BS: irresponsible hunter I am so pissed

Subject: BS: irresponsible hunter I am so pissed
From: olddude
Date: 23 Oct 14 - 11:55 AM

I watched this little deer grow to a beautiful 9 point buck. He lives on my property. Every night outside my back yard. I do not feed him. Just watched him grow. My neighbor and I found him alive down on the ground with an arrow in his gut. The coyotes tore up his legs. He was alive and suffering. I called the cops and put him down with my .44

I have lots of friends who bow hunt. they never shoot unless it is a sure kill shot .. how terrible and whoever did this was hunting on private land.

I am so pissed

Subject: RE: BS: irresponsible hunter I am so pissed
From: olddude
Date: 23 Oct 14 - 11:56 AM

even the meat was shot as it was torn to hell by the coyotes ... I am really upset. He was a 200 pound whitetail

Subject: RE: BS: irresponsible hunter I am so pissed
From: Wesley S
Date: 23 Oct 14 - 12:09 PM

Bastard. It's one thing to shoot him - something else not to finish him off. Is this considered poaching? Any way to catch whoever did it?

Subject: RE: BS: irresponsible hunter I am so pissed
From: GUEST,#
Date: 23 Oct 14 - 12:15 PM

There are people who should not be allowed out unsupervised, and inevitably someone else has to clean up their mistakes.

Subject: RE: BS: irresponsible hunter I am so pissed
From: olddude
Date: 23 Oct 14 - 12:19 PM

its a small town someone will brag about hitting a big buck that got away. Then I will file trespass charges. No one should be hunting there and I am in the village which has no hunting laws of anytype even in bow season.

I will find him. He shot that deer on my property. that deer lived in town he never left the area and it is all off limits

Subject: RE: BS: irresponsible hunter I am so pissed
From: GUEST,#
Date: 23 Oct 14 - 12:24 PM

Good for you, Dan.

Subject: RE: BS: irresponsible hunter I am so pissed
From: Jack Campin
Date: 23 Oct 14 - 12:27 PM

Normal behaviour for an American with a gun.

Guns are a necessity for survival on the frontier, dontcha know.

Subject: RE: BS: irresponsible hunter I am so pissed
From: olddude
Date: 23 Oct 14 - 12:32 PM

It was an arrow Jack read my opening statement. This is bow season not gun season. I put him down after permisson from the police

Subject: RE: BS: irresponsible hunter I am so pissed
From: Wesley S
Date: 23 Oct 14 - 12:35 PM

I'd be so tempted to just dump the remains on the "hunters" doorstep.

Subject: RE: BS: irresponsible hunter I am so pissed
From: olddude
Date: 23 Oct 14 - 12:41 PM

Amen Wes

Subject: RE: BS: irresponsible hunter I am so pissed
From: olddude
Date: 23 Oct 14 - 12:43 PM

He made a terrible long shot also seeing where the arrow hit and the depth. And what sport, the damn thing lived behind houses it was half tame. What a sportsmen right. #@#;@

Subject: RE: BS: irresponsible hunter I am so pissed
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Oct 14 - 12:45 PM

fingerprints off the arrow ?

Subject: RE: BS: irresponsible hunter I am so pissed
From: gnu
Date: 23 Oct 14 - 12:48 PM

A gutshot can, and does, happen, even to experienced hunters using a firearm. I won't get into the technical aspects of how it can happen BUT anyone that doesn't stay on the trail until the point of exhaustion needs an arrow up their ass. Even worse is the possibility that this person decided to give up because they might have been caught hunting illegally and that is sheer cowardice of the vilest order.

Dan. I am so sorry this happened. I found one that the yotes got. It had obviously been (rifle) shot just below the left front shoulder away from where I found it. Again, no need for details... I am sure Dan and other hunters know what I am talking about. Makes ya sick to your stomach and I know it was far worse for you, Dan.

I dunno about where you live, Dan, but all hunters here are required to pass courses for rifle and for bow if they wish to bow hunt. Even that will never stop all gutshots and the like but I am sure it will help minimize them.

Subject: RE: BS: irresponsible hunter I am so pissed
From: olddude
Date: 23 Oct 14 - 12:55 PM

This was done by a bow hunter. He took an irresponsible long shot with an arrow and just messed up the deer. And he did not follow it to try and bring it down. No tracks ... There are lots of skilled bow hunters but this guy is not one of them.

Subject: RE: BS: irresponsible hunter I am so pissed
From: gnu
Date: 23 Oct 14 - 01:18 PM

Well, it could have been a long shot or it could have been a jump shot but I also suspect it was a long shot that caused a jump shot, Dan. If the hunter doesn't know his bow draw weight, arrow weight, string weight and such as they apply to speed and energy, it's probably (99%+) a valid assumption. Sigh... assholes give hunting a bad name.

Subject: RE: BS: irresponsible hunter I am so pissed
From: Mrrzy
Date: 23 Oct 14 - 01:30 PM

That bites. Seriously.

Subject: RE: BS: irresponsible hunter I am so pissed
From: Rapparee
Date: 23 Oct 14 - 01:40 PM

Please don't call this fool an asshole. Assholes have an important function. This...person...does not.

Subject: RE: BS: irresponsible hunter I am so pissed
From: Musket
Date: 23 Oct 14 - 01:43 PM

And then there are those who reckon hunting gives hunting a bad name...

Subject: RE: BS: irresponsible hunter I am so pissed
From: olddude
Date: 23 Oct 14 - 02:03 PM

I have no idea what it is like in england. Only the king can hunt maybe. But here every deer was a hundred plus pounds of meat we didn't have to buy growing up. One thing you never did was wound an animal. Thank would get your dad taking your license from you.

Subject: RE: BS: irresponsible hunter I am so pissed
From: olddude
Date: 23 Oct 14 - 02:11 PM

Not to mention you really have no forest of any kind
Have to go to a park to see a tree

Subject: RE: BS: irresponsible hunter I am so pissed
From: GUEST,Ed
Date: 23 Oct 14 - 02:21 PM

you really have no forest of any kind We sort of do... Mind you, it only confirms your comment that I have no idea what it is like in england. Correct!

By the way, we don't have a King either.

Subject: RE: BS: irresponsible hunter I am so pissed
From: olddude
Date: 23 Oct 14 - 02:35 PM

Well I have 26 miles of virgin forest directly behind my childhood home in PA and everyone can hunt with a license

Subject: RE: BS: irresponsible hunter I am so pissed
From: olddude
Date: 23 Oct 14 - 02:46 PM

If want to kindly stop insulting my way of life I will do the same for you

Subject: RE: BS: irresponsible hunter I am so pissed
From: GUEST,sciencegeek
Date: 23 Oct 14 - 02:55 PM

I never wanted to post our land, but as more and more large tracts get sold off there seems to be more problems with trespassers and I don't want my neighbors and folks who have permission to hunt to be endangered. And that is what can happen when folks disregard curtesy, rules and the law.

I work for our state conservation department and the conservation officers set up "stings" with dummy deer to help them catch the bozos out there. And we still have hunters hurt or even killed by carelessness.

Being a lousy shot, I raise or buy my meat... or get some from friends who are good hunters. All preferable to car/deer collisions.

Subject: RE: BS: irresponsible hunter I am so pissed
From: Wesley S
Date: 23 Oct 14 - 02:56 PM

""By the way, we don't have a King either."

No - y'all elected your queen several decades ago right? Do you vote for her or the opposition party? Not sure how that works over there......

Does she get First Night rights still?

Subject: RE: BS: irresponsible hunter I am so pissed
From: GUEST,#
Date: 23 Oct 14 - 03:12 PM

Dan, there will always be people who get their meat from slaughterhouses and supermarkets. Here, people like you have a sense of moral responsibility and 'stewardship' when it comes to filling the larder. Overhunt deer and a few years down the road it's gonna be lean times. Under-hunt and a few years down the road the population will eat itself into starvation and the times will be leaner yet. I hope you drag this guy's ass into court, or with luck maybe the police could do that instead. Anyway, don't let it get you down.

Subject: RE: BS: irresponsible hunter I am so pissed
From: olddude
Date: 23 Oct 14 - 04:08 PM

Thank you my brother

Subject: RE: BS: irresponsible hunter I am so pissed
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 23 Oct 14 - 04:30 PM

Is there any other sort? Nobody in the first world needs to hunt meat. They only hunt for the "sport". Give the deer a Kalashnikov and the ability to use it - then it becomes an even handed game and maybe the deer will join in for the "sport".

Subject: RE: BS: irresponsible hunter I am so pissed
From: olddude
Date: 23 Oct 14 - 04:33 PM

Richard fuck you.. No one gives a shit what you say

Subject: RE: BS: irresponsible hunter I am so pissed
From: Jeri
Date: 23 Oct 14 - 04:52 PM

If you want to change the subject to be about one of your pet subjects, start another thread. I know it's difficult for some of you, but please try.

Subject: RE: BS: irresponsible hunter I am so pissed
From: olddude
Date: 23 Oct 14 - 05:08 PM

thank you jeri

Subject: RE: BS: irresponsible hunter I am so pissed
From: olddude
Date: 23 Oct 14 - 05:10 PM

Well I will miss my big deer, I watch him grow up ... sucks

Subject: RE: BS: irresponsible hunter I am so pissed
From: olddude
Date: 23 Oct 14 - 05:15 PM

The cop asked me if he could have the antlers. I said go ahead I can't stand looking at them. He will use them hunting. You rattle antlers to call in a dominate buck. We took the deer to the back side of my land. There is a bobcat with kittens out there. I hope she gets it before the coyotes do. All goes back to the land.

Subject: RE: BS: irresponsible hunter I am so pissed
From: olddude
Date: 23 Oct 14 - 05:24 PM

and I no longer hunt. My wife doesn't like deer meat and I gave away the last two I got so now I just fish

Subject: RE: BS: irresponsible hunter I am so pissed
From: GUEST,achmelvich
Date: 23 Oct 14 - 05:34 PM

sorry you yanks. it is just wrong to kill another animal for sport. we have your sort over here too and they also have no clue about what is worthwhile about life. they just get some perverted kick on wearing tweed, paying thousands and blasting away at any creatures in their sights. i would love to see wolves reintroduced and - here i am the hypocrite- us all giving up meat for the sake of the environment.
and by the way, princes do it too - harry and some mate illegally shooting very rare hen harriers a few years back.
and don't call it 'a way of life' . it's just a hobby. mindless slaughter, but just a hobby.

Subject: RE: BS: irresponsible hunter I am so pissed
From: olddude
Date: 23 Oct 14 - 05:54 PM

We have those types also. However, if you grew up where I did it was about the meat and still is. You tell people up in the mountains that they hunt for sport, I won't tell you how they will respond. There are a lot of city dudes that fit what you describe. None that I know do

Subject: RE: BS: irresponsible hunter I am so pissed
From: olddude
Date: 23 Oct 14 - 06:01 PM

replace the word sport with respect, because that is what a real hunter does. respectful of the animal non of this wounding it shit. Like I said my dad would tear up your license and you would not go out again with him. Nobody hunts a hald tame deer if you have respect .. that is just bullshit. This area is swarming with huge deer, miles of grapes, apple orchards, berry farms, pears, peaches, corn. He could have hunted anywhere and got a big buck. Instead the fucker hunts in back of houses for a half tame deer

Subject: RE: BS: irresponsible hunter I am so pissed
From: olddude
Date: 23 Oct 14 - 06:08 PM

I love how the british love to point fingers at other cultures they know absolutely nothing about .. less than nothing. You live in a glass house yourself and have lots of people who can point right back at ya but you are way too blind and self rightous to see it. Most however are too polite to call you on it. Again you want to insult you will get it right back because no yank gives a flying fuck what you think.

Subject: RE: BS: irresponsible hunter I am so pissed
From: Wesley S
Date: 23 Oct 14 - 07:41 PM

"I love how the british love to point fingers at other cultures they know absolutely nothing about .."

But think about it - The British have such a great track record of treating other cultures with respect. They did it here, in India - all over the world......

I don't hunt. But many of my friends do. To a man they eat what they kill. I just had some delicious rhino last week. Tasted like Bald Eagle.....

Subject: RE: BS: irresponsible hunter I am so pissed
From: GUEST,Stim
Date: 23 Oct 14 - 09:57 PM

It may break your heart to see an animal shot down in the wild, but it turns your stomach to see what is done in the meat packing plants.

Subject: RE: BS: irresponsible hunter I am so pissed
From: Rapparee
Date: 23 Oct 14 - 10:04 PM

I was taught that if you kill it you clean it and eat it.

I was once in a line with two others, walking through a cornfield on a nippy November day. Suddenly we were attacked by a vicious, rabid, cow patty -- a fairly fresh one! Yes! A fresh Meadow Muffin! I whipped up my single-shot 12 gauge shotgun and put a load of #6 shot into it! Never do this -- you don't get any on you, but it spatters in a V shape onto the people on your right and left (in this case, Jim and Steve respectively). Fortunately for me they forget the "You shoot it, you eat it" rule. My ancestry, personal hygience, morals or lack thereof, and probably place in the afterlife were thoroughly discussed, however.

It's hard for urbanized folks to realize that there are still people who hunt for food. Many I know, including the pastor the local Catholic parish, do. And they will turn in a poacher or trespasser or someone like the person (if I can use that noun) who trespassed on Olddude.

Subject: RE: BS: irresponsible hunter I am so pissed
From: Bert
Date: 23 Oct 14 - 10:30 PM

...Nobody in the first world needs to hunt meat...

You are showing your ignorance here. Many families need to supply their larder with hunted meat. Many hunters share their kill with those who need supplement their diet.

Please learn to investigate the situation before you spout such nonsense.

Olddude is 100% correct in condemning those who maim an animal and do not finish off the job.

If you eat meat you should also be capable of taking the responsibility of slaughtering the animal and butchering it. That is a lesson that I learned from my Dad in England during WWII, when people kept chickens and rabbits in their back yards to supplement their rations.

I don't think that there has been a year gone by since I have been in The States when I have not been grateful for donated venison, elk, fish or even road kill to fill my freezer.

Subject: RE: BS: irresponsible hunter I am so pissed
From: Ebbie
Date: 23 Oct 14 - 10:57 PM

Dan, that sucks. It occurs to me that the 'hunter' may be someone who lives in your neighborhood. It seems likely he knew about the tame-ish buck. I hope he or she is caught.

The last couple of weeks local police have reported that someone has been dumping freshly killed deer and ducks alongside the road. Just this week they have cited two Coast Guardsmen for it; in Alaska the law requires one to remove the edible parts- and those idiots did not. They did take the antlers though.

They say it is possible that the Coasties didn't know local law, but that seems a poor excuse for it. They will be prosecuted.

As for hunting one's own food, eating antibiotic and steroid-free meat makes more sense to me than the pumped-full stuff at the grocers.

Subject: RE: BS: irresponsible hunter I am so pissed
From: olddude
Date: 23 Oct 14 - 11:03 PM

For sure and Bert is absolutely correct. Growing up if you wounded an animal you tracked it until you finish it. If it took all night so be it. My old man was very strict about it and so was all the hunters in the town. You really made your shots count and you practiced before season

Subject: RE: BS: irresponsible hunter I am so pissed
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Oct 14 - 11:05 PM

What's the chances it was a stupid local kid sneaking out Dad's bow ?

Subject: RE: BS: irresponsible hunter I am so pissed
From: olddude
Date: 23 Oct 14 - 11:13 PM

I would have taken the meat if it wasn't chewe to hell by ccoyotes. Poor thing it was alive during that
We had cases of rabies here from them. The meat was no good

Subject: RE: BS: irresponsible hunter I am so pissed
From: olddude
Date: 23 Oct 14 - 11:16 PM

Any thing is possible. I was also thinking he may have wondered off chasing doe and it wasn't done on my property. Still he should have tracked it.

Subject: RE: BS: irresponsible hunter I am so pissed
From: olddude
Date: 23 Oct 14 - 11:24 PM

I would shoot you Rap but yourtoo old and stringy to eat

Subject: RE: BS: irresponsible hunter I am so pissed
From: olddude
Date: 23 Oct 14 - 11:35 PM

Everyone picks on me but I heard raps cowboy boots are made from whale skin and he has seat covers of baby harp seals.. Anyway that'swwhat I heard

Subject: RE: BS: irresponsible hunter I am so pissed
From: Janie
Date: 24 Oct 14 - 12:24 AM

Does this thread really have to be hijacked by people who have no clue but many assumptions?

North American folks, suggest you/we ignore and forgive posts from those in the British Isles who can not be expected to know how different the geography and scale is between the British Isles and North America, or even Western Europe in addition to the British Isles. Not to mention the reliance on the land and the game that many people still depend on to keep their families fed in many parts of this vast continent.

Different sensibilities are to be expected, but please, also respect ours. Understand that our sensibilities when it comes to hunting is very different because our circumstances are very different.

Don't confuse Dan's stated positions regarding 'gun control" with which I vehemently disagree, with issues regarding hunting, food and respect for wildlife, etc. And if that last sentence doesn't make sense to you, I respectfully suggest that is a good indication that you really can not comprehend the difference. It is a difference not so much of culture but of geography and ecology. Not to say that culture is not a factor, but that culture, in these instances is significantly shaped by the realities of the geography and ecology. And the economy.

Richard, it may be true that in the UK no one needs to hunt game for anything other than sport. I don't know that is the case but I accept that is your perception. I have lived and worked as a social worker among poor populations in mixed regions that were predominantly rural in the southeast USA for more than 40 years. I can assure you there are many families south of the Mason-Dixon line (I don't pretend to speak about areas and regions in which I have not worked or lived) for whom the ability to hunt and eat and preserve, (mostly freezing or drying) white-tailed deer, squirrels, rabbits, groundhogs, and even the occasional possum, makes the difference between going hungry, or even malnurished. did I mention catfish, bream, bass caught from farm ponds?

Even if one has the means to buy meat at the grocery store, understand that for us meat eaters, another animal always dies that we may eat meat. How many of you have ever been in a chicken barn? A beef cattle farm? A farm where veal is raised for market? A slaughterhouse? A meat packaging plant? Buying meat in a grocery in a plastic wrapped, literally disembodied package allows one to avoid the reality of where that chicken leg or lamb chop originated. A living being.

If you are a meat eater (and I am) and think there is some moral superiority to buying packaged meat, be it fish, fowl or hooved when alive, from a grocery store where one can dissociate from the reality of first hand knowledge of the miserable lifespan that factory-raised animal had, compared to killing a live animal personally, skinning it yourself, gutting it and butchering it -thus confronting up close and in person that another sentient being has died so that you may partake of it's flesh, then you have another think coming, should you choose to take the opportunity to accept reality.

I am a meat eater, btw.