BS: Salmond And Cameron Eurovision Clash

Subject: BS: Salmond And Cameron Eurovision Clash
From: GUEST,Allan Conn
Date: 23 Feb 14 - 05:30 AM

SALMOND AND CAMERON CLASH OVER EUROVISION SONG CONTEST.

The Scottish First Minister has claimed, in the context of the Eurovision Song Contest, that an independent Scotland would be a good thing both for Scotland and the rest of the UK.

"We can all vote for each other" said Mr Salmond, "after all who else votes for the UK at the moment apart from the Irish?"

The Prime Minister, David Cameron, said

"Sorry wouldn't work – won't happen. You've got to realise that we really, really love you ever so much – but if you go independent then there's no way we could possibly vote for you. In fact I'd vote for France or Germany first. By the way do you know my last name is Scottish? I'm ever so proud of that!"

Alastair Darling the leader of the No campaign in Scotland gave his opinion to the Daily Mail which is now the Labour politician's favourite newspaper

"Really it is irelevent…….I can see no way how a future independent Scotland would ever be accepted into the Eurovision fold. Even if it did happen then who would we get to enter for us? Didn't Andy Stewart and that guy out of the Alexander Brothers both die?……..and even if by some miracle we did do well the people of Scotland would never know about it anyway…….after all we'd no longer have electricity or access to TV or the internet."

Several leading Eurovision experts including Johnny Logan, Professor Lulu and Rylan agreed that Scotland would be allowed to join Eurovision and that it would make sense for us all to vote for each other the way the Scandinavian countries and Baltic countries do. However the press in general have decided to hide their comments away in the small print and only give credence to Mr Darling.

David Bowie has vowed that if Scotland stays in the UK then he will enter and win Eurovision for us – and might even actually turn up in person this time especially if it is held in Berlin.

Subject: RE: BS: Salmond And Cameron Eurovision Clash
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 23 Feb 14 - 05:47 AM

And in a breaking news story twist to the saga, Alex Salmond urges voters to trust him to tell Eurovision what they are really going to do after he gets a mandate to force everybody to go along with plan A.

I like the statement by Ed Balls saying he couldn't begin to discuss currency union without a referendum of UK citizens. I am giving an after dinner speech in Edinburgh soon. Royal College recognition is a tangible subject I suppose and I hope an official line by the academy of Royal Colleges is in place so I can side step the subject and just get on with a few knob gags.

Subject: RE: BS: Salmond And Cameron Eurovision Clash
From: DMcG
Date: 23 Feb 14 - 06:09 AM

When the Conservative discuss their Euro vision, I had misunderstood, I see. Maybe I am a Eurosceptic after all.

Subject: RE: BS: Salmond And Cameron Eurovision Clash
From: michaelr
Date: 23 Feb 14 - 02:17 PM

Capercaillie, or perhaps some supergroup organised by Donald Shaw, would be a good choice.

Subject: RE: BS: Salmond And Cameron Eurovision Clash
From: Jim McLean
Date: 23 Feb 14 - 02:19 PM

Did you know that Ian Davidson, the Chairman of the Scottish Affairs Committee in Westminster said that the No campaign had won and the wounded should be bayoneted?
A charming man, MP for Glasgow South West.

Subject: RE: BS: Salmond And Cameron Eurovision Clash
From: bubblyrat
Date: 24 Feb 14 - 05:26 AM

Does the Scottish Assembly , or whatever it's called , have an English Affairs Committee ?

Subject: RE: BS: Salmond And Cameron Eurovision Clash
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 24 Feb 14 - 07:22 AM

Salmond versus Cameron eh ! the clash of the wankers, Cameron is the worst Prime Minister in history and Salmond wants to be king of Scotland, he's aready quit once but came back because he thinks Scotland can't do without him, what a pair of twats.

Neither of them realise the idea of the Eurovision Slop Contest is to lose it so you don't have to go to the expense of hosting it the following year, twats.

Dave H

Subject: RE: BS: Salmond And Cameron Eurovision Clash
From: bubblyrat
Date: 24 Feb 14 - 08:21 AM

I now discover that one of Davis Cameron's ancestors was ; wait for it ! ; MacDuff of Fife , who was an ardent advocate of an INDEPENDENT SCOTLAND !! Howzat ??

Subject: RE: BS: Salmond And Cameron Eurovision Clash
From: Jim McLean
Date: 24 Feb 14 - 03:57 PM

If Scotland becomes independent the first Prime Minster, after the 2016 elections, could possibly be Queen Johann Lamont. By achieving Indepence the SNP's raison d'être will be fulfilled and Scotland will elect a government of the people and although Scotland shows a preference for SNP in Hollywood, the people at still overwhelmingly attached to labour in Westminter elections which will not exist anymore. So talk of Salmond wanting to be King of Scotland is rather silly ... ans is the vision of Queen Johann!

Subject: RE: BS: Salmond And Cameron Eurovision Clash
From: Pete Jennings
Date: 25 Feb 14 - 04:31 AM

If Independence for Scotland means they take the Eurovision Song Contest with them, then they've got my vote...

Subject: RE: BS: Salmond And Cameron Eurovision Clash
From: Teribus
Date: 25 Feb 14 - 06:38 AM

"Cameron is the worst Prime Minister in history"

I agree he's bad but nowhere near as bad as Gordon Brown - He without any shadow of a doubt has been the worst Prime Minister in British history.

Subject: RE: BS: Salmond And Cameron Eurovision Clash
From: GUEST,Troubadour
Date: 25 Feb 14 - 07:07 AM

"Cameron is the worst Prime Minister in history"

Apart from Brown, Blair, Foot, Callaghan, Wilson and Eden!

Subject: RE: BS: Salmond And Cameron Eurovision Clash
From: GUEST,Troubadour
Date: 25 Feb 14 - 07:16 AM

I wonder if the Scots are aware that, following independence they will need Scottish passports until the European Union grants them membership, which could be many years, since Spain will almost certainly veto their application.

Also, they will have no automatic right of entry to European countries (including the UK), and may even need visas to visit some.

Their products may attract duty, rendering them less or even un competitive.

The outlook may be a lot less rosy that Stupid Salmond would like them to believe.

Subject: RE: BS: Salmond And Cameron Eurovision Clash
From: Jim McLean
Date: 25 Feb 14 - 08:25 AM

Oh Troubadour, don't you read anything? Spain has agreed not to interfere in the Scottish issue. For a start their fishermen, denied access to Scottish waters, would almost certainly go bankrupt. The BBC allowed Barroso to make his views known but not the refutation by Jim Currie, the former Director General of the EC who said that Barroso was totally wrong and out of step with the rest of the EC commissioners.
And after a YES vote in the referendum Scotland would have to be ejected from the EU as we are members at the moment. The EU is concerned about expansion and Scotland matches all the criteria necessary. Think how quickly East Germany was allowed to join West Germany and the EU, a matter of months. Read, read, read and don't just believe anything without weighing up all sides, unless of course your eyes and ears are closed to argument as I suspect with you insulting language re Salmond.

Subject: RE: BS: Salmond And Cameron Eurovision Clash
From: GUEST,Troubadour
Date: 25 Feb 14 - 09:31 AM

Actually Jim, I am in favour of Scottish independence, as I have said elsewhere. Hopefully it will mean that I can call myself English again, when filling in forms.

That doesn't mean that I cannot see a few huge pitfalls (among them Ed Balls saying he couldn't begin to discuss currency union without a referendum of UK citizens), which are being very assiduously hidden or ignored by your latter day William Wallace,

Remember what happened to the last one? So little truth told about HIM that Hollywood mistakenly gave him the name which rightly belonged to Robert the Bruce, the man who turned him in.

Subject: RE: BS: Salmond And Cameron Eurovision Clash
From: Jim McLean
Date: 25 Feb 14 - 09:56 AM

You need a history lesson, Troubadour.

Subject: RE: BS: Salmond And Cameron Eurovision Clash
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 25 Feb 14 - 06:59 PM

Michael Foot wasn't a PM. I take it , you're anti Labour troubadour. Did you realise Eden was a tory. the one unfortunate enough to have the yanks shit on him over suez, and exacerbate sixty years of arab/Israeli confrontation.

Subject: RE: BS: Salmond And Cameron Eurovision Clash
From: GUEST,Peter
Date: 26 Feb 14 - 05:44 AM



I wonder if the Scots are aware that, following independence they will need Scottish passports until the European Union grants them membership, which could be many years, since Spain will almost certainly veto their application.

Also, they will have no automatic right of entry to European countries (including the UK), and may even need visas to visit some.

"Up to a point Lord Copper"

Its pretty much a no brainer that Scotland will join the Common Travel Area so photo id such as a driving licence will be needed. Scottish passports will be needed to leave the CTA.

I am grateful that I won't be involved in unbundling any of the various national admin systems such as DVLA.

Subject: RE: BS: Salmond And Cameron Eurovision Clash
From: Eric the Viking
Date: 26 Feb 14 - 06:51 PM

You really haven't got a grip on this have you? You don't know because it isn't common knowledge but all over Scotland small isolated groups of people are secretly being trained to man the wire after independence. There is a rumour going round that even if the locals were able to win the ,"Yes" vote, England will not let the Scots leave the UK. So in preparation weekend camps are being held in quiet locations training people to be underground fighters. Whiskey bottles are being collected and rapidly emptied ready to be filled with our oil from the North Sea to form Molokov cocktails. Rolls and rolls of barbed wire are secretly being moved along with hundreds of thousands of pit props/cut down Scot's pine to hideouts near the borders so that the advancing army from the South can be repulsed and a barricade constructed. The plan is to gather all the shotguns, hunting rifles and sporting guns from the great estates and arm the population. On the West coast I know for certain that there is a giant knitting machine producing a metal net to string across Holy Loch and trap the submarines and local plans exist to overcome the sentries on duty at Lossiemouth, leuchars and an armed SWAK (Special weapons and kilt) team is prepared to grab the regional airports at Aberdeen, Inverness and Wick. The Scotish navy has been secretly steaming up and down the Tay, Spey and Clyde for weeks disguised as Q ships and local ferries. Orkney has stated it will defend it self from all incomers and aligning with the Norwegian government.Shetland is still in darkness and won't break radio silence until the Solstice. With Salmond to lead us into battle and Sturgeon as Colonel in Chief who can fear for the future?

Subject: RE: BS: Salmond And Cameron Eurovision Clash
From: Eric the Viking
Date: 26 Feb 14 - 07:02 PM

PSSt..................Julie Fowlis to win Eurovision !!

Subject: RE: BS: Salmond And Cameron Eurovision Clash
From: akenaton
Date: 26 Feb 14 - 07:26 PM

Well said Big Al!! :0)
We'll make you an honorary Scot after the big day.

That's you an' Readwulf....we cant go wrong!

Subject: RE: BS: Salmond And Cameron Eurovision Clash
From: Jim McLean
Date: 27 Feb 14 - 04:02 AM

Yes, Eric, I think I read that in the latest Better Together handout, along with losing the BBC and paying to breath the air if you're too near the border.

Subject: RE: BS: Salmond And Cameron Eurovision Clash
From: GUEST,Seaham Cemetry
Date: 27 Feb 14 - 04:12 AM

Reading this thread, I notice that calling Foot an ex Prime Minister isnt the only inaccurate claim here.

Spain has made it quite clear that they wouldn't automatically block an application by Scotland to join. Quite so. They made it quite clear that an application is just that, and get to the back of the queue.

Don't confuse reality with Salmondbollox. Spain has repeated that it will block any attempt by Scotland for fast track or de facto membership, as that could encourage Catalonia. Catalonia cannot exit Spain, as you cannot put all your Basques in one exit. (Sorry.)

Membership application time is about ten years.

Oh, and Germany will veto any application that does not adopt the Euro.

By the way, the East v West Germany scenario isnt an example Mr McClean. An existing member expanded its borders (legally in Germany's case for the first time in its history,) and changed its name. Both permissable under The Treaty of Rome.

It is staggering the bollox the Scottish electorate are being fed.

Subject: RE: BS: Salmond And Cameron Eurovision Clash
From: Musket
Date: 27 Feb 14 - 04:59 AM

Yo men in skirts! (It'll never catch on.)

And here at the Eurovision voting, the vote is coming in from Standard Life!

Hello Standard Life!

hello Dublin / Helsinki whatever.

Can we have your points for Scotland please?

Mmmfffrr

Hello? Did you just say Nul Pwoi?

No we said

Bye Bye! Thanks for the haggis!

Subject: RE: BS: Salmond And Cameron Eurovision Clash
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 27 Feb 14 - 05:41 AM

Guest,Peter:
Its pretty much a no brainer that Scotland will join the Common Travel Area so photo id such as a driving licence will be needed. Scottish passports will be needed to leave the CTA.

You're obviously assuming that Scots will embark for the continent from Scottish, rather than English, ports. The UK is not part of the CTA.

Subject: RE: BS: Salmond And Cameron Eurovision Clash
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Feb 14 - 06:58 AM

"Michael Foot wasn't a PM. I take it , you're anti Labour troubadour. Did you realise Eden was a tory. the one unfortunate enough to have the yanks shit on him over suez, and exacerbate sixty years of arab/Israeli confrontation"

No, I'm anti fool and pro socialist. Labour hasn't been truly socialist since Clement Attlee, Wilson was a crook, Callaghan a fool, Blair and Brown ersatz Tories and incompetent to boot, which means I haven't had any real socialists to vote for.

As for Eden, yes, I know he was a Tory, but he was as much to blame for his weak and feeble handling of Suez as the Yanks.

The only spark of hope in that lot died when John Smith checked out. He was the best PM we never had.

I don't want always to be choosing between "Bad" and "Worse".

"Good" and "Better" should be what we're aiming for and it's up to us to make it happen, instead of sitting back and slinging mud at the other side!

Subject: RE: BS: Salmond And Cameron Eurovision Clash
From: Jim McLean
Date: 27 Feb 14 - 07:33 AM

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nBH55ZeZU4w

Now we know!

Subject: RE: BS: Salmond And Cameron Eurovision Clash
From: Jim McLean
Date: 27 Feb 14 - 11:02 AM

In reply to Standard Life's "could, maybe" transferring business to England, credit rating agency Standard and Poor said an independent Scotland would benefit from "all the attributes of an investment-grade sovereign credit" due to its "wealthy" economy, skilled workforce and flexible markets.

However, the US-based agency also raised concerns over comparatively high levels of public debt, sensitivity to oil prices and "potentially limited" monetary flexibility.

It said there would be "volatility" if banks decided to leave, but added: "If this were to happen, it could bring benefits in terms of reducing the size of the Scottish economy's external balance sheet, normalizing the size of its financial sector, and reducing contingent liabilities for the state.

"In short, the challenge for Scotland to go it alone would be significant, but not unsurpassable."