BS: I am not perfect after all

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Jul 13 - 04:40 PM

Hey, I'm WAY to the Left, politically speaking....I don't know much about Hitchen's general views...but I do agree with what he said in that short video clip. I think he's right on the mark when it comes to that specific subject, in terms of how cynical politicians on both the Right and the Left are using it to push people's buttons, to draw attention to themselves, to make a mountain out of a molehill, and to posture as if they were freedom-loving idealists when they are usually nothing of the kind.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Musket beyond belief
Date: 08 Jul 13 - 04:33 PM

Hitchens?

That bugger says we should still have an Empire.

His brother disowned him you know.

I don't need to carry on with insults. The source of your views says it all.

Again, back in your pit,and take your copy of The Daily M*il with you.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 08 Jul 13 - 03:36 PM

When one claims Hitchens as a guru one has condemned oneself. Unequivocally.

And while we are at it, Wannabee Pharaoh has made little secret of what he hates (Pikeys, faggots, that sort of thing) I have never seen him make clear what he does support.

Keith on the other hand makes it clear that he hates Muslims and wogs, and fairly clear that he would impose martial law or something similar.

FFS, meanwhile, incants gibberish to such an extent that it is almost completely unclear what he does like and what he dislikes - other than uppity niggers with foreign middle names in the white house, which he thinks is wrong.   

It all makes me very satisfied to be vaguely left-ish.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Jul 13 - 02:54 PM

You'll notice the date on this one is 1967!!!
Some truths just don't go away!!!
...but then, 'I am not perfect after all'

...and Ake, (and others),you'll love this one!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Jul 13 - 02:47 PM

...hey here's another one of his......really cool!

By the way, Biff was a sketch writer for George Carlin!
I knew him years ago, when he lived in Venice, California....

gfS

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Jul 13 - 02:31 PM

Sometimes our own reality is too close for us to see it clearly.

Hi Ake!..I agree with your(and Hitchens') take on 'liberal bigotry'. Prejudiced hatred, because of political ideology, anyway you slice it, is in fact bigotry...especially when civil discourse ceases. It is an old adage, "The person who first starts calling names, does so, because he has lost the debate!"
..and BTW, some of the posters who would like to think of themselves as 'liberally hip', are just so far off on a tangent, that center, seems extreme to them. the same can also be said of Conservatives, who just chant their mantras. This whole 'left vs right' has gone into the absurd, because should one find themselves so blocked to another idea, or even, God forbid, LEARNING something outside of their little box, real progress ceases!...so I'll leave you with this little tune, which I've posted before, that says a WHOLE LOT!!!

...and note the final verse!!!

Warmest regards, Akenaton!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: akenaton
Date: 08 Jul 13 - 02:06 PM

Hi Sanity...I see your point, but i think Hitchins was addressing the wider point of the "liberal" attitude to anyone who disagrees with their dogma.....as expounded here by Ian.

It is indeed a type of bigotry....an unreasoning adherance to a view which the facts have proved questionable.
Ians use of personal abuse and name calling in every post is a typical example of such bigotry, but i dont expect him or his chums to recognise it.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Jul 13 - 12:22 PM

Just watched the video...dead on, except for only one thing...Hitchens was speaking from a political point of view, and his points were right on...but didn't address the question of the validity of the merits of the claims of being homosexual, were not confronted....which is still sorta OK, but those merits are absolute folly...but then... " I am not perfect after all"!

BTW, neither did the recent Supreme Court decision.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: akenaton
Date: 08 Jul 13 - 11:12 AM

Peter Hitchins            On "gay marriage"

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: akenaton
Date: 08 Jul 13 - 10:56 AM

My views are not unequivocal Ian, but I do make a serious attempt to explain my views and to broaden out the discussion.

You on the other hand are merely a "sloganiser", for the probable reason that your views do not stand up to serious scrutiny.

you have never made any attempt to explain homosexual STD statistics or the low uptake rates for homosexual marriage or same gender civil union. wich is currently 0.05% I believe?

Anyway the current popular views on sexual mores and the attacks on those who oppose them, is accurately described by Mr Peter Hitchins as "liberal" bigotry.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Musket sans Clapton
Date: 08 Jul 13 - 06:15 AM

As opposed to Akenaton whose views are unequivocal.








Sadly

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 07 Jul 13 - 06:10 PM

Akenaton: "Ian...as Richard has mentioned, you are becoming almost incoherent."

Hey...wait a minute....."RE: BS: I am not perfect after all"

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Jul 13 - 05:25 PM

Ian...as Richard has mentioned, you are becoming almost incoherent.

Further discussion on this thread is a waste of time, just shouting equality over and over is not a balanced argument.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 07 Jul 13 - 04:55 PM

Never heard of Jodi Arias and a brief squint at Wikipedia shows only passing reference to anal sex. Your point, FFS?

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 07 Jul 13 - 02:29 PM

Hey, I've Never stalked Don...that's something he said....because he was stalking me, and figured I must have been doing it to him...'The weak accuse others of their motives!'...but then he likes to stuff his shit into other people's mouths.....pithewie!..or is the pitooie?..Shit neither one is right...oh well, it fits...neither is Don!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Musket sans flat cap
Date: 07 Jul 13 - 02:19 PM

Ah. Don't worry Bridge. Still a dirty rotten stinking capitalist. Ok. I'll accept champagne socialist. I once designed a water filtration system for selling to breweries so I can claim to be the man who waters the worker's beer. (!)

Right. Onto Goofus.   Err. Naw, sod it. Im not qualified. Say Goofus. Have you actually read the old bigot's posts?   Whatever makes you think he has any regard whatsoever for public health.   When you are fighting in a corner, any missile will do. The sad statistics for health of gay men is harrowing. What is beyond decency is using it as a stick to hit them with. He makes respectable people feel ill. He really does.

Please, carry on being a diversion from reality and carry on entertaining, apart from when you stalk Don, but for Clapton's sake, don't let us think the man behind the fool is as bad as our bitter twisted failure.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 07 Jul 13 - 02:16 PM

Richard Bridge: "And by the way some women do like anal sex. Some don't."

True...some do, some don't...Jodi Arias seemed most solicitous about it, in her murder trial....some like shaving their heads with a cheese grater, while chewing tin foil, too!

You think some guys like rubbers, too?

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 07 Jul 13 - 01:49 PM

Dammit Mither, will you please go back to the objectionable capitalist you used to be. Otherwise I may have to start liking you!

By the way, you will find that I pretty consistently post "fiend". It is intentional and started when Mr Happy, some years ago, posted about sessions on the fringe at festivals toured by "Mr Happy and fiends".

And by the way some women do like anal sex. Some don't.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 07 Jul 13 - 01:40 PM

Muskbutt: "Either that or you do understand and just leaping to the defence of Akenaton's hatred."

I guess Akenaton's concern for health may be looked upon by others as being hatred.
BTW, do you still scream when someone comes by and pulls your thumb out?

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 07 Jul 13 - 01:23 PM

Yes post whatever cryptic nonsensical Mather Blather that breezes through your mostly empty skull then complain that it is not understood.


That is how you build upon the reputation you have built by bouncing from one abrasive personality to another.

Nope, not perfect.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Musket evolving slowly
Date: 07 Jul 13 - 01:15 PM

If you don't understand a post, don't make yourself look a fool.

Either that or you do understand and just leaping to the defence of Akenaton's hatred.

I hope not. I think you an idiot, but hitherto, not an odious one.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 07 Jul 13 - 12:53 PM

" canine eugenics. "

Do you mean "Dog Breeding"

20,000 years or more of history.

You want they should stayed wolves Mr. Smartymusket?

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 07 Jul 13 - 11:27 AM

akenaton: "Sanity....powerfully expressed, if a little personal."


Far more common, than you'd think. ..but then, you're a guy..and most men will agree, and have, when I give them shit about it...I couch it with humor..and all too often, the guys will sheepishly grin...By the way, 'personal'??..hitting close to home, huh? ...because they KNOW it's true, and that's what they thought,..a well guarded thought, because the last thing they want to let out to their wives, is anything that would signal to them, that they really weren't all that thrilled to find out she was pregnant! That being said, it may be something they could talk about, far later. It borders on men admitting to their wives, that when they were having sex with them, that they sometimes, (or always..or often) were thinking about somebody else!!!..ANYBODY HOME, out there, GUYS?????..........(don't freak, Ebbie, it happens, and way more often than you might have imagined....maybe even with you...it's just guys!)
I actually have a comedy bit about that, but it might be hard to post, without the benefit of tonal expression. I've seen guys grimace, as if to say, "Oh no!!..Don't say THAT!!...Shit..Jeez!!",,hold their breath, and only moving their eyeballs, try to look at their wives(or dates), to see if she caught that...and looking for re-action!
But then there is a woman's 'revenge'!....Ladies, next time you 'sense' that lack of 'emotional intimacy' during sex, just look at him and ask, "OK, who are you thinking about, NOW???"...He'll swear, it was nobody....as he slowly goes limp!..and pissed...and he'll blame it on YOU!!!..ANYBODY HOME?????....But then, the thread title is, 'I am not perfect after all'!!!!!

Akenaton: "I am sure most women find this (anal sex)practice painful and degrading."

...and maybe that's the allure to a lot of men...Shhh shhh sshh!!

Oh, and by the way, if some of you men out there find the above post, somewhat humorous..well, it's because you've more than likely been there, seen that, done that.....but I won't tell!!

Just one of those things guys don't talk about much....in the presence of a lady!!!....especially YOURS!!

Oh well...........'I am not perfect after all'!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Musket sans imperfection
Date: 07 Jul 13 - 09:32 AM

Designed by nature? A bit rich from someone who supports canine eugenics.

Many heterosexual couples were never designed to have children. Should we have their marriages annulled? Or maybe work out a test in the womb and if a feutus is deigned to be infertile, abort it?

At least your depravity in the post above can't be linked to your false fixation with gay health. Your true colours were too strong to keep under your kilt.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Jul 13 - 05:35 AM

"Many couples can't have children. Some of them gay couples."
Some hetero couples may choose not to have children, some may be prevented by a medical problem from having children.

Same sex couple were never designed by nature to have children.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: Musket
Date: 07 Jul 13 - 05:30 AM

I am tempted to cut and paste Akenaton's post above into an email to all politicians who take an interest in public health. There's your problem, now stop cutting the health promotion budget. Ill informed shallow ignorance is still out there, and it has a vote.

So there we have it. Nothing to do with health statistics, it is to do with procreation. If you don't want kids, don't get married. If you can't have kids, don't get married. If you no longer get it up, get a divorce.

And if you are gay, be judged by your betters. After all, if you are in a loving relationship of many years, you are apparently more promiscuous than most of the teenage pregnancy patients cluttering up our statistics. We need our statistics to be polarised so Akenaton can use them to defend his general views.

I'm just glad there is nothing he has ever agreed with me on. it must be awful to think he holds you in high esteem.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Jul 13 - 03:51 AM

Sanity....powerfully expressed, if a little personal
I agree with a lot of what you say regarding the blood bond, an important ingredient in the survival of humanity.

The traditional definition of marriage contains reference to the family structure, "love" on its own is not a definition, it is an emotion which means very different things to different people.

It is not necessary to "love" ones partner to have a successful marriage, produce and bring up a well balanced family, but it is necessary to be of different genders.

If male to male sex is not a risk, could someone please explain the homosexual health figures?
Anal sex, although unpleasant, is not the real problem, which is the extreme rates of promiscuity that sex between males engenders...it has much more to do with the male being naturally programmed to have as much sex as possible.....the production of a family structure limits this natural programming.
Most heterosexuals settle down after marriage and having children, but there are no such limitations on homosexual relationships, in fact the figures show that male homosexuals become more promiscuous as they approach middle age.

I agree with Hawk that personal choice is these matters is important, but legislation is the business of us all....especially when it is legislation to normalise behaviour which is damaging to health.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Musket sans pain in arse
Date: 07 Jul 13 - 03:25 AM

Most weddings I have been to weren't dangerous. Other than the cake, they weren't unhealthy either. ... Thinking on, the civil partnership ceremonies we have been to passed off without a hitch too.

Back in your pit, there's a good bigot.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Jul 13 - 03:16 AM

Ian, i don't think you really want me to respond to your last post, it has an air of desperation about it.
I will leave you to flounder in your in your own agenda.

Little Hawk....I agree with everything you say regarding the status of personal choice in these matters, but we ARE talking about legislation to normalise a practice which is without doubt dangerous and unhealthy.....for whatever reasons.

I also share your views on anal sex, which I find pretty disgusting and am of the opinion that in most cases this is a power thing ....of the male exerting his will on the female....in effect demeaning her status.
I am sure most women find this practice painful and degrading.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Musket sans pain in arse
Date: 07 Jul 13 - 03:12 AM

Never floated my boat, but nothing to do with me if others do.

But Akenaton's excuse for his hatred falls at the first hurdle if you don't have a heterosexual marriage vow never to turn the other cheek as it were. Hence bringing the subject up. The gender is not the risk. Viruses rarely distinguish.

Tried making sense of Goofus' s rant but failed. Never tried an ass, or a donkey for that matter.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: Little Hawk
Date: 07 Jul 13 - 12:26 AM

Hmm. Well, I've always found the idea of anal sex extremely unappealing, not to mention unnatural. However, many heterosexual men seem to like doing that to their female partners...and some females seem to like the idea. I don't know how many, in either case. But it seems to be becoming more common. I don't consider it a healthy sexual practice no matter who is doing it to whom, but I do consider it a matter of personal choice, a private matter, and I am not opposed to people exercising choice, whether it be in regards to anal sex, gay marriage or abortion...or for that matter, smoking grass or smoking cigarettes (outdoors or in their own privacy, not in enclosed public areas where the smoke affects others). People have to make up their own minds about stuff like that, I think. And I accept that they do.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 07 Jul 13 - 12:21 AM

Yeah..sad, but too often true!

It's really NOT about 'hate'..but more like, looking at something higher, as in 'normal'.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: Ebbie
Date: 06 Jul 13 - 11:09 PM

Wow. :(

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 06 Jul 13 - 04:16 PM

Muskrat: "I suppose I shouldn't mention women liking it up their arse then? Must be too confusing a concept for your stance."

At least when homosexuals have sex that way, they give birth to a bunch of little shits...at least they don't have to change diapers...they harvest them for cologne!

Hey...look down between you legs, there.....what do you see??...Oh, isn't that part of the reproductive system?...Oh, it's not?..You mean it's a toy??...oh, then what's that urge we get??...Oh, part of the 'mating dance'....well what if you don't want to mate?..maybe just want to have some fun?.....Really??....Maybe that's why when a young bride comes home and says, "Honey, I just came back from the doctor's, and guess what?"....and at that point the guy tries to remain emotionless, and the young bride, with a big warm smile on her face says, "Guess what?..I'm pregnant!"....His VERY careful response is, "Are you sure?" (hoping not to let on, "OH FUCK..Damn it!"
At that point the 'free fun' is over........................they think!
Just think, without that little 'urge' (to some, an obsession), YOU probably wouldn't be here, either!
Funny how that happens...because years later, that guy will be more impacted profoundly...than the best fuck he ever got....which he may not even remember!...but he WILL remember the energy and effort it took to raise that kid!!...unless of course you're one of those morons who just fuck whatever, and WON'T stick around to raise the child, should your reproductive system works better than your brain! Then you just sprinkle the earth with kids struggling to get through the FACT that they weren't even loved enough, or worth enough, that the ol' man ran off!...What a curse to live through....but that's OK, the asshole tells himself..I was horny, she was sorta cute enough...the rest was HER fault!
So, unless you've 'mounted' a woman, knowing that it may produce a child, and if it does, and with that same LOVE you take care of it, look out for it, teach it, provide for it, and try to make his way better than the previous generation you can take your 'notion' of what you THINK love is, shove it up your ass, and howl at the moon!.. Because you ain't got shit to say worth listening to...because you're dysfunctional, in one way or the other....and who gives a rats ass that you cannot distinguish love for being horny, anyway?!!!
Akenaton speaks often of diseases associated with homosexuality..I'll go him one further, you're already mentally and an emotionally disturbed self absorbed prick, if you treat a woman or a man with that kind of complete abandon...and God help you, if you treat your own child with the same!.......Animals, in the wild, do better!

Wow!..too much hassle....let's fuck each other in the ass...maybe we can make it socially acceptable...call it 'love'...nobody would know the difference!...but then,...........'I am not perfect after all'...

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Musket sans belief
Date: 06 Jul 13 - 12:47 PM

Whilst we are at it, lets ban heterosexual marriage till we work out the effect of every other std.

Many couples can't have children. Some of them gay couples.

So... When you are Prime Minister you will allow lesbians but not gay men. Let me help you form your next hatred stance. You can catch things licking out a lasses tuppence. Throat cancer amongst them. Wait! That's ok because heterosexual people can catch it too.

I suppose I shouldn't mention women liking it up their arse then? Must be too confusing a concept for your stance.

Equality is equality. People can and soon will marry based on love, not after a health screening. If we did that, how long before a fat chav reared on McDonalds and Turbo Lager is sterilised because their kids, lets face it, will be a burden on society.

Amazing, Akenaton. Words almost fail me. Read your posts before sending them, please!

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: akenaton
Date: 06 Jul 13 - 11:38 AM

No explanation Ian?....didn't expect one.

It is a matter of choice or a medical problem, whether or not a heterosexual couple have children. It is at present impossible for a homosexual couple to have children naturally.......but I am sure before long, Dr Frankenstein will catch up!

Of course monogamy doesn't promote promiscuity, but homosexual "marriage" or civil union, lasts on average 1.5 years and the take up rates are tiny....as such the "marriage" issue is a bit of a smoke screen to the real problem, which is the homosexual health figures.
Now I am certain that extreme promiscuity causes these rates of infection, and as they don't pertain to lesbians, there must be something endemic in male to male sex which is extremely damaging to the health of homosexuals.

We should not bring forward legislation to promote or normalise this behaviour until we have some understanding of what is causing the horrific infection rated among MSM.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Musket sans Clapton
Date: 06 Jul 13 - 11:37 AM

Yes but Little Hawk. You need him to follow you through the threads injection his views wherever it is inappropriate. He calls gay acceptance liberal nonsense and his continuous citing health statistics to prove hatred of gays being acceptable would in a sane mind feel gay marriage would reduce not increase health issues through promiscuity.

But he doesn't. He says opposing gay marriage is the stance of millions of people hence acceptable. Well it proves one of two things. Either his statistic is erroneous or millionsof ppeople are wrong. I suspect the former with residual hatred of previous generations providing a small percentage of the latter.

Here in The UK churches were allowed to opt out of performing gay marriages. No problem there. Their irrelevance just becomes clearer in an otherwise equal society.

Its very simple. Either every voting adult has the same rights as other voting adults or we double the number of pubs, hotels, buses, trains and toilets to allow for any other forms of segregation that comes to mind. Jews? blacks? How about socialists? We have a right wing government so persecuting weird beards is acceptable.

I fail to see any reason whatsoever for opposing equality.

None whatsoever. Period.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 06 Jul 13 - 10:59 AM

It is what it is...and it isn't what it isn't....

GFS

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Jul 13 - 10:02 AM

There are a number of reasons for marriage.

companionship

the intention to have children together

tradition

the desire to have a reliable sexual partner

the social expectations one has been brought up with

the thought that "everyone does this, and I'm a loser if I don't" (see above...social expectations)

the thought that it's a holy covenant (traditious religious veiwpoint)

legal and financial advantages

the view of the government regarding the subject (they can decide that you ARE married if you live together for awhile under the same roof)

Etc.

All of the above reasons can enter into the equation, as can others...but most of them are not obligatory, they're optional.

Most people do expect to have children when they marry, but a fair number do not, for one reason or another.

Gay marriage is no issue to me at all, one way or another, so I'm not opposed to it, and I have no problem with it being legal. Akenaton is correct to draw attention to health problems associated with the spread of AIDS, and doing so does not indicate that he's a bigot or that he hates gay men. I don't see, however, what it has to do with whether or not gay men should marry one another if they so desire. Churches shouldn't be pressured one way or another about whether they perform gay marriages, but should work it out amongst their own congregation in a democratic fashion...which many of them have done. After all, if you don't like this church...go to that church instead. There ARE options available.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Musket evolving slowly
Date: 06 Jul 13 - 03:33 AM

Keep going, the pair of you.

The more you type, the less I have to question. You are making your views known quite adequately.

In fact well done. As my wife and I never intended to have children, you expose us as the sham marriage we have. In fact the only bit I don't understand is how monogamy promotes promiscuous behaviour? If Akenaton could understand his own words, I could get on with exciting subjects such as ear wax and being a Messiah.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 06 Jul 13 - 03:25 AM

Akenaton: "....and construct the natural family structure which is the bedrock of conventional marriage."

Try, "....bedrock of ALL living societies on the planet with the instinct to survive as a species!"

Just a thought, there Ol' Chap!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: akenaton
Date: 06 Jul 13 - 03:18 AM

Could you please explain the following statements?

"Thousands of criminals in prison, does not make crime legitimate"
Are you trying to say that all who oppose homosexual"marriage" are criminals?

"Millions of people vote Conservative, but not many round here seem to agree with their policies."
Are you saying that Conservative opinions are not valid and that Conservatives should be denied a vote?

"My refusal to accept the insults you hurl at gays"
"You twist figures and promote hate. Don't you dare even begin to have a pop at me. I for one am at peace with myself and laugh more than I am sad."

The figures are not mine and they are there for all to see, the latest show huge rates of STD among male homosexuals....HIV and Syphilis.... over 70 % of new cases are amongst male homosexuals.
It defies belief that anyone, even you, fail to see these figures as absolutely horrific, yet they are being concealed from most people by the media, or at best glossed over.
The health agencies are increasingly moving towards compusory testing and contact tracing for MSM, but are impeded by "liberal" political correctness. A difficult enough issue to deal with without being restricted by fools.

You should not be "at peace with yourself" Ian, nor should anyone who choses to hide the misery included in these figures under a smokescreen of "equality" or marriage rights.

You are entitled to your opinion of me personally, but your posts indicate a person with much more hatred in their mind, than you accuse me of spreading.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: akenaton
Date: 06 Jul 13 - 02:44 AM

Ian...I'm afraid you don't have a reasonable point of view.

Your stance is based on the world as you would like to see it, you do not make any attempt to address the negative points associated with male homosexuality, or the "rights" which are already avilable to homosexuals under the Civil Union legislation.

Your views are based on what many would see as myth, as much as you see all religious faiths as based on myth.

There is obviously no "equality under the law" in a capitalist society, surely I do not need to give examples of how our legal system is aused by the rich and the powerful?
There is no equality in a hetero or homo "marriage" as one couple is of the same gender and naturally unable to produce offspring and construct the natural family structure which is the bedrock of conventional marriage.

What is being discussed in this issue, is "sexuality", not "love", which can occur between all genders and even between species.
Love and marriage......do NOT always go together like a horse and carriage. :0)

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 06 Jul 13 - 02:03 AM

Musket sans brainy forethought: "Gay marriage is marriage between two people in love. The only reason to oppose it is hate. You, I recall, don't even hide behind the cloak of superstition."

...but just not enough to love ones self enough, to get beyond being horny, with another emotionally withered, and immature person, to look inward, and see something in there worth passing to his own offspring, naturally, with another being capable of bearing him a child......
...other than that, the rest, I guess, is superstition!...Nothing there to hate...and really, nothing much to take THAT seriously!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Jul 13 - 12:53 AM

Careful, Ian! Being a Messiah is a hazardous business. Look what happened to Jesus.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Jul 13 - 06:50 PM

Liealyzer:

My refusal to accept the insults that you hurl at gays,

Please post one example of one such insult.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Jul 13 - 06:43 PM

"I am not perfect after all" " a a self deprecating thread"

It is "self deprecating" for you to "admit" that you are not perfect?

Thank you for the exquisite candor you thoroughly modest man.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Musket sans blood of the Messiah
Date: 05 Jul 13 - 06:24 PM

Yeah but Little Hawk, ours may not be a new religion but we have the recipe and the ingredients.

We can't control the oven temperature nor the words of the food critics. But hey, it is food for the masses.

And it proves Jerk the sailor to be right after all. What isn't to like?

Hard work being the Messiah and a very naughty boy. ... I even seem to be attracting detractors. I can't control the quality of them but nobody is perfect, omnipotent maybe but too many quarks to steer.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Musket evolving slowly
Date: 05 Jul 13 - 04:00 PM

Thousands of criminals in prison. Doesn't make crime legitimate. Gay marriage is marriage between two people in love. The only reason to oppose it is hate. You, I recall, don't even hide behind the cloak of superstition. Millions of people vote conservative but I don't see many people around here say that means they agree with their policies.

No Akenaton. You are wrong. I never post hate and to be accused of it by the most objectionable bigot on Mudcat is rather offensive.

My refusal to accept the insults that you hurl at gays, the insinuation that rational people with no religious delusions have a past that stopped them being superstitious is so insulting that Jack the Sailor will always be challenged.

You two decided to hijack this thread. It was a self deprecating thread for a laugh till you two and others such as Ron whassiname turned up.

You twist figures and promote hate. Don't you dare even begin to have a pop at me. I for one am at peace with myself and laugh more than I am sad. I don't need to blame huge sections of society, don't need to be grateful to a mythical concept for my situation and never, ever let go when challenging hate and prejudice. Never seen the need to ignore it you see. It just seems to let them think their position is acceptable in polite society. Well it ain't.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Jul 13 - 03:47 PM

Ian, I don't think yours IS a new religion at all. It's been around ever since I can remember, and my bet is that it preceded you by centuries, if not millenia. You could make it a quasi-sort-of-new religion, though, (at least officially) if you openly declared yourself to be its prophet, claimed exclusive knowledge on the subject, appointed yourself as Grand High Mucky-Muck of same, wrote a holy book for all your followers to adhere to, and laid down a strict set of rules for them to follow.

You would then have an (officially, if not actually) NEW religion!   Be advised that I would almost certainly not join it. ;-)

Back to the original thread title statement...

"I am not perfect after all"

Didn't Richard Nixon say that once? Or did he just say, "I am not...perfect.   But.......(etc)"