BS: Church for the Godless

Subject: BS: Church for the Godless
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 08 Jan 14 - 12:02 PM

I thought some of you might be interested in this.



Church?

Subject: RE: BS: Church for the Godless
From: Stringsinger
Date: 08 Jan 14 - 12:05 PM

Jack, this makes no sense whatever. Some of us want to get away from churches altogether seeing no benefit in their existence. A church for godless is an oxymoron.

Subject: RE: BS: Church for the Godless
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 08 Jan 14 - 12:26 PM

It would have to be a bugger of a big church. Considering we are all Godless, on account of churches existing in the real world and God existing in the mind of the feeble....



Ah! About time our spunky salty matey started a thread again to provoke rational folk, then claim he didn't do it for such a purpose.

I love biting, so thanks Jerk!

Subject: RE: BS: Church for the Godless
From: GUEST,Pete from seven stars link.
Date: 08 Jan 14 - 01:36 PM

Sounds sort of positive in a funny way. They just want a community gathering and have a good time. I doubt I would agree with the conclusions of the lectures a lot of the time , but at least they not gone down the New York faction path that wants to emphasise atheism.

Subject: RE: BS: Church for the Godless
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 08 Jan 14 - 01:52 PM

Why the fuck call it a church? Churches are for oppression and the expression of judgemental views (and usually political conservatism too).

http://nation.time.com/2014/01/07/satanists-unveil-statue-for-oklahoma-capitol/

Subject: RE: BS: Church for the Godless
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 08 Jan 14 - 02:00 PM

There are already Ethical Culture societies and the like which are, more or less, "church" (social gathering place) for those who do not necessarily believe in a deity.

I don't have a God problem but I DO have a serious organized religion problem...ALL of them. (Including this "church for the godless".)

My community are my friends. And my substitute for church are the sessions at The Press Room with my fellow communicants. Celebration of life through music and beer.

Linn

Subject: RE: BS: Church for the Godless
From: Elmore
Date: 08 Jan 14 - 02:22 PM

In my adult life, I've gone to many churches many times because that's where the folk concerts and coffee houses are to be found.

Subject: RE: BS: Church for the Godless
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 08 Jan 14 - 02:32 PM

And a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to everybody. I suppose if I added "God Bless us everyone'" that would count as trolling, in this context, so I'll just think it.

Subject: RE: BS: Church for the Godless
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Jan 14 - 03:13 PM

Jeez!..What next?....Casting ballots that don't matter???

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Church for the Godless
From: Elmore
Date: 08 Jan 14 - 03:39 PM

Casting ballots that don't matter. That's what we'll be now that we live in the third most conservative Congressional District in the United States.

Subject: RE: BS: Church for the Godless
From: Elmore
Date: 08 Jan 14 - 04:56 PM

That's what we'll be doing, not that's what we'll be now. See above.

Subject: RE: BS: Church for the Godless
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 08 Jan 14 - 05:14 PM

>>
Jack, this makes no sense whatever. Some of us want to get away from churches altogether seeing no benefit in their existence. A church for godless is an oxymoron. <<

Why don't you tell that to npr?


>>I love biting, so thanks Jerk! <<

another unprovoked violation of the terms of use of this website.

Subject: RE: BS: Church for the Godless
From: Stringsinger
Date: 08 Jan 14 - 05:32 PM

Jack, your motives in bringing up this issue are suspect. Do you just want to antagonize
those who are not religious? If so, why?

I don't trust NPR for truth in reporting when it comes to issues like this.

Once again, I'd like to see a decent discussion on this issue rather than a blanket
dissing of those who disagree with religion.

"Godless" is a term used by religious fundamentalists to denigrate non-believers.

Why do we have to call each other names?

I don't use the term "atheist" any more because it is a destructive label and like so many
"ists" doesn't define what I think is factually true.

Subject: RE: BS: Church for the Godless
From: GUEST,Grishka
Date: 08 Jan 14 - 05:54 PM

Interesting. On other threads, the "British Humanist Association" BHA was mentioned, which organizes corresponding events.

What I find stunning is that so many people think they know exactly what religion is about, where it comes from and why it exists, but actually have no clue at all! This notably includes many leaders and protagonists of religious and anti-religious organizations - not all of them, though.

Mixed events of the above kind abound, normally called concerts, happenings, or sports events / games. Godlessness is not required to enjoy them.

Subject: RE: BS: Church for the Godless
From: akenaton
Date: 08 Jan 14 - 06:14 PM

Ah!...Folk music used to be like that, before the money men arrived.

Subject: RE: BS: Church for the Godless
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 08 Jan 14 - 06:22 PM

String So far as I can tell, "Church for the Godless" was the name of the organization by the two self-identified comedians that started it. I suspect some playfulness was involved in that choice. The choice of words suited them, and suits a large News organization such as NPR. Your opinion of NPR is noted. But please note that any NPR editor is a thousand times more qualified than you on the subject of the use of a particular word. Also note that the founders and members of that organization have ever right to call themselves "godless" as they hve chosen to do.

I do not feel inclined to edit my words for you. It is clear enough that your opinions do not reflect the atheist mainstream or even that of atheists you claim to respect. I really do not care what you consider to be an "oxymoron" as your definitions tend to be much more restrictive than any accepted in the larger world.

Subject: RE: BS: Church for the Godless
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 08 Jan 14 - 06:26 PM

Thanks to all who did not post here to pick a fight. I thought the idea was interesting so I shared it. No criticism of any person or people living or dead, divine or mundane was intended or implied.

Subject: RE: BS: Church for the Godless
From: Allan C.
Date: 08 Jan 14 - 07:10 PM

JTS, I honestly think that the social aspects of church-going have always influenced some people to seek churches. Whether the seeking of religious connections is the driving force is for others to debate. It appears that it is important for us humans to seek community with others of similar need. If those others also hold similar beliefs, values or sources of pleasure, then all the better. So if folks want to go to a church or a pub or a bowling alley, fine! Who cares?

Subject: RE: BS: Church for the Godless
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 08 Jan 14 - 07:47 PM

I agree. Doing so on Sunday morning and having music and lecturers are bonuses.

Subject: RE: BS: Church for the Godless
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Jan 14 - 11:03 PM

"I'm not with the party...I'm with the band"

"I'm not with the religion, I'm in the choir"

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Church for the Godless
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 09 Jan 14 - 05:04 AM

Eyup Sailor! Do " violations" of the terms of use of this website have to be unprovoked to have you running to teacher, or can I toss a grenade into the proceedings at random?

Nothing unprovoked in what I put and you ruddy well know it, you cheeky little monkey.

There's only one church for the Godless in The UK, and that's down Bramhall Lane in Sheffield.

We on the other side of the city have tangible reason for our faith.

Subject: RE: BS: Church for the Godless
From: banjoman
Date: 09 Jan 14 - 05:21 AM

Simply calling it a Church perhaps is significant . It may be some attempt to recreate a time when the participants did have some religious beliefs.
All organised religions have problems in claiming total and exclusive knowledge. I believe that any faith has to be from the individuals heart.

Subject: RE: BS: Church for the Godless
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 09 Jan 14 - 07:41 AM

When you say "used to have religious belief" I think you have to look to those over the age of 60 in order to encompass almost everyone.

Public sector workers are invited to declare a faith (optional to even answer it though) from time to time for HR purposes. The organisation I am involved with, with 8000 staff, only 22% claimed any religious affiliation at all. The vast majority of those being overseas doctors. Nigerian Christians, Middle East Muslims and Indian Sikhs etc.

If people had belief then lost it, why are the few sitting pews in our village all old biddies?

The case for faith interfering in society at large is a rather weak one.

A church for the Godless could be a polling booth?

Subject: RE: BS: Church for the Godless
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Jan 14 - 12:03 PM

How about gods for the churchless?

Subject: RE: BS: Church for the Godless
From: Stringsinger
Date: 09 Jan 14 - 12:37 PM

I have made a huge mistake in responding to this post. It can only lead to more ignorant rancor.

I don't agree that any NPR editor is more qualified than me or anyone else on this site, in fact many on this site are much better at analysis than the soundbites offered on NPR which is characteristic of the lack of honest journalism these days.

This authoritarian appraisal betrays the problem that religion has today. The hierarchical
aspect of Christianity is so evident that many young people are justified in turning away from it. Their leaders have failed them by posing as somehow superior to others and laying out repressive edicts and hypocritical rules.

The founders as anyone else of an organization can call it what they want even if their terminology is ambiguous.

It is not clear that there is a "mainstream atheist movement" as you say. There are many divergent points of view about what constitutes non-belief and no one has a corner on that market. The so-called "mainstream atheist view" is merely an attempt to discredit non-belief by throwing everyone who dissents from religion into the same category.

I also disagree that there are any definitions accepted in the so-called "larger world" but that these definitions that you mention, depending on what they are, tend toward disseminating propaganda rather than revealing any useful information about religion.

I do not feel inclined to accept these "so-called" definitions.

Subject: RE: BS: Church for the Godless
From: Stringsinger
Date: 09 Jan 14 - 12:46 PM

If people require a church to substitute for a sense of community, there is nothing wrong with that except that it forms another tribal unit to go to war against another similar tribal unit but this seems to be the history of religion and churches in general.

A prominent Native American has said, "Churches are where white men go to argue about god."

There are those who because of their upbringing are addicted to churches and find it difficult to function without them.

Shall we separate the Church of the Godless from the Church of the Godfull?

It occurs to me that both are bloated and irrelevant.

Subject: RE: BS: Church for the Godless
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 09 Jan 14 - 04:36 PM

"I have made a huge mistake in responding to this post."


"I don't agree that any NPR editor is more qualified than me or anyone else on this site"

Very few people including NPR editors say what they are doing is a huge mistake as they proceed to do it, twice.

I think that sums up your qualifications pretty well.

Subject: RE: BS: Church for the Godless
From: GUEST,Ed T
Date: 09 Jan 14 - 08:16 PM

Is the church you refeer to one or more buildings, an organization, a movement, a like minded communiy, a governing body, a meeting place or social gathering or club, or a following?

Subject: RE: BS: Church for the Godless
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 10 Jan 14 - 01:20 AM

Presumably, the form would be similar to that if any other church.

Somewhere for the faithful to get together to feel superior and reckon they are the smug err sorry, anointed ones.

Subject: RE: BS: Church for the Godless
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 10 Jan 14 - 02:37 AM

Ed T. It is an organization started by two comedians in England which has and L.A. chapter that meets in a rented all.

Subject: RE: BS: Church for the Godless
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 10 Jan 14 - 08:13 AM

Our small village in Norfolk UK has a 900 year-old C of E church and a delapidated village hall. Recently, £280,000 was raised by various means (including grants from English heritage and others) to repair the church roof and stabilise the tower. There is now an excellent committee preparing much the same fundraising to build a spanking new village hall. There are 3 committees who supervise the maintenance and running of the church, and 2 for the village hall. I am on all of them.
The other members are mostly elderly if not very old indeed. And it's exactly the same people on each committee. The hall is used by many of the younger folk and their children, and the Cristingle Service in the church at Christmas is packed with 150 children from all 6 churches in the Benefice. But not one parent, young person or couple come to church or offer help, committee service or fundraising work for the new hall. This in spite of the village school being a C of E school. Our village is very friendly and there's a 'community spirit', but I wonder what the position will be in, say, 20 years' time, when all the old faithful are long gone? I don't think modern times call for 'church', either for the godly or the godless. Everyone contents themselves with gazing at a mobile phone screen and Tweeting themselves silly. That's 'church' for them.

Subject: RE: BS: Church for the Godless
From: Pete Jennings
Date: 10 Jan 14 - 11:00 AM

Stingsinger was correct in his first post: it's an oxymoron.

Definition of "church" from the OED (unabridged):


noun

a building used for public Christian worship:the church was largely rebuilt at the end of the 15th century some people go to church every Sunday after church we went to a restaurant [in names]:St Luke's Church

•
(Church) a particular Christian organization with its own clergy, buildings, and distinctive doctrines:the Church of England

•
(the Church) the hierarchy of clergy within a particular Christian Church:Isobel would enter the Church as a deacon

•
[mass noun] institutionalized religion as a political or social force:the separation of church and state


verb
[with object] archaic
take (a woman who has recently given birth) to church for a service of thanksgiving.



Origin:

Old English cir(i)ce, cyr(i)ce, related to Dutch kerk and German Kirche, based on medieval Greek kurikon, from Greek kuriakon (dōma) 'Lord's (house)', from kurios 'master or lord'. Compare with kirk

Subject: RE: BS: Church for the Godless
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Jan 14 - 11:38 AM

And don't forget Captain Kirk.

Subject: RE: BS: Church for the Godless
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 10 Jan 14 - 11:45 AM

Guest (Anon.?) I was thinking of Kirk Douglas!

Subject: RE: BS: Church for the Godless
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Jan 14 - 01:09 PM

That too, Eliza.

Subject: RE: BS: Church for the Godless
From: Mrrzy
Date: 10 Jan 14 - 01:18 PM

An aye, aye for an aye-aye?

Subject: RE: BS: Church for the Godless
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 10 Jan 14 - 06:17 PM

That is so Pete Jennings. But I also think I was right to suggest that he take it up with NPR. It was their choice of words and the choice of words of the people who founded "the church." Its just a silly article.

Subject: RE: BS: Church for the Godless
From: GUEST,Troubadour
Date: 10 Jan 14 - 07:07 PM

One thing that really intrigues and rather amuses me, is JtS assuming that of all the groups, social, political and religious, in this world, Ahtheism alone does not have a miniscule minority of idiots who believe an Atheist church has any meaning.

We should thank the good seaman for his endorsement of Atheist superintelligence.

And I'm not an Atheist!

Subject: RE: BS: Church for the Godless
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 11 Jan 14 - 04:53 AM

If our salty matey reckons those with no metaphysical delusions have the edge when it comes to intelligence, that is presumably why he once offered to pray for me....

Subject: RE: BS: Church for the Godless
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 11 Jan 14 - 12:25 PM

I find the strong negative reaction on this forum to people departing from what can only be described as a perception of atheist orthodoxy intriguing and amusing.

I don't think that these people "believe" in atheist church any more than Ian believes in fairies at the end of the garden. A couple of comedians in the UK thought it would be funny to suggest a substitute for church services than did not include the worship of God. I have seen some non-Christians on this forum say that they sometimes enjoy some of the rituals and music of organized religion but couldn't bring themselves to participate in the praying to and worshiping of a being they were not convince existed. So, thinking there may be some interest, I provided this link. What is the reaction? quibbling over the obviously tongue in cheek term "Church for the Godless."

The name describes the phenomena well enough. They aren't hurting anyone. What exactly is the problem?

Subject: RE: BS: Church for the Godless
From: Musket
Date: 11 Jan 14 - 12:37 PM

Atheism doesn't hurt anyone I suppose. Churches have a bit of a track record mind..

The problem is, you have form. People note the types of thread you like to start and are suspicious of your intentions.

Blame yourself. We all do.

Subject: RE: BS: Church for the Godless
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 11 Jan 14 - 12:47 PM

Let's bottom line it...people don't know how the fuck they got here, or what the fuck to do or think now that they've arrived!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Church for the Godless
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jan 14 - 02:16 PM

"Blame yourself. We all do."

Speak for yourself. I think Jack is a taco short of a combination plate, but I have yet to reach the point I blame him for things. Do show some class, please.

Subject: RE: BS: Church for the Godless
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 12 Jan 14 - 02:32 AM

Ah but in blaming him, I am respecting his intelligence and if that doesn't confuse the simple soul, I'm not doing my job properly.

Subject: RE: BS: Church for the Godless
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 12 Jan 14 - 04:40 AM

Speaking as a recovering baptist, atheist who is against all forms of indoctrination (including militant atheism) and one who understands that language is a constantly morphing living thing - words change meaning over time, I am inclined to stick with the concept that the term church does not mean merely mean community of like minded, but is tied specifically to the Christian community of believers.

It remains most common understanding of the word.

For information, here is a bit of a rant, that I am still mulling over. The author is clearly a Christian who is anti-church.

http://www.aggressivechristianity.net/articles/ecclesia.htm

Subject: RE: BS: Church for the Godless
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 12 Jan 14 - 04:56 AM

I am a recovering baptist. Thanks to a broader education and being blessed with a somewhat open mind I am now an atheist, who does not agree with indoctrination of any kind, including militant atheism. People need to follow their own paths.

I understand how language morphs. But I don't thing the term "church" is far removed from its original meaning the Greek, kuriakos meaning, of the lord or lord's house. How and when the word lord came to be equivalent with concept of god is obvious.

So I agree the term godless church is an oxymoron. And unfortunately the term church will continue to retain its historical baggage.

I am still mulling this article over, so no comments from me upon it. Apparently a christian author is quite vocally anti-church.

http://www.aggressivechristianity.net/articles/ecclesia.htm

Subject: RE: BS: Church for the Godless
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 12 Jan 14 - 04:58 AM

Mudcat is playing silly buggers with my posts. The first didn't take and so I retyped it. Then it shows up. Moderator, if you are so inclined, please remove my original and this post and let the second stand.

Thank you.

Subject: RE: BS: Church for the Godless
From: GUEST,Pete from seven stars link
Date: 12 Jan 14 - 12:43 PM

Tam...I hope you don't include a Christian sincere desire to share their faith as indoctrination or militant in a negative sense, always assuming that we are willing to withdraw if asked to. Obviously ,I am sorry that you turned atheist, but would certainly not endeavour to pursue any unwelcome discussion on the subject.      Ps unable to get link as hospital wifi deemed it inappropriate .   Best to you.   Pete.

Subject: RE: BS: Church for the Godless
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 12 Jan 14 - 02:33 PM

Probably deemed you inappropriate pete. One man's sincere desire to share his faith is another man's sincere desire to shove his bible up his arse.

Withdrawing isn't the issue. Assuming people would be interested in the first place is the issue. Preying on the young and the vulnerable seems to be the norm. If there was anything worth getting excited about for those of a more rational disposition, we'd be building new churches rather than flogging them off for redevelopments that end up on "Grand Designs."

Subject: RE: BS: Church for the Godless
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 13 Jan 14 - 03:49 AM

100   /2

New page please!

Subject: RE: BS: Church for the Godless
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 13 Jan 14 - 09:03 AM

>>>
The problem is, you have form. People note the types of thread you like to start and are suspicious of your intentions.

Blame yourself. We all do. <<


I know this forum pretty well Ian. There are far more people egging you on to watch you make a fool of yourself than those who think you are doing the right thing.

Subject: RE: BS: Church for the Godless
From: Stu
Date: 13 Jan 14 - 11:29 AM

"Sounds sort of positive in a funny way. They just want a community gathering and have a good time."

Crikey, I agree with Pete!

A sense of community is one thing religion does well and secular society can often find missing. This is just people wanting to do what humans love to do - be with other people.

Subject: RE: BS: Church for the Godless
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 13 Jan 14 - 11:53 AM

Yes Stu, I agree. I find more and more articles about non-believers trying to reclaim the benefits of the Church without the baggage and the negative aspects. I don't go to Church much myself but I might go to one of these services unless they spend time condemning the beliefs of others or otherwise judging without fear of being judged.

Subject: RE: BS: Church for the Godless
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 13 Jan 14 - 12:10 PM

You know, the few times I go to a church, weddings, funerals etc, it amazes me that even the most Anglican Jesus Lite vicars spend time condemning the beliefs of others.

The sense of community is the sense of community. The ulterior baggage is the issue.

You have it wrong Jerk. If anyone is egging me on, I am oblivious to it. If I get a kick out of it, I wish I'd let myself know, I could do with a laugh.

Analysing my contributions gets you nowhere. I'm a bloke, pointing out absurdities and encouraging debate. That you think I am trying to stifle debate says more about your contribution than it does mine.

If I start doing the right thing, let me know and I shall stop. Rather pointless trying to be serious with some of the usual suspects around here, you included.

Pip Pip

Subject: RE: BS: Church for the Godless
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 13 Jan 14 - 01:43 PM

"You have it wrong Jerk. If anyone is egging me on, I am oblivious to it. "

I don't think so. I've seen such flattery work quite well on you.

Your assertion is easy enough to test.

Maybe next time you say "we" you should list exactly who you think agrees with you so that you can see just how far their encouragement of your rule-breaking goes.

:-)

Subject: RE: BS: Church for the Godless
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 13 Jan 14 - 01:54 PM

BTW, "Jerk" is a violation of the terms of use of this forum. Max has made a simple, clear request.

Subject: RE: BS: Church for the Godless
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 13 Jan 14 - 02:50 PM

We?

You are the one who likes to belong....

Jerk isn't a violation of anything. It is a parody of your knee jerk reaction to the right of people to be crass, to be human and to make light of your approach.

I hope there is no list of those who agree with me. I gave up encouraging groupies thirty odd years ago.

Subject: RE: BS: Church for the Godless
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 14 Jan 14 - 10:27 AM

Calling people jerk is unkind and impolite. It certainly is! Who first communicated that thought to me on this forum? Shaw and Musket.

But I called them jerks because at the time they were concentrating their efforts on verbal harassment rather than communication. Since then, much has changed. I have found that there has been rule changes, one of which prohibits such behavior. Mr Shaw, no long berates me. Mr. Musket has doubled down. Because he is using this forum for Catharsis and refuses to let Max's rules and plain good manners get in the way of that.

Subject: RE: BS: Church for the Godless
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 14 Jan 14 - 10:42 AM

So much for the olive branch...

I use this thread for self amusement eh? Tell you what, there are plenty of websites that cater for that, but I doubt you would feature in any associated fantasy, sailor or no sailor....

I said it is cathartic, I never said I use it for catharsis. Nice try, no cigar.

Subject: RE: BS: Church for the Godless
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 14 Jan 14 - 12:15 PM

>>I said it is cathartic, I never said I use it for catharsis. Nice try, no cigar. <<

There is no try. There is only do. Only you would bother to pretend that's not the same thing. But you didn't call me a jerk so that is progress.

Subject: RE: BS: Church for the Godless
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 14 Jan 14 - 12:58 PM

A bit rich coming from someone who pushed semantics to illogical conclusions in an adjacent thread earlier today?

I guess there is little point in noting the difference between calling you a jerk and calling you Jerk?

Out of interest, Steve Shaw, my co Messiah, doesn't call you Jerk. He calls you Whacko. I wouldn't bank on rule changes being the cause of his lack of interest in these threads if I were you....

Subject: RE: BS: Church for the Godless
From: GUEST,Stim
Date: 14 Jan 14 - 03:51 PM

I will not be visiting this thread anymore. It isn't because Musket is being tedious, or because Jack is being petulant, or because Virginia Tam has stopped being a Baptist and become an atheist. And nothing to do with Nigel at all.

It is because when I do, I get pop ups inviting me to join four different churches, a window that allows me to register as a minister, and a pop up for an atheist dating site(it has a picture of two people clutching one another who are supposed to be atheists, but whom I believe are only models).

Aside from the larger questions that it raises, such as whether I'd be happy at a "ROCKIN'" community church, why a young couple would have need for any dating site at all, and whether Virginia Tam is in a relationship, (and if she's not, is she listed at the atheist dating site?), there are a host of secondary questions beneath the surface.

1)Is Musket really Ian Mathers?

2) Who the Hell is Ian Mathers?

3) Is he related to Marshall Mathers?

And finally the question as to whether any of this mathers.

Subject: RE: BS: Church for the Godless
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 14 Jan 14 - 04:11 PM

Stim, google pop up blocker.

Musket, You will argue about anything. Shaw has called me "jerk" and he does not presently call me Whacko. He doesn't talk to me at all. I don't know Why. I don't care why. But I would like to think that he would have the good manners and good sense to abide by Max's rule change once he knows about it. I'm sure that most of forum appreciates that he and I don't talk. I'm sure the same would go for you and me, you and ake etc etc.

Subject: RE: BS: Church for the Godless
From: skarpi
Date: 14 Jan 14 - 04:45 PM

Is the God in Church ? is the Faith in the Church , and is Jesus him self in the Church ?

well I found my faith in my heart and soul , if I want to go and have some quiet moment yes I can go the church , and yes if I want have fun
with my faith I can also go to Church , Luthers Church here in Iceland
is to dark , it makes me sad to go the Church ..should not be like that
it should bring out the joy and happiness , the faith is always in your self .
well thats me :)

all the best Skarpi Iceland .

Subject: RE: BS: Church for the Godless
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 14 Jan 14 - 05:10 PM

Interesting Skarpi.

Are you saying that sometimes church is fun and sometimes it is dark?


Or do you have a fun church and another dark church that you can go to?

Subject: RE: BS: Church for the Godless
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 15 Jan 14 - 03:02 AM

Superfluous plural Stim.

None of which matters as I use the name musically, and a more real one in business.

Hopefully nobody is fascinated with the text of what I write, and if people focus in on it rather than the angle of debate I happen to be offering, it just reinforces that they are pushing a point rather than debating it.

Small things amuse some of us.

Anyway, you don't want to touch those atheist dating sites. The secret to a happy relationship is the missionary position.

Subject: RE: BS: Church for the Godless
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 15 Jan 14 - 03:18 AM

If the Christian faith is so stupid and harmless, and based in cheesy superstition, then why are the 'liberals' so freaked out about it?

Are the 'so-called liberals' so fragile in their thinking, that they just can't allow another perspective of what life is????

Sounds flimsy to me!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Church for the Godless
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 15 Jan 14 - 03:26 AM

For every action there is a reaction.

Keep that attitude up Goofus and you'd just end up with having to be religious in order to be part of society.

Stamp collectors don't knock on your door. They don't lobby governments for forced recognition. They don't tell us how to lick stamps.

Oh. Sorry. I will let the Good Professor explain it better for you.

Ready boy?

Woof!

You have a chat with ol' Goofus then.

Woof! Woof! Grrrr. Woof!

Subject: RE: BS: Church for the Godless
From: skarpi
Date: 15 Jan 14 - 06:31 AM

Jack , well yes I can go to a church in Reykjavík where I can
stand up and dance and sing and enjoy being with people , who let
go ..and then there is this Luther ´s church ..witch is sad silence
and some times I feel it dark .

all the best Skarpi .

Subject: RE: BS: Church for the Godless
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Jan 14 - 09:05 AM

GfS said ". . . why are the 'liberals' so freaked out about it?"

Usually you use better reasoning than you have shown here. Would you please define what 'liberal' means to you?