours and shades at Shoppers Drugmart just fer hair. Even got stuff fer men! I was thinkin about gettin some a that there Grayshun Formula but I can't find anyone willin ta go halves with me.

Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: ranger1
Date: 06 May 13 - 02:42 PM

Bruce, my remark was aimed at pretty much everyone, so don't get in a snit with me. Especially since I have defended you on at least one occasion.

Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 06 May 13 - 02:44 PM

There are at least two things that the right do not understand. First their entire ethos is to enable the oppression of the disadvantaged by the advantaged. It is morally objectionable.

Second, they do not seem to know what the word "liberal" means.

Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 06 May 13 - 02:49 PM

"From: John MacKenzie - PM
Date: 06 May 13 - 02:28 PM

Bruce, you are confrontational. You post contentious material, and then express resentment when people contend. Accept that other folks don't share your right wing viewpoint, and try countering their argument with a reasoned response, even when they are unreasonable...


From: John MacKenzie - PM
Date: 06 May 13 - 02:39 PM

Can't comment, read your first post, and didn't open it again."





It looks like you DID comment, without reading the thread in question.



" then express resentment when people contend."

I express resentment WHEN I AM PERSONALLY ATTACKED, not when people contend with the topic of discussion.



If THIS is too contentious to discuss, we should just let SRS tell ALL of us what to think.

"The article entitled, "A President for Everyone, Except Black People," was published on April 14th and respectfully criticized the lack of African-American appointees in President Barack Obama 's cabinet and challenged the lack of policies specifically designed to reduce poverty. On April 15 and April 16, coincidentally the 50th Anniversary of Dr. King's "Letter from Birmingham Jail," Wilson contacted Johnson and encouraged him to resign as the speaker, a suggestion Johnson refused. Wilson then proposed that Johnson agree to be one of three speakers for the event. Johnson refused this offer as well on the grounds that it was a departure from the college's tradition of having one baccalaureate speaker, and all initial representations made to him. Accentuating the principle of free speech, Johnson said, "I have always been and continue to be a supporter of President Obama. The issue is not about the article in question, but about Morehouse's longstanding history and pedagogy of free thought and free speech. Without free thought and free speech, Morehouse would not have produced our most admired alumnus, the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr."
"

Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 06 May 13 - 02:55 PM

Ranger1,

I was stating what I have been posting.

When I try to get along, I am told to shut up, and I am attacked by several consistent stalkers, and see NO ONE ever asking THEM to stop.

The Elves have on several occasions interfered, ALWAYS to defend those attacking me, by removing my posts defending my statements, or by closing threads to prevent my replies.

The attacks ON me are NOT removed, and look as if I have never disputed what they say.

Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 06 May 13 - 03:28 PM

Why was this thread closed?..Because Mudcat is primarily a left wing site, that caters to folk, bluegrass, and Traditional music....and if there is one thing that the left hates, is FACTS that don't support their political positions. When they run out of talking points, because talking points only cover the surface of topics, they resort to calling names and distractions, from being proved inaccurate.
As for me, you shove...I'll shove back...but at least I try to keep it satirical and facetious.....but alas, lefties don't seem to enjoy a healthy sense of humor......too much of their identity is laced around their (often faulty) political perspectives, which comes directly down from corporate media!....(then they criticize corporations...but promote their propaganda!)..go figure!


GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: gnu
Date: 06 May 13 - 03:56 PM

Bullshit. This is the most "free speech" site on the nut. FULL stop. Anyone who says otherwise has the freedom to leave. Don't let the door hit you in the arse on the way out.

Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 06 May 13 - 04:01 PM

Yes Bruce, and if you had never started a confrontational thread before, I might have opened it again, but you have form, my friend.

Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 06 May 13 - 04:04 PM

So, you judge facts by who is showing them to you, rather than on their validity?

Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: Megan L
Date: 06 May 13 - 04:29 PM

I remember someone once telling me "When I say it it is fact when you say it it is opinion unless you repeat what I say."

Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: gnu
Date: 06 May 13 - 04:40 PM

Surely the proof of the fact is in the eating?

Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 06 May 13 - 04:59 PM

Does this say it all, or does this say it all?

gnu: "Bullshit. This is the most "free speech" site on the nut. FULL stop. Anyone who says otherwise has the freedom to leave. Don't let the door hit you in the arse on the way out."

In other words, this is a free speech site, anyone who doesn't agree what we think is free speech, should shut up and leave...after all this IS a free speech site!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: Bill D
Date: 06 May 13 - 05:50 PM

As was stated clearly several years ago, when The Shambles was starting dozens of threads about English laws, and complaining about 'censorship' when some were closed, edited or combined:

"This is a private site in which a wide range of opinions and ways of expressing them are tolerated. It is NOT a place for unlimited name-calling and personal attacks. And no particular member gets to decide what counts as an over-the-line personal attack."

That paragraph could be expanded and nit-picked to death, and certain folk would STILL wish to define any criticism of **their** expressions and opinions as 'personal attacks'. It-dont-work-that-way.

There is a psychological mind-set known as "righteous indignation" in which a person decides that they are 'right', and thus anything they do, say or post in defense of that position is justified.... and they become experts at twisting and restating and ignoring the remarks of others to advance one agenda.

Now.. note that I made no reference to either side above. I do have my opinions, but I am trying not to provide any specific targets. Just DO stop & think and look at your own manner of posting.

Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 May 13 - 05:55 PM

Obviously, Beardy, it was closed because the whole world is out to get you. Probably because you're Jewish.

I thought you knew that.

Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: gnu
Date: 06 May 13 - 06:06 PM

GFS... Max will let you say anything. EXCEPT personal attacks... and posting inane trolling meant to cause nasty discussing which, WHEN it leads to nastiness, gets closed.

Been that way since inception.

And, yeah, please leave. I'll hold the door open for you if yer nasty.

Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: MartinRyan
Date: 06 May 13 - 06:18 PM

Bullshit. This is the most "free speech" site on the nut

Wonderful! You couldn't make it up...

Regards

Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: The Sandman
Date: 06 May 13 - 06:26 PM

i do not care if you are american , please speak the ENGLISH language properly.

Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: Bill D
Date: 06 May 13 - 06:54 PM

?? What is this sudden concern for 'proper' English when even many in the UK don't agree on proper? We in the USA have have a dozen influences on our language in 300 years, and WE don't agree. It is not a crucial issue.

Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: Don Firth
Date: 06 May 13 - 07:12 PM

American English is primarily from England, as were many of the original settlers. But America has a fairly heavy admixture of French and Spanish, along with a whole stew of other languages brought here by immigrants from many countries.

English is a living language. Spellings, pronunciation, and rules of grammar are subject to variation—and growth.

The English language in England is a rich stew of languages from all over Europe and has changed a great deal over the centuries. Otherwise, you folks over there would all be speaking Anglo-Frisian.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: Elmore
Date: 06 May 13 - 07:17 PM

GSS: Please capitalize "American" in the future.

Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 06 May 13 - 07:23 PM

OXFORD ENGLISH DICTIONARY

"Criticize Also -ise." ......

G. S. Schweik obviously knows little about "proper" English and his comments should be edited before they are posted in a literate discussion site such as Mudcat.

Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: kendall
Date: 06 May 13 - 07:25 PM

Actually, Max does allow personal attacks these days. I have been called a liar and a fool, but not by anyone whose opinion I respect.

It's hard to insult me because I am so forgiving and loveable.I am the epitome of the well balanced Liberal.
ROTFLMAO! (Proper spelling, Arse,)

Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 06 May 13 - 07:29 PM

"RONFLMAO!" Certainly not proper English. "....should be edited before they are posted....."

Today is my day to be nasty. Harumpfff!