BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Greg F.
Date: 28 Feb 14 - 01:34 PM

SO?

And therein lies the problem...........

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 28 Feb 14 - 01:40 PM

Since NO other nation is under that obligation, your singling out Israel for criticism is proof of your anti-Jewish bigotry.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Greg F.
Date: 28 Feb 14 - 01:45 PM

Jesus (or Moses) wept.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 28 Feb 14 - 01:56 PM

Jesus would weep, at your attempts to justify your bigotry.

I do note that you ignore the rights of the Jewish refugees of 1948 from Arab lands. What about them? Do the rights of 640,000 Arab Muslims exceed the right of 820,000 Arab Jews?



77% of the "Jewish Homeland" was split off in 1924 or so to form the Kingdom of TransJordan, where Jews were not allowed to settle. This was by the Mandate Power ( GB) . The remainder was to be the new "Jewish Homeland"

Those were the LAST borders accepted by the Arab League. Shouldn't we go back to them?

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Greg F.
Date: 28 Feb 14 - 02:03 PM

Since NO other nation is under that obligation, your singling out Israel for criticism is proof of your anti-Jewish bigotry.

Forgot to thank you Bruce, for your tacit admission that the government of Israel is, in fact, engaged in immoral, unjust, unfair, anti-humanitarian activities, in contradiction and contravention of the teachings of the Torah.

AND that you have no problem with this.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 28 Feb 14 - 02:08 PM

Thank YOU for your tacit admission that you are a religious bight, and are engaged in a hate-campaign against Jews.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 28 Feb 14 - 02:10 PM

And that you are proud of the fact that you hold Jews to standards you refuse to apply to any other group.

Your hate and bigotry is out in the open.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 28 Feb 14 - 02:11 PM

Look up boycott and blockade and get back to me OK?

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Stringsinger
Date: 28 Feb 14 - 02:13 PM

Israel killing kids

This is what's going on.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 28 Feb 14 - 02:14 PM

The government of Israel is under NO obligation to engage in immoral, unjust, unfair, anti-humanitarian activities, in contradiction and contravention of the teachings of the Torah, either- However, YOU have given your tacit approval for any OTHER nation to act that way, as long as it not Jews being allowed to act in self-preservation.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 28 Feb 14 - 02:17 PM

Jack,

Fine, I mis-spoke.

Israel has the right to refuse to allow Palestinian goods and people in, through, or out of Israel, boycotting those peoples that have stated their goal is the destruction of the state of Israel.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 28 Feb 14 - 02:23 PM

Stringsinger,

And YOUR criticism of Hamas and Hezboallah for launching anti-personnel rockets aimed at civilian areas in Israel ( a war crime by all standards?

And your comment on the fact that Hezboallah has claimed to have over 100,000 rockets in Lebanon, in violation of the 2006 Truce terms? And have stated an intent to attack Israeli CIVILIANS with them?


Dead children are fine with you as long as they are Israelis.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 28 Feb 14 - 02:24 PM

Call it what you want, Gaza, Israel and the West Bank of the Jordon River are all the same place all subject to the military rule of the IDF. The Zionists did not clear the original inhabitants when they started to colonize and now it is too late.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 28 Feb 14 - 02:27 PM

But the Arabs Muslims DID clear off the Arab Jews and Christians from the West Bank when they took it militarily in 1948, so it is now OK for them to claim it?

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 28 Feb 14 - 02:37 PM

I think that the morality went out of this conflict long ago and the Zionists were heavily involved in that.

I don't think Israel, as it is today is geopolitically or democratically stable. As ethnic political divisions fade in importance, so will Israel.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 28 Feb 14 - 02:44 PM

I respectfully disagree, both with your evaluation and your conclusions.

The destruction of Israel as a viable state will cause far more suffering in the region as the Sunnis and Shiites fight each other, and wipe out any other groups ( Ba'hai, Christian, Druze, etc).


Syrian Muslims over the last year have killed far more Arab Muslims than Israel has over the last 66 years.

A case could be made that JORDANIAN Muslims have killed more Palestinians than Israel has in total.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Greg F.
Date: 28 Feb 14 - 05:38 PM

Bruce is apparently off his meds again, and is rapidly reverting to the old ranting, slobbering Bull####Bruce personna. Shame, that.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Greg F.
Date: 28 Feb 14 - 05:44 PM

Syrian Muslims over the last year have killed far more Arab Muslims than Israel has over the last 66 years. A case could be made that JORDANIAN Muslims have killed more Palestinians than Israel has in total.

And thus, as far as you are concerned, that makes Israel's killing of Muslims and Palestinians perfectly all right.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Stringsinger
Date: 01 Mar 14 - 10:13 AM

AIPAC down

AIPAC is losing ground.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Greg F.
Date: 01 Mar 14 - 10:30 AM

One can only hope, Strings.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Mar 14 - 07:36 AM

A must for Israeli atrocity apologists - I don't think.
From the Sunday Times Culture supplement:
"Every picture tells...
5 Broken Cameras (BBC4, 10.30pm)
In 2005, Emad Burnat, a Palestinian farmer living in the West Bank, bought a video camera to film his newborn fourth son. He also began filming his fellow villagers' demonstrations against the building of a barrier that cut them off from their land, which was given to Jewish settlers — protests that over five years would involve confrontations with Israeli troops, with activists killed or severely injured, and elicit support for their cause from politicians and foreign volunteers. By turns stirring and shocking, Burnat's remarkable video diary (co-directed by Guy Davidi) was nominated for the best documentary Oscar in 2012. John Dugdale and Helen Stewart"

Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Mar 14 - 07:41 AM

Sorry - omitted to say that the documentary is on BBC4 tomorrow night
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: bobad
Date: 02 Mar 14 - 07:48 AM

Let's call BS on the BDS

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 02 Mar 14 - 08:28 AM

Waste of time, I fear, Bobad. Everyone with a ½d-worth of sense will know that J Carroll & Greg F are Founder Members & Joint Presidents of the much revered [in some ◯s] MMMUPDCMWFS*.

~M~

*My·Mind's·Made·Up·Please·Don't·Confuse·Me·With·Facts Society.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 02 Mar 14 - 08:37 AM

...Which will be Carroll's cue, I daresay, for him to tell me yet again that he & I have nothing to say to one another: an astonishing piece of impertinence whose constant iteration has become a sort of tic of his. So I will point out, yet again, that if he considers himself to have nothing to say to me, that is his privilege; but it confers on him not the remotest right or authority to tell me, or to endeavour to control, to whom I have anything to say; the sole decision as to which shall remain with me, without the leave of him or anybody else.

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: bobad
Date: 02 Mar 14 - 08:38 AM

"There is no need to explain facts to people who clearly don't care about the truth and focus only on bigotry, lies, and anti-Semitic discrimination."

Let's call BS on the BDS

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 02 Mar 14 - 09:24 AM

Good luck with that Bobad.


I read your article.

"Russia is violating Human rights so Israel should be allowed to." is not an argument that sways my thinking. If I had a chance to buy Russian goods. I wouldn't.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Mar 14 - 09:47 AM

*My·Mind's·Made·Up·Please·Don't·Confuse·Me·With·Facts Society."
At least we express our opinions rather than have a couple of morons to take the flak while you stay back at back in the bunker keeping your mind unsullied by argument.
Must be reminiscent of Uni. days, having a couple of fags at your beck-and call again - yarroo, you beast, leggo my ear!!
"If I had a chance to buy Russian goods. I wouldn't"
How do you know you aren't Jack - Russia is on the side of the angels now.
trade
Bet you buy Chinese goods.
Yours as ever,
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: bobad
Date: 02 Mar 14 - 09:48 AM

"Russia is violating Human rights so Israel should be allowed to."

You obviously didn't read the same article or are lying again. This is what it said:

"Last week a big chunk of the world sat glued to their TVs following the Winter Olympics in Sochi, Russia. Not a single country, or any individual athletes, chose to boycott the event. Even though we all know, beyond a reasonable doubt, that the most atrocious human rights violations are taking place on a daily basis in that country.

So. While LGBT-activists were being abducted, raped and beaten in Russia, political activists around the world choose to focus their energy and resources on demonizing the one country in the Middle East where gay people can live freely, safely and openly?"

As is obvious to anyone with minimal comprehension he is pointing out that Israel, unlike Russia, is NOT violating human rights yet it is being vilified while other states that are, in fact egregiously violating human rights are ignored. But you knew that, didn't you?

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Greg F.
Date: 02 Mar 14 - 10:17 AM

My·Mind's·Made·Up·Please·Don't·Confuse·Me·With·Facts Society

Time for BooBad & MGM to look in the mirror once again, methinks, being President and Corresponding Secretary of said society.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Mar 14 - 11:08 AM

"President and Corresponding Secretary of said society."
Nah - Mike prefers to operate from behind the scene and Boo-Boo appears not to have the initiative to join anything without holding someone's hand - I don't think Yogi would have approved - he was a "good bear Mister Ranger".
As for him 'writing' (isn't that what secretaries are supposed to do) - cut-'n-pasting maybe!

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Stringsinger
Date: 02 Mar 14 - 12:17 PM

"As is obvious to anyone with minimal comprehension he is pointing out that Israel, unlike Russia, is NOT violating human rights "

This conclusion operates under the premise that Palestinians are not human and therefore have no rights.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: bobad
Date: 02 Mar 14 - 12:36 PM

The Palestinians in Israel have the same rights as Israelis under the law but let's not let facts get in the way of reality as that would spoil the narrative of those who love to hate Israel.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Mar 14 - 12:50 PM

"Under The Law", Blacks in the U.S. had the same rights as Whites following the ratification of the 15th Amendment on February 3, 1870.

Care to try that again, there, BooBad?

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: bobad
Date: 02 Mar 14 - 01:25 PM

"Under The Law", Blacks in the U.S. had the same rights as Whites following the ratification of the 15th Amendment on February 3, 1870."

And that has what to do with the Palestinians and other non-Jewish Israeli's having equal rights in Israel GooGuest?

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Mar 14 - 02:26 PM

"And that has what to do with the Palestinians and other non-Jewish Israeli's having equal rights in Israel"
Ignoring the situation in Israel, where even some of its own citizens have taken to describing it as an "Apartheid state" does not make your continuing unqualified claim anything other than a lie   
From - the 'Or report':
"Civil rights
Main article: Ethnic discrimination in IsraelDirected at Arabs
The Israeli Declaration of Independence stated that the State of Israel would ensure complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of religion, race or sex, and guaranteed freedom of religion, conscience, language, education and culture.
While formally equal according to Israeli law, a number of official sources acknowledge that Arab citizens of Israel experience discrimination in many aspects of life. Israeli High Court Justice (Ret.) Theodor Or wrote in The Report by the State Commission of Inquiry into the Events of October 2000:[182]
The Arab citizens of Israel live in a reality in which they experience discrimination as Arabs. This inequality has been documented in a large number of professional surveys and studies, has been confirmed in court judgments and government resolutions, and has also found expression in reports by the state comptroller and in other official documents. Although the Jewish majority's awareness of this discrimination is often quite low, it plays a central role in the sensibilities and attitudes of Arab citizens. This discrimination is widely accepted, both within the Arab sector and outside it, and by official assessments, as a chief cause of agitation."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel

http://muse.jhu.edu/login?auth=0&type=summary&url=/journals/israel_studies/v011/11.2or.html

Published March 2011.
The definition of Israel as "the Jewish State" or "the State of the Jewish People" makes inequality a practical, political and ideological reality for Palestinian citizens of Israel.
The State of Israel, as an ethnocracy or "ethnic nationstate", is systematically failing to adopt effective measures to redress the gaps that exist between the Palestinian minority and the Jewish majority. By privileging Jewish citizens in many fields, the state actively preserves and even widens these gaps.

The inequality Report
"The Inequality Report details some of the main legal, political and policy structures that institutionalize and entrench discrimination against the Palestinian minority in Israel."
The Inequality Report

The last time I put up 'The Inequality Report' one of the 'usual suspects' braindead said there was too much to read; another said it couldn't be believed because "it was written by Arabs" - that is how "equal" these twots believe Arabs to be - they don't even believe their own lies.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 02 Mar 14 - 05:14 PM

The thing that really puzzles me is how Mr Carroll J contrives to stagger about the world so insouciantly, under the intolerable weight of that jumbo-size chip that he carries on his shoulder...

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: bobad
Date: 02 Mar 14 - 07:43 PM

The speech that swayed the vote against BDS at UCLA.

Ben Shapiro

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: bobad
Date: 02 Mar 14 - 08:33 PM

The emotional breakdown of a UCLA student after the defeat of the anti-Israel BDS vote:

Waaaah!

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Mar 14 - 03:27 AM

"The thing that really puzzles me is how Mr Carroll "
Not the only thing that puzzles you obviously.
That you and your band of brother choose to ignore the facts of Israeli terrorism doesn't make them any less facts and only serves to underline your own positions as atrocity and ethic-cleansing deniers.
Name calling and insult hurling is no substitute for argument.
You appear to have inherited lack of self respect from your ward - that not -long-enough spoon again - sad!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Mar 14 - 03:30 AM

Name calling and insult hurling is no substitute for argument.

You laughable hypocrite Jim!
No-one is more guilty of that than you!

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Mar 14 - 03:56 AM

No Keith
I have no compunction in giving my opinion of people like yourself (in fact, I quite enjoy doing so) but I never substitute that for argument.
I have just given three links to major examples of inequality in Israel; you, Bob Cherry and Jimminy Cricket choose to ignore those facts; you and Cherry Major hurl insults, Boo-Boo goes his own sweet way with his cut-'n-pastes
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 03 Mar 14 - 04:00 AM

I ignore nothing as you know, Jim, & deplore Israel's actions as much as you. We don't have to go into all that again, becoz it would only be repetition, & you'll only start one of your endless 'lip-service' monologues which are the most boring thing since the works of bloody Brecht. The chip I referred to was your own repetitiveness in yet again having resorted to insulting mockery of the fact that I happen to have had a university education & you haven't ~~ on this occasion, I would add, having ignorantly confused such with a public school education*, which I didn't have.

~M~


*'fags' &c, which one doesn't get at university, as you well know so why go out of your way to appear more pig-ignorant than you actually are?

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Mar 14 - 04:57 AM

"I ignore nothing as you know, Jim, & deplore Israel's actions as much as you."
Yes - we know you don't like olive trees being cut down - which is about as serious an accusation as you have ever made of Israel.
You have allowed Keith the moron to make your case for you and leapt to his defence whenever he got into trouble
On occasion you have resorted suggesting that those of us who feel strongly about Israel's behaviour as anti-Semites and "Jew-baiters"
You are as sad a case as he is a disgusting one
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 03 Mar 14 - 05:24 AM

Those olive-trees stuck in my craw as a peculiarly spiteful manifestation of an overall mistaken approach to the whole situation. I admit that they had a particularly symbolic significance to me; and I constantly refer to them as such, as an indicator of my complete withdrawal of any residual support or feeling of any sort of loyalty to Israel in its present avatar. I think they should be viewed as a sort of synecdoche for the unacceptability of Israel's activities.

But this in no way nullifies the undoubted fact that much expressed opposition to Israel is in fact a not particularly well-disguised form of antisemitism, as was recognised by the European Monitoring Centre on Racism and Xenophobia's 2005 working definition of antisemitism. In which context there are many who feel the terms of the vehement denunciations of the Carroll/Greg·F axis could be viewed as significantly suspect.

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Mar 14 - 06:25 AM

"Those olive-trees stuck in my craw as a peculiarly spiteful manifestation"
Thy offend me to but thay rate small against Sabra Shaitla, the Blockage, the use of chemical weapons.... all of which you have defended with either your total silence or your blanket support for Keith at the very least - praising with faint damns
I am well aware of the anti-Semitism that exists - the latest brand being to describe Israeli atrocities as "Jewish".
Rather than addressing supposed motives for criticism of Israel, why not try addressing the motives themselves - it would make a refreshing change?
"there are many who feel the terms of the vehement denunciations of the Carroll/Greg·F axis could be viewed as significantly suspect"
Actually, there aren't - just you, Keith, Boo Boo and Brucie - the sum total 'gang of four' who consistently defend these recognised atrocities and war crimes - you have the honour of being the first to have ever accused me of Anti - Semitism.
I've always considered it base cowardice to crouch behind six million dead to defend atrocities - as I said - lack of self respect
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 03 Mar 14 - 07:19 AM

It's Mulberry-Bush-time again.

I'm out.

שלום

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Mar 14 - 08:09 AM

"I'm out"
In my recollection you've never been in
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Mar 14 - 10:07 AM

"Under The Law", Blacks in the U.S. had the same rights as Whites following the ratification of the 15th Amendment on February 3, 1870."

And that has what to do with the Palestinians and other non-Jewish Israeli's having equal rights in Israel GooGuest?

If you're thick enough to have to ask what the difference is betweeen laws on the books and laws as implemented and enforced guess you're even more hopeless than folks think.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: bobad
Date: 03 Mar 14 - 10:29 AM

77% of Arab citizens would rather live in Israel than in any other country in the world.