BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 02 Apr 14 - 02:38 PM

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Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Jeri
Date: 02 Apr 14 - 02:36 PM

I find it oddly appropriate that this thread points to a symbolic proof of evolution.
A mutant form of Mudcatter, known as 'obstreperous prick', by its nature, poisons the environment. This results in other, less hardy forms of Mudcatter seeking refuge in other environments and so gradually becoming extinct here.

Or in other words, when enough people piss in the pool, the only people left will be those who like to swim in piss. Not a whole lot different than the theory that eventually cockroaches will be the only living thing on Earth, although roaches won't have caused the environmental toxicity... but the roaches aren't intellectually advanced enough to care, either.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 02 Apr 14 - 02:35 PM

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Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Bill D
Date: 02 Apr 14 - 02:33 PM

Oh my... Stu offered an essay by Stephen Fry to illustrate a point I have made several times here myself... that there is a "cultural difference" between Brits & Americans in matters of "robust debate".

Fry says early on... "We must begin with a few round truths about myself: when I get into a debate I can get very, very hot under the collar, very impassioned, and I dare say, very maddening, for once the light of battle is in my eye I find it almost impossible to let go and calm down. I like to think I'm never vituperative or too ad hominem but I do know that I fall on ideas as hungry wolves fall on strayed lambs and the result isn't always pretty. This is especially dangerous in America."
He then goes on to describe a debate about 'climate change' with an American who, he explains, had a certain vested interest in being a denier. THEN he takes the fact that this denier reacted poorly to having his position being dissected and critiqued as a basic generalization about cultural differences.
   During the explication, Fry lays out his points in a careful schema, describing in clear detail the relevance of each one and very coherently showing what the debate means and the reasonable ways to approach it. BRAVO! Fry did a fine job of showing why 'Jim', the American, had a flawed & dangerous position...........however....

I thought the point of the essay was to describe those awkward "cultural differences"! All Fry did was to describe ONE sorry example of an American who was too financially committed to his own position to see ANY alternative views!
In his opening, Fry suggests that his own 'technique' (read: standard habit) is to " fall on ideas as hungry wolves fall on strayed lambs ". May we assume that this is how he conducted the exchange with the (admittedly dense) American? If so, all *I* see is one "Obstreperous Prick" who happens to be 'right' using the worst possible approach to combating another one!
Where is it written that openly describing and admitting one's disposition: getting "...very, very hot under the collar, very impassioned, and I dare say, very maddening..." can function as excusing one's disposition? Fry seems to indicated that 'Jim' did not appreciate being taken to task for his weak position....Fry says: " I too was upset and angry at his dismissive, illogical, contemptuous tone.".
    Very little is said about HOW 'Jim' expressed his "dismissive, illogical, contemptuous tone." We can only assume he refused to 'play the game' that Fry introduced and would not 'reply in kind' with his own hot, impassioned rejoinders. Gee... I can't imagine why not!

Fry says at the end.."Fierce overheated evenings are needed at evening meals all over the world."...well, perhaps so... but why OVERheated? Why not just heated? Passion for one's position should BE expressed... but if one enters the discussion convinced that has the infallible, righteous view-- and the opponent does also-- how is progress possible? Just "having the debate" and throwing opposing position AT each other almost never accomplishes any compromise or fosters even an understanding OF the other's position. In the case of 'Jim', I can barely imagine a reasoned explication such as Fry made (whether calm or heated) making any inroads ... and, people being people, being yelled usually produces the opposite reaction.
I dunno... perhaps in Britain, just engaging and practicing the invective IS an end in itself, and no one 'really' expects to 'win' (i.e. convince the opponent).... therefore let's just hone OUR points as loudly as possible and achieve some introspective satisfaction that we "did not suffer fools" and impressed the audience with our cleverness.

Gee... I wonder what it would be like to have THIS discussion with Stephen Fry.... I shudder to think....

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 02 Apr 14 - 02:28 PM

The secret of a good stewpot is to give it the occasional stir.

The decanter has a rather good late port in it. Never meant to be that way. The decanter is supposed to be an ornament but the cork split whilst opening the bottle.

You see, you should always be normal (pour from the bottle) but if something breaks (cork, decency) you should have an ornament to hand that is suitable (decanter, f'ing and blinding).

Or some such bollocks.



Sorry. Rather pissed off. Still at Kings Cross. Supposed to be supporting my local folk club 150 miles North tonight. Looks like nicking Michael's cooking sherry and watching the recorded MasterChef instead.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 02 Apr 14 - 02:19 PM

Fascinating, Musket. What are you cooking it with? Or do you mean you keep saying "Rershy. Herrys. Yrhser"?

Well whatever stirs your decanter...

Or supplies your stewpot...

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 02 Apr 14 - 02:10 PM

It seems as if this Obstreperous Prick Club is actually quite elite and exclusive. I'd like to become a member please, but maybe I'm not entitled as I haven't been posting for years and years like some of you. Perhaps I could start at the lower level and become a Sanctimonious Opinionated Self-Satisfied Asshole (Arsehole for the Brits)

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 02 Apr 14 - 02:05 PM

I keep saying it and I'll say it again.

Cooking sherry....

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 02 Apr 14 - 01:45 PM

Richard ~~ Re yours of 0637, which I take addressed to me, as it fairly closely follows my "OLP [Official Legendary Pedant]" post(& can one, I ask, be a legendary pedant and a real one at the same time? Are not the adjectives mutually exclusive?),

"A REAL pedant would have made use of the alternative structure for clarification purposes." --

Alternative structure to what?

Alternative to what structure?

Clarification of what?

Interested in your use of word 'structure'. When there was this thing that Saussure, Lacan, Derrida, Althusser, Foucault, Luce Irigaray & all them pseuds were pursuing snark-like thru the ringing groves and gardens and forests of Eng Lit back in the 50s-80s, called structuralism, post-structuralism, antedisepoststruc... [cont p 94], I used always to try & read all about it, but would always come away with the conviction that their purpose was to supply answers to questions that nobody had asked, and nobody in right mind would ever even think of asking... So is your comment, which tho not explicitly interrogative gives rise to interrogative response, to be subsumed in this category? & if not, why not?

ANSWER! ANSWER!

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 02 Apr 14 - 01:35 PM

Don't need to PM-
just count multiple responses to your thread.




(Richard, where can I get one of those T-shirts? Prefer colors reversed, though)

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Apr 14 - 01:27 PM

The X9 only goes from Bude to Exeter! Well, and t'other way, of course.

The moderation here is a complete puzzle to me. Sometimes it happens, sometimes it doesn't. Were I a tad more uncharitable than I am, going from their erratic recent behaviour I could conclude that some of the moderators prefer the homophobes, misogynists, religious bigots, creationists, evolution-deniers, racists, misrepresenters and liars to the few of us who call out the homophobes, misogynists, religious bigots, creationists, evolution-deniers, racists, misrepresenters and liars and tell them what gits they are. I scratch my head as I ask meself which one of those two categories of people really drags down the tone of the place.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 02 Apr 14 - 01:06 PM

Oh, two thanks Steve - one for the limerick which I must remember for the next time I do the limericks song.

Anent offensiveness, I have a T-shirt that some find offensive. Black T-shirt, large white letters saying "S&M". But when you look more closely it says "Sausage & Mash".

By and large I do not find the moderation here prissy - save on the subject of that which we are not allowed to mention.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Apr 14 - 12:06 PM

Exeter's only a short trip on the X9 bus

Doesn't that depend where you start from?

Noreen - Lighten up. There are music VENUES, never mind web sites, with more nastiness than here.

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Apr 14 - 11:56 AM

Don't wave it about, you'll get begging letters

Cheers for the compliment!

There was a young woman from Exeter
So lovely that men craned their necks at 'er
One was even so brave
As to take out and wave
The distinguishing mark of his sex at 'er

(Exeter's only a short trip on the X9 bus...)

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Apr 14 - 11:52 AM

No need to answer, but I wonder what you're finding so deeply depressing about the thread so far. It was started by a mod, it has a rude word in the title (which might have warned the easily-offended not to open it), it contains some banter but also some honest comment.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 02 Apr 14 - 11:26 AM

Oh please don't be so thick
a prick is still a prick
A jerk is still a jerk
No matter what you decry
being rude is rude no matter why
Don't blame it on the other guy
Childishness is never wry
As time goes buy.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: GUEST,Noreen at work
Date: 02 Apr 14 - 10:54 AM

I find this thread - or more specifically some of the responses- deeply depressing.

Unfortunately the nastiness does NOT stay below the line. I open very few BS threads, and certainly not the obvious politics/ creationism etc. titles, but the nasty posts leak out.

If it was up to me I wouldn't have any of those "rough and tumble" threads here at all- why should we, it's a Music site!

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Musket
Date: 02 Apr 14 - 10:40 AM

BUT IS THE HORSE'S PRICK OBSTREPEROUS?

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Musket
Date: 02 Apr 14 - 10:28 AM

Don't wave it about, you'll get begging letters

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Apr 14 - 10:09 AM

This sausage I just bought in Mrs Miggins' pie shop looks suspiciously like a horse's willy to me...

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Apr 14 - 09:42 AM

Oooooooh, Sausage, Nudge, nudge. Wink, wink, Oo-er Missus. Now you've done it...

D.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Musket
Date: 02 Apr 14 - 09:34 AM

I had sausage & mash last night, if it helps.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Apr 14 - 09:30 AM

No-one corrected me for typing "continuously" when I should have typed "continually". I am utterly, mortally offended by this and I'm going to just keep clicking on this thread and threads like it so that I can keep on being mortally offended and end up calling people twats. I wonder whether The Daily Mash will have me.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Musket
Date: 02 Apr 14 - 08:49 AM

Absolutely Ed. Mrs Musket comes from down south and is proud that I can get a northern audience laughing their heads off with a quick joke between songs, but be buggered if she gets some of them.

(Not funny when you explain them either, which then begs the question.....)

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Ed T
Date: 02 Apr 14 - 08:44 AM

Even within a country, differences exist as to humour and insults. Canada is an example, where many English speaking francophone Canadians are puzzled by British humour, as anglo Canadians are puzzled and "underwhelmed" by Quebec swear words, that are mainly based on religion.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 02 Apr 14 - 08:37 AM

Hear, hear! Mr Shaw.

And there I am trying to stay out of this after the ruthless extermination of what was shaping up to be a very nice thread as well. What I find deeply offensive around here is the predominating pastoral paternalism from the Mods. I come to Mudcat for the low-life rough and tumble, not to hob-nob with the glitterati, much less the elite 'Old Timers', whoever the fuck they might be.

People leave Mudcat not because of the rites & riots, rather because of the prissy policing policies. Why they come is surely more important - or the fact they are here at all... Me, I come here for the general Crack (note spelling, folksy theme pub habitues) which is more than canny most of the time, though I'm aware the nuances will be mostly lost on such literalists that make a career of taking personal offense where none is ever intended, or else passing a more serious judgement (I suspect this thread has nothing to do with April 1st - I so hope I'm wrong, you chaps!) than you'll find in the most - er - spirited tête-à-tête, such as provoked The Inquisition to slash the Creationism thread.

For shame! I cry. For mercy too, and for pity's sake, give it a break!

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Musket
Date: 02 Apr 14 - 08:32 AM

Separated by a common language, not to mention approach...

I recall the creator of The Simpsons in an interview on the radio when he was over here saying that the script writers try to write at as many levels as they can, including what he felt was British humour. (As opposed to American humor..)

He said that his test was that it was funny in The UK as well as North America. For that, there had to be understatement, letting a comment hang from time to time with no punchline and sophisticated sarcasm.

I don't try to analyse so much. That Monty Python and Mr Bean are popular the other side of the pond could be that those performing fit a stereotype people would be familiar with, whereas Last of The Summer Wine didn't sell in the same way, despite huge popularity in many other countries. (When there was American backing to film Wallace & Grommit, Wererabbit, I often wondered if jokes such as Eyup magazine, SMUG refrigerator or Grommit nursing his marrow prior to the veg competition would cross the pond...)

Comedy and humour aside, Steve is right. There are some people who use the oxygen of an audience for their hatred and obscene take on life, and here, some people are too nice to tell them to fuck off. Which only goes to encourage them.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Ed T
Date: 02 Apr 14 - 08:04 AM

And, then there is the stereotype Canadian approach to debate, where everyone seems to be trying to be "nice" to everyone involved:)

As to cultural differences, when British people use an insult, the choice of terms seems somwhat "funny" to many Canadians I know. Especially those exlosed to Monty Python. It's difficult to take the terms seriously, as they do not seem to be genuine "cussing" terms.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Stu
Date: 02 Apr 14 - 07:38 AM

I think there is a cultural difference between the British and Americans when it comes to robust debate, as Stephen Fry commented on it with his usual insight here: http://www.stephenfry.com/2007/11/19/getting-overheated/3/

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Apr 14 - 07:13 AM

Only a prick would try to fool innocent mudcatters. ;)

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Apr 14 - 07:13 AM

Hmm. The irony is that many - not all - of the people who this thread's complainants have in mind (but lack the the balls to name, of course -'twas ever thus) are some of the most thoughtful and fair-minded and free-thinking people here. Unfortunately, these latter have one fault: they will not not suffer quietly religious bigots, creationists, evolution-deniers, atheist-demonisers, thread-starting tarts, serial misrepresenters, far-right backwoodsmen, homophobes, misogynists, liars, racists, apologists for countries who deal in repression of minority ethnic groups and defenders of child-abusing anti-education perpetrated by organised religion. They call a spade a spade and a wanker a wanker - and will always say why. Contrast that with the pusillanimous and disingenuous yearners for a golden age that never existed who make unsupported claims about why people stop posting on forums (I've stopped posting on forums, or on individual threads, myself on many occasions, nearly always because I was getting bored). Many of the below-line discussions that turn controversial endure an abysmal level of debate. I'd like to suggest that that's a major reason why people are often tempted to stop posting. However (and I've said it, and others have said it, so many times it's beginning to sound banal): if you don't care for what you're reading, don't read it. It really is as simple as that. I hate the Daily Mail so I don't bloody read the Daily Mail (I get to see a copy about once every two months when I'm waiting to get my hair cut, just sufficient to refresh my disdain for the thing). The above-line discussions seem to thrive well enough to me, so just don't come down here if you don't like it. We can fester very nicely here below thank you without your coming to whinge about how much we're offending you (and it really isn't that bad compared with a hell of a lot of online offerings). If you continuously click on threads that you know are probably going to offend you, well you may need to question your own sanity!

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: IanC
Date: 02 Apr 14 - 06:47 AM

I think someone mentioned above that the statue of limitations on this thread ran out at 12:00 noon on the 1st of April.

Perhaps it's time to say "April Fool!".

;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 02 Apr 14 - 06:37 AM

A REAL pedant would have made use of the alternative structure for clarification purposes.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Ed T
Date: 02 Apr 14 - 04:24 AM

"Honour loses its 'u' in many of its variants.
Honorary, honorific, honorarium and honorand all lose it.
Honourable and honoured retain it"

Is that true (except possibly in the USA)?

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 02 Apr 14 - 03:47 AM

Of course we can't. That would be a Bridge too far!...

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 02 Apr 14 - 03:43 AM

Ca we nominate ourselves, or do we have to have a proposer and seconder?

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 02 Apr 14 - 12:37 AM

The Dan ranking system.

We've lost a lot of good members because they can't tolerate the shit stirred up by a few trolls in the BS that occasionally bleeds over into the music threads. Personally, I'd rather keep the good ones and toss the bad ones. The stalking that some of those folks practice is frustrating - no one can read every thread and keep track of who is following whom around and pissing on their discussions, so some people leave rather than bring it up to moderators to try to address.

If we ever take it to a vote, I would choose members only in BS, with the possible exception of GUESTS who ALWAYS use the same name (we can confirm that via IP).

My two cents. Mick already knows who I would nominate for the BBOPoMC.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 02 Apr 14 - 12:21 AM

Worrabout the [what a poster once defined me as] those whose "pedantry is legendary"? Whence the qualification I add after my signature to posts where appropriate,

~Michael~ OLP ['Official Legendary Pedant'].


In which particular, Greg F: the word you sought above which is synonymous to 'relevant' [even overlooking obtrusive-letter typos] is 'germane'; no relation, in spite of all temptations, to the egregious Miss Greer...

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: michaelr
Date: 02 Apr 14 - 12:03 AM

It's entropy. The inexorable decline of everything. No point in fighting it.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Bill D
Date: 01 Apr 14 - 11:08 PM

tried to post 2 hours ago, but Mudcat was like molasses.

hmmm...

As a senior member of Mudcat who has been a member from even earlier (Nov.'96) (Bert beat me) than the earliest days, I might have to offer some nominations...

Problem is, there's categories, as well as Dan levels. There are 'sanctimonious crusaders' with have causes who can turn any topic into their inevitable channel... there are 'malevolent trolls' who seem to look for ways to bait the unwary by exaggerated arguments.. there are the 'ethnically humorous' who use (often very) clever wit to play some personal game of debating by creative insult... there are the 'simply contentious' who seldom say anything that is not sarcastic or critical... and there are the Jekyll/Hyde 'hail fellow/good guys' who can become arm-waving threats in response to some perceived fault in the poster's intent....etc.

I do wonder at some of the real problems...like the "Once Famous" Martin Gibson, who seemed at times like he was trying to win a bet about how long he'd be tolerated.

You can probably add to the list.. or even do a better job of expressing mine.... and perhaps you wear one of those categories as a badge of honor.. ☺

(I wonder if there's a category for excessively garrulous explication? Maybe I'd better go check my PMs)

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Rapparee
Date: 01 Apr 14 - 09:09 PM

Good thinking, Mick. I salute you. It's better than what I all 'em: REMFs.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: JennieG
Date: 01 Apr 14 - 08:11 PM

Excellent idea, Mick - I salute you. As a member now of 14 years' standing (by gosh my feet get sore from all that standing sometimes) I recall the Mudcat of yore with great fondness. There was name-calling, but it was good natured and in fun rather than in malice.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 01 Apr 14 - 08:00 PM

not sure this is going to herald a new golden age of us all being nice to each other.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Jeri
Date: 01 Apr 14 - 07:59 PM

Why are you here, Greg? Seriously, I don't want you to answer here. I only want you to think about it.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Greg F.
Date: 01 Apr 14 - 07:55 PM

Keep manning the barricades against the barbarian hordes, Jeri.

By the way, I never got your permission to post. Can you process that a bit more quickly?

Thanks.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Jeri
Date: 01 Apr 14 - 07:41 PM

I wonder if the pricks ever think about why they're at Mudcat, come up with "I hate the people here and my purpose in life is to bitch-slap them repeatedly" and think that's just fine. I have to look at what I've been feeling about these people and wonder if that's how THEY got to be so nasty. It's not fine, but it's becoming standard around here, and there are fewer and fewer who choose to stand outside the fire.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Greg F.
Date: 01 Apr 14 - 06:44 PM

You tell 'em, BooBad!!

Now for something getrmaine, what about the "Small Hope For Israel/Palestine" thread ?

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: bobad
Date: 01 Apr 14 - 06:25 PM

"But what would one call a sanctimonious, opinionated, holier-than-thou self-satisfied asshole?"

Zombie chihuahua works for me.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Greg F.
Date: 01 Apr 14 - 06:14 PM

Thanks Mick, much appreciated. No need to be coy - by all means distribute your "honors"{?} publicly - and be damned.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Big Mick
Date: 01 Apr 14 - 05:51 PM

But what would one call a sanctimonious, opinionated, holier-than-thou self-satisfied asshole?

Thank you for asking, Greg F. As I contemplate that, it would seem that person would probably classed as a ninth or tenth dan. By the way, you will be pleased to know that you are on the short list for that honor. But I won't reveal if you have attained that honor here.