USA, Black Lives Lost in Police Actions

Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 07 Dec 14 - 10:26 PM

I thought I'd make a blicky to assist the hard of understanding.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/05/franchesca-ramsey-video-ally_n_6275680.html

It's a shame to see the grammatical nonsense that "ally" is not a noun but only exists as a verb.

Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop
From: wysiwyg
Date: 08 Dec 14 - 08:49 AM

Thanks RB. When I'm posting from the fone it's not feasible to create links so I always appreciate an assist, there.

Songs have started coming out about some of these recently-lost lives. I hope if folks see these, they'll post them here.

~S~

Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop
From: GUEST,Rahere
Date: 08 Dec 14 - 09:09 AM

I do: let's post them here.

1. Understand your privilege.
2. Listen and do your homework.
3. Speak up, not over   
4. You'll make mistakes, apologize when you do.
5. Ally is a verb -- saying you're an ally is not enough.

We must each speak for ourselves: here are my answers
1. I do - and I don't, as I disparage it. We're humans and should value each other for what's inside, not what's behind us. I think that might be where we can come together, the past is written, it's the future which matters and if you go forwards believing you can't, you won't. It's the step of faith Churches go on about, self-belief and working from the ground up.
2. Better yet, feel it and make it as much your hurt as you can, it'll never match the pain of those who suffer every day. In my case, it's family: my aunt by marriage was Yvonne Ruddock's aunt by blood.
3. I do, I do.
4. Indeed, humility is where it starts from.
5. I spent about a month this summer putting a project together to get rowing into London's sink estates, Downham, Thamesmead, Broadwater Farm and Edmonton, to act as a core to build character and get some recognition and self-respect into those areas. It fell through when the upper class backers wouldn't put up as they said they would, didn't have the hurt: they were starting from the top down and, lacking foundations, shifted. If anyone has the interest?

Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 08 Dec 14 - 09:33 AM

Rowing? FFS Rahere, how out of touch can you be? Whatever next? Fencing? Real Tennis? Polo?

Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop
From: wysiwyg
Date: 08 Dec 14 - 10:21 AM

No, wait a minute RB. Let's not turn this thread into the usual pissing contest between white folks. Rahere is at specific ,today-only point on a continuum of growing past racism, we all are. Sometimes it's better to encourage people forward rather than entomb them under invective-- no one makes real progress on one's self that way. Let me have time to understand what was posted, and respond, OK? This is a thread about Black lives lost, let's keep it on track. Pretty please.

~S~

Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop
From: wysiwyg
Date: 08 Dec 14 - 08:44 PM

Rahere, there is much I agree with from a US perspective, in your post-- I'll just start by making those I agree with boldface. I'm adding a little open space between your points.

1. Understand your privilege.
2. Listen and do your homework.
3. Speak up, not over   
4. You'll make mistakes, apologize when you do.
5. Ally is a verb -- saying you're an ally is not enough.

We must each speak for ourselves: here are my answers

1. I do - and I don't, as I disparage it. We're humans and should value each other for what's inside, not what's behind us. I think that might be where we can come together, the past is written, it's the future which matters and if you go forwards believing you can't, you won't. It's the step of faith Churches go on about, self-belief and working from the ground up.

2. Better yet, feel it and make it as much your hurt as you can, it'll never match the pain of those who suffer every day. In my case, it's family: my aunt by marriage was Yvonne Ruddock's aunt by blood.

3. I do, I do.

4. Indeed, humility is where it starts from.

5. I spent about a month this summer putting a project together to get rowing into London's sink estates, Downham, Thamesmead, Broadwater Farm and Edmonton, to act as a core to build character and get some recognition and self-respect into those areas. It fell through when the upper class backers wouldn't put up as they said they would, didn't have the hurt: they were starting from the top down and, lacking foundations, shifted. If anyone has the interest?


Where I see things a little differently:

1. White folks already think they know how Black folks "should" think and perceive. In the US, to stay on that course eliminates any relationship beyond the superficial, if even that much is possible. Our whole system is based upon Black equating to "can't." To encourage Black folks past that is only feasible when one first honors their views about reality where, as you point out, each must speak for oneself. The Black "oneself" in the US cries out to be heard and not evaluated. Empathy more than information. Listening more than assuming one can even start to understand. Listening quietly and then mulling over what has been heard.

2. What is asked in the US is exactly what the blogger emphasized: LISTENING. If one then ALSO finds one's empathy engaged, so much the better, but IN THE U.S., the legacy is such that insisting that one can empathize in parallel, again, eliminates relationship. This is because here, insistence equates to power-- misused yet another time.

No idea what this means: "my aunt by marriage was Yvonne Ruddock's aunt by blood."

3. I just want to learn more here. It's a tantalizing possibility to me that any white person could do this really, really well; that one's default setting could really be this, and that people of color would agree that it is genuine. So I have to ask, how is this possible? What is in your personal history that leads you to be able to do this? Is it not part of UK conditioning to 'speak over', as it is in the US? I will say that UK Blacks seem to lack an edge of... self-abuse that is part of the legacy here. Does that lead to less "trumping" by whites, over there? If it does, I envy you all even more.

4. Amen, and your open spirit did lead me to spend this time exploring your thoughts.

5. This whole section is Greek to me. It's so NOT my culture, I'd love to know more.

~Susan

Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Dec 14 - 09:44 PM

White Florida deputy shoots black man who witnesses say had hands up
Reuters
By Barbara Liston 1 hour ago 8 Dec 2014

ORLANDO, Fla. (Reuters) - A Florida sheriff called for calm after a 28-year-old unarmed black man in a stolen car was shot and critically wounded early on Monday by a white officer, after witness reports that the man had his hands up and amid racially charged protests nationwide about police violence.

http://news.yahoo.com/white-florida-deputy-shoots-black-man-witnesses-had-004052289.html

Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop
From: wysiwyg
Date: 08 Dec 14 - 10:49 PM

Sigh....

Information about large numbers of Black women is coming out now. I haven't seen names yet.

~S~

Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 09 Dec 14 - 04:03 AM

About Yvonne Ruddock's death

I am I hope in tune with the 5 ally points.

My point about rowing in inner-city deprived and largely black estates is that rowing is a sport in England dominated by Oxford, Cambridge, Eton and Millfield. Wanting Afrikan youth to participate is surely contrary to points 1 and 3. It would be part of a make-over of Afrikan youth in the style of the most privileged Oyinbo.

Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop
From: GUEST,sawzaw
Date: 09 Dec 14 - 09:17 AM

More than 100 people protest at the Orange County Courthouse. The group, who said they are seeking Justice for James Whitehead - an Orange man fatally shot by an off-duty police officer in July - is angry that the officer was not indicted by a grand jury. The protesters blame Orange County District Attorney John Kimbrough, claiming he did not present a fair case to grand jurors...........

More here

Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop
From: wysiwyg
Date: 09 Dec 14 - 11:04 AM

Thanks sawzaw.

A friend of mine leads a justice-oriented nonprofit in Rochester, torn by 'riots' in the 60's and still trying to heal. Steve blogs from his years' work in building alliances that last, across the color line, at the Rochester Democrat and Chronicle which has taken on giving those healing efforts a diverse voice.

His words of this last few weeks are apt for recent posts' themes:

American history is more one sided than textbooks would have us believe. It takes humility to go deep, learn the truth, and grieve for all that [our people] have done. When we acknowledge our painful past we are better able to heal, make restitution and adjust the scale of justice toward equity.

I had a relaxing chat with my white friends in our suburban neighborhood recently. We shared updates about our European Heritage families, new Caucasian restaurants we'd like to try, and the latest student achievements in our Anglo school districts. Come to think of it, most of our close friends are white, too. We didn't speak of color. We didn't even think about it. We didn't have to.

We're proud to say we don't see color and that our Caucasian children are totally color blind. To truly see color would be an inconvenience, an impediment to our comfortable lives. We pretend that color is irrelevant.

So when I attended a local rally to protest police profiling in Ferguson, Cleveland and New York City, I was somewhat confused by the signs reading 'Black Lives Matter.' White lives matter, too, I silently protested. All lives matter.

Then it hit me. Everything in my world tells me that white lives matter. If Black lives mattered, I'd do something about the inequity between failing city schools and my white privileged suburban schools. I'd look for ways to reduce disproportionate employment rates of people of color. I'd confront my family stereotypes. I'd take in the rich diversity of urban culture.

My behavior at the rally is no different from police practices I'm here to protest. No one gets killed, yet my behavior impacts the lives of those I'm here to support. The point is BLACK LIVES MATTER.

And the death toll among Black women killed by white police is enumerated with links to details HERE, as SPEAK NAMES, KNOW STORIES.

The names and any details I have so far are:

Adaisha Miller, Detroit Woman, Hugged Cop From Behind

LAPD cop charged with assault in death of Alesia Thomas

7-year- old Aiyana Stanley-Jones – Detroit Free Press

17 Year Old Darnesha Harris Dead after Run-In with Breaux

Mackala Ross and Delores Epps

Eleanor Bumpurs

Erica Collins family files lawsuit against Cincy Police

Jacqueline Culp

Karen Day

Kendra James remembered at Portland rally | KOIN.com

Laporsha Watson

Malissa Williams

Elderly Woman Shot & Killed By Hearne Police Officer (Pearlie Golden)

Rekia Boyd Settlement: Family Of Unarmed Chicago Woman

Former Pa. trooper pleads guilty in fatal accident (Robin T. Williams)

Shantel Davis Killed By NYPD Cop In Car Chase | News One

Friends: Woman killed by police was nonviolent | Las Vegas (Sharmel Edwards)

Suspected Walmart Shoplifter Shot To Death In Front Of Kids (Shelly Frey)

The NYPD's Poor Judgment With the Mentally Ill | Village Voice (Shereese Francis)

Harrisburg woman identified as victim in police SUV crash (Shulena S. Weldon)

No Charges in Killing of Tyisha Miller – Los Angeles Times

Texas Police Admit Officer Shot & Killed Unarmed Woman (Yvette Smith)

Where is the Outrage in the Police Killing of Tanesha Anderson? (Tanesha Anderson)

Judge drops involuntary manslaughter in Aiyana shooting (Aiyana Stanley Jones)

New Brunswick man charged in 20-year-old murder case | NJ.com (Carolyn "Sissy Adams" Adams)

I'll Be Remembering Eula Love's Death (Eula Love)

Cooley's Office Declines to Charge Officer in Mitchell Shooting (Margaret Mitchell)

Aura Rosser: Police Kill Mich. Woman After Responding To Domestic Violence Call

Mourners remember Phoenix woman killed in police shooting (Michelle Cusseaux)

Ex-Atlanta officers get prison time for cover-up in deadly raid (Kathryn Johnston)

Atlanta police officer accused of killing woman he met on Craigslist (Vernicia Woodard)

Anna Brown: 29-year-old Black Woman Dies in Jail After Being Dragged By Police Out of Hospital

~S~

Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 09 Dec 14 - 09:00 PM

http://cms.fightforthefuture.org/illinois-just-made-it-felony-film-cops/

Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 09 Dec 14 - 09:21 PM

I'm not clear what "speak up, not over" means here.

It seems to imply they are alternatives, or have much to do with each other. Speaking up is about refusing to be silent in the face of stuff like racism, and too few of us do that, speaking over is about being discourteous when someone else is speaking and it happens too often in all kinds of contexts.

Rowing? Well there are an awful lot of rowing machines in body building gymnasium settings. It'd make a lot of sense to make it possible for kids who've built up the strength and skills that way to try them out with real boats, and show what they could do.

Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Dec 14 - 12:16 AM

The technique of infamy is to invent two lies and get people to argue over which one is true.

It's absurd to suggest that Darren Wilson is a racist. Any white person who robbed a store, assaulted the clerk, slugged a cop, tried to take his gun, then ran away, and then turned back and charged the cop would have been shot repeatedly until he fell and stopped moving.

But it's equally absurd to suggest that we're not a racist culture, or that life isn't a great deal harder here for people of color, or that the incidence of shootings of young black men isn't a national disgrace, or that we white Americans aren't collectively guilty of turning a blind eye to all that. We should do whatever it takes, and spare no expense, to create a culture in which black youth aren't prone to find themselves in the position that Michael Brown was in.

Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 10 Dec 14 - 01:04 AM

Sometimes the police are justified...sometimes not..but before you all reach some popular mindset, one should look at each individual case(if you REALLY care to), and not lump all of them into some racist conspiracy.....but I guess if you're bored, and want to 're-live- the good ol' days', and want to pretend to give a shit...at least be fair.

GfS

Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Dec 14 - 09:38 AM

Maryland used have the KKK but after two years of a black musician writing a book having talks with the leader of the KKK and his body guard, both KKK leaders quit and the clan disbanded..

Hate isn't even skin deep.
Its fear that can creep.

Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Dec 14 - 09:44 AM

Despite your heart-warming story, Donuel, there are plenty of other Klaverns out there still doing business as usual and a plethora of white supremecist groups. You may care to visit the Southern Poverty Law Center website for a reality check.

Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Dec 14 - 09:59 AM

By the way, Donuel, have you a reference for your heart-warming story? All I was able to find was:

One of the best examples of the closeness between the National Socialist Movement and Klan groups occurred in late November 2006, when the Maryland-based World Knights of the KKK disbanded due to factional infighting. Its leader, Gordon Young, took his followers into the NSM and became its Maryland state leader.

From Here

Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 10 Dec 14 - 11:51 AM

Thanks Donuel.....music CAN change people, and influence politics....my, do you think music can be more powerful than bullshit politics?....Beethoven's music has already outlasted SEVERAL radical political changes and regimes, and forms of government in Austria and Germany.....meanwhile, back at the Mudcat peanut gallery, factions, trying to divvy up the hate and discontent along bogus political folly, are completely ignoring the power we, as musicians, can REALLY do!.... but N-o-o-oooo....you'd give your abilities over to party bosses, who tell you what to think and say.......

Hurray for creativity!.....only on here, creativity begins and ends with trying to be mentally blocked...and therefore STUPID!

GfS

Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Dec 14 - 12:00 PM

Say good-night, Goofus.

Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 10 Dec 14 - 12:20 PM

Brown, albeit a nasty thug, was not "charging" Wilson when shot to death. He was staggering slowly, with several bullet hole in him, and bleeding. Check the sound tapes and the timings.

Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 10 Dec 14 - 01:23 PM

Greg F: "Say good-night, Goofus."

Why??...You're already asleep!


GfS

Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 10 Dec 14 - 01:53 PM

"Any white person who robbed a store, assaulted the clerk, slugged a cop, tried to take his gun, then ran away, and then turned back and charged the cop would have been shot repeatedly until he fell and stopped moving."

Even though the U.S. is widely known to be very uncivilised in its treatment of offenders, I never realised that the Death Penalty without trial applies to robbery or resisting arrest.

Thank God I live in a civilised country.

Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop
From: wysiwyg
Date: 10 Dec 14 - 02:34 PM

RE- Even though the U.S. is widely known to be very uncivilised in its treatment of offenders, I never realised that the Death Penalty without trial applies to robbery or resisting arrest.....

Statistics are clear that this applies disproportionately only to People of the Global Majority (AKA in USspeak the Darker Nation).

~S~

Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Dec 14 - 05:03 PM

Death penalty without trial is usually reserved for foreigners, like Osama Bin Laden, and wedding parties in Afghanistan and journalists in Iraq. It's occasionally used on Americans, like the people in the Move On project in Philadelphia, or the Branch Davidians in Waco, Texas, but much less often. In either case it has to be authorized by someone high up in the federal government, cabinet level or above. An individual cop can't do it.

But cops can shoot if it's the only way to protect themselves or prevent other people from being killed. Everyone knows this, so when it happens it's either a case of suicide by police, which we have a lot of, or just plain old Darwinian elimination of the mentally less fit.

I personally have known two people who fought with cops, both of them white, and both of them violent-natured idiots. One was no real threat so he just got his butt kicked. The other was a professional boxer, who was able to inflict some damage. His face afterward was hard to look at.

Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop
From: GUEST,Troubadour
Date: 10 Dec 14 - 06:20 PM

"It's not the colour which matters, but the racism, and collecting your data according to the wrong criterion lets those really responsible off the hook."

With all due respect Rahere, it most definitely IS the colour which matters, if, as we see in the USA, the crime is predominantly White on Black.

I believe the ratio, based on the last year or so, is more than 14 Black deaths for every 1 White death.

COLOUR therefore MATTERS,................GREATLY!

Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 10 Dec 14 - 11:58 PM

Hey Troubadour, just like those feeding the biases, you say, "With all due respect Rahere, it most definitely IS the colour which matters, if, as we see in the USA, the crime is predominantly White on Black." is a false and intentionally misleading statement...you should correct it, or get clued in...most black homicides in the USA, are blacks on blacks.....and that IS a fact...look it up...do your homework, before trying to fan the fires of bigotry and racism.

GfS

Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 11 Dec 14 - 02:57 AM

Duh, goofball - the vast majority of murder by cop in the USA is white kills black. Face up to it.

Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 11 Dec 14 - 03:45 AM

How come you aren't concerned with black on black crimes?????
Somebody ends up dead.....and the number is far greater, than white cop on black!!.....That is IF you are actually 'concerned' at all......other than something to beat your gums about!


GfS

Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 11 Dec 14 - 05:00 AM

How stupid are you? It's the use of force by the state against citizens. The discrimination by the state against citizens.

As for the rest of US gun crime, if you started taking guns out of circulation that gun crime would fall - but you're too scared (or supportive) of the NRA and the make-believe military communities to do that.

Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop
From: wysiwyg
Date: 11 Dec 14 - 07:07 AM

One of the biggest mechanisms inhibiting the ending of Sytemic Racism is the divisiveness amongst White folks who, when they successfully resist the conditioning to engage in what Mudcatters call 'pissing contests,' can find commonalities of self-interest making possible large, effective social movements.

'White privilege' is a term used to describe the power vested in white society. If white folks have all that power we certainly *could* use it to stop Systemic Racism-- if only those pissing contests didn't seem like so much fun.

~S~

Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop
From: Greg F.
Date: 11 Dec 14 - 08:45 AM

Friendly, Liberal, Neighborhood KKK

Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop
From: Greg F.
Date: 11 Dec 14 - 09:01 AM

U.S. Racist?? NAAAAAH.

Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 12 Dec 14 - 12:43 AM

Richard Bridge: "As for the rest of US gun crime, if you started taking guns out of circulation that gun crime would fall - but you're too scared (or supportive) of the NRA and the make-believe military communities to do that."

Blaming guns???...That's like Rosie O'Donnell blaming her spoon for being so fat.


GfS

Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Dec 14 - 12:50 AM

No, not even close, Gust. As usual.

Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 12 Dec 14 - 08:55 PM

"Any white person who robbed a store, assaulted the clerk, slugged a cop, tried to take his gun, then ran away, and then turned back and charged the cop would have been shot repeatedly until he fell and stopped moving."

Not in the country I live in. Even assuming those are the actual facts of the case, which is disputed, and appear to rest primarily on the assertions of Mr Wilson.

If American cops killed unarmed civilians on an equal opportunities basis that would in some ways be a step forward. But not all that much forward.

Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop
From: wysiwyg
Date: 13 Dec 14 - 11:24 AM

GOOD NEWS

Police oversight bill headed to Obama:

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/226732-senate-sends-police-oversight-bill-to-obama

~S~
 

Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Dec 14 - 11:30 AM

McGrath, thank you for reminding us that England has strict gun control laws, so that policeman have nothing more dangerous to deal with than drunken football fans. Now, do you have anything to say relevant to the topic of this thread?

Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Dec 14 - 11:49 AM

Here, I'll repeat myself, as to addressing the foolishness of the knee-jerk re-actions, which you were supposed to be, by design, having!

Oh goodie...we're federalizing our police......idiots!

GfS

Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop
From: Don Firth
Date: 13 Dec 14 - 03:45 PM

NOT "federalizing!" Government oversight and investigation of local police forces whenever someone in police custody dies.

That's not the same as "federalization."

Don Firth

Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop
From: GUEST,sawzaw
Date: 14 Dec 14 - 08:20 AM

What do we want? Dead cops! When do we want it? Now!

Campbell beat up an armed guard outside the store and stole his gun. While he was waiting for police to arrive, Campbell apologized to a woman in the store for his conduct, but explained that she should watch the news because he was going to be famous.

Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop
From: wysiwyg
Date: 14 Dec 14 - 10:30 AM

Stephon Watson: "He was autistic and had a kitchen knife in his hand. Instead of trying to disarm him police shot him and killed him dead. The officer had a cut
on his arm and feared for his life so ach officer shot one time. One
bullet hit the leg and the other in the boy's head..

~S~

Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop
From: Greg F.
Date: 14 Dec 14 - 11:08 AM

"Federalizing"- please.

Anybody remember Reconstruction and the 1950's/60's when the Federal Gov't had to intervene to protect constitutional rights because the States couldn't be bothered to do it?

Its just deja vu all over again.

The U.S. sure has come a long way from 1875, hasn't it?.

Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop
From: wysiwyg
Date: 14 Dec 14 - 02:51 PM

Perhaps we can agree to keep this thread focused on Black lives lost and troll/react elsewhere.....

People would be more than welcome to look up and post the story for any of the many lives now listed upthread, for example. AFAIK that resource has not been compiled anywhere else online.

~S~

Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop
From: Greg F.
Date: 14 Dec 14 - 04:32 PM

If that's directed at me, Susan, I'll be more than happy to step out. Sorry to bring up the long history of institutionalized racism in the U.S. which is obviopusly very much with us toady.

Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 14 Dec 14 - 05:15 PM

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-courts/third-ohio-man-wrongly-accused-1975-murder-exonerated-n264821

Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 15 Dec 14 - 01:09 PM

Greg F.
"Federalizing"- please"

Yes!..They start with giving 'grants' to local police departments, then dictate to them, as to what to 'enforce'...or lose the grants...THEN...make a bigger burden on them by not enforcing THEIR jurisdiction..like enforcing our borders!!!...Which to distract people from, they blow up the racial issues!!!

"Anybody remember Reconstruction and the 1950's/60's when the Federal Gov't had to intervene to protect constitutional rights because the States couldn't be bothered to do it?"

Nonsense! They are moving us into a global government, run by the bankers..not 'by the people'!!.....Get used to it....and BTW, the political parties are owned lock stock and barrel by the bankers, and multinational corporate heads. Our 'votes' don't mean shit...if they did, they'd take that away, too!!~~~ (Apologies to Mark Twain, for the paraphrase).

GfS


An, P.S......Don't you just love it when WHITE Anglos, who play mostly WHITE folk music, with their WHITE friends, converse with other only WHITE 'so-called liberal' WHITE folk singers, about the bias against blacks???...and go so far as blaming ALL white cops for being ready to shoot 'innocent' black people, for no reason...other than being black???!!!
Oh my!...such true 'concern'.....it worked during the '60's, when there were real issues with segregation....now instead of 'growing up', the whiners just figure that white on black shootings is equal to the REAL struggle of blacks....and ignore the far greater number of black on black homicides!!!!!!!

Greg F: "The U.S. sure has come a long way from 1875, hasn't it?."

Can't say as much for the political hack, nut-jobs....keep up!

Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop
From: wysiwyg
Date: 15 Dec 14 - 01:10 PM

Greg F, it was a general comment suggesting I could use a hand with the main thrust of the thread I started, as it has grown into an ever-growing necrology/memorial of stories about precious lives lost.

RB, thanks so much.

~S~

Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop
From: GUEST,Rahere
Date: 16 Dec 14 - 10:38 AM

Just to keep things balanced

Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop
From: wysiwyg
Date: 16 Dec 14 - 02:40 PM

Rahere, our parallel charge in the US would be 'depraved indifference.' I like your better. It seems much more provable.

.....

Dunno if I already posted this:
http://gawker.com/unarmed-people-of-color-killed-by-police-1999-2014-1666672349

~S~