BS: UK government bringing in emergency laws

Subject: UK government bringing in emergency laws
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 11 Jul 14 - 05:11 PM

Video of Cameron and Clegg in this link too.

"Emergency powers to ensure police and security services can continue to access phone and internet records are being rushed through Parliament. Prime Minister David Cameron has secured the backing of all three main parties for the highly unusual move. He said urgent action was needed to protect the public from "criminals and terrorists" after the European Court of Justice struck down existing powers, But civil liberties campaigners have warned it will invade people's privacy....."

We are in deep shite, folks, all THREE main parties are doing this


You can also email your local MP, (very important to do so) via this link and it's very easy to do.

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Subject: RE: UK government bringing in emergency laws
From: selby
Date: 11 Jul 14 - 05:44 PM

They where already monitoring everything a European ruling made it illegal so all parties are enacting a law to countermand the European ruling. Whats change from last year, or 5 years ago. If the government gets a kick out of my texts, e mails and phone calls they must be desperate for something to do.
Keith

Subject: RE: BS: UK government bringing in emergency laws
From: Joe Offer
Date: 11 Jul 14 - 06:59 PM

Thread moved to non-music section.

Subject: RE: BS: UK government bringing in emergency laws
From: Musket
Date: 12 Jul 14 - 03:52 AM

It has cross party support.

Far better to establish the law than to work outside of the ruling. Basically, this is not new legislation but reaffirming the aims of existing legislation.

The whole episode is heartening. Legislation was sloppy and a court rightly took it to its word and found it wanting so it is being revised. This is the sort of audit governance we should expect in free open society.

Ed Milliband summed it up perfectly for me.

Subject: RE: BS: UK government bringing in emergency laws
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Jul 14 - 01:40 PM

Probably a good thing. If the police had more freedom to access these things when required more pedophiles would be put in prison.

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: UK government bringing in emergency laws
From: GUEST,Desi C
Date: 12 Jul 14 - 02:08 PM

I would be the very LAST person to defend anything Davic Cameron does, and he IS obsessed with wanting to eavesdrop on people's communications, and he'd love to close down social media sites
But what this rushed bill is seeking to do is onmly preserve the status quo, in that the UK already HAS these powers, crimes such as the Soham murders, several terrorist offences, many paedophile cases would never have been solvd without the authorities having these powers]

But the EU have recently decreed in their 'wisdom?' that such powers be done away with. Think what that could mean, terrorists would be free to plan widescale murders and most Brits don't really appreciate yet just how many Muslim terrorists are in our midst! it should be obvious all the other downfalls of destroying all such info it'd be madness, and I'm largely Pro Europe!

Subject: RE: BS: UK government bringing in emergency laws
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Jul 14 - 10:48 PM

You people need guns. You've let the monarchy disarm you, and now they can do whatever they want. They'll come for your children next. Oh, yeah, they've already done that.

Boot the monarchy, restore the right to own guns, and let the rest sort itself out, as you might say.

Subject: RE: BS: UK government bringing in emergency laws
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 13 Jul 14 - 02:20 AM

We don't need guns. That way lies the SAME insanity that has the USA in its death-grip. End of.

And, errrrmmm, how would citizens having guns prevent government eavesdropping on telephone and internet communications? The half-billion-or-so guns being waved around by American citizens haven't prevented their (your?) government from doing precisely the same thing. Ask Angela Merkel why she's so pissed off with the USA.

And the Queen has no political role, she's a figurehead, not a President.

Subject: RE: BS: UK government bringing in emergency laws
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 13 Jul 14 - 04:04 AM

GUEST, this might put straight your obvious misunderstandings regarding the relative roles of the Constitutional Monarch and the Government in the UK - http://www.legislation.gov.uk/aep/WillandMarSess2/1/2/introduction

Subject: RE: BS: UK government bringing in emergency laws
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 13 Jul 14 - 04:06 AM

Hmmmmm, try again...... http://www.legislation.gov.uk/aep/WillandMarSess2/1/2/introduction

Subject: RE: BS: UK government bringing in emergency laws
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Jul 14 - 11:07 AM

I see it got through OK. Hopefully the police will still be able to bring criminals to justice without them hiding behind legislation made to protect them rather than the victims.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: UK government bringing in emergency laws
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 16 Jul 14 - 12:48 PM

The surveillance powers are excessive. The procedure, bypassing all proper parliamentary scrutiny, was a disgrace. Nice to see you back on right-wing form Mither.

Subject: RE: BS: UK government bringing in emergency laws
From: Rapparee
Date: 16 Jul 14 - 06:48 PM

Your House of Lords, unelected potentates, can sit on proposed laws for a year.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK government bringing in emergency laws
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Jul 14 - 08:12 PM

Your unelected corporations can shit on everything forever. Your unelected AIPAC can decide all your politicians' careers in a heartbeat. There isn't a democracy on the planet that can take lessons from any other democracy.

Subject: RE: BS: UK government bringing in emergency laws
From: Musket
Date: 17 Jul 14 - 03:10 AM

If there isn't scrutiny, why were The Lords critiquing it yesterday Bridge?

It can be abused. So can a council by law on parking restrictions.

As I said, as a left winger, I'd rather have legislation about such things than such things happen without legislation. I haven't expressed any view on how needed, useful or folly such laws are.

You see Bridge, you just jump to conclusions.

Tell the boys and girls which of us has voted Labour all our adult life and which of us used to vote conservative?

Subject: RE: BS: UK government bringing in emergency laws
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 17 Jul 14 - 03:44 AM

Bypassing all proper Commons scrutiny. And your voting record, Mither, makes you one of the treasonous supporters of "New Labour" and the abolition of clause 4.

It is only better to establish the law if the law established is right and if proper democratic procedures are followed.

Subject: RE: BS: UK government bringing in emergency laws
From: Musket
Date: 17 Jul 14 - 04:49 AM

Fook me. It's treason to support Labour now!

I don't know what to think now. On balance I prefer it when you say how wonderful insightful and intelligent I am.




But only just......

Subject: RE: BS: UK government bringing in emergency laws
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 17 Jul 14 - 06:24 AM

It is a betrayal of the principles of the Labour party to support "New Labour".

It is also a betrayal of the principles of the Labour party to support mass government surveillance. See Wilkes -v- Wood http://kadidal.blogspot.co.uk/2006/04/below-entire-text-of-wilkes-v.html

Make your own blicky, I CBA

Subject: RE: BS: UK government bringing in emergency laws
From: Musket
Date: 17 Jul 14 - 07:07 AM

Was it a betrayal to be a one nation Tory?

Subject: RE: BS: UK government bringing in emergency laws
From: Rapparee
Date: 17 Jul 14 - 10:16 AM

There IS no true "democracy" anywhere on Earth.

Subject: RE: BS: UK government bringing in emergency laws
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 17 Jul 14 - 10:29 AM

Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time."

(Speech in the House of Commons, 11 November 1947)"
― Winston Churchill

Subject: RE: BS: UK government bringing in emergency laws
From: bobad
Date: 17 Jul 14 - 10:32 AM

"Your unelected AIPAC can decide all your politicians' careers in a heartbeat."

Ah yes, straight out of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. I wonder if Sheriff Musket will be reporting this antisemite to the authorities.

Subject: RE: BS: UK government bringing in emergency laws
From: Musket
Date: 17 Jul 14 - 10:57 AM

For anyone interested in what Bobad is on about. Akenaton posted vile hatred towards gay people and two things have happened.

1. I reported it as incitement to hatred via my ISP, which I am proud to do.

2. Bobad seems offended that anyone might not want to read homophobia.

Subject: RE: BS: UK government bringing in emergency laws
From: bobad
Date: 17 Jul 14 - 11:06 AM

"2. Bobad seems offended that anyone might not want to read homophobia."

Absolutely not the case - if you are policing this forum I just want you to be consistent in your reporting of incitements to hatred.

Subject: RE: BS: UK government bringing in emergency laws
From: Musket
Date: 17 Jul 14 - 11:12 AM

Show me some anti semitism then?

And then show me where you reported it, sanctimonious fool.

Subject: RE: BS: UK government bringing in emergency laws
From: bobad
Date: 17 Jul 14 - 01:37 PM

Subject: RE: BS: UK government bringing in emergency laws
From: Steve Shaw - PM
Date: 16 Jul 14 - 08:12 PM

Your unelected corporations can shit on everything forever. Your unelected AIPAC can decide all your politicians' careers in a heartbeat. There isn't a democracy on the planet that can take lessons from any other democracy.

Shaw's statement clearly implies that Jews control the US government which is defined as being antisemitic by the EUMC and the Ottawa Protocol as stated below. But of course you will probably disagree because you are likely of the same opinion


"Making mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, or stereotypical allegations about Jews as such or the power of Jews as collective — such as, especially but not exclusively, the myth about a world Jewish conspiracy or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or other societal institutions."

Subject: RE: BS: UK government bringing in emergency laws
From: akenaton
Date: 17 Jul 14 - 02:29 PM

"For anyone interested in what Bobad is on about. Akenaton posted vile hatred towards gay people and two things have happened."


For anyone interested, I have never posted ANY "hatred" against homosexuals, "vile" or otherwise....as far as I am aware, I have never had a post deleted by admin, if I had been posting "vile hatred" I would certainly have had the posts containing the "vile hatred" removed by the mods.

However Ian(Musket), has had numerous posts containing vile remarks about other members of this forum removed, and his continued use of the word C**t as a term of abuse is a shameful
slight to all our female members.

He continually uses demeaning names and foul language to other members and the moderators are watching what he posts at all times.

Then Ian has the temerity to lecture us about our lack of a "moral compass."

Subject: RE: BS: UK government bringing in emergency laws
From: Musket
Date: 18 Jul 14 - 04:55 AM

Again, Musket didn't write that.

I love being flattered but not by people whose graves I would happily piss on, thanks.

Subject: RE: BS: UK government bringing in emergency laws
From: GUEST,ollaimh
Date: 18 Jul 14 - 01:18 PM

Richard bridges calling anyone a traitor is rich. he was a young thathcerite and has come down on the upper classes side of almost every issue--including the surveillance state--that comes up.(see above he approves of getting the surveillance legislation right--but ignores who it really hurts because it doesn't hurt his class)

his commitment to |real labour" is about as usefull as his former commitment to Maggie thatcher.

Subject: RE: BS: UK government bringing in emergency laws
From: Musket
Date: 18 Jul 14 - 01:26 PM

Err.. Akenaton. You really must stop embarrassing yourself. I never said anybody had a lack of a moral compass any more than I accused you of killing puppies that are not fit for your racing training work.

Do read what people put eh?

Then ask somebody what they mean.

By the way, saying awful nasty things about all gay men and claiming you don't after everybody has read it just turns you from a nasty man to a foolish nasty man.

Subject: RE: BS: UK government bringing in emergency laws
From: akenaton
Date: 18 Jul 14 - 02:36 PM

Ian, how many posts of yours have been deleted....20?...30?...

Posts of this "vile abuser" akenaton, which have been removed....nil.

Point made, game over, the evidence indicates that you Ian are a vile abuser and that I am just a poster who likes to debate controversial subjects.

Try to convey what you mean without all the outlandish "wit" and you may be less frustrated at other members "stupidity".

Subject: RE: BS: UK government bringing in emergency laws
From: Musket
Date: 18 Jul 14 - 02:55 PM

Controversial subjects?

No.

You express odious views of the like not seen since abusers such as Bernard Manning were considered entertainment.

I haven't had a single post deleted for expressing a view. Not one. Stop lying you little shit. Mine get deleted because of a lack of humour in those who can't spell humour, and miss out the u. There is a difference between having an opposite view and advocating hatred, propagating bigotry towards decent normal people and generally being an embarrassment for others to read.

Your "controversial" views make you an actual criminal under UK law and rightly so. We protect people from having lies said against them in order to persuade people that they don't have the same rights as others.

Every time you put "marriage" rather than marriage, you show yourself not fit to have ever been married because you don't understand, accept or cherish what marriage means. My skin crawls with the thought that when I go to Inveraray later this year for a wedding, that a nasty old troll isn't too far away. Luckily, the happy couple and the rest of the Inveraray community, their friends, aren't aware that in is day and age, there is someone nearby so out of tune with decency, he needs help.

Subject: RE: BS: UK government bringing in emergency laws
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 18 Jul 14 - 03:50 PM

Thanks Richard, I sometimes wonder if this forum is occupying a dystopian Orwellian universe where liberty means surveillance.

I can't count the amount of times the old trope of 'if you've got nothing to hide' has been brought out here. Yet when the government deem it a matter of 'national security' no-one gets to know shit, and everyone's OK with that?

Subject: RE: BS: UK government bringing in emergency laws
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 19 Jul 14 - 04:53 AM

Excellent laws. Hopefully they will also reintroduce identity cards.

Subject: RE: BS: UK government bringing in emergency laws
From: Musket
Date: 19 Jul 14 - 10:28 AM

Not even Cameron gets his ideas from Argentina

Subject: RE: BS: UK government bringing in emergency laws
From: bubblyrat
Date: 20 Jul 14 - 06:45 AM

I was in the British Royal Navy for 11 years ,in which environment it was , frankly ,impossible to keep or hide anything from anybody.Some of you people should give it a try ;it is not as bad as one might suppose ( that was one of the great benefits of National Service , actually ).

Subject: RE: BS: UK government bringing in emergency laws
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 20 Jul 14 - 03:36 PM

Olly, you err, I had long abandoned my youthful folly of one-nation conservatism by the time the arch-bitch Thatcher came to power. I was demonstrating in favour of abortion on demand and against the removal of school milk and against restrictions on university grants by the early to mid 70s. By the 80s my then (now late) wife had completed my conversion to socialism.

There are two matters where you and I do largely differ. In my view the Irish "freedom fighters" were murdering terrorists, and the Argentinian invasion of the Falklands was without historical foundation, rather pure territorial aggrandisement. The Irish terrorists succeeded, but the Argentinians got what they deserved.

None of which affects the dictatorship of the parliamentary majority as exercised by Scamermoron, Clegg (check its dialect meanings) and Milipede over mass surveillance.

Subject: RE: BS: UK government bringing in emergency laws
From: Musket
Date: 22 Jul 14 - 05:43 AM

Of course, some of us never had youthful folly, neither did we have to be converted to anything. Striving for a fair society seemed somehow natural......

Reel him in!

Subject: RE: BS: UK government bringing in emergency laws
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 22 Jul 14 - 06:42 AM

Funny you don't do it any more, then, Blairite.

Subject: RE: BS: UK government bringing in emergency laws
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 22 Jul 14 - 06:46 AM

I bet you even support Ed Balls' pledge of more austerity. With that threatened is there ANY point in voting for the official Labour Party any more?

Subject: RE: BS: UK government bringing in emergency laws
From: Musket
Date: 22 Jul 14 - 11:15 AM

Ah!

Come on Bridge, this is better.

I bet you grab the arms of your armchair whenever you think of Ed Balls eh?

Balls isn't threatening austerity, he's just pointing out that we haven't paid off his credit card just yet. Just think, if Greece took your view, we and the rest of Europe would be in even deeper shit.

I know that for a solicitor, wealth creation is easy but the rest of the country has to earn it....