BS: Church joins real world

Subject: RE: BS: Church joins real world
From: Bill D
Date: 05 Sep 14 - 05:28 PM

".. I take it that any bug on board were stowaways and not requisite passengers !."

LOLOL... nice dodging, Pete... but not as clever as " but in theology the rule of thumb is to compare scripture with scripture, esp when in the same passage, "

Internally consistent, huh? That is very convenient... methinks there's a bug in your reasoning...

Subject: RE: BS: Church joins real world
From: Ed T
Date: 05 Sep 14 - 05:38 PM

Fire 
Ever wonder who is active translating and interpreting old tablets that form the basis of the Bible, and wondered iv they get along and agree?

This website gives good perspective, from onebperson involved. An interesting read under the different titles.

Could the fire and dust origin in the Bible be from the big bang? Interesting interpretations of old hebrew words, used in the Bible segments.

an interesting site 

Subject: RE: BS: Church joins real world
From: Musket
Date: 05 Sep 14 - 06:45 PM

No fire. No dust.

If you don't understand Big Bang , stop trying to align it to fairy stories.

Subject: RE: BS: Church joins real world
From: Ed T
Date: 05 Sep 14 - 07:46 PM

Think deeper Musket, and take the time to think, versus shooting from the hip.

You could kearn some "deeper thinking" lessions from Bilk D. There are more to consider than oft repeated"fairy tale" one liners.

Subject: RE: BS: Church joins real world
From: Joe Offer
Date: 06 Sep 14 - 12:53 AM

Well, there are certainly some insulting posters in these threads, but Pete isn't one of them. But some of you hone insult to a fine art....

Pete says what he believes. I disagree with it, as most of you do. But it's what he believes. How can we consider that insulting?

Subject: RE: BS: Church joins real world
From: Musket
Date: 06 Sep 14 - 03:48 AM

Propagating it, telling children it is true and reality is wrong, lobbying government to allow bigotry and discrimination in the name of religion..,.

My mate who believes the moon landings didn't happen, now that's innocent and none insulting. But creationism is a force insisting on credibility. That's why it needs shouting down Joe. Not just get at pete. He has every right to be slightly unhinged and good luck to him. It's when the buggers get together and try to influence society.

Rather than support their right, churches should consider the harm they cause by association. It must be goading to see pete dismiss you and your studies over the years as "boutique." Why say he isn't insulting when he insults your own faith Joe?

Ed. Fairy story might sound insulting but giving it status above what it is doesn't alter anything. Nothing outside the laws of physics actually happened. Nobody came back from the dead. No virgin gave birth. No supernatural being interfered in peoples' lives. Even the bit they got right, they got the wrong way round. God was made in our image.

Faith is a comfort blanket for those who need it, but organised religions need to know their place in c21. They have no right to interfere outside of their membership, yet they do. Whilst ever they do, they will be jeered at by ignorant twats like me. You can't argue philosophy with them because they can move the goalposts too easily. So pointing and laughing is the most effective tool there is.

I repeat. If someone uses their imaginary friend as part of a debate, there is little point in trying to rationalise with them.

Subject: RE: BS: Church joins real world
From: akenaton
Date: 06 Sep 14 - 04:02 AM

"pointing and laughing", is the only tool you have on many subjects Ian.
I don't think you really care at all about "faith" only the church's obstruction of your agenda.

Subject: RE: BS: Church joins real world
From: Musket
Date: 06 Sep 14 - 05:37 AM

Just so long as you don't remind us of your despicable agenda. Some of us have only just finished our breakfast.

Subject: RE: BS: Church joins real world
From: Joe Offer
Date: 06 Sep 14 - 05:40 AM

Musket, I look on "faith" as a masterpiece painting to be pondered and appreciated. In ways, it's a metaphor, meant to express the beauty and magnificence and mystery in terms that are not clinical and perhaps not completely rational. Nonetheless, that masterpiece gives depth and meaning to my life that I wouldn't have otherwise. It's not for everyone - but for me, it has meaning.

I'm sorry that you and Pete are able to see faith only in such concrete terms, and feel bound to prove or disprove it all. As for me, I'll float in the poetry of it all and just absorb and ponder it.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Church joins real world
From: Musket
Date: 06 Sep 14 - 09:19 AM

For crying out loud Joe!

Read my posts in full, don't cherry pick!

I do not see faith in concrete terms and constantly mention the comfort many people get from it. My main bone of contention is that people like yourself accommodate the petes of this world rather than see the harm they create by associating religion with absurd fantasy.

Yes, I'm sure it is a metaphor and the many religious friends and in my wife's case, family with faith are comfortable with their creed.

Meanwhile, the unhinged idiots happy to be called creationists are too stupid to be exposed to metaphor because they think it's real, every last bit of it, are politicising it, lobbying governments and trying to force their hobby as a social and political agenda.

You know what? I think mainstream religions have a role in stopping encouraging them. Its actually in their interest.

Subject: RE: BS: Church joins real world
From: Bill D
Date: 06 Sep 14 - 10:20 AM

"people like yourself accommodate the petes of this world "

And the alternative? The **pete's** seldom bother me... meaning that aside from causing your blood pressure to rise, they usually just got to church and pray.

It's the rabid non-Pete's that concern me. I wish that there could be a vaccination against irrationality, but the lure of the " floating in the poetry of it all " is very strong and I dare say will always be with us... and in that form does little harm...except to provide a vehicle for the rabid ones to use. 'Vehicles' will always be abused, whether run by petrol or bibles... but each can be valueable.

Subject: RE: BS: Church joins real world
From: Musket
Date: 06 Sep 14 - 10:25 AM

Read the posts, your own included unless I am mistaken on YEC.

Then say the petes of this world just go to church and mind their own business...