BS: Cliff Richard - police investigation

Subject: RE: BS: Cliff Richard - police investigation
From: GUEST,pete from seven stars link
Date: 03 Sep 14 - 03:42 PM

ah, I guess I don't think in the same mode as you, musket.
I like " the seeker".....but I hope he "gets what
[he is] after [before]] the day [he] dies,,,"

Subject: RE: BS: Cliff Richard - police investigation
From: Musket
Date: 02 Sep 14 - 05:18 PM

I'll get Doug to write my text books...




pete. Your mod reference was good, but could also be unfortunate under the thread title. Out of interest, Squeeze Box is one of my favourite Who songs and I sing it, albeit to guitar.

Subject: RE: BS: Cliff Richard - police investigation
From: GUEST,pete from seven stars link
Date: 02 Sep 14 - 05:14 PM

cliff - concertina thread drift ?
not really. it just goes "...in an out, an in an out..."
WHO said that? !.

Subject: RE: BS: Cliff Richard - police investigation
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 02 Sep 14 - 02:42 PM

Musket,
There was no significance in my including "Perhaps ...". I just started at the beginning of the line and there it was. My cut and paste was only there to give continuity as I was not following on directly after your post. I wasn't having a go at you in particular. Maybe my post would have been better rewritten as:

Perhaps we are discussing concertinas because there is nothing to say regarding Cliff .....

If there is nothing to say then why don't people just give it a rest and move on to something more interesting? It isn't compulsory to post.

DC

Subject: RE: BS: Cliff Richard - police investigation
From: GUEST,
Date: 02 Sep 14 - 01:03 PM

What? A concertina in every village? Really?
[Maybe most of them are 'in the cupboard under the stairs'.]

Subject: RE: BS: Cliff Richard - police investigation
From: Musket
Date: 02 Sep 14 - 12:47 PM

So why did you cut and paste my word "perhaps."?

Tsk. There's supposed to be one in every village but we appear to have a commune of the buggers on Mudcat...

Subject: RE: BS: Cliff Richard - police investigation
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 02 Sep 14 - 11:49 AM

Perhaps we are discussing concertinas because there is nothing to say regarding Cliff .....

If you have nothing to say then why not just give it a rest and move on to something more interesting? It isn't compulsory to post.

DC

Subject: RE: BS: Cliff Richard - police investigation
From: GUEST,Claire M
Date: 02 Sep 14 - 11:22 AM

Hiya! & a great tv series! "Bored, bored, bloody bored……."

Subject: RE: BS: Cliff Richard - police investigation
From: Musket
Date: 02 Sep 14 - 09:46 AM

Perhaps we are discussing concertinas because there is nothing to say regarding Cliff, and won't be unless and until his appearance at Bramhall Lane with Billy Graham may or may not see him in court.

That said;

1. Anybody found enjoying themselves at Bramhall Lane is possibly guilty of anything you choose to charge them with. Hanging's too good for them.

2. American evangelist preachers are, statistically speaking, snorting a few lines, abusing vulnerable impressionable people who look up to them, whilst having a bloody good lifestyle from the most disgusting TV begging for cash.

3. I thought "The Young Ones" was a song, not an aspiration.

Subject: RE: BS: Cliff Richard - police investigation
From: GUEST,Claire M
Date: 02 Sep 14 - 06:48 AM

Hiya !! Re topic drift. Probably cos it's easier than discussing the actual topic. @ least Cliff hasn't been convicted already. That would be far worse. Said flatmate will just say he was framed, but you never know what danger's lurking in the Shadows…...

I am on the Horns of A Dilemma. I am looking for a certain cd to help me relax, tried every muscle relaxant going, nothing works as well as that familiar voice, like hot melted butter poured over gravel. Pain, nausea etc. goes away. Said cd was £1,000+ via Amazon UK, is this a real price/is someone extracting the Michael?? I thought it'd be cheap cos nobody wanted it.

Subject: RE: BS: Cliff Richard - police investigation
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 02 Sep 14 - 06:11 AM

And Bob Hope singing Buttons & Bows -- one of those great US instruments, with about a 20-fold bellows!

& a bit less of concertina players being 9-bob-notes, if all the same to you, Al!

Best

≈M≈

Subject: RE: BS: Cliff Richard - police investigation
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 02 Sep 14 - 05:15 AM

the thing about Cliff - he may have been a bit of a nine bob note, but at least he never played the concertina.

Mind you I always liked it watching Bing Crosby play when he sang True Love.

Subject: RE: BS: Cliff Richard - police investigation
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 02 Sep 14 - 04:21 AM

Cynical -- but probably true, alas!

Subject: RE: BS: Cliff Richard - police investigation
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 02 Sep 14 - 03:25 AM

Why?

It is interesting that the police force conducting the enquiry is the same one as was involved in turning a blind eye to industrial scale abuse. Political correctness has made that topic a no-go area. As was pointed out on another thread:

Strange and sad, the reluctance to discuss this topic mirrors the attitudes of officials and community leaders who allowed the abuse to continue for years.

It seems that the best way to avoid having a thread deleted is to stick to non-contentious issue like concertinas.


DC

Subject: RE: BS: Cliff Richard - police investigation
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 01 Sep 14 - 03:15 PM

Why, or how, has a thread about an ongoing police enquiry involving a personality of some prominence turned into one about concertinas?

I mean, one has heard of thread-drift, BUT...

≈M≈

Subject: RE: BS: Cliff Richard - police investigation
From: akenaton
Date: 01 Sep 14 - 01:57 PM

A concertina virtuoso

Subject: RE: BS: Cliff Richard - police investigation
From: The Sandman
Date: 01 Sep 14 - 01:10 PM

what if Hank had played the oboe instead of stratocaster?

Subject: RE: BS: Cliff Richard - police investigation
From: GUEST,Rahere
Date: 01 Sep 14 - 08:01 AM

No, Al, they'd been conscripted into providing the ventilation for the escape tunnel.
And the most significant event in my memory relating to a brass band was when one around a 100 000 gallon beer vat failed at the upper end of Tottenham Court Road, the collapse of the tank took the rest with to and something close to hald a million gallons of beer washed down to the Thames at Charin Cross. A number of people died - one from going in in an attempt to drink it dry, and more when the floor of a house charging to view the bodies gave way, pitching another fifty into the beer-filled cellar below. And I quite like brass bands...

Subject: RE: BS: Cliff Richard - police investigation
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 01 Sep 14 - 06:57 AM

How different would history have been if Hank played the concertina instead of stratocaster ???

What would concertinas sound like through a fuzz box in Jimi Hendrix's hands ?????

Subject: RE: BS: Cliff Richard - police investigation
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 31 Aug 14 - 01:27 PM

years ago i did a gig at the concertina club in mexborough. apparently there used to be concertina bands - a bit like brass bands.

by the time i did the gig it was just another wmc. no concertinas in evidence - but apparently they were all stored under the stage.

Subject: RE: BS: Cliff Richard - police investigation
From: GUEST,Rahere
Date: 31 Aug 14 - 01:10 PM

Mind you, I was kind of neutral on concertinas until someone with one sat in on a playaround yesterday - and played the fukelele.

Subject: RE: BS: Cliff Richard - police investigation
From: The Sandman
Date: 31 Aug 14 - 12:19 PM

The concertina like the guitar is a versatile instrument, It is effective for tradtional tunes, song accompaniment,playing ensemble Music, Such as brass band arrangements.
http://eafa.org.uk/catalogue/5148

Subject: RE: BS: Cliff Richard - police investigation
From: Musket
Date: 31 Aug 14 - 09:14 AM

A guitar is a three dimensional instrument.

Getting warmer?

(Concertinas may not go around corners Al, but you and I possibly both recall a certain concertina player in Mansfield who is round the bend. And possibly reading this, checking the cap for tightness and working out his next heckle when I play Blidworth Bottoms next month.)

Subject: RE: BS: Cliff Richard - police investigation
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 31 Aug 14 - 08:59 AM

You are looking for profundity where there is none GSS. it goes in and out - that's two dimensions.....if it went round corners...you would be right to complain.

Subject: RE: BS: Cliff Richard - police investigation
From: The Sandman
Date: 31 Aug 14 - 08:46 AM

musket answer my question, what do you mean, it is a question that is put to you politely, can you explain what you mean but a concertina being two dimensional, if you cannot,fair enough.

Subject: RE: BS: Cliff Richard - police investigation
From: Musket
Date: 31 Aug 14 - 07:28 AM

Dick, stop dissecting fluffy bunnies to see how they work.

Subject: RE: BS: Cliff Richard - police investigation
From: The Sandman
Date: 31 Aug 14 - 07:14 AM

"A fairly two dimensional instrument in my view," could you explain
why they are in your opinion two dimensional?





adjective
1.
having the dimensions of height and width only:
a two-dimensional surface.
2.
(of a work of art) having its elements organized in terms of a flat surface, especially emphasizing the vertical and horizontal character of the picture plane:
the two-dimensional structure of a painting.
3.
(in a literary work) shallow, unconvincing, or superficial in execution:
a novel having two-dimensional characters.
Origin
1895-1900
1895-1900
Related forms
two-dimensionality, noun
two-dimensionally, adverb
.

British Dictionary definitions for two-dimensional
two-dimensional
adjective
1.
of, having, or relating to two dimensions, usually describable in terms of length and breadth or length and height
2.
lying on a plane; having an area but not enclosing any volume
3.
lacking in depth, as characters in a literary work
4.
(of painting or drawing) lacking the characteristics of form or depth
Derived Forms.
what exactly do you mean?

Subject: RE: BS: Cliff Richard - police investigation
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 30 Aug 14 - 03:29 AM

ROTFLMAO!!

Nah, I don't hold grudges!

Subject: RE: BS: Cliff Richard - police investigation
From: Musket
Date: 29 Aug 14 - 01:48 PM

Butter doesn't melt in my mouth!

Remember when I asked if you were coming with me to see Dick Miles in concert and you said "That tosser? I'd rather drown in a vat of gorilla sweat!"

Subject: RE: BS: Cliff Richard - police investigation
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 29 Aug 14 - 01:44 PM

And you're a good'un to talk! :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Cliff Richard - police investigation
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 29 Aug 14 - 01:42 PM

LOL!! :-)

Oh trust me, Muskie, I don't need a gun.......!

Subject: RE: BS: Cliff Richard - police investigation
From: Musket
Date: 29 Aug 14 - 01:31 PM

You know Al, John and Dick are two examples of why we don't have guns this side of the pond....

Subject: RE: BS: Cliff Richard - police investigation
From: Silas
Date: 29 Aug 14 - 12:44 PM

And, with apologies to Bill caddick et al - I don't like 12 string guitars

Subject: RE: BS: Cliff Richard - police investigation
From: Silas
Date: 29 Aug 14 - 12:43 PM

I like concertinas. Played well they are brilliant.

Subject: RE: BS: Cliff Richard - police investigation
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 29 Aug 14 - 12:42 PM

I used to dream of playing two dimensions. However space is final frontier -I think George Washington said that.....

I say (chortle! chortle!) fancy all these yanks shooting each other....they must be a bit daft.

Subject: RE: BS: Cliff Richard - police investigation
From: Musket
Date: 29 Aug 14 - 12:05 PM

Imagine if Cliff Richard played a concertina?

A fairly two dimensional instrument in my view, but has it's place in about half a dozen songs...

Subject: RE: BS: Cliff Richard - police investigation
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 29 Aug 14 - 10:23 AM

I told you to get off my case.

My comment was about the concertina, which IMO is a boring instrument, not concertina players. Concertina players weren't mentioned, so it is not offensive to concertina players, except idiots who have themselves chosen to make it about concertina players.

Take your insecurities and hang-ups and look for another victim for your rudeness and aggressiveness. I don't roll over and die for anyone, especially notoriously argumentative players of boring instruments.

Got the message yet?

Subject: RE: BS: Cliff Richard - police investigation
From: The Sandman
Date: 29 Aug 14 - 09:12 AM

BACKWOODSMAN The other comment was a personal attack, and has been removed, yours is just ill informed offensive[ to all concertina players and ridiculous, its as ridiculous as dismissing all guitars as boring

Subject: RE: BS: Cliff Richard - police investigation
From: Musket
Date: 28 Aug 14 - 05:23 PM

Evidence is the BBC term although by coincidence, I can say with past authority that you can only remove evidence under code B of Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984. So unless they feel it could be of interest to their enquiries it is theft.

So Occams Razor and BBC seem to agree, it is potential evidence. No comment from me beyond that as it could be evidence that clears him. Investigations in general should be to find truth.

I just couldn't resist the joke about his latest album.

Subject: RE: BS: Cliff Richard - police investigation
From: GUEST,Rahere
Date: 28 Aug 14 - 05:10 PM

You couldn't make it up, could you? One thousand four hundred complaints against the same circles, nothing, one complaint about a celebrity, SYP launch a paparazzia. These aren't cops, they're fame hounds. They most certainly have a very distorted vision of what abuse is, so I think it'll be a doddle to clear Cliff if they do charge him. The trouble is, that kind of argument is one of heading to the lowest quality of justice, which is about all that's left after this. What I would suggest is they start recruiting Police trainees, because with that number of complaints, it's clearly time to follow up on each and every officer who was involved in it, high and low: there won't be much of a force left afterwards as a result.

Subject: RE: BS: Cliff Richard - police investigation
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 28 Aug 14 - 03:53 PM

they removed evidence....?
evidence of what....?

Subject: RE: BS: Cliff Richard - police investigation
From: Musket
Date: 28 Aug 14 - 01:40 PM

What's all this about Cliff being rich so wouldn't stop in a guest house?

I've enough for a beer or two myself and woke up in a field the other week... (I never quite made it back to the tent I had put up lovingly earlier that day, and the party after the festival gig was a bit good...)

I note the police removed some evidence from his house. I hope it was just porn.. they'd better not have discovered his latest album...

(By the way, note it is South Yorkshire Police, who have a tricky time with child abuse themselves at present....)

Subject: RE: BS: Cliff Richard - police investigation
From: GUEST,Pete from seven stars link
Date: 28 Aug 14 - 06:32 AM

Years ago some preachers claimed that rock music killed plants.       Personally, I think the evidence was planted !

Subject: RE: BS: Cliff Richard - police investigation
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 26 Aug 14 - 09:07 AM

I did make that comment, Squeaky, and it was not intended to insult you, it was a comment which referred to my dislike of the concertina as an instrument, nothing else, which you chose to take offence to. Don't try to blame me for your own hang-ups.

The rest of your above post is, quite frankly, irrelevant to this issue.

Incidentally, I didn't notice you attacking the poster who did insult you recently when he/she called you 'pompous and illiterate', so why attack me?

Now grow up and get off my case.

BTW, I don't like Pukeleles either. And I don't give a damn if that 'offends' you.

Subject: RE: BS: Cliff Richard - police investigation
From: The Sandman
Date: 26 Aug 14 - 08:23 AM

a stupid generalisation, backwoodsman, its not the instrument but the player. mean whileChris Beardshaw told BBC Radio 4's Gardeners' Question Time that flowers kept near to the musical highlights of Cliff Richard had all died.

"Those in the Cliff Richard house all died. Sabotage was suspected but we couldn't prove it," he said.

Black Sabbath music was played in a second greenhouse, while a third was kept silent.

The plants kept in the other two greenhouses survived the experiment, the study revealed.

"The ones with Black Sabbath - great big, thumping noise, rowdy music - they were the shortest, but they had the best flowers and the best resistance to pest and disease," the findings stated.

The experiment was undertaken by horticultural students to see whether music affects plants.

Subject: RE: BS: Cliff Richard - police investigation
From: The Sandman
Date: 26 Aug 14 - 08:21 AM

Subject: RE: BS: Cliff Richard - police investigation
From: Backwoodsman - PM
Date: 17 Aug 14 - 01:50 PM

"the shadows were technically ok but just fecking boring, start comparing them to hendrix or to jazz musicians or blues musicians they are soulless."

Well, a concertina-squeezer should know all about 'fecking boring' and 'soulless'. Describes a concertina perfectly.

Subject: RE: BS: Cliff Richard - police investigation
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 26 Aug 14 - 07:32 AM

Topsie - I understood Al's humour, but my comment was to Dick (Good Soldier Squeak) who mis-spelled paedophile initially.

Squeak - if you're insulted by someone pointing out a mis-spelling, I'd suggest you're far too sensitive. I've no recollection of insulting you earlier, if I did it was not intentional and again, I'd suggest you're far too sensitive.

So I'd recommend you take your foul temper back to your Irish bog and shove it.

Subject: RE: BS: Cliff Richard - police investigation
From: GUEST, topsie
Date: 26 Aug 14 - 06:56 AM

If I was on the jury, before asking WHY he was there, I would want to know whether he really WAS there.

Subject: RE: BS: Cliff Richard - police investigation
From: GUEST,Silas
Date: 26 Aug 14 - 06:45 AM

Cliff Richards has been a millionare since the early sixties - he is hardly likley to have frequented the Elms Guest house as a resident is he? So why was he there?

Subject: RE: BS: Cliff Richard - police investigation
From: The Sandman
Date: 26 Aug 14 - 06:35 AM

Backwoodsmn, you may hve stayed in all sorts of places ,that is not relevant, if i was on a jury, I would like a explanation, from Sir Cliff as to why he was visiting, that is not unreasonable, now would you kindly take your insults [see your earlier post of some days ago],off to your feckin backwoods.