BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Bert
Date: 12 Jul 14 - 12:32 AM

I know this young lady who was on conventional anti nausea medication for her first pregnancy and she lost the baby.

The next time, a certain Grandparent suggested a puff or two to control the nausea. It worked fine, and worked for the next one as well. She now has two healthy children due to pot. She would have had three if pot had been legal earlier.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: gnu
Date: 11 Jul 14 - 05:00 PM

Thanks, Q but, no thanks. I read up on it and it says I must not be pregnant nor get pregnant. >;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 11 Jul 14 - 01:51 PM

Gnu, The Mayo Clinic has information on nearly all drugs, use and side effects.
The article on marijuana (pot) details all of the experimental results, sorted by the disorder or complaint.

Well-worth reading.
http://www.mayoclinic.org/drugs-supplements/marijuana/evidence/hrb-20059701

I use Arthrotec for joint pain (arthritis and osteoporosis). Works for me, but may not for everyone.
You can look that up on the Mayo Clinic site also.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: gnu
Date: 11 Jul 14 - 01:49 PM

Good advice, meself. Fact is, I would only medicate after I was 'in for the day'. Say, mid afternoon. That is when my pain from the strain on my spine catches up to me and I just want to lay down again. I figure, at that time, if I gotta go anywhere by auto, it will be an emergency and I can call a cab. My question will be, "Can I drive between 6 AM and 2 PM?" Of course, I suppose they may not be able to answer and it may well come down to me actually assessing the situation as it unfolds... in other words... what you said.

Thanks.

BTW. Anyone got a belt, a bottle of whiskey and a hacksaw? I need my left leg amputated RFN! It's no good to me right now as I can barely sit let alone walk any distance.

Hmmm... I wonder if there is HST on that. Ya never know with the government eh?

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: gnu
Date: 11 Jul 14 - 11:58 AM

Got the info package from Tweed (Ontario). Good Lord! It's THICK.

Just the privacy policy was a half our read. The info for physicians is mostly from the Health Canada website but they have included their own research reviews for a number of specific diseases and ills, including chronic pain resulting from various diseases and that's what ails me.

Of course, I will still have questions for each producer after I review the material. This will also allow me to evaluate the medical staffs as well.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: meself
Date: 11 Jul 14 - 11:58 AM

Re: driving. Speaking to the world in general, I would say do not drive while under the influence of marijuana. Speaking to you as an individual, I would say, firstly, check around for research on the subject; beyond that, do a self-assessment: if after smoking/consuming marijuana, you feel euphoric effects, abnormal relaxation, distortion of perception - if things are pleasantly fuzzy or blurry -, and/or unusually-intense focus on specific things - music, the lights on the stereo, etc. - then, definitely, do not drive. If you have none of those effects, then ... well, you decide .....

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: gnu
Date: 11 Jul 14 - 09:39 AM

Hmmm. I suppose I will have a lot more questions after I get the info but FYI Canucks...

Email 2014.07.10 :

Hi Gary,

Health Canada is no longer involved in the registration process. The LP's are the companies who will now register you. We at Delta 9 would register you. You will no longer receive any paperwork from Health Canada.

I have attached a copy of our product catalogue for you to view at your convenience. The catalogue includes the strains we offer, their cannabinoid profile, the price as well the potential medical benefits and potential treatments for each strain.
If you have any other questions, let me know.

Sincerely,

Gillian Bridges
Delta 9 Bio-Tech Customer Care

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: michaelr
Date: 08 Jul 14 - 06:44 PM

You should never drive while under the influence.

That said, I do just fine...

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: gnu
Date: 08 Jul 14 - 03:36 PM

I now have info coming by email and snail mail from 8 licenced producers. This decision is not easy so I am covering all the bases.

I need one last question answered and I think it's the crux of the biscuit... can I drive an auto? If not, it's trash to me.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: gnu
Date: 08 Jul 14 - 01:35 PM

Well. I have gathered LOT of info and got a chance to talk to a doc (long time buddy) today and his response was almost shocking. He launched into a semi-tirade about the government and big pharma making money for something people can grow for free... all three times I spoke, when all I wanted to know was "Is it good for X, Y, and Z." I listened intently and nodded and agreed a lot. Then, I finally said, "Do you approve of it and do you think it would be good for me?" "Yes. Certainly." "So, if I finally decide I wanna try it after I get the info (by snail mail) from the various producers, you would fill out the forms?" "Yes, but I can't." ??? Apparently, the government, even though they have standard form requirements and regulations in place, has not set up a system to process the forms. So, I remarked that such seemed odd.

Here we go again. I'll try to put it in a nutshell. He said that the government has had SO many applications from potential producers that they have to find a way to keep the number of licences down so big pharma and the politicians make money from it. He was a very unhappy camper about the whole situation. So much so that he talked also about shale gas and the lumbering industry in total disgust.

We then both loaded up on cold (no tax) chicken wings... 20 for $10 bucks! Great price for a reward treat when my dieting goes well. I bought 60 for the freezer. Glad I don't have any pot yet. >;-)

Oh, I should mention. One of the producers I spoke with has a strain that is very low in THC and high in CBDs and that suits me because ya get a very slight buzz but more medicinal benefits... of course, the guy at customer service is a salesman so... Salesman's puffing? (Yeah, I meant to play that pun. Good shot, I think.)

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Crowhugger
Date: 25 Jun 14 - 05:23 PM

Yes I did read everything before posting...perhaps I took your tone to be more negative than you felt. Anyhow no worries, it's just a hazard of the written word.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: gnu
Date: 25 Jun 14 - 03:35 PM

Re the last two posts... yeah... that's what I have asked/said from the OP on. HiLo... did you read my post that said if I get the prescription I then get to investigate further with a trained RN before I decide to actually fill the prescription and proceed to see if there is a possibility of pot helping me? Maybe I didn't post that but I haven't been smoking dope yet so I can't imagine I didn't mention it due to lack of memory (that's on my list of questions as well). I would go back and review my posts but the World Cup is on and that limits my time eh? Argentina look sharp. Let's see what France does starting in about a half hour. Then, the Old English that some call Germans play USA tomorrow and I am salivating over that one.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Crowhugger
Date: 25 Jun 14 - 02:19 PM

gnu, fwiw maybe keep in mind that no medication, no matter how well researched or how widely used, does what it's prescribed for 100% of the time or in 100% of users. A lot of percentages are (IMO) foolishly low - 20% or 30% of patients benefit, or fewer - yet these drugs get approved and become widely used on a "give it a try" basis. So I figure, if you can get pot one way or another, why not just try it? Medications' intended effects & side effects also do vary depending whether ingested, injected or inhaled or contact-absorbed thru' skin or rectum, so maybe also try both eating and smoking. Heck, I guess one could even make a tea and try an enema if one wished to.
Point being: I love that you are going for peer reviewed research as your primary source of information. Far more useful than click-bait masquerading as information. Yet statistical likelihoods don't affect your pain level, so all that info is not as important as whether or not the substance helps YOU plus your choice whether or not you're willing to live with its trade-offs.
I know chronic pain all too well and hope you find a way to mitigate it that suits you.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 25 Jun 14 - 08:09 AM

I have educated myself rather a lot on this subject, including the Health Canada site/ All I was trying to say was that medical trials have not been conducted to any great extent. Therefore, Doctors would find it hard to prescribe in terms of dosages and would likely hesitate to "guess" what is appropriate.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: gnu
Date: 25 Jun 14 - 06:21 AM

"However, said person had to stop for legal reasons having to do with the nature of person's employment." You got it. Even tho I am retired, I worked damn hard to get my Iron Ring and I don't wanna lose it.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: meself
Date: 25 Jun 14 - 01:22 AM

I don't get it, gnu - you've always come on like a regular Maritime guy - and you're saying you can't for the life of you find a puff? I don't believe it. If you don't have any friends that indulge, take half an hour and go down to the nearest tavern - ask around - shouldn't take more than 5 or 10 minutes .... Then give the stuff a try - it ain't gonna kill yuh. If it helps with the pain, great, do it again. If it doesn't - end of story.

Someone I was close to used it for pain, when nothing else worked; found it worked well. However, said person had to stop for legal reasons having to do with the nature of person's employment.

Don't get what all the angst is about. (No need to explain, though).

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Jun 14 - 01:05 AM

Works for me!

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Jun 14 - 09:29 PM

BWL, great to see you post. Trust you're well and making music.

The Pluto thing: It is usually used in a construct such as "Two tokes and I was changing spark plugs on Pluto." Obviously hyperbole, because most the smokers I know prefer to keep their consumption down to a single toke which gets them to Saturn where they change tires on the old Indian motorcycles or '67 Mustangs that got trapped in the rings.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: gnu
Date: 24 Jun 14 - 02:14 PM

HiLo... check out the Health Canada website and read the reams of research done around the world. I have, for about 5 months. I was triggered to do so when the Canuck government announced the new regulations. My reasoning is that thinks it's 'good', know it's good or wanna make $ off it. If it's $, it can't do any harm, right? Oh, yeah, booze and smokes. Definitely a consideration. I must add, as I said in the fracking thread, don't ask me to post all of the links... if ya wanna educate yourself, do so.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Bert
Date: 24 Jun 14 - 09:51 AM

Sorry to hear that you are in pain gnu. Give it a try, it is pretty harmless stuff.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 24 Jun 14 - 09:48 AM

There are many doctors who probably will not prescribe this as it is not proven to be effective. Also, there has been no research into side effects, placebo effect or what ailments it actually relieves.
Far more work needs to be done in order for medical doctors to feel comfortable in prescibing it for patients. At least. that is what I have learned from reading about it and talking to doctors.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 24 Jun 14 - 09:41 AM

Change spark plugs on Pluto (very good)

Are you talking about the planetoid Pluto, or about Mickey Mouse's dog? Performing a spark plug change on either would require extreme alteration of one's state of consciousness, but the exact nature of that change would be totally different for each of the two operations. Working on the demoted former planet would require an extensive journey into outer space, whereas working on the Disney dog would require entering a cartoon universe a la Who Framed Roger Rabbit?. The two processes require equally strong but very different strains of pot.

I suppose asking why either would require a spark plug change begs the question, doesn't it?

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: gnu
Date: 24 Jun 14 - 07:41 AM

Well, I am damn aggravated but still kinda vertical. >;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: bbc
Date: 24 Jun 14 - 02:10 AM

Have a friend who finds it effective for vertigo, which may be brought on or aggravated by stress.

bbc

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: ChanteyLass
Date: 23 Jun 14 - 09:28 PM

If you do take it, I hope it works for you.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: gnu
Date: 23 Jun 14 - 06:29 PM

Yes, Bert. That plus a number of other ailments, according to the Health Canada website (tho it's sketchy at times??? - kinda like the Bible tells you one thing here and another thing there) and the hundred or so other websites I have been to... tho, many of those don't support their claims with peer reviewed research so I put little stock in them. I'd say there are only about 20 of the sites I have visited that I feel comfortable trusting. Most are... "My uncle cured his cancer with 5 doses of hemp oil..." or some such. Bullshit. If I see it in a peer reviewed medical journal, fine. Otherwise, it wastes my time.

In the end, I am willing to proceed with getting the prescription and then getting more questions answered before I actually decide to try it. I think (hope) my doc will say yes. Fer gosh sakes, I have refused to take a lot of meds that have been prescribed for me over the years just on face value. I still have four pain killer containers that I never took any of after 4 separate operations. 'Temporary severe pain' doesn't phase me. I just ignore it. But, this chronic pain that 'they' prescribe pharmos for is getting me down after 4 years of it because I refuse to take them. I figure the Mary Jane is 'natural' and I wanna go one step further to see if it might help without hindering. If yes, great. If no, I'll just not bother with it at all. I'll just learn to hurt 24/7/365. Heck, I have been doing for about 5 years and I ain't gonna live that much longer so.... so what?

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Bert
Date: 23 Jun 14 - 04:43 PM

When they make it into suppositories we can give one to Gutterspout and tell him where to shove it.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Bert
Date: 23 Jun 14 - 04:39 PM

It works for nausea and also insomnia.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: gnu
Date: 23 Jun 14 - 04:16 PM

Hahahaa... fuck yer an idiot.

I finally got thru the reams of info at Health Canada. Also did a lot of other research. I am gonna ask my doc for the prescription so that I can then talk to a specially trained RN and ask her specific questions. If the RN can answer them to my liking, I will consider trying it on a trial basis. I don't like what the arthritis doc and my doc wanna give me and I refused 4 medications. Yeah.... I am in constant pain and will die "ten years" earlier but that's MY choice.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 07 Apr 14 - 05:46 PM

The facts are coming in.
One of Mudcat's most pro-pot Colorado members died with a befuddeled brain

She could have contributed so much more...but a wiccan path determined much lw=ess.

A Colorado college student dies from a THC cookie.
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_25475533/denver-coroner-man-fell-death-after-eating-marijuana


Sincerely,
Gargoyle

Go an do likewise. I REALLY hope you partake.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: gnu
Date: 07 Apr 14 - 08:49 AM

Is it diss?

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: michaelr
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 03:50 PM

Huh?

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 03:11 PM

michealr, the plural of anecdote is not data.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: maeve
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 01:29 PM

Gnu's link blickified: http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/04/06/rcmp-seizes-marijuana-tweed_n_5100844.html

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: gnu
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 01:20 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/04/06/rcmp-seizes-marijuana-tweed_n_5100844.html

Sorry... linkmaker keeps screwing up. Or, Huff Post which has been acting rather oddly here in Canuckistan since they strted reported the terrible crap our PM has been doing lately. Paranoid you ask? Yeah, you would be too if you lived here.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: gnu
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 12:30 PM

Oh.. I forgot to mention something. It's illegal in these here parts to possess pot, boo, smoke, grass, ganja, reefer, weed, skunkweed, lambkill,... without a permit. Not ta mention yer wax.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: gnu
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 06:57 AM

I don't have any and I wouldn't know where to get any and I wouldn't know how long I would have to use it or how much or... I assume these questions regarding dosage and time(ing) and such could be answered by the nurses (facilitators?) these growing companies employ to assess individual cases/needs. It's all quite vague, including cost, at present. Like I said, I'll be investigating the whole ball of wax (another one!) for at least 3 to 6 months.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: michaelr
Date: 05 Apr 14 - 02:10 PM

Jeez, gnu, what "strong evidence" do you need? Roll up a fatter, burn it down, and see if you feel better. It ain't rocket surgery.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: gnu
Date: 05 Apr 14 - 02:06 PM

Thanks Crowhugger. Dunno how I missed that. I ain't been smoking but baccy.

The only comment I can make on your comments is that the media reports state a forthcoming HUGE surge in medipot patients and there have been a number of BIG operations (16?) licenced to grow it, one of which is in the Moncton area. So, it seems to me the idea of it being limited to 'terminal' cases might be a rather strong statement at this time. Once again, allow me to harp on the same point(s)... I need to see strong evidence that it will help me and I need certain questions answered before I will consider it's use. You have provided evidence on a personal basis that I NEED to consider. So far, that's one vote 'nay' from a reliable source.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: GUEST,Mrrzy on another computer
Date: 05 Apr 14 - 02:03 PM

why anchovies on pizza or icecream?

I can think of why not anchovies on ice cream...

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Apr 14 - 09:39 AM

Thank you, gnu.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: gnu
Date: 04 Apr 14 - 05:50 PM

GUEST... boo... pipe dream... roll. Three = hat trick.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Crowhugger
Date: 04 Apr 14 - 01:21 PM

I think the gov't to force medipot users to buy product for quality control is beyond silly, based on ideology not logic. There is plenty of technology available to test for quantities of chemicals. If the goal of legislation were truly to serve the public, there would be a mechanism for self-growers to submit a batch sample for testing (or have someone come around and test it) to establish concentration and therefore dose.

As I understand it, MDs do not exactly write a true Rx for medipot because the product is not an approved drug, though the new system does change the doc's role. Previously they wrote a letter saying they'd discussed the matter with their patient and the patient states it help their [insert symptom(s) here]. Again as I understand it, under the new legislation, the doctor must actually state that medipot is an appropriate treatment for [insert symptom(s) here]. Since there is almost no scientific study, it'll be pretty tough for MDs to keep their licence and prescribe medipot in any but clearly terminal illnesses, and even then it'll be dodgy. So I expect new permits will be few and far between. Which all supports previous posts about the public impression of pot as only fit for criminal losers.

I don't really see why they didn't just place it under the "special permission" area of Health Canada where doctors can make a case for exceptions to be made to allow a drug to be used for other than its approved purpose. All they'd have to do is make a regulation (or law) that decriminalizes possession and growing where such permission has been granted. Most docs charge $0 to fill out that paperwork, though some charge for such stuff.

This gov't is entirely ideology driven and have axed science and statistics to make it difficult or expensive for anyone to confuse them with facts.

Personally, even a small amount has the effect on me of multiply pain 10-fold or more, such that the pain of a stiff neck that might be cured with a nice walk is made entirely incapacitating by consumption of any pot or THC derivative.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Apr 14 - 11:48 AM

"* Why yes, pun definitely intended.
** I am on a roll***.
*** Hat trick!"

May I ask, WHAT HAT TRICK?

* was boo
** was pipe dream

Good ones. BUT, wtf is ***?

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Deckman
Date: 04 Apr 14 - 11:00 AM

I don't know if this contribution to the discussion will be helpful ... I hope it is. We just ten days ago lost a close friend to the ravages of A.L.S. He died a slow, painfull and horrible death. For over three years, he used medical pot for pain relief as well as emotional comfort. For him it worked. I can't tell you anything of the dosages, frequancy of use, etc. You might find this interesting ... this man was a medical doctor.

We live in the Seattle area where the voters have just legalized pot. In our friend's case though, he was obtaining before it became legal ... I know where or how.

... hope this helps ... bob(deckman)nelson

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: gnu
Date: 04 Apr 14 - 06:26 AM

Though not germane to the OP except in perhaps an obvious way, my interest was generated by the fact that medipot has been increasingly reported in the local media for months and this rose to great heights last week due to the fact that on April 1 physicians were granted the ability to issue prescriptions. One recent newspaper article was so long that I had to put it down to get a second cup of tea.

In a nutshell, if the government (yeah, I know, I know) is going to allow medipot AND they can back it up with good science before and continuously during this grand experiment AND there is strong "anecdotal evidence"... I think it's at least worth a boo*. It certainly can't be worse than the pharmachemicals the arthritis specialist set out in my proposed treatment. First flag was when he said #2 would be tried first as it seems to have less drawbacks and that I would be strictly monitored, ie, blood test before and again after 2 weeks and again after 2 weeks and then monthly. I asked 'for how long'. The rest of my life. A heightened awareness was immediately instilled in me. Now, I always research anything prescribed but I read a LOT of info on these medications, twice, and took notes on second reading. Then came the consultation with the doc during which the gloom and doom message(s) noted above came to light. It is important to note that my decision to forego treatment is not based solely on facts cited herein but includes many considerations which apply only to my personal circumstances.

I have seen a significant advance in the pain and mobility departments since my decision a year and a half ago so maybe medipot is simply a pipe dream** but I'll continue my investigation for at least three months (I see my GP every three months).

Thanks for all contributions to this thread.

* Why yes, pun definitely intended.
** I am on a roll***.
*** Hat trick!

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 04 Apr 14 - 03:38 AM

I share a driveway with a neighbor who has a medical marijuana prescription, so he's been trying to grow the stuff over the last five years of so. He's afraid of thievery, so he's trying to conceal his plots by erecting 8-foot fences around his property.
Kinda takes away from the rural beauty of the place, I think.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 11:20 PM

Took the words right out of my mouth, bobad :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: bobad
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 08:35 PM

Our bodies produce an endogenous cannabinoid neurotransmitter called anandamide (from the Sanskrit "bliss" and amide)which binds to the same receptors as THC with similar effect. It plays a role in the regulation of feeding behavior, and the neural generation of motivation and pleasure.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Jeri
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 08:08 PM

Some moderator got rid of one of the oopses.