BS: Senator Cruz - Ban Illegal Immigrants

Subject: BS: Senator Cruz - Ban Illegal Immigrants
From: Songwronger
Date: 08 May 13 - 10:40 PM

Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, a newly elected Republican with a penchant for making headlines, filed an amendment that would bar undocumented immigrants currently living in the United States from ever earning citizenship.

There are an estimated 11 million people living in the country illegally, and a bipartisan immigration reform measure would create a pathway to citizenship over the course of 13 years by requiring those people to pay penalties and back taxes, as well as learn English. Conservatives opposed to reform decry the path as amnesty, but Democrats say they will not support reform that does not cope with the immigrants already living in the U.S.

Cruz also filed amendments that he says would "strengthen border security measures; reform the high-skilled temporary worker program; modernize, streamline and expand legal immigration; and prohibit federal, state or local entitlement benefits for those here illegally."

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3017127/posts

Most illegals in the U.S. are Hispanic. It will be hard to call "racism" on this one because Cruz is a Hispanic name.

Immigration is a good indicator of a country's health, and the U.S. is fortunate that so many want to come here. But there must be limits. Cruz' stance looks like an exact opposite to the Democrats' stance of wanting to legalize everybody. The balancing point should be somewhere in the middle, which will be good for the country.

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Cruz - Ban Illegal Immigrants
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 08 May 13 - 10:48 PM

Hello Knut.

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Cruz - Ban Illegal Immigrants
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 08 May 13 - 11:23 PM

"Immigration is a good indicator of a country's health, and the U.S. is fortunate that so many want to come here. But there must be limits. Cruz' stance looks like an exact opposite to the Democrats' stance of wanting to legalize everybody. The balancing point should be somewhere in the middle, which will be good for the country."

Can I hear an "AMEN!"?

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Cruz - Ban Illegal Immigrants
From: Songwronger
Date: 09 May 13 - 12:11 AM

No, there will be no other amens for that one. Because I don't agree 100% with the liberal fascists here, I've been branded a right-winger and a reactionary. Truth is I'm a moderate. But that's how I feel about immigration.

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Cruz - Ban Illegal Immigrants
From: Ebbie
Date: 09 May 13 - 12:51 AM

Has anyone been listening the last couple of days to the discussed question as to whether immigrant-to-citizen-or-at-least-green-card is ultimately a benefit to or a drag on the American economy? Look it up- the figures are interesting.

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Cruz - Ban Illegal Immigrants
From: Rapparee
Date: 09 May 13 - 09:05 AM

I think they oughta send all them immigrants back to where they came from! Including the Indians! Send 'em all back! America - Love It And Leave It!

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Cruz - Ban Illegal Immigrants
From: artbrooks
Date: 09 May 13 - 09:15 AM

Well, the OP has mischaracterized the Democrats' position as " wanting to legalize everybody". The initial, proposed, unamended bill doesn't apply to anyone who arrived in the US after 12/31/11 or to anyone with a criminal record. What the final bill will look like after the Senate has chopped it up, the House has done its thing, and there is a compromise bill agreed to (or not) is anyone's guess. Overall, just as the OP says, what we end up with (if anything) will be something in the middle; that is the nature of the legislative process.

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Cruz - Ban Illegal Immigrants
From: Bill D
Date: 09 May 13 - 11:39 AM

Anything Ted Cruz says must be taken with a grain of salt.. I don't believe in reincarnation, but if I did, I'd suspect that Joe McCarthy is back among us. (He even looks like ol' Joe)

Immigration is a never ending problem, and there will always be pressure from those who have less to seek something better. I understand it, and I KNOW the history of the US and the value of diversity... but I still don't want to be inundated by many millions until we can't cope with all the issues.

I truly do not have an opinion about an answer...except the impossible one of universal population control to allow ALL countries to stay within their comfortable carrying capacity.

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Cruz - Ban Illegal Immigrants
From: GUEST
Date: 09 May 13 - 12:09 PM

Liberal fascists? Oxymoron?

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Cruz - Ban Illegal Immigrants
From: Stu
Date: 09 May 13 - 12:09 PM

"Truth is I'm a moderate."

No offence, but if you're talking in terms of American politics that makes you a right-winger and a reactionary to everyone outside the states. Heck, Obama is further right than the toff in charge here in the UK at present.

Just sayin'

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Cruz - Ban Illegal Immigrants
From: GUEST
Date: 09 May 13 - 01:41 PM

Texas? The Hispanics are the ones who should be there, the Anglos are the immegrants.

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Cruz - Ban Illegal Immigrants
From: Bill D
Date: 09 May 13 - 02:22 PM

The Hispanics immigrated about the same time as the Anglos in historical terms. The Hispanics didn't exactly treat the 'original' natives any better than the Dutch, English..etc. treated the natives up North.

Be careful how you rate the various waves of immigration.

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Cruz - Ban Illegal Immigrants
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 May 13 - 04:34 PM

What we really need is a bill banning Ted Cruz.

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Cruz - Ban Illegal Immigrants
From: Ebbie
Date: 09 May 13 - 07:39 PM

Ted Cruz is another of the legislators that frighten me. He is, from what I can see, just about the polar opposite of what I believe in. In addition, I gather he is charismatic which means he will always draw a certain percentage of votes no matter what the issue. I consider him dangerous.

"President Cruz"? It would shock me but I would not be terribly surprised.

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Cruz - Ban Illegal Immigrants
From: GUEST
Date: 09 May 13 - 08:08 PM

Hope for Texas

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Cruz - Ban Illegal Immigrants
From: Songwronger
Date: 10 May 13 - 11:39 PM

No offence, but if you're talking in terms of American politics that makes you a right-winger and a reactionary to everyone outside the states. Heck, Obama is further right than the toff in charge here in the UK at present.

Yes, I'm aware of that. American politics has been skewed so far to the right that it makes me want to cry. Even the Democrats are fascist now. If you judge Obama by his deeds rather than his words, he is a stone-cold fascist. He's taking money from social programs and giving it to the banks. And his supporters get furious when you point that out. Look at the article below. That's from a socialist rag. Look at how they address Obama's proposed budget for next year. I posted the opening paragraphs of the article here, but it didn't last long. Obama's defenders hate people knowing that he's a fascist.

Obama's Budget

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Cruz - Ban Illegal Immigrants
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 11 May 13 - 04:51 AM

It would be interesting to see an assessment of the budget from an impartial source, simply to see what it actually means, as opposed to the slant applied in that one.

What is very surprising is seeing any US citizen quoting (let alone believing) anything published by avowed socialists!

Are you sure you are an American SW?

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Cruz - Ban Illegal Immigrants
From: Elmore
Date: 11 May 13 - 11:20 PM

Songwronger: I know what a fascist is, but in a recent thread you demonstrated that you that you didn't know the difference between a mayor and a police commissioner. Therefor, when you call the President a fascist, be good enough to define your terms.

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Cruz - Ban Illegal Immigrants
From: Ebbie
Date: 12 May 13 - 12:42 AM

I think he is saying that it means whatever he says it does.

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Cruz - Ban Illegal Immigrants
From: Don Firth
Date: 12 May 13 - 01:44 AM

It seems that those who throw terms like "fascist," "socialist," "liberal," and such around the most are those who apparently know the least about political science.

Don Firth